Uh Oh! Mbeki has lost the plot too. His spokesman denied existance of the letter you think they are embarassed? but the US admits receiving it?

"Africa is mine"? maybe he's been hanging out with Sir Robert Mugabe KCB for a little too long.

"His spokesman denied existance of the letter you think they are embarassed? but the US admits receiving it"?

Do you think other people are completely stupid? According to the reoprt, "South African officials could neither confirm nor deny the existence of the letter".

Adding your interpretation, in particular, to reported facts is neither helpful nor truthful.

Absolutely thoughtless that. Where do you think America got its riches from? How do you think it keeps getting rich in order that it can give what you call food aid. Let me tell you, it gets that from its foriegn policy, of which this is one of them and for as long as it is never challenged those with a beggars' mind like you will continue to taint our future and hopes to be anything at all.

I amm sorry that you are now unable to think outside the box, but then you are in the majority of the world's people. As proven by a world majority which sits and protects the wealth of a small minority. Shame unto you and the world.

"Last night Mbeki's spokesman, Mukoni Ratshitanga, said he had no knowledge of Mbeki's letter to Bush. However, an official of the US embassy in Pretoria confirmed that Bush had received the letter".

I have no knowlege, I don't recall, I cannot recollect, I am not aware of.........can nither confirm nor deny.

Interpret it anyway you like, it's not like they were advertising or indeed trumpeting Mr. Mbekis stern rebuke of Bush now is it?

If it wasn't commented on by Gerson it's doubtful the South African government would have commented on it. Indeed they appear to be distancing themselves from it. It was obviously a unilateral act on the part of Mbeki because a large section of the SA government are itching to see it.

So there's been no denial. Moving on, according to the Washington Post columnist, Mbeki sent the damning letter to Bush in late April.

About three weeks ago, out of the blue, unexplained, unexpected and unprecedented violence erupts against migrants in South Africa.

The US Emabssy in Pretoria confirms the letter was received from Mbeki and that 'the White House is working on a response' - even up to a month later. One imagines the White House may have responded sooner than that....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/27/AR200805270 2556.html

http://www.pretorianews.co.za/?fSectionId=665&fArticleId=vn2008052911543452 2C423994

So your interpretation is that the violence in South Africa is a direct result of Mbekis letter to Bush, can't say I am suprised.

My interpretation of the South African reaction to Mbekis letter to Bush you discounted out of hand. I see that the option of interpretation on this thread, however outlandish is only open to you.

"Don't do as I do; do as I say"?

"So your interpretation is that the violence in South Africa is a direct result of Mbekis letter to Bush" - You may say so, I couldn't possibly comment. Not to mention there is still no confirmation from Mbeki.

"My interpretation of the South African reaction to Mbekis letter to Bush you discounted out of hand". - The fact remains there is no reported denial as you earlier claimed.

"I see that the option of interpretation on this thread, however outlandish is only open to you. "Don't do as I do; do as I say"? - Now you've lost me. The basic call is to "butt out" of Africa. How difficult is that concept to understand and act on?

"Adding your interpretation, in particular, to reported facts is neither helpful nor truthful."

"according to the Washington Post columnist, Mbeki sent the damning letter to Bush in late April.

About three weeks ago, out of the blue, unexplained, unexpected and unprecedented violence erupts against migrants in South Africa. "

your inferrence was about as subtle as a war-veterans reorientation session

Ping-Pong!

I am sure I have no idea what you mean. Please, say what you mean and say it straight. Thank you in advance. You see, I am the product of the British education system and have long learned that insinuation and denial are par for the course when dealing with African topics. Please, what are you trying to say I am saying? ;-)

If indeed you are the product of the British education system then you have indeed been fortunate, congratulations. Your comment was less of an insinuation and more of a ......well a comment due to it's lack of subtlety as I said earlier. You havent quite mastered insinuation yet; as for denial anyone who reads your posts can see that you are firmly in entrenched in a state of denial.;-)

So Mbeki writes an angry letter to Bush and he retaliates by arranging for people to kill each other in SA? Don't you think that's more than a little far fetched!??!? You're jumping to conclusions, and based on what? Evidence? Facts? Nope, it's all wild speculation. Sounds like a fitting article for The Herald :-D

Poor Mbeki - because he does not agree with the western worlds meddling in Zimbabwean affairs his a bad guy. And they say it's not a black/white issue????? The bottom line is that the Zimbabwean situation is motivated by white racists.

