It is with great dismay that I read about Blacks in Africa squabbling amongst them. Why do we blacks always think that black on black crime is acceptable? The truth is: 85% of black crimes worldwide are between blacks themselves. It does not matter if a non black person is using another black person to perpetrate a crime. Let's be fair and not attempt to judge and criticize others. Remember the old Hindu adage, "Happy is the person who finds fault with himself instead of finding fault with others". Better yet, the Christian adage as seen in Matthew 7:1-5 “Do not judge, so that you may not be judged. For with the judgment you make you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. Why do you see the speck in your neighbor's eye, but do not notice the log in your own eye? Or how can you say to your neighbor, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,' while the log is in your own eye? You hypocrite; first address the rampant black on black crimes before you dwell on trivial white on black crimes. We must stop MUGABE from committing massacres on his fellow Africans, Black or White, and quite frankly, his victims are 99% black because of the demographics in the country. Mbeki must stop being a disgrace for Africans and quite frankly, he should step down. Remember, I am a black man, born and raised in Africa and don't they feel that they are more African than the rest of us.

I question the validity of this story. It also does not meet journalistic standards of disclosure. I was hoping allafrica would begin to reject authorless articles to promote greater transparent. Being open has killed African writers and why should we expect less from the Anglo Africa detractors? There is definitely something the authors of this authorless story want to hide. Since they are not saying who they are let me fill in the gaps. First, this is a typical Anglo propaganda in Southern Africa. And it seeks to undermine the democratic institutions of the region. It is usually a white Anglo writer, who want to define issues in the region, since they lack credibility in the broader Southern Africa region because of the racists views and past colonial ties.

This article assumes or rather pretend that Mugabe is the most hated person in Southern Africa, which is nonsense! How on earth do dock workers unloading cargo care if the weapons are destined for Zimbabwe?

Phiri, get a life! Actually, maybe you should go back to journalism school, and improve your skills so that you can make it as a reporter. Good luck!

Why didn't you go on strike last week? All you do is complain but cannot even go on strike to get your point accross - You want someone else to do your dirty work. Grow up idiot!

Phiri,

I would hope you are in Zimbabwe and when these weapons are unleashed to the masses you will be the first recepient of this present from China. Lets just assume you are correct that this is propaganda being used by the racist whites (by the way you sound more racist) why is the government of South Africa even bothering to make comments on it and why is it that a serious court of law in South Africa is scheduled to hear such "nonesense" as you so convincingly put it?

I would almost think that you have a hand in all this shinanigans old Phiri. Is it not enough what is happening on the ground in Zimbabwe for even a myopic person like yourself would see that Zimbabwe needs more resolve to end the current impasse before lives of hundreds of thousands of people are lost in the hands of your so-called African leader...

Why didn't you go on strike last week? All you do is complain but cannot even go on strike to get your point accross - You want someone else to do your dirty work. Grow up idiot!

To all those africans who think the west cares about us you need to think again.Its a great shame that some africans particlarly those in the diaspora(britain,usa)are so readily hoodwinked into believing the fallshoods emanating from western propaganda media.Look at the way black people are denied opportunities in these countries.Black people with masters degrees and phd's are working as cleaners and carers just to frustrate us.Are you then supprised that our black children loose interset in education after seeing there highly learned fathers doing such jobs?.Can you not see that this is the intention.To make us loose hope!How many black men in prison in britain and the usa?.can you honestly tell me it is because we black men have inherent criminal tendancise?dont you think that there is a direct link between this a d what i have mentioned above. Black people beware we are under siege!It is already late but we can still save the day if we open our eyes and see the threat on our doorstep. Take time to read about Black wall street(Google it) and find out how the usa government helped to destroy the economic aspirations of black americans.would so many of how brothers be in jails today if that had been allowed to continue. This time the western propaganda machinery is out again latching on this story of the arms shipment destined for zimbabwe.The truth is plain to see for anyone who wants to see it although unfortunately some of our people prefer to echo there masters(sky,bbc,cnn etc)voices rather than discern the facts for themselves.Zimbabwe still has one of the better equiped armies in africa.Mugabe does not need new guns to intimidate an unarmed population.An old gun can kill just as well as a new gun from China.When a gun is pointed at you you are not going to be thinking about, this is the gun that came from China.To you looking into that barrel it is just a messenger of death and all you know is that it can kill you in an instant.After all is it not ancient and makeshift weaponary that has caused the deaths of so many British and us troops in iraq.And yet these are superior armies armed with the latest high tech weapons.So when so called educated africans start echoeing there masters voices and getting hysterical about this as if this is the first time zimbabwe has imported arms of war it really makes me wounder what hope we have as a race. Our people should study history and learn the lessons.

As one reader has already pointed out was it not the Clinton administration and britain that armed Uganda and Rwanda(talk about traitors in our midst)to invade the DRC and cause the death of over 1/2 -1 million innocent congolese.There only crime was that there country is too rich and uncle sam wants his cut. Mugabe's intervention there is another source of the wests profound hatred of him.He spoilt there party. dont forget also that british companies were supplying arms to the rebels in Sierra Leone. Tell me how this could have been possible without the britsh governments awareness?Tell me again if a british company can supply arms to the iraqi shia millitias without the government being aware of it? Who continued to support unita in Angola even after they lost an internationally supervised election.Does angola not have the highest number of amputees in the world because of that western sponsored conflict. And yet these are the people most of you think are interested in our wellbeing.

