This same article has be written under 2 different names. One of the writers is a fake or a pseudyoname. What the two articles lack is the international perspective on extraditing somebody to face the death penalty. International law bars such extraditions. The EU will not extradite anyone to face the death penalty. Canada, Mexico regulary denies extraditions to the USA if the death penalty is involved. Either the two journalists who wrote the same article do not know or it is just the usual hype on Zimbabwe one cannot tell.

That said, it would be wrong for Tsvangirai to extradite Mengestu to Ethiopia based on law and part of the agreement by the USA and EU to send Mengistu to Zimbabwe. This paved the way for peace in ethiopia. Also Zimbabwe obtained an agreement with Guinea before extraditing that Anglo terrorist called Mann. Tsvangirai with his trade union retoric words does not understand the implication on what he says. This could be construed to mean that Robert Mugabe would be persecuted once he gets in power. Somehow he has to communicate words of assurance that he will not engage in vindictive behavour once he gets to be President. This is what will pave peace and democracy. Otherwise, he is asking for trouble from those generals who think he is a stoog for the British gov't.

How many murderers can Mr Tsvangirai put up with? It is bad enough he will have Mugabe to deal with. If Mengistu cannot be extradited then he will have to find himself elsewhere to live.

"Somehow he has to communicate words of assurance that he will not engage in vindictive behavour once he gets to be President." Is that another of your prophecies Phiri? *LMAO*

Generals? Generals can countermand their elected commander in chief if they dont agree with him in Zimbabwe? Anyone would think it was a dictatorship!

I think you may be confusing vindictivness as justice Phiri, the two are totally different.

Glyph, Ohhhh you wisecracker..I know what I'm talking about..Justice or vindictness are two separate words and do mean different things to different people in different culture or even racial groups. As most people in the USA now accept. Especially when a whole white race in the USA can use race for vindictiveness reasons to sentence blackpeople to death, in the name of justice!! Please, thank GOD you are a whiteman. I see that You work hard on this website to confuse facts.

I hope you also participate on the BBC Africa survey questions because I don't see any published comments on most of their questions. It is clear most Africans now consider BBC as a useless place to debate African issues. By the way, I also find the survey questions utterly idiotic and dumb!!

Phiri did you not say, "once he gets to be president"? You obviously think he's going to be president, but the generals wont allow it if he takes them to task over their attrocities.

You said it not me.

Facts are facts Phiri, they are what they are, facts cannot be confused thats the very nature of a fact. I love facts they leave no room for maneuver or weasel words , whether they are pleasant facts or not, fact = truth and the truth is the enemy of the lie.

I'm also against the death penalty Phiri, too many innocent men have been released from death-row following aquittal. You do know that African Americans serve on juries in the US don't you? You know that white people are executed too.

Black People executed in the US since 1976 - 375(34%). Hispanic People Executed in the US since 1976 - 76(7%) White People Executed in the US since 1976 - 627(57%) Other Races - 24(2%)

I live in Europe Phiri, Article 2 of the European Convention on Human Rights, The Right to life, NO EXECUTION!

I have said in the past that I do not pariticipate in BBC surveys on Zimbabwe or anywhere else Phiri. So I cannot comment on the survey questions, although what that and the rest of your reply had to do with my previous post I'm struggling to comprehend.

As for you knowing what you mean, thats not much good when you're trying to communicate to everyone else what you mean now is it? We aren't all psychic prophets like you.

Have a nice day won't you :o>

Glyph, you are trying to sugar coat racial statistics on the death penalty in the USA. Black people handly serve on jury panels in the USA. Prosecutors can and do strike black people out of the juries..FACT. The death penalty is disproporionately minted out to non-whites in the USA, mostly black. Thank your lack stars you are white and living in Europe. White people do get excuted too, but not because they killed a black person. Research this topic with human rights and amnsty international. USA has one of the worst judicial systems in the world, despite it's enormous wealth. I'm a graduate of a USA University, and I know what I'm talking about!!!!

You're a graduate of a US university? Wow which one? It obviously isnt in law. I am a law graduate. You fail to mention the fact that the defence can also strike out jurors.

Ahh now you want to talk about proportinality, that I agree with. You may find some favourable statistics in deathpenalty dot org. Don't try and paint a picture of thousands of innocent black people sentenced to death under all white juries because it simply isn't so.

Now you're telling me to look at amnesty international? I thought you hated amnesty international?

LOL, Phiri, you don't deserve to use the word facts! When have you ever produced facts in your arguments? :-D

Phiri,WHOLE white race putting black people to death in the USA? Is that why there are NO black people in America - all given the lethal injection? As a staunch Mugabe supporter are you saying that Glyph should thank God that he is white because if he was black you would have killed him?

