If SADC mandated Mbeki to be au fait with Zimbabwe's political and economic challenges within the Sadc protocols, who then asked Zambia chair to indulge with an ill-fated summit that would play in the hands of Zimbabwe's enemies? Notwithstanding galvanizing the MDC party to international audience as if it is part of SADC governments.

There you are onesoulzim1. You sound like you are riding on the showlders of your leaders. meaning you 're just as ungreatiful as they all seem to be. look at chinamasa's comments againest our respectable Levy. If you yoursel want to see bad thing right, rest be assured that no one else will see wrong things right. you had elections and failed to release results on time, and when they were released your defacto heroes lost, but survived on paper technicality.

The SADC leader all he wants is to bring peace in your land of hopelessness and anguish, and has no hidden agenda at all. All you can do now yourself is to appeal to your fellow citizens in diaspora and especially those fleeing from southafrica, to head home and fight for a good zimbabwe and not seeking refuge in neighbouring countries especialiy zambia, we are fade up now to ungratiful lotes like yourself, we liberated you from smith and we are still trying to liberate you from your fellwo opressor and you seem not appreciate all of these.

Mind you, we also passed through your predicament and we were all united as Zambians, thats how we fought for a new Zambia and we are now all living in peace and harmony. So please just call your brothers and sisters running around to come and make change in your nation, after all zimbabwe's problems are for theirs to solve.

Josedaka70, I love Zambia and am forever grateful to the Zambian people; SADC is a regional grouping that happens to be led by Levy now. Levy as leader of Zambia is doing a great job for the Zambians and the Zimbabwean people when he chooses non-megaphone interference with our national challenges here. Zimbabwe also boasts of millions of Zambian origins who are highly educated, have houses, farms and business though they were brought down here through MTANDAZO (colonial slavery) that took them to be merely farm labors and mineral diggers. I am sure since our independence, thanks to your great country; we made strides in giving back hope and life to everyone including Zambians at a social cost, most companies there in Zambia are being led by Zimbabwe educated man and women of vision. I invite your criticism of us especially our way ward political leaders for we have been one soul since, but if your respectable leader happens to lead SADC our groupings too, let me have the lack of restrictions of criticizing him for he has directly become my leader too. Levy is my leader through SADC, his contributions directly affect my well being and I am a free man to pounce on him, please forgive me. My understanding is that SADC works as one grouping and only act on an approved decision regardless of personal opinions of its members. Mbeki was put on the helm to sort out Zimbabwe problems for SADC understood the intricacies of the core complexity being driven by westerners as voiced by Solomao (SADC Secretariat head). Mbeki can write or lambaste any leader (including Mugabe) of this world about Zimbabwe through SADC powers and my good Levy has no such powers unless he thinks that being chair of SADC now gives him the kangaroo court powers to individually decide and convene ill fated summits without consultation with the regional grouping’s protocols. There was no need for levy to sideline the organ for politics and security (Mbeki/Dos Sandos) as bestowed by the group that he leads unless he wants to introduce selfish and dictatorial tendencies in the group. Mbeki’s statements in Zambia and Levy’s statements exposed our grouping as if it is now being led by naïve individuals. Why did Levy invited opposition political parties who are not signatories to the grouping? The head of SADC, Levy, must denounce sanctions that have caused tremendous suffrage of the ordinary man as agreed in the last Sadc heads of Government meeting as press explained by Solomao. Our country is at crossroads and Levy must not be the one to destroy what Kaunda has built. We want political change here but our way as known by other militant liberators of Mozambique, Angola, Namibia and South Africa. While Zambia is one of the oldest independent countries, your way and that of Botswana’s can not be compared with the delicate revolutionary struggles recently experienced by other young nations of the region. I invite you to listen to Kaunda’s comments about the region and Zimbabwe problem and later take respected levy’s utterances then you can smell the crisis. Zimbabwe has an economic challenge from the embargo as articulated by SADC so its problems are unique never experienced by Zambia unless you want to give a blind eye to the perpetrators of the Zimbabwe crisis like your head of state. As Zimbabweans with a different vision to you, we really feel sorry about how Zambia is disposing its national strategic companies to insatiable multi-corporatism, you may be dollarised today but your infrastructure will remain a non-concern of those who are making a killing on your copper. Zambia may have more problems to solve than those of Zimbabwe so its time to strategize and stop beating your chest in self pride only because your belly is full today. A good day to you José.