If you look back in history and even right now you will find that the West have always supported brutal dictators in africa and all over the world as long as those dictators did there masters bidding.Nobody has ever called upon Museveni and Kagame to be tried for there part in the DRC genocide, unless you do not concider the death of over 1/2 million Congolese worthy of that title.Why?answer is simple.They are compliant.The day they sieze to be you will no doubt hear about it.But of course some of you will once again add to your African masters voices giving credibility to there convienient sense of democracy for our people.

Our people have suffered immensley from the hands of the west for a long time.Right from the time of slavery.To date they refuse to apologise choosing instead to blame us for being complicit in that heinous trade. Tell me did any one of our chiefs sail his boat to America and Britain to advertise that he had slaves for sale in his village.If you know of one please tell me. Look aparthied in South Africa and how for so long the West engaged with that regime with Reagan and Thatcher calling Mandela a terrorist. Compare this to the Jewish holocaust.Up to today nobody is allowed to forget what happened to the jewish people.Up to today any Individual Nazi who was involved is being brought to book.Banks that beneffited are being ordered to pay back.anything stolen from the jews is being given back if it can be found. Just because someone stole something 100years ago does not make it theres.No stone is being left unturned in pursuit of anyone who was involved in that terrible chapter. And yet right here in africa the same crimes by the same people were committed but not a sound from the fighters of democracy.I refer to the Herero people of Namibia who were subjected to similar treatment by the German army as the jews were.I find the silence deafening. in cases like this where blcak or african people are the victims the whole world wants to quickly forget and advocate reconcilliation and forgiveness.If anyone wants to mention it you are accused of being racist and are called all sorts of names just to shut you up.If you happen to be an african leader you are threatened economically. I believe in forgiveness and moving forward.But we should never forget what happened to us yesterday.History has a habit of repeating itself.

I agree with Phiri, there has been bad reporting on the story. Poor reporting that neglects international law, maritime law and the personality of Bob. Come on we can't take that story as it is, there's more to it than begin told. Think about the logic of it- yes we know uncle bob is desperate but he's no idiot, why would he pick the hottest period in the history of Zim to order such a large shipment of arms, from an investigated company. if you think of the Zim army and intelligence they one of the sharpest in Africa, they knew this years elections would be jeopardy so why would they leave the loop- hole of not having ammunition. its just a shady story all together.

phiri sorry old chap...the ship exists and it is now bound for Angola as you probably now accept. Next time, perhaps before rushing to judgmement and seeing everything as an "evil western inspired racist plot" to destabilise your defunct and idiotic murderous hero mugabe, you should double check your facts!!

I believe it is wrong to stop the arms shipment let Mr Mugabe have it. then we will clean up the mess and rebuild zimbabwe again and again and again.Why do i say this well go back in history and point out or name one country that has had a black president that is now economicaly viable or has not been subject to a military coup because of corruption and greed or because the powers that be are afraid of faceing a crimes tribunal to answer for the ruthless killing of people who would not support them. Mr Mugabe knows he will have to face these people and may very well be hanged by the kneck untill dead along with his top aids that are living like kings whilst the people are starving and dying because of the colapse of the economy.or even better yet let Mr Mugabe stand alone in front of all the mothers who have lost children to disease and mulnutrition and explain to them why they cant feed there children. yes alone no one else just him with out his hired guns to protect him there is nothing like a mothers rage when it comes to her children.

From the US, where this story isn't registering much interest because people want to hear about a wrinkled old catholic man in a frilly robe going from place to place, I send these union members my full support. It is an act of courageous civil disobedience to refuse to pass weapons onto a ruthless man who will no doubt turn them on his people.

These are the small acts of heroism that don't seem like much individually, but when you add them together can drive real change.

Mr. Phiri got it all wrong. What matters to you is protecting African sovereignty and disregard the basic human rights that are due to the Africans. The are Mugabe's reveberations! You really fail to appreciate the fact that the old man you're trying to protect has delivered the worst suffering to his people - 80% unemployment, over 100 000% inflation rate, empty store shelves etc. Even if you were to be correct in your article, at this point all is nonsense. We want freedom and therefore the shipment of these weapons should be stopped lest there will be bloodbath in Zimbabwe. You don't care!

When will you Southern Africans wake up and smell the maize porridge simmering in the kitchen? Mr. Phiri is BANG RIGHT ON. He is a very discerning man. More discerning than many of you writing here.

The Britons have been doing this nonsense in Africa for far too long. They do this in West Africa all the time. There, they have strong ties with certain national entities like the Asante monarch and its people. Mr. Phiri, DO NOT relent!! Hammer your people with the truth until they grow up. It is high time every African country THREW OUT the British monarchical establishment and its octopus-like media network that has defined, redefined, branded and re-branded African peoples for the worse: UK, Australia, Canada, US and New Zealand.

Down with the British influence in Africa once and for all!!