Every white person is a "white racist" to you Kuba. If Obama Barack wins the US presidency who will you have to blame?

Oh no,no,no Mindy i target you and your rhodie cronies that just cannot accept the fact that the white man is losing land which he stole anyway. To you ANY black man will do as long as you can control him. Myself and others on this site have noticed your agenda and you canot pull the wool over our eyes. Do you really think ALL black people are going to believe those outdated, racist tactics that rhodes and smith used? WE KNOW YOUR AGENDA!

Kuba, I don't know how many times I have to say it, I DON'T CARE WHO HAS THE LAND. What good is land to me? All I want is for Zimbabweans to live a good life. I want Zimbabwe to be prosperous so I don't have to keep sending money back to Zim just to keep my family alive. Get it?

By the was purely as an aside, my interpretation of Mbekis spokesmans comment on neither confirming or denying the esistance of the letter, as someone who has dealt with the senior levels of the civil service for many years is this:

"I cannot confirm or deny the existence of the letter"

equals:

"Oh cr@p what has the silly b@5tard gone and done now!!"

He was probably drunk again and forgot, so as in the words of Ronald Regan, "I have no recollection about that"

What will Thabo Mbeki say if George W Bush provide South Africa with food aid ? It looks like he ( SA ) is going to need it soon looking at te current turmoil in his own country. Was he not actively involved with the US to bring on sanctions against South Africa ? The sooner he goes the better.

dont we just love african dictators who loose the plot. Mbeki what ever would you do if the usa launched one tomohawk missle at mugabe? scream blue murder at the usa when you have now caused more deaths in zimbabwe than any other foreign intervention.mbeki its time you went too. bye "totsiens", and for mugabe "humba"

Jeffjedi, how about adding "Footsak!"

For Mugabe it's more like "Ibvapo iwe!"

The whole world is laughing at Mbeki!

We feel sorry for the South Africans for having such an incompetent leader.

Long live the Pan-Africanism!!!!!!!!!

If you think that Pan-Africanism is all about coming to the defence of totalitarianism, then your understanding of it is shallow and misdirected. What Mbeki has done is to tell Bush to back off, fine, but he has no solutions to the zimbabean problems. Pan-Africanism is about African development and betterment of the Africans' lives. It is about the advancement and development of democracy and democratic institutions. Its about respecting the wishes of the majority, creating employment for people who have suffered long periods of suffering and disenfrachisement from the oppressive colonial regimes. Pan-africanism is not to replace one oppressive regime with another. Think twice my brother. I guess you have not suffered what most Zimbabweans are being subjected to. If you have not, Back off. Stop chanting your misguided notion of Pan_africanism.

Pan-Africanism has done such a good Job, starvation in so many countries, Africa is the only continent where the poor are increasing and only the leaders seem to get richer. Democracy is on a decline, human rights are in decline. Gambia passes laws to execute Gays, Ethiopia in gross starvation. NEPAD seems was just another ruse to extract more money from America and Europe, there seems to be no good governance in Africa.

Thinking is a gift that we all should have but hear that, you are helpless.What on earth is the whole world? How have you come to that conclusion! You EXIST and not LIVE! Sorry about you state, because tha difference between you and a tree is that you have a possibility to start living any moment you decide to self determine. Anytime you decide to be something!

But being raised in a dominated world you are so weak to rise above the water level. Sink dear prodical, you don't even have the desire to be someone, you think and believe you have not the right nor capability. You are so convienced by the world around you that you are essentially what the world has made out of you. Please be a world maker don't always be made by the world.

Shame on you but have the peace in the thought that the same way you are treated so are ordinary Americans.

when all is said and done, I can't believe that all the opposition party's in South Africa don't wake and form a united stand against the ANC. Clearly they (South Africans)must realize that this is not a government that has it's people's interrest at heart?? Lets get rid of them!

Well I am an American and to wish Mr Bush would stay out of Africa, I do not feel it my obligation, as an American citizen to have my tax money sent to any African nation. I know South Africa better than most Americans I know a white hater when I see one. I think some country to step in and stop that mad man north of you. We see how well your government and your people handle adversity, butchery and in effective government. Mbeki is a total loser and has ruined South Africa with all his china's feeding from the trough, won't be long before South Africa will be like the rest of the continent, a few leaders living the life of leisure whilst the citizens suffer. Mbeki your four page letter was used as loo paper my friend, perhaps you might want to shut your trap. Where would your country be without America and Europe, you'd be more third world than you are.