You seem to forget that Zambia and Zimbabwe were one country together with Malawi. And as a result the people of this part of Afrika enjoyed the freedom of movement throughout the three contries including Mozambique. You guys left us in a latch and broke away and be rewarded with 'independence'. Dr Buthelezi toyed with a similar approach in South Afrika. Why did you abandon your fellow citizens your very own country people????

You seem to forget that Zambia and Zimbabwe were one country together with Malawi. And as a result the people of this part of Afrika enjoyed the freedom of movement throughout the three contries including Mozambique. You guys left us in a latch and broke away and be rewarded with 'independence'. Dr Buthelezi toyed with a similar approach in South Afrika. Why did you abandon your fellow citizens your very own country people????

You seem to forget that Zambia and Zimbabwe were one country together with Malawi. And as a result the people of this part of Afrika enjoyed the freedom of movement throughout the three contries including Mozambique. You guys left us in a latch and broke away and be rewarded with 'independence'. Dr Buthelezi toyed with a similar approach in South Afrika. Why did you abandon your fellow citizens your very own country people????

You seem to forget that Zambia and Zimbabwe were one country together with Malawi. And as a result the people of this part of Afrika enjoyed the freedom of movement throughout the three contries including Mozambique. You guys left us in a latch and broke away and be rewarded with 'independence'. Dr Buthelezi toyed with a similar approach in South Afrika. Why did you abandon your fellow citizens your very own country people????

There you go onezimsoul1, Zimbabwe does not have enemies! The Mugabe regime is the one with enemies. Until we stop confusing Mugabe with Zimbabwe, we will never get what's wrong with us. The idea of Mugabe's infaliability should be buried. You are an enemy of Zimbabwe if you criticize the murderer Mugabe! Can somebody be exclusively in solidarity with the suffering majority Zimbabweans and shun the murderer Mugabe? What is the point of all those killings on the watch of Mugabe? We Zimbabweans want peace. We don't care who it is, we do no like oppressors. It could be Tsvangirai or whoever, we will criticize. Right now it's Mugabe and he is deseverdly being criticized. We need runyararo. VaMugabe vari kukanganisa. Ngazvitaurwe! Hondo hatide. Hatide mhirizhonga. Tinoda kudya tichiguta. Zvapera.

Very well then Pet, Mugabe and Zanu Pf are killing the innocent and mounting notorious camps all over Mashonaland. I encourage you to condemn with the strongest sense these murderous activities of the Zimbabwean people. Don’t stop! The Zimbabwean problem must be solved through a peaceful ballot, and it is going to be settled soon, let it be! We do not want to galvanize differences by employing skewed and irrational pranks that only lead to anger from either party for the victims are the ordinary people. If one cannot help don’t disturb, whoever brings misery and death to Zimbabweans is the enemy of Zimbabwe. I am at all not impressed by polarizing the Zimbabwe discourse, suffocating all avenues for a peaceful internal settlement that must usher economic prosperity to the people. Let all leaders be responsible to bring foes to some rational understanding to save lives of the innocent. Ambassadors from Britain and USA are fueling anger by acting like mercenaries here yet they can not defend the victims from their charades. Some love to make groups of noisemakers yet they don’t vote here, this only serve to have people beaten more for they blindly think these idiots are bringing salvation now but true salvation is in the hands of voters. Why should Zambia chair be influenced by non-SADC member states to invoke an ill fated summit while SADC established protocols for Zimbabwe? The non voters provoke magandanga and magandanga beat the people then nonvoters will say, “look we told you, these magandanga are terrorists don’t sent food aid nor advance loans to Mugabe government and the people suffer more after magandanga have beaten them! Why can’t we vote Mugabe out with our bellies full of food and our economy running, are we sub humans who need to be treated bad in order to vote Mugabe out? We are being driven like donkey-drawn carts to vote Mugabe out; so you think those driving us are our friends?

Dont listen to romours. Was Levy influenced by non-SADC states? Levy is a smart guy and He wants to help SADC. Having a crisis in Zim affects the whole of SADC. Zim should appreciate Levy's effort to help them. The commend Levy not to be derailed by such comments as Chinamasa's. Well, even if he was influenced by the West, it was for the good of Zimbabwe. Zim is in a crisis, which Mbeki can't see, and the crisis can only be bresolved thru dialogue. How can you have a quarter of your own people living abroad? What is a crisis if this is not? Zimbabweans have suffered at the hands of Mugabe's sympathisers. It's time for change.