That's why african nation has to wake up and unite and say no to all imperialism and neo-colonialism from western countries,especially these anlo-saxons countries,they always showed up as almighty.knowing all,taking african leaders as children, just because of our resources on which they want to put their hands on for free but with big mouth ,so african leaders please unite to send them away ,but If they want to come to us they haveto respect our rules not us to respect their rules which are ruining our economies because of their badmannered and canning intention they have to get our thing for free of charge ,so Mugabe need his we^pons besides those weapons belong to all zimbabweans evenly the opposition don't follow the western intoxication which will bring the hatred among african brothers and sisters and IF YOU ARE DIVIDED NOW,THAT WILL MAKE EASY TO WESTERN COUNTRIES TO EXPLOITE US ,SO WAKE UP DON'T GIVE THEM YOUR EARS,NEVER MIND THEM.Mugabe must protect himself and protect the zimbabweans in particular and african brothers and sisters nation ,remember rwanda is leading a plot which aim to kill Mugabe and others africans leaders kagame sa their pion is working with the western countries because he is animal like them so commandos are trained to the border between rwanda and tanzania ,so Mugabe must think about it,so KagAme doesn't want Bantous because he is nilitics,he want all bantous extreminated that's why he is working with western countries that is the case of the republic democratic of congo ,he was and he still is a devil so african countries of bantous wake up and fight kagame and museveni and othres ennemis of bantous ,we have to prevent those guys before things get worse ,because it's serious ,kagame and museveni and others nilotics want to be the heads of african continent by bias of western countries ,you can see that in every thing organisation rwanda wants to have the lead being president of BAD,AND OTHERS INSTITUTIONS ,THAT DOESN'T SAY OR MEANS ANYTHING TO YOU GUYS WAKE UP.STOP THEM. AND THOSE WORKERS IN SOUTH AFRICA THEY DON'T HAVE TO STOP SERVING THEIR MOTHER LAND ,DON'T WORK FOR WESTERN COUNTRIES WORK FOR YOUR OWN AFRICAN COUNTRY, DON'T CONYTINUE TO BE TAMED BY THEM,WE ARE NOTINTHE COLONIAL ERA SO WAKE UP. Why should we continue to serve for the western countries ,they are getting richier and we are becoming poorier ,because of us ,they getting our resources for free and make them riches,and we remaind poor,they shouldn't take our resources inour land and take them in their countries ,they should dig and threat or finish the final product in our countries so our people can be employed and so the number of unemployment can decrease,but naives as we are we are letting them take everything to their countries and leave our population unemployed ,so our leaders have to step towards and say no to that system,we have to be bosses in our own land for our own resources,they need the resources so they have to follow our rules and they will do it If they donot like go in asia,China India,and koreas,and and so.we ARE TIRED WITH THEM WESTERN COUNTRIES WE HAVE BEEN WITH THEM FOR LONG AND OUR ECONOMIES ARE GETTING WORSE BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT US TO DEVELOP SO THEY CAN PUT US UNDER THEIR CONTROL, MEN WE ARE NOT CHIDREN NOW ,WE HAVE TO NEGOTIATE WITH ANYONE WE WANT TO,NOT THEM TO TELL US IF YOU DON'T DO THIS WE WON'T TAKE YOUR STUFF,WHY SHOULD STAY WITH WESTERN COUNTRIES WHO WANT US TO LIVE IN THE POVERTY FOREVER?

Well said brother it's a pity these fools dont see it. After all our freedom fighters got arms from China,Russia and Korea when the west refused to help overthrow those racist rhodesian baboons.

Rise O voices of Rhodesia in God's bounty may we share....

Peter, it is you that has got it wrong. Zimbabwe has the right to buy weapons from whoever, and whenever. Why didn't you and the other fools stage your failed general strike. You are a bunch of cowards. You want everyone else in the world to fight but you dont want to. All you do is jump up and down crying that you are hard done by. You guys with all your lies want to play hard ball so Zimbabwe has the right to defend it's self.

Why you always have negativity thought,do you think Mugabe has to do that ,don't lie,the coubtry need those weapons for its protection,for its military defense so what youbsay here is nosense and absurd ,if the can happen it will be because of you anglo-saxons , do not think about that ,because it won't happen ,as your clinton did to the republic democratic of congo ,he supported the war which killed 5000000 congolese because he wanted their resources for free,gold diamonds,colta for high tech (electronics) cooper,he gave weapons to the kagme of rwanda museveni of uganda and some of tutsie leader of burndi to invade congo and the marines navy were and still stationed in kivu lake to help kagmame and nkundabatware to destabilise the rdcongo.so this is your plan, the bad intentions ypu have ,you think that everybody will have them to harm his people,american are the worst people who are misinformed, you just hear Mugabe is make suffering his people you don't even know if that is true or false ,and you don't know who is bringing that propaganda ,you wetern countries after Mugabe refused and took the farms from those who had more than two farms to give back to aboriginal people you became heated ,he has a right to do so and it,s his own land african land to african people ,why are so angry ,you just don't want the owner of the country to enjoy their mother land,what is your problem frabricating news and spectacle to lie to the world that Mugabe is a dictactor just he does what was right to for his people anglo-saxons you're evil and devils,I wish all african leadres could step forwards and say to western countries halt harrassing us and taking us as children this is not the colonial era,stay away from our resources ,you want them then sit down and let's discuss and negotiate the prices,not to come down here as th might lord an knowing all to tame us no imperialism,no neo-colonialism. you always know that you can survive without or resources which you want for free at the price s you fix yourselves.