In 2002 Bush’s government formulated a bill that was to stop/influence/ command ALL board members of international finance institutions where USA has interest from voting against ALL loans/credits/grants advancement to Zimbabwe so as to crush the economic development of the country and encourage internal strife caused by hunger. Some of the institutions where America has some investments are Development Banks of Africa, Asia, Europe; IFC, IMF, WB etc.. The bill was to put Zimbabwe out of the international financial trade community while the British government forges a negative political onslaught on Zimbabwe through its government and tabloid influence in Europe, Asia and Africa including China, in so doing, making Zimbabwe government a poor investment destination. By taking land Mugabe was to be perceived as a white man hater of first degree who must be STOPPED by all white Europe for he is seen as a threat to their dominance. Then British/US plan was to engage and empower a formidable opposition party and NGO to lodge a campaign for REGIME CHANGE. Mbeki can not bring a level playing field on elections in Zimbabwe as mandated by SADC if adamant Britain/US and Europe continue to meddle in the internal politics of the country. The Zimbabwe Vote’08 is therefore seen as a wealthy west’s election interest against poverty-stricken black Africa’s resources.

I'm not seeing what that has to do with Mbekis letter. What you just wrote we can see on any thread on the Zimbabwe part of the site. Try a post detailing on the wanton corruption of the majority of the African Leadership for a change.

The world has long known that there is little if no hope of forced, externally-driven regime change in Zimbabwe without the assistance of SADC countries, South Africa in particular.

It is no surprise, in light of repeated failed attempts to affect regime change in Zimbabwe, that eternal efforts are now being made, with rigour, to destabalise the government of South Africa including the recent attacks on migrants which to all intents and purpose and according to most commentators, have come completely out of the blue; Africans are no strangers to forced migrantions, extreme violence and murder of African migrants is brand new to the continent. All parties are trying to ascertain and understand the source and impetus of the recent, unprecedented violence in South Africa.

Bush should butt out. SADC and the AU are already on the case. American Ambassadors making special requests for opposition leaders to come back home to battle in run-off elections! I ask you, whatever next???

Like I said, "déjà vu" a predictable post from a, "pan-African". The same post we can see on a million other threads. Africans are killing eachother in SA, obviously a white conspriracy, "eternal efforts are now being made, with rigour, to destabalise the government of South Africa" totally obvious because Africans wouldn't for one moment show agression to other Africans or even commit a crime, oh hell no. The SADC and the AU are already on the case, GOOD LUCK, by the time they have decided who sits next to whom and what colour the table is going to be, and ultimately who is going to pay it will have escalated as it invariabley does when the AU starts to have meetings about meetings about meetings and working groups about facilitating dialogue between interested parties, empowering and raising awareness and blah blah blah blah!!! while people kill eachother.

The number of Africans killing each other in South Africa (fifty dead in three weeks makes headline news around the world) compares to Europeans killing each other in, say, France, Spain, the UK or Americans in the US killing Americans over the same period of time, how?

People kill each other all over the world. You're right, Africans don't need assistance to attack other Africans like any other nation across the world needs no assistance, so why the continued interest? Each region around the world has it's own problems so deal with them.

You say, "a predictable post from a, "pan-African"", whilst you proceed to write a typically predictable and inert post yourself. Both the UK and the US have fast growing and undeniable problems with knife and gun crime. They should busy themselves with addressing such homegrown, immediate and urgent issues instead of prying elsewhere..."while people kill each other"

Ahh I apologise selector obviously too few people have died for there to be any world attention. *Shakes head in disbelief*. In the UK with a population of 61million the last statistics recorded 587 males and 231 females murdered in a 12 month period. Just 50 people out of the 900, thousand (estimate *LMAO*) in South Africa in three weeks...........hmmm. It's not looking good is it? Shall we all just turn a blind eye because it isn't serious enough yet?

No need for an apology, Glyph. Comparing the world financial centre (the UK) with a developing country like South Africa where AIDs and poverty are rife and life expectancy is nearly half of that in the UK is fair and sensible comparison, if you say so.

Relatively speaking, I argue that the UK has equal problems to South Africa. There are many in the UK who would welcome government efforts to deal with and directly address these issues instead of spending so much time and effort abroad.