OneSoulZim1, Zimbabwe is not an 'Island'. She does not exist exclisively. She is not independent but interdependent. It's a reality that you can only verbally deny. You cannot functionally deny it. Chakupa ronda chati nhunzi dzikudye! You cannot have your cake and eat it too. You want to accept their aid without listening to their criticism. If Mugabe does something wrong, he has to be criticized. If anybody does something wrong, he has to be criticized for that matter. Why then does one become an enemy simply because he has criticized? There is no doubt Mugabe wants to continue with his politics of patronage, politics of kleptocracy and oppression. How did find ourselves fighting a scourge of more than 1 million % inflation(I decided against putting all the zeros, I do not want to confuse our older readers!). Anyway, an enemy can only be an enemy if he/she threatens Mugabe's failed leadership? We need SADZA and not sovereignty! After, all we can only defend our sovereignty when our bellies are full. (This does not in any way means that we should kiss somebody's ass to survive. It simply means that we are overemphasizing sovereignty and not materiel issues!) We do not want to be made beggers by a failed leadership. If Zimbabwe wants to be part of the club, then she got to abide by the rules of the club. Mugabe can't have it both ways! Did you just hear what Grace Mugabe (that Charlatan)said? Are you going to tell me that we should dismiss her as an ignoramous? I would agree!

Peter C, the Canadian Rhodesian Zimbabwean... Every country has an enemy, this include Zimbabwe. Given Mugabe's stand on white minority white farmers...how could you possibly say Zimbabwe has no enemies? (You may kid yourself that people hate Mugabe, but not Zimbabwe). You just have to read the comments on Zimbabwe in the anglo white world in the UK, Australia, Newzealand or South Africa to realize how much Zimbabwe has enemies. Sure, I can also say I hate white Britons, but I do not hate Indian Britons. Or I wish half of london would be drowned by the sea so that British people would stop their endless debate on Zimbabwe....But I don't hate Londons...Or a good Briton is a dead one, except the ones that are retardand..... Different races and cultures can interprete that in different ways. I reject your analysis. Zimbabwe has enemies....Please do not lie, I'm not Lobenguela to be lied to!

Phiri, no country has enemies. It's the leaders who declare themselves enemies for their own interests. Didn't we think the US were enamies with Cuba? The next president Obama says no to that. That's leadership not enmity.

Let's have some of those comments that show how Zimbabwe itself has enemies. Show us something which was directed at Zimbabwe as a whole and not the ruling Junta of Sir Robert Mugabe KCB.

Robert Mugabe does not equal Zimbabwe.

London isn't coastal Phiri, it cant be overwhelmed by the sea, buy an atlas. You should google, "The Thames Flood Barrier", it will stop more of your hateful wishful thinking.

"Or a good Briton is a dead one, except the ones that are retardand", Phiri I'm pretty sure you cannot see the irony of misspelling the word RETARDED.

I'm pretty sure that wasnt an Ivy League college you attended in the US.

Phiri, can you please can you explain to me. WHO or What is a Zimbabwean?

Yes please - can we have the definitive definition of what makes a human being a 'Zimbabwean'? From many comments on here, not to mention everything Zanu-PF say, it seems that a Zimbabwean must be: 1) ethnically Shona, or at least black in skin colour 2) must unreservedly support Zanu-PF as the only legitimate political organisation in Zimbabwe. Any deviation from this simple definition means that one is a non-Zimbabwean, imperialist, capitalist, racist, anglo-saxon white (in mind if not in DNA & appearance), who deserves only starvation, beating, assault and 're-education' at best or death at worst if discovered by fervently true 'Zimbabweans' to be in the area of Africa that is now demarcated as 'Zimbabwe' (all lines kindly drawn by the white anglo saxons in their imperialist African land-grab in competition with the Franco, Germanic and Iberian whites).

Can someone also explain the meaning of 'free' as used in the old revolutionary ZANLA poster I have a picture of that states 'Zimbabwe must be Free!'? With so many differing viewpoints being expressed, I don't know what 'free' means any more in the 'zimbabwean' context.