Why you always have negativity thought,do you think Mugabe has to do that ,don't lie,the coubtry need those weapons for its protection,for its military defense so what youbsay here is nosense and absurd ,if the can happen it will be because of you anglo-saxons , do not think about that ,because it won't happen ,as your clinton did to the republic democratic of congo ,he supported the war which killed 5000000 congolese because he wanted their resources for free,gold diamonds,colta for high tech (electronics) cooper,he gave weapons to the kagme of rwanda museveni of uganda and some of tutsie leader of burndi to invade congo and the marines navy were and still stationed in kivu lake to help kagmame and nkundabatware to destabilise the rdcongo.so this is your plan, the bad intentions ypu have ,you think that everybody will have them to harm his people,american are the worst people who are misinformed, you just hear Mugabe is make suffering his people you don't even know if that is true or false ,and you don't know who is bringing that propaganda ,you wetern countries after Mugabe refused and took the farms from those who had more than two farms to give back to aboriginal people you became heated ,he has a right to do so and it,s his own land african land to african people ,why are so angry ,you just don't want the owner of the country to enjoy their mother land,what is your problem frabricating news and spectacle to lie to the world that Mugabe is a dictactor just he does what was right to for his people anglo-saxons you're evil and devils,I wish all african leadres could step forwards and say to western countries halt harrassing us and taking us as children this is not the colonial era,stay away from our resources ,you want them then sit down and let's discuss and negotiate the prices,not to come down here as th might lord an knowing all to tame us no imperialism,no neo-colonialism. you always know that you can survive without or resources which you want for free at the price s you fix yourselves.

J-USA, you Americans are the ultimate joke. The USA has damaged almost all unions. You invaded Iraq and became a colonizer and the ultimate imperialist. The USA population is one of the least populations to excerse any brain. You elected twice a President who is brain dead. Botswana is more democratic than the USA. Your elections are largely about nothing but greed corporations. Your legal system is one of the worst in the world. Your justice system is so racists and it functions as a fourth world standard. So, just shut up!!!!!!

Sometimes when people are tired of the government they don't see anything belonging to that government with good eye, I am convicede that they are wrong,because those are not weapons to fight the opposition,those are evenly the we^pons which can protect the opposition too in case zimbabwe is attacked ,I don,t like of the western countries towards zimbabwe ,especially the british government after their citizens were retriveved some of theirs farmers which they were supposed to do so give some to the aboriginal zimbaweans because is their land their rights, to do farming, now he is intoxicating for every single thing the governemnt of Mugabe is doing , that's a shame for those western countrieswant every time to diffamate our leaders in africa, with their media ,we want to do our things on our own way ,the democracy in western countries are not the same too because some among them they still have the problems toom like africa continent, it's so difficult to satisfy a white person when it comes to africa full of all resources they need to put their hands on ,they have play the knowing all,the all mighty, but they are not,we can't always live on their rules as in old times of colonial era, let's go back to weapons, Iremind you that the somewestern countries who are aginst the Mugabe government are plotting to bring some commandos who are trained between tanzania and rwanda and the chair man is the president of rwanda kagame ,so what do you think about those weapons they are there to defend the country against all incursions ,so why should wave yours hands and rise your voicesand yellfor something which is benefit for all zimbabweans ,do think war is good and worth for zimabweans in particular and for africa in general no and no now stop your stupide and naivity of following what western countries are orchestring ,to make you guys against of each other for their profits. fight togother to push away the neo-conlnialism and imperialism of western countries.

THOSE WEAPONS WILL HELP EVERY ZIMBABWEANS EVEN AFRICAN . THINK YOU

Sometimes when people are tired of the government they don't see anything belonging to that government with good eye, I am convicede that they are wrong,because those are not weapons to fight the opposition,those are evenly the we^pons which can protect the opposition too in case zimbabwe is attacked ,I don,t THE ATTITUDE like of the western countries towards zimbabwe ,especially the british government after their citizens were retriveved some of theirs farmers which they were supposed to do so give some to the aboriginal zimbaweans because is their land their rights, to do farming, now he is intoxicating for every single thing the governemnt of Mugabe is doing , that's a shame for those western countrieswant every time to diffamate our leaders in africa, with their media ,we want to do our things on our own way ,the democracy in western countries are not the same too because some among them they still have the problems toom like africa continent, it's so difficult to satisfy a white person when it comes to africa full of all resources they need to put their hands on ,they have play the knowing all,the all mighty, but they are not,we can't always live on their rules as in old times of colonial era, let's go back to weapons, Iremind you that the somewestern countries who are aginst the Mugabe government are plotting to bring some commandos who are trained between tanzania and rwanda and the chair man is the president of rwanda kagame ,so what do you think about those weapons they are there to defend the country against all incursions ,so why should wave yours hands and rise your voicesand yellfor something which is benefit for all zimbabweans ,do think war is good and worth for zimabweans in particular and for africa in general no and no now stop your stupide and naivity of following what western countries are orchestring ,to make you guys against of each other for their profits. fight togother to push away the neo-conlnialism and imperialism of western countries.