Better men than Phiri have tried and failed I have the scars to prove it kjrs *lol*.

Mindpower and Kjrs120,

You two remind me of the dumb and idiot white American Rednecks I met along the way in the USA. They are so stupid, dump, idiots, brainwashed, good for reasons of being white alone. It was so embarrassing to see such brain dead white people that I used to cry. Especially the "high brow" show most white minorities put up in Southern Africa.

Both of you have very little to contribute to these discussions accept to stand for the white people. Thinking about white rednecks, reminds me that white people can be as dumb, stupid and idiots like any other people in the Villages or reserves of Africa. Both of you do not strike me as intelligent people. Very "mouth" , white is good slogan, nor wonder you think black people cannot think. Sorry I have very low regard for both of you.

Phiri why did you attend university in America? What is wrong with the University of Zimbabwe? See what a hypocrite you are? One minute bash the West and the next you flee to it because all you have left in Zimbabwe is crap. Perhaps whatever degrees you have you obtained them from mail order. You

Phiri, in your own words,"White people can be as dumb stupid and idiots like any other people in the villages or reserves of Africa" Just because you think you are smart with your chicken English and unformulated sentences, you think the lowly people in Africa are beneath you. I am sure I speak for Mindpower as well when I say you are a piece of scum just for saying that. In your other post you stated that religion is important to you - well I will repeat to you what I said just in case you did not read my post. Religion is not just waving the Bible and uttering verses when on the other hand you treat your fellow men like crap. Hang your head in shame religious man. Those without religion do a much better job of respecting the human being.

Phiri why did you attend university in America? What is wrong with the University of Zimbabwe? See what a hypocrite you are? One minute you bash the West and the next you flee to it because all you have left in Zimbabwe is crap. Perhaps whatever degrees you have you obtainedare from mail order. You didn't even know what canon law was. it took Glyhp to explain to you. Even then you probably still thought canon law was cannon Banana.

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Phiri, if you do not react to others how then do you communicate and respond? As a 'teacher' do you tie your students to their chairs and ask them not to react and interact with one another? Right now You are reacting to me. If you now know the meaning of canon law is because glyph told you what it was. Go back and re-read your own post.

Phiri, you don't like us because we challenge you. You're like one of those priests who gets asked an awkward question, for which they don't have an answer, that blurts out "don't question the way of the Lord".

You say we are only here to "accept the stand for the white people" but that is only because you have a dark and twisted "anti-anglo" obsession with which you interpret any comment made by someone who disagrees with you. Shame.

It seems Lady Grace Mugabe agrees with you Phiri,

"Even if people vote for the MDC, Morgan Tsvangirai will never step foot inside State House, He will only get to hear about what it looks like inside State House from people who have been there. Even if Baba (Mugabe) loses, he will only leave State House to make way for someone from ZANU-PF."~Grace Mugabe 29th May 2007.

behind every great man is a great woman huh Phiri? *LOL*

US admits helping Mengistu escape http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/575405.stm

"Mengistu was in power for 17 years The United States embassy in Zimbabwe has confirmed the US was involved in finding a safe haven for the former Ethiopian dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam.

The embassy said in a statement that then Assistant Secretary of State Hank Cohen had been involved in negotiations which resulted in Mengistu coming to Harare in 1991.

While the US recognises that Mengistu's military regime - the Dergue - was involved in crimes and atrocities, it argues that the leader's departure from Addis Ababa was necessary to end the civil war and bring peace to Ethiopia

Up to 500 000 people were killed during Mengistu's so-called red terror, according to Amnesty International.

Notoriously, soldiers of the Dergue would not release a victim's body for burial until the victim's family had paid back the cost of the bullet used in the killing.

Thousands of members of the Dergue regime are currently in prison awaiting trial in Ethiopia.

Deflecting criticism

Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe first mentioned US involvement in Mengistu's escape to try to deflect criticism that Zimbabwe was harbouring a dictator who deserved to be judged for his crimes

Mengistu is accommodated in a luxury mansion in Harare and some Zimbabweans are outraged that their taxes are being spent in this way.

Mr Mugabe said with some pride that the Americans had offered financial assistance, but that this had not been necessary.

The current Ethiopian Government is keen to have Mengistu arrested, and requested his extradition when he visited South Africa recently for medical treatment.

South Africa said eventually that it would consider extradition, but Mengistu returned to Zimbabwe before procedures could begin.

Mengistu said he had helped Southern African freedom fighters, and that this was one reason why he did not think South Africa's ANC government would send him back to Ethiopia."

The recent news spin "Mengistu Death Sentence Kindles Expectations for His Extradition" By Howard Lesser, Washington, DC, 28 May 2008, in the Voice of America fails to mention the role the United States State Department played in granting Mengistu refuge in the United States Emnbassy in Zimbabwe.

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