I bet Phiri and the rest of them will remain mute on the question. Phiri I defy you to answer and if you don't we will know why.

Kubatana6 wasn't mute on this point. He's stated in other threads that no white person can be a Zimbabwean, even if four generations of their family were born there. All whites are "Rhodesians" to him.

Africa32, right now under the regime of Mugabe, freedom means freedom to squander the country's coffers, freedom to amass the peoples' wealth and land while they flee with hunger, freedom to murder with no questions asked, freedom to make laws at one's whim, and freedom to deny citizens freedom.

Kjrs120, you are also one of the wisecrackers on this website. Yes, there is such a thing like Zimbabwean citizen and non-zimbabwean. Citizenship can be By birth, by descend or even race etc. You are trying to confuse the issues, by claims of no-mans land etc. Anglo white settlers and other colonialists try to play this game about citizenship.

Phiri you just said someone can be Zimbabwean by birth. What about someone born there with white skin? Are they Zimbabwean? What is an Anglo white settler? I'm not seeing anyone in a hurry to settle in Zimbabwe.

See, Phiri thinks anyone who challenges him with a question is a wisecracker. :-S

Phiri, in spite of Glyph explaining to you what wisecracker means you continue to use it because in your stupid mind you think it is a derogatory term. When it comes to matters of the preservation of life, I do not joke around. I deal with life of pain, death and bereavement( yes joy too) from the moment I open my eyes to the moment I close them - sometimes very little shut eye. SO when I tell you that Mugabe and you lot who are causing so much misery are less than scum, know where I am coming from. Now to my question. Who is a Zimbabwean? You said it was one who is either born in Zimbabwe or by naturalization. Right? MY next question is What were those farmers who were so badly beaten and had their farms taken away and given to Mugabe and his ministers? Where were they born? You for instance Phiri, as I have questioned before, Where were you forefathers born? To me your last name suggests you originated from Malawi or Zambia area because Phiri is perhaps Nyanja or one of those tribes and not Shona or Ndebele. How come you are afforded all rights as a Zimbabwean and not the farmers? Because they are white and you are black and it is racism. To be fair then, the very land that everyone is grappling for does not belong to anyone but the San People as they were always there and the rest like you Phiri, came from all sorts of places just like those farmers. Shake your own family tree and see what falls before you continue being a racist wiseacre.

There is not any single individual who is completely identical to the other like clones, if you are black the next black guy does not look like you, if white, brown, red or choc I bet you are miles apart in similarity with this “one of you”. Interaction has gone skin deeper for we now live in a better understanding of our natural differences in God’s creative beauty. Imperial establishments still have a race nuance in their fortresses; other leaders of the world have to be identified by the marginalized race groups to survive as national socio-economic entities. There are black Britons born in Great britain with Zim parents but will never come to be a Magumbo Queen of England or Chihera Her Majesty in England, we must not dream of a Mhofu King of Spain or a Gushungo Bahraini. Imperial establishments feed on other nation’s resources while gratifying their monarchial heads i.e. through their heavily invested multi-corporations, body politic, judiciary, military, etc. Once one establishment favors the Caucasians as superior race then African leaders and nations have to be identified by their tone of skin. In a Pan-Africanist establishment that seeks to reverse colonial disparities based on race there is no white person who is truly African for there will be no black African person who will serve as leader of imperial Europe or Asia. Nationalities and citizenry today serve for statistical purposes of a given country but can not serve the qualifications of regional souls. Once black one is always an African in soul and will be celebrated as African though one might not even know the direction of Africa or his ancestors of 500 years.

Onesoulzim, every person should proudly celebrate who they are; their culture, race, tribe and gender. No matter how far we go, we never forget the place of our birth. Even though our colours may be different, we are all human beings with the same appendages, body and spirit. Colour is only skin deep. It is however, our actions and words and our behaviour towards one another that determine our worth as human beings and that's what sets us apart from the animal kingdom. As I understand it, the whole aim for the liberation struggle fought throughout Africa was to stamp out racial supremacy and racism, oppression and to attain freedom for all. So when I still see racism, oppression, lack of freedom and rampant killings being the order of the day, then what was the use of that struggle. Every country has its laws but those laws must apply to every citizen no matter what colour they are. I know for sure that in America, as long as you are born there no matter what colour or generation you are, if you can deliver to the people, you can even become a president. Look at Senator Obama, even though he is black with a Kenyan father, he might very well be the next president. Why? Because he is born in America and therefore by law, he is an American. So can you enlighten me about the law regarding citizenship in Zimbabwe. To me it seems if you are born there of white ancestry you are not a Zimbabwean or you are only a Zimbabwean if the government does not want anything you posses. On the other hand if you are born there of black ancestry no matter where your ancestors hailed from, you are Zimbabwean to posses whatever. If that is so then that is racism and discrimination. Correct me if I am wrong.