THOSE WEAPONS WILL HELP EVERY ZIMBABWEANS EVEN AFRICAN . THINK YOU

I WANT TO SEE MY COMMENT AMONG OTHERS PLEASE POSTE IT

It would appear that the trade unions in South Africa have a lot more backbone and intelligence than the government,Mugabe has completly lost the plot and is hell bent on killing his people regardless of colour, if he doesn't starve them to death, this shipment would give him the means to take other drastic action. I just despair when I read this is all about UK-Australia influence,what a load of bollocks, this is about people whatever there background being given an opportunity to be productive and to be able live happily and support themselves, regardless of colour. Under Mugabe this doesn't appear to be happening. You cannot have the cake and eat it too; if an individual wants productive land, then they have an obligation to produce something on it, if you choose to totally ignore this, then you could end up with inflation of 150,000% and a life expectancy of just 30 years. Personally, it is irrelevant to me what colour or creed anyone is, the fantastic thing about Australia is anyone from any background can succeed and be successful, ask the Zimbabwean farmers here and yes they are not all white, regardless of upbringing and background, the same doesn't appear to be the case in Zimbabwe. Yes I can walk down the street here with a Liberal party teeshirt, the worst that will happen is a few people will call me a dickhead but I will not be bashed by Government thugs. Somewhere your governments have all lost the plot completley, wake up life is too short as it is but life expectancy of 30 smacks of Genocide and should be prosecuted. You can keep blaming us all you like but it won't create productivity and put food on the tables. Allowing this shipment through may help putting food on the tables as their will be less mouths to feed at the end of the day, Mugabe ain't going to use these for Game hunting he has managed to destroy most of that already, but to me this is a fairly dermented way to feed people.

YOU ARE LYING,THAT'S YOUR BAD HABIT BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS THINNK NEGATIVELY,DO YOU THINK ANYBODY WILL B AGREE WITH YOU THAT THOSE WEAPONS ARE GOING TO HARM ZIMBABWEANS ,NO ZIMBABWE HAS RIGHT TO BUY WEAPONS FOR IT'S DEFENSE NOT FOR MUGABE,YOU ARE THE ONES WHO WANT AFRICAN RESOURCES FOR FREE AND THEN WHEN YOU DON'T GET THEM AS YOU WANTED AND EXPECTED YOU TURN AROUND MAKE PROPAGANDA ,i LOVE MUGABE HE PUT THE ANGLO-SAXON AT THEIR VERY LOW LEVEL SO THE ANGRY ARE PUSHING THE ANGLO-SAXONS TO SAY WHATEVER COMES FROM THEIR HAEDS,MAKING PEOPLE AGAINST EACH OTHER SO YOU CAN REIGN AND OCCUPIY AFRICAN BECAUSE OF SOME SIMPLE NAIVES PEOPLE WHO LISTEN TO YOUR BULLSHIT PROPANDA ,THINK YOU ARE COMING TO SAVE THEIR LIVES ,BUT YOU WANT TOSINK THEM ,SINCE LONG TIME WHAT HVE DONE TO AFRICAN NATION ,INSTEAD IS PUTTING THEM IN POVERTY BY TAKING THEIR RESOURCES FOR FREE OF CHARGE AND COME BACK TO LAUGH AT THEM,YOU ARE DISGUSTING ANGLO-SAXONS,AND WESTERN COUNTRIES YOU ARE SELFISHES AND ILLMANNERED,YOU ARE CANNING PEOPLE ,THE PROBLEM OF ZIMBABWE YOU KNOW IT WELL IT'S NOT THE DICTATORISHIP YOU ARE SAYING THE DROUGH CAME THROUGH THAT,AND YOUR BEHAVIOUR TOWARDS AFRICAN COUNTRIES,YOUTOKK EVERYTHING AND YOU DON'T PAY ENOUGH PRICE ,YOU FIX THE PRICE FOR THE PRODUCTS WHICH YOU GET TEN TIME PROFIT ,YOU BRING WARAND DEASES, SSO YOU AIN'T GOOD ENOUGH,FOR ANY GOOD FOR AFRICAN CONTINENT

What resources does Zimbabwe have? Minerals? Oil? Don't think so mate! What makes Zimbabwe so special that you think the whole world wants all of your resources except, maybe, a little bit of tobacco!!! Open your eyes to all the Mugabe lies & propaganda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AND if the WEST would want to invade Africa for their resources, don't you think they would start with South Africa(Gold) and Nigeria(Oil)?

Greg, dont lie. I visit australia very often for work and the fact is your Abo's are not being treated very well are they? Most are living in 3rd world conditions and have no jobs. They are encouraged to drink to keep them dumb. Your Government took rhodesian white farmers only so dont lie about taking black farmers.

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Phiri - no matter how bad racism is in Australia or here in the U.S., it's a strange coincidence that most black people here and in Australia would prefer to stay here than to live in Zimbabwe considering how poorly they are treated in the U.S. or Auz. Or maybe closer to home - why have over 1 million Zimbabweans chosen to leave their homeland for the "paradise" of the ANC's South Africa?