The UN classifies South Africa as a middle-income country with an abundant supply of resources, well-developed financial, legal, communications, energy, and transport sectors, a stock exchange (the JSE Limited), that ranks among the top twenty in the world, and a modern infrastructure supporting an efficient distribution of goods to major urban centres throughout the entire region.

South Africa is ranked 20th in the world in terms of GDP (PPP) as of 2007($13.000).

Would welcome government efforts to deal with what in the UK?

If you want to go west, The US has a murder rate of 6 per 100000 in South Africa it is 59 per 100000, second in the world only to Columbia. Lets not even think of the rape figures.

"The UN classifies South Africa as a middle-income country with an abundant supply of resources, well-developed financial, legal, communications, energy, and transport sectors, a stock exchange (the JSE Limited), that ranks among the top twenty in the world, and a modern infrastructure supporting an efficient distribution of goods to major urban centres throughout the entire region. South Africa is ranked 20th in the world in terms of GDP (PPP) as of 2007($13.000)".

LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL!

Based on most of the 13% non-black minority population being extremely wealthy and most of the 87% black majority population being extremely and some abjectly poor. The figures speak volumes. Thank you very much for drawing attention to them.

So what are you laughing at? The bad governance by the ANC and Mbeki?

If I may start with the wanton corruption of the majority of the european leadership against Africa and Zimbabwe in particular for a change.

"So what are you laughing at"?

I was laughing and am still laughing at your ridiculous suggestion and pointless figures trying to show that South Africa and black South Africans, in particular, are not mainly poor.

selector, are you incapable of following a simple thread? Glyph wrote those violence in SA statistics in response to your claim that UK violence is as bad as in SA. Where did he say that black South Africans aren't mostly poor? As usual you're taking different comments out of context.

You claimed UK violence is as bad as in SA. And you think you should be the one laughing? Like Glyph I have to shake my head in disbelief. :-S

"... are you incapable of following a simple thread? Glyph wrote those violence in SA statistics in response to your claim that UK violence is as bad as in SA..."

mindpower, I wrote that violence in the UK and the US was as bad as SA, further qualifying it with use of the important word, "relatively", in response to a post by Glyph ending, "...the AU starts to have meetings about meetings about meetings and working groups about facilitating dialogue between interested parties, empowering and raising awareness and blah blah blah blah!!! while people kill each other".

I should, rather, ask if you and the likes of Glyph are able to follow a simple thread? It seems you are able to follow one (or take it off topic as you please) so long as you can ply your own arguments but as soon your arguments are exposed for the nonsense they are, or challenged and shown to be of little substance, you fall back on the rules of debate. Once a person introduces a subject to a debate expect it to be fair game for being torn apart.

All things are relative and nothing exists abstactly or in isolation. The levels of violence in the UK & US are "relatively" comparable to those in the SA, and in any relative comparison poverty (a mjor issue in SA as with any developing country - which neither the UK or US are) plays a factor. Glyph failed when he tried to retort that SA isn't poor.

"Where did he say that black South Africans aren't mostly poor"? - Mind you don't trip over yourself, mindpower. The very statistics that you refer to at the start of your post were Glyph's attempt to show and prove that SA is as wealthy, "relatively" speaking no doubt, as the UK and US. All he/she forgot to add was that wealth distribution in SA is extremely unfair, leaving the vast majority of the population poor.

Please try to keep up.

You interpret those crime statistics as crime being "relatively equal"? The stats are given per 10,000 people, ie RELATIVE TO THE TOTAL POPULATION. Only a complete mathematical incompetent could class them as "relatively" equal.

Go back and read Glyphs comments again. He wrote one sentence about GDP PPP and you interpret his entire message as "Glyph thinks blacks in SA are not poor". But then you do have a tendency, as I mentioned before, to take one bit of information out of context and blow it out of proportion.

The only nonsense argument being exposed here is yours and as usual you react by trying to shoot the messenger. Shame.

mindpower, you're tripping. Glyph's post begins with, "The UN classifies South Africa as a middle-income country with an abundant supply of resources, well-developed financial...". It goes on, "South Africa is ranked 20th in the world in terms of GDP..."

His/her point was clear; the poster tried to suggest that SA was comparable to a developed country in terms of economy which may well be statistically correct but was, at the very least, in the context of this thread and the argument presented, completely untrue and deceptive.

"The only nonsense argument being exposed here is yours and as usual you react by trying to shoot the messenger". - I think you'll find I was shooting the interpreter.