Kjrs120, the Zimbabwean-ness in you must be earned. Nationalities have the social, political and material dimensions. Zimbabwe had been polarized on race issues for 100 years. The British colonial modus operandi was CULTURAL SEGREGATION where blacks, mixed race (coloureds), Indians and whites had their separate neighborhoods. The Portuguese colonial system was based on CULTURAL ASSIMILATION where every citizen must look, eat and talk Portuguese, racial mixing was therefore faster. Our former white farmers had created their economic citadel on national resources (land/mines) while, unfortunately, they did not participate on national issues for; justifiably, the black Zimbabwean’s sovereign pride was based on the defeat of their white domination. The fact that our white nationals did not regard themselves as fellow countrymen for they cared less about the politics, sports, and many public national events due to their economic clout and also marveled on dual citizenship, and classified themselves as a race on an economic journey in Africa. This also qualifies Indian Zimbabweans today; however, Indians are fairly acceptable for they are not interested in national resources in doing their service businesses. I bought a small farm in 1998 and unfortunately all my fellow farm owners who were whites, though born Zimbabweans, regarded themselves as from England, Germany or any European country they originated from which I accepted with no reservations up till our farms’ values were made worthless by government. We could not even share bereavement because of the racial myth with my friends. Our coloureds folk were economically hit hard earlier and their isolative resistance has been melting faster that the whites. The younger white community here is now participating in politics and passionately showing their undisputed Zimbabwean-ness in their endeavors, I have no doubt that they have already earned their respect as unchallenged serious nationals. We love and cherish individual efforts from our white politicians and sportsmen, especially in cricket, tennis and swimming but we do not appreciate the rift in our communal activities. The majority blacks here look like they are genuinely anxious to have every Zimbabwean race socially join together as was their aim in the liberation struggle. Our white fellows must not sadly show their black nationals that their african-ness is for material convenience as once observed by Tiny Roland and Dr Stamps. Sadly, we have reverse racism on most white Zimbabweans as the citizenry is scrambling for the limited national resources of land and mining rights, our white fellows are being sidelined. The gvt we have today seem to be erroneously punishing the once prosperous white farming community as payback to the ill treatment blacks continued to receive from whites after the 1980 reconciliation. The former farmers seem to have taken a militant approach to unseat the gvt through all means necessary with the help of their kith and kin in Europe. From no political background 6 of the opposition MDC’s top leadership was white. The risk is that our white farmers have no respect for the Zimbabwean-ness as dictated by perceived social integration but would want their papers to advantage them in their continuance to the control of national resources. A proxy govt is therefore their hope for their citizen documentations to be considered, this is delaying a national problem to me. The support our Zimbabwean whites have from Europe ridicule black liberation struggles for emancipation much to the chagrin of the region and Africa. Mistakes of the current gvt are consequently seen in the continent as less threatening than the re-insurgence of white economic domination through a proxy gvt led by some African brothers. It is my belief that if our white folk drop the desire to control land and mining resources on a Privileged Plata then they will be regarded just as our good Asian Zimbabweans. I envisage a bloody war of “liberation” against good white fellows as the circumstances continue to deteriorate. North America is a marvel democracy but what is in US is historically accurate for blacks are the oldest race after the red Indians and Caucasians, why then are blacks the poorest of all American races pitting poor Latino economic migrants for menial jobs? You can not have black leadership in Europe, Arab world or Asia for, again, accurate historical rationale that applies to Africa too. It is ghostly thus to have whites forming gvts or proxy gvts in other continents while they can not fathom a black king in their regions of origin. White Europe that continues to harass African gvts through their interference is weird to me. The generation of our fellow white Zimbabweans must appreciate that matters of national resources (land/minerals) are delicate to the majority black fellow citizen and to shun despondency is to invest in other areas of service business. I am black and have lost investments in a farm purchase in this ugly war but I understand the causalities and accept the verdict and MOVED ON!