I get the issue of "Africa for Africans" and the post-colonial ambivalence of Africans towards their previous colonizers (oppressors) - but in case you didn't get the memo, the oppressors left, you won. Africa is yours........ Now that you're in control, what have you done with it?

It is not an issue of race, it's an issue of competence! If you and others in Zimbabwe truly feel this way, then ZANU-PF has given you what you deserve, 80% unemployment and 160,000% inflation. However, from where most people come from, it is a matter of how well their government serves ALL of their citizens. I don't think the FACTS of how well ZANU-PF have served the people of Zimbabwe since 1980 are much of a defense of Mr. Mugabe and his cronies.

Somehow the ANC managed to take over from the white-minority government of South Africa and have managed not to plunge their country into complete chaos AND they also manage to publicly declare the outcomes of their elections in a timely fashion. Comparatively, whatever the "revolutionary struggles" of the ANC against the white minority government, somehow I don't think SA has an 80% unemployment rate, I KNOW they don't have 160,000% inflation! I suppose you would suggest that the white minority of South Africa are somehow manipulating the ANC to maintain that country's economic stability?

The unions in SA (which can't really be called lackeys of the evil imperialist west seeing as most of them are closely alligned with the Communist party) refused to offload the weapons on SA soil. The High-court has ruled that the shipment can't travel via SA. The ship is on it's way to Mozambique now to offload it's cargo in Beira.....Mugabe must be getting desperate.

Firstly guys, If the " white imperialists" where planning on over running the country they would have done it already. They could fabricate a reason. However they don't need to just ask any Zimbabwean in South Africa why he's here. They'll give you a good idea of the abuses in ZIM.

Secondly I dont want to bore you with Statistics etc etc but the "evil west" as it's put sanctioned SA during apartheid to let their sentiments be known. They applied pressure on the National Party to change the goverment.

Much more than Mugabe did. Come on guys why MUST it always be black vs white. Clearly anyone with this outlook is a black racist.

This is not Australia, white south africans did not kill black people en masse like they did come on guys. Really the 2 nations cannot be compared

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Richard, when a white person says they are concerned about the blacks in Zimbabwe - it's a JOKE! Please, do you really expect us to believe that when 100's are being killed in Sudan each week, 1 million blacks displaced in Sudan, 1000 killed in recent Kenyan elections and these very white people are only concerned about the blacks in Zimbabwe. There are worse places on this earth than Zimbabwe but no one cares, WHY?

bushie, you dont know what you are talking about. Get facts before you fabricate more lies.

Hey Phiri

Look you are clearly well informed but dictators and human suffering can never be agreed with. How can we move forward with this kind of attitude? That includes whites and blacks.

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LMAO.... All the countries that has a dole system can afford to do that, their people don't die of hunger........what exactly is your point here, please believe me Kubatana, I am trying to see things from ur perspective, I just can't get my head far enough up my f#cking arse to do that

bushie, please show us one photo (only 1) of a starving person in Zimbabwe. I guess you will use the usual crap that reporters are not allowed to take photo's. This internet is so wonderful - even the people in Zimbabwe cant produce ONE photo? ONE photo? It is your head that needs to get looked at because not only are you very dumb but a bit Mentally challenged too.

How about here:

http://www.sokwanele.com/images/general/children_eggs.jpg

Why do you even need to see photos? If you really ARE a Zimbabwean then phone home and ask your friends and family if there are people starving there.

What about all those Zim people in documentaries who say they can only afford ONE meal a day.

Only a complete moron would think that in a country with 100,000%+ inflation that nobody would starve. Do you contest the live expectancy of 34 too??

Hey Mindfailed, i think the world has seen recent footage of the elections and the people dont look as if they are starving. I often talk to my people in Zimbabwe and yes there are shortages sometimes but starving NO! Having 'ONE' meal a day is not starving - i and many others grew up on 'ONE' meal a day under the rhodesian government. Starving is like the pictures the world saw in Somalia and Ethiopia (lifeless skelletons with pot bellies). You see it's your fabricated lies that have done the most damage to Zimbabwe.

One meal a day is not starving? How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you say something as stupid as that?! I'd like to see you try living off two slices of bread a day.

MINDY, is a meal two slices of bread or not? YOU are the one that said that Zimbabwean's are living on one meal a day. So now tell us what did you mean by one meal a day because in my book two slices of bread is not a meal. You dont know what you are talking about which is i suppose consistant of you.

Richard,

All that Phiri is saying is that the so-called brotherhood between black/white is usual fake and false. That type of thinking tends to disadvantage black people. I have heard it before, we are all one, but when the ANC calls for affirmative action to empower poor black people, that's when you see the the colors of whites. It is never in good times. Yes, formal employment in Zimbabwe is 20% or estimated to be, but most employment is informal, not formal in Africa. This is lost by white propaganda people. Richard and other white anglos, AFRICA uses more informal economics, not formal. My friend from Ghana says most Ghanians are employed by the unformal economy. An American observer to Zimbabwe was surprised that with 80% unemployment, Zimbabweans seemed to be functioning fine!! He was immediately reminded that most Africans are employed in the informal sectors of the economy. This is not to say unemployment is not repant, but so is the rest of Africa.