I interpret Glyph's comments as "SA has a lot going for it in terms of wealth, resources, infrastructure and bad management is to blame for problems there"

You interpret it as "Glyph is being devious by not saying that black South Africans are poor".

I guess we just have different outlooks :-S

"I guess we just have different outlooks" - I don't think you're wrong; Glyph's response to my claim that violent crime figures were bad the world over and relatively worse in poor countries was to post stats to suggest that SA is not poor, or needn't be....

Whilst you appear to be terribly trusting, depending of which poster you're reading, I have less faith and know well the ways and wiles of the detractor.

Let me give you an example of detraction:

Zimbabwe unilaterally declared independence in 1965, Britain and the west imposed sanctions. Britain regained control in 1979 and immediately instituted proceedings for majority rule. They agreed to pay for land reforms if the Lancaster House agreement(operative word being agreement) was abided by(it was not).

Detraction = We took the land from the British in a revolutionary war and now they want it back.

I've been in power for 28 years and I took over a prosperous economy, the economy is now wrecked.

Detraction = It's all everyone elses fault.

Selector you appear to worship a detractor.

Glyph, during the time between 1965 and 1979 when your so-called santions were in place, Zimbabwe reamined one of the largest trading partners in neighbourhing aparthied-led South Africa. This meant sanctions on Zimbabwe were meaningless, it continued to trade internationally without hinderance.

As for santions on South Africa, they too were pretty meaningless. We all know SA is was the world's leading supplier (end-customers including the UK) of industrial gold, diamonds and platinum and, no doubt, selling-on tobacco from Zimbabwe would not have been a challenge either. Not to mention SA's nuclear arsenals in case anyone in the world felt bold enough to meaningfully challenge that country - how the heck does one develop and keep nuclear weapons when effective santions are in place?

"I've been in power for 28 years and I took over a prosperous economy, the economy is now wrecked". - You forgot to mention "corrupt, internaltionally-accepted economy". Under minority white rule and majority black oppression Zimbabwe had no problems trading internationally.

As for worship, I worship the Lord, my God. It is no surprise that you're learning the techniques of your own detractors, UK-led Western media and governments and simply making suggestions where there is no evidence, whatsoever, for what you are saying.

Detration - oh look! I think I just saw another pink and green, flying Ferrari.

You know what? I accept what you're saying, sanction breaking during the Rhodesian UDI was big business and certain white people made a lot of money from it. Bredenkamp, a close friend of ZANU PF being a prime example of a man playing both sides against the middle. When the US and UK also applied sanctions to South Africa Rhodesia was down to three days supply of fuel and ammunition. A referendum was then called where the whites voted to accept majority rule. There was however no revolutionary war against the British and no serving British serviceman has seen action real or otherwise in Zimbabwe against either ZANU or ZIPRA forces.

You seem to ignore the fact that a country which had a surplus of food and a healthy export economy cannot now feed itself without aid. The removal of experienced commercial farmers from land which was then an asset to the country and is now barren speaks volumes about the poor planning and sheer bad governance by ZANU PF.

The, “fast track” land reform programme was compromised by policies which were pro-inflationary, anti export and macro economic. The negative effects of these policies are acknowledged by the government seen in the HUGE subsidies supposedly to sustain production in certain sectors of the economy. It is unfortunate to say that rather than sustaining the economy the real effect of these subsidies are distortions which provide the ruling elite with opportunities to obtain massive arbitrage profits. Total subsidy to the agricultural sector in Zimbabwe in 2005 was 19% of GDP which was more than the contribution made by agriculture to the economy in that year.

The west is not responsible for Zimbabwes agricultural policies.

Zimbabwe has become less attractive to foreign hard currency because property rights are not respected. I would not invest in the long term in a counrty which automatically assumes it is entitled to a 51.59% stake in my company; so I go for the, "quick-buck" and do not make any attempt to sustain my investment. The economic consequences of this are to be seen in capital flight, tax evasion and speculation replacing entrepreneurship that adds to national capital stock and productive capabilities. . I wonder if Sir Robert owns only 48.41% of his assets abroad?

The sanctions and asset freezes against certain party members are not sanctions against the people of Zimbabwe. You don't want the west but you want the west to extend lines of credit which will never be repaid. The accruement of arrears to both the IMF and the World Bank are a matter of record and occurred well before ZEDRA. Zimbabwe paid interest arrears in the third quarter of 2005 however this was basically a snub to South Africa who offered to repay Zimbabwe’s arrears if, "certain conditions" were