Onesoulzim, thank you for your response and I appreciate where you are coming from. As I am not Zimbabwean, I do not not see as a Zimbabwean as to how the country MUST be run, how its people MUST be treated, and how its ethnicities MUST be regarded. I perceive the world by what I know SHOULD be done for peace and prosperity from the freedom and great liberties that I enjoy from the country I live in where one's prosperity is attained through education and hard work and not by race. You are right about 'moving on' But as we move on, we should resist beating ourselves about the past and being suspicious of one another. Our past should teach us to do better and not perpetuate the hurt but be prudent without violence. Every country in the world has had a foreign nation invade and and even conquer it. Imagine then what little or no progress would have been attained if all nations continued being nervously suspicious of one another about the past and did not trade. I note that Mr Tsavangirai is always regarded as a 'puppet of the West' and I think that is so small sighted. You have Mugabe who is 'tough' and 'no puppet' but what has he done? Look at the place! I am so impressed with American Senator Obama's notion of dialogue with friends and foe alike. So of which nation is he 'stooge' and 'puppet'? Your perception "Our white farmers have no respect for the Zimbabwean-ness as dictated by perceived social integration" speaks volumes. I am left with the impression that they are being exclusive and discriminatory towards their black brothers and sisters, and do not hold Zimbabwe as their motherland. If that be so then it should not be tolerated. Having said that, violence and brutality should also not be tolerated no matter for what reason and no matter to whom it is being metered. Now the tables are somewhat turned. The South Africans feel a similar way about Zimbabweans as Zimbabweans feel about the white farmers "They are taking away our jobs and resources so let us brutalize them" They are even blaming Zimbabweans for the increase in violence which is so untrue as everyone knows that violence has been spiraling out of control long before Zimbabweans arrived there. So what I am also trying to say is the old adage 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you' and that violence and brutality are never the answer and should never be condoned no matter what.

Thanks Kjrs120, I agree in Toto all what you said about violence. I consider Zimbabweans to be a conciliatory people and I always have heard these remarks from our visitors across the world. Sometimes we have been referred to as a docile lot by British tabloids for not physically confronting our political challenges. We believe our political question calls for dialogue because as we are all Zimbabweans we must map out a future that betters every child in future. Our situation now has deteriorated; we are in a war situation where the majority poor and criminals are burning houses in the name of partisanship. Forgive my logic but this was sure coming after tremendous influence and persuasions from the international community that is radical to the incumbent gvt. When we went to vote only a month ago we were freely discussing our body politic, freely campaigning in public places sharing our ideas about the future, it was marvelous I tell you. It is my belief that unwarranted international influence plays a very negative role to our infant democracy. Political polarization has gone confrontational with huge pay cheques for perpetrators from both sides of the divide. British and American ambassadorial contractual obligations have been swapped for hard party line regime change exercises. The militant attitude from both ZANU and MDC is shocking given that only last month everybody was a friend to everyone. We have power here as an electorate and we sure know how to employ our might through the ballot paper hence we wish all our friends out there not to “teach” us about what is good for us, Zimbabwe has received a fair education that matches the one in britain and America. We can not be taught democracy now for we started edifying it through a protracted military struggle and we don’t wish to be retrogressive neither. DO NOT PREACH TO US REGIME CHANGE, WE KNOW BETTER. There is no gvt that lives forever no matter how much it is loved by its people. The delicacy of our situation can only be put on fire by reckless interference of suspicious mercenary elements of the international community. Obama is an e.g. of good maturing American democracy. Firstly Obama earned his American-ness just like Arnold terminator and some American Latinos (former AG) and blacks (Gondy). Obama could have chosen to be Kenyan or a Moslem but his love and sacrifice for motherland makes him an undisputed all American fellow. In the same America we are yet to see the black community coming of age and equaling with their fellow white community on prosperity matters. Given the sad black history of America we learn that racism, xenophobia, nepotism and religious intolerance do not go over night. Our white fellows here, like those in America will one day come to terms with the reality that times have shifted, this epoch does not tolerate privileges on national resources based on race only because their forefathers managed to kill more of the other race before. Our black brothers in leadership here can not copy or imitate terrible actions white folk did to control national resources against both the white and black natives.