Mad South African workers’ union idiot leaders, I am peacefully living in ZIM. South Africa is full of crime maybe more than any other country in the world. Zimbabwe has been buying weapons for defense for the past 28 years why have you not said your crap then? Britain has admitted to wanting to invade Zimbabwe through its parliament and generals- what did you say about that? Zimbabwe had used huge national budget before to defend itself from apartheid South Africa. We did not take land then in order to bring independence earlier for South Africa and Namibia, remember you did not help us to liberate our country but we helped you attain partial independence you have now. We are still helping you to realise complete independence when land is returned to indigenous peoples of Africa if not the world at large. IT IS THE SACRIFICE WE ARE PROUD TO ASSOCIATE WITH. Get this right in your foolish minds, ZIMBABWE IS AT WAR WITH EVERYBODY AGAINST LAND DISTRIBUTION EXCEPT ITSELF. WAR AND CRISIS ARE BEING THROWN AROUND ZIMBABWE AND ZIMBABWE IS DEFENDING ITSELF WITH PEACE. WE ARE SHIELDING THE ONSLAUGHT FROM BRITAIN AND ITS FINANCIAL ALLIES WITH PEACE. PEACE IS OUR ULTIMATE WEAPON. WITH PEACE WE SHALL OVERCOME THE CRISIS AND WAR STUPIDITY THROWN AROUND US. We are at peace with one another here; we are at peace with our land here. It is true we are hungry, poor but not in misery, you may ask IMF/WB resolutions of 1997 against balance of payment to Zimbabwe. For our hunger ask Zimbabwe Democracy bill of USA what it says about all international finance institutions about trade with Zimbabwe. Ask Europe what it says about tourism trade then you will understand why we are poor. Ask Blair/Brown’s tabloids about demonizing Zimbabwe then show me who will want to trade with Zimbabwe. Ask African leaders including Gaddafi about how the west castigates them when it comes to trading with Zimbabwe. Come here to Zimbabwe and show me how many companies and European embassies have relocated to South Africa then you will understand shortages that are affecting us. Talk to UN agencies, NGOs about grants to Zimbabwe including HIV/Malaria assistance and see how they frown. We are also poor because with all the economic negatives employed against us, drought exacerbated our situation. You and I understand that Tsvangirai does not have any power to bring our economy down – we both know the culprits and we clearly are aware of what they want. We voted MDC-T to participate in stopping all the other economic negatives from Britain and its allies but we did not say our country is for sale. In our midst Tsvangirai is powerless, he can’t organise a strike here, and we know his masters and their devastation that is why he is always with them and not with the electorate. We defeated them before and never will they rear their ugly colonial heads against the AFRICAN SON OF THE SOIL. Please don’t try to teach us how to liberate ourselves. We fought protracted wars against Britain and its settler cousins here from Zambia and Mozambique and we defeated that fierce enemy through the barrel of the gun. If there is need for freedom we don’t consult, we simply act. We are consulting the MDC-T for economic purposes, period. We have our complaint with Mugabe about high level corruption and that we are solving through peaceful voting, it does not mean we must burn our house nor sale our country. NADA.

That has to be the biggest load of crap I have ever read in a long time... come on, get your head out of the sand.

Everybody knows that Mugabe is just a low life thug, the worst piece of human shit you could ever come across.

I remember visiting Rhodesia a long ago and it was a beautiful place with beautiful gardens and it was clean and prosperous. Our supplier took us to South Africa and Zimbabwe two years ago and I couldn't believe how the country had turned into a pile of shit.

Not a place you would even send your worst enemy too, stinking, smelly, run down dog shit of a place. I couldn't wait to get the hell out of there and return home to 'God's Great Garden' also known as Australia.

Youseefa, Zimbabwe is Africa and Africa is Zimbabwe. At least we dont pollute our waters with 'cleaning' chemicals. Australia and indeed the industrial first world have polluted many of your rivers and killed off most of the wildlife. Your Australia has the worst record for wipping out natural wildlife. You all flock to Africa to see the abundant wildlife and yet not too long ago you had some great animals which you wiped out with your 'clean' bullshit! All you know is GREED,DAMAGE,EXPLOIT. Fantastic!

Go into the bush in Zim now and try to find some wildlife. There's none because it's all been EATEN by STARVING people.

And what is greed if not hanging onto power by any means possible for 28 years?

Mindy, i just came back from Hwange and Vic Falls last December and saw an abundance of animals including Rhino . People like you tend to have so much to say and yet you have never been anywhere. It's just hot smelly air comming out of you.

Kuba, you know that's a lie, why even say it? I have friends in conservation societies, you can't try that on me. :-D

MINDY, i must confess - i am not really into politics and dont even belong to Zanu pf or any other party but i just cannot sit back and listen to the lies about Zimbabwe. I have photographs of the abundant wildlife i saw in Zimbabwe last year so to say i'm lying is just sick. I now can fully understand why Mugabe and his party have taken this hard road - why does Zimbabwe have to put up with your(the west) constant lies. YOU are a disgrace to human life and your coments STINK IN THE NOSTRELS OF HEAVEN!

Zimbabwe is not Africa! There is a huge difference.