Onesoulzim, I tried my hardest to read your post as open minded as I could, but am left with conflicting messages. You talk of showing might through the ballot box - ordinarily - a great thing. But whose ballot box might? If it is Mugabe's as I feel you are one of his strong supporters,then you very well know that his ballot box is a means of cheating, intimidation and even death of the electorate, and might is only through brutal force. On one hand you have Mr Tsvangirai with no military might but many scars from Mugabe's brutality and just dependence on voter power.On the other hand you have Mugabe with all the might of the corrupt military, corrupt police and judiciary, with the army publicly announcing to the whole country that they have allegiance to no one but Mugabe. Further more you have the chief of police openly ordering people to vote for Mugabe.I don't call that might. I call that lawlessness. In some areas of your post you state "We are in a war situation" With Whom? Do you consider the electorate process a 'war' situation? As far as I know it should be a process of choosing one's leader without force or hindrance. You also speak of international influence playing a negative role in Zimbabwe. What international influence? By what countries? You further say "The militant attitude from both ZANU and MDC is shocking given that only last month everybody was friend to everyone" As far as I know these two have always been at logger heads, with Mugabe wanting to screw Tsvangirai up at every turn. Mr Tsvangirai has been severely beaten by Mugabe's hoodlums so many times - where is the friendship? As far as the black Americans are concerned it's education, education. In a capitalist society, you cannot ordinarily advance and prosper without a good education. Many young men are not educating themselves and find many jobs beneath them so they would rather roam the streets selling drugs and getting into trouble with the law. Meanwhile the Mexicans see a great opportunity and seize these jobs. The blacks then complain that the Mexicans are taking their jobs. Pretty soon the black community will find itself well bellow the Mexicans in terms prosperity.Finally I was left with the impression that you too are blaming everyone else for the failures of Mugabe and you are trying your level best to make him look like a victim when in actual fact he is the victimizer.

Glyph, you answered your own questions. Of cause they are a small number of Zimbabweans who are white and anglo. Zimbabwe, has not sent them to concentration camps!! But, rather more than one, serve in Parliament today. Get your facts clear. All Southern Africa has a tiny white minority population, who happen to be citizens. They are not above the law or above the majority, as they were once told during colonial racists rule.

Wouldn't that just make them White Zimbabweans? Where did the anglo bit come from?

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And as you've said before Kuba no white person can be Zimbabwean hey! All whites born in Zimbabwe, even after 1980, are "Rhodesians". You really are a sad, pathetic racist and nomatter how much you try divert attention from yourself by accusing others of your sins we will always be able to see straight through you.

Typical kubatana answer, why am I not suprised.

Small mind, grow a brain, nobody, dick-head, dumb ass rhodesians, you are sick, racist, "lair", pull your head in....just a few selections of kubatanas reasoned and so very cerebral responses to some really quite innocent and resonable questions put to him by fellow site visitors. He can't even spell some of his insults. Do we respond in kind and sink to his level? I think I personally come down on the side of sympathy.....no; PITY. I mean it is obvious to all that he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed and he wasn't blessed with the keenest intellect. Yes thats it, Kubatana6 I pity you, you poor dilluded soul.

Glyph, I could not have said it better. I would further suggest that Kubatana should repeat all his 'cerebral responses' whilst he looks at himself in the mirror.

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*roflmfao*

Kubatana, you are just as useless as an old dish rag. Curse all you want and it really doesn't bother me because it just shows you have absolutely no class and in fact I expect it from you because that is what brain-washed stooges do. So go ahead, continue looking into that mirror and curse all you want.

cunts? haha, a sign of frustration coming out there for sure. How are things in New Zealand anyways Kube? Can I send you a blanket? Must be getting really cold over there you poor sole.... must be so hard? Maybe your family in Zimbabwe can send you some of thier valuable Zimbabwe Dollars to help you out. I mean, Zimbabwe is in such great shape afterall....

If you're white and were born in Zimbabwe then Kuba calls you a "Rhodesian". If you're white and you disagree with him then he calls you a "racist".

Call us what you like Kuba it doesn't make any difference. People see through your lies. All you're doing is making yourself look more bitter and desperate. Much like your hero Mugabe.

Mindpower, Kubatana is just one of those spineless people who just follow along not knowing where they are going.

Thanx for the debates will get mysely involved in the lively topical issues raised