I visited South African and Zimbabwe and can honestly say that Zimbabwe was a stinking pile of dog shit run by a murderous thug.

Then we went to South Africa and stayed at Sun City, this is a first class resort and run better than most places you will find anywhere in the world. A place like CapeTown was one of the most beautiful citys you could ever see, most would kill for a mountain like that in their backyard.

It is sad that a Government in South Africa adopts policies based on race rather than credentials. Now you have power cuts because the black people employed wouldn't know which way to turn a screwdriver to do any maintenance. I bet you most of the violent crime in South Africa is from Zimbabweans crossing the boarder looking for a quick fix.

Kill Mugabe, he is another living Sadam Hussein.

Youseef, Zimbabwe is no different to any other African country. It is in fact no different to any other third world country in Asia or South America. I have been to most of these places so i know first hand. If you found Zimbabwe and South Africa depressing dont go there and also stay out of their affairs. Mugabe is a hero to many people the world over so why dont you just deal with your own issues in your own back yard!

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We have to be careful with Yosurf and his murderous brethrens. You have a very distored view of Africa. Generally speaking Arabs are a very confused group. You have your own tyrant and a few sheiks. Let's not get into that subject!

To the Phiris and Kabatanas out there - When will you get it into thick sculls that Mugabe WAS a hero and no more. Yes he liberated the people of Zimbabwe from a repressive and racist government.After that brave act, what has he done for Zimbabwe? NOTHING better. Instead of empowering his people by giving the MASSES the fertile lands to grow food and be prosperous, he has given it to the privileged ministers of his own party who know absolutely nothing about the land except for greed. Zimbabweans are not only educated hard working people,but the country itself is so fertile that anywhere you spit a seed it grows - hence being known as 'the bread basket of Africa'. It really hurts now to hear people like Yousef describe Zimbabwe as 'shit' in comparison to South Africa.Thanks to Mugabe and all those who support him in suppressing the masses so as to stay in power because they know that once the dictator is gone, they will no longer be lavished with the present wealth that is so beyond their dreams, but instead, will have to answer to the people of Zimbabwe for their crimes against humanity.Just visit people like David Fombe in hospital with severe burns, or 65year old widow from Mutoko Mavis Mavhunga with a broken arms and many others who were set upon by Mugabe's thugs for daring to voice their God - given right by voting for whom they choose. Someone who leads his country to a life expectancy of 34 years of age,ruins his country to unemployment of over 80% and and makes millions of his people flee from their homeland because of his tyranny,is no hero. Tell me people like President Nelson Mandela are heroes and I will know that you are using you brains Robert Mugabe- hell no!

Admit it out loud or think it in the back of your mind but give land to a white man and he will produce a fertile crop to feed his family and supply the local population. Give it to a black man and he sits on his fat ass all day hoping it will grow by itself, drinking beer and smoking crack.

Zimbabwe sound familiar? Wonder why there is no food anymore?

It's like any American basketball team should be, the workers or players are all black but take a look at the coach or the management and they are always white - this breeds a suscessful team. The same should apply to Zimbabwe to bring it back to the nation it used to be in its glory days.

yousefa, the white man does it using cheap labour - thats why! This world would be one very sad place if we all became American. You are just a stupid brainwashed idiot!

kjrs, how many names do you really have of these torched people? I bet only a handful - now how many black Zimbabwean and South African people did white people kill, 100 OF 1000's? So who really did the crimes against humanity and why have they not been made accountable? It's one rule for some and another rule for others.

kubatana, even just one person injured,tortured or killed is one person too many. Yes, thousands of our black Zimbabweans and South Africans went through unimaginable pain, suffering and murder under the hands of whites. It is up to us - OURSELVES - to make the people that commit the atrocities accountable. What did our black leaders do to these people after independence? NOTHING. Ian Smith lived happily ever after in Zimbabwe. In South Africa all that mothers could do was to sit and weep in the courts whilst listening to how the their children suffered torture and then finally killed.There again what did our black leaders do? NOTHING.The white murderers and butchers went Scot free. There is a great lesson to be learned from the Jewish people. After the second world war and to this day,they have rounded up every person possible that committed atrocities against their people and they did not sit back and wait for other nations to do it for them.They pursued and never let the world forget because they have the will of their people and their government.So Kubatana, I hope you can now see the reason why those butchers were not made accountable.WE did NOTHING.

kjrs, nothing can be done to the blue eyes - it could never happen. All we blacks can do is fight to get them off our land. Only land can empower African people. Yes ,it could take time to make the land productive but it will happen - i have no doubt that black Zimbabweans can do it. Going the other way means the white farmers will get the land back, black kids will get their university degrees but will work as cheap labour on those farms. Now that is going backwards!

Mate, get your tiny pissy little head out of the sand and wake up to yourself.

This land was there millions of years before you or your corrupt little black sissy boys were even thought of so why don't you just declare that the land belongs to the dinosaurs following your warped demented theory? Actually, looking at the state of black controlled Africa, they would do a much better job just by farting and shitting dinosaur crap all day long.

The only way to fix Zimbabwe would be to get AAA countries like USA, Australia, Canada, UK, Western Europe to take control and give the lazy, dumb, ignorant, corrupt, greedy little black people a big fat boot up their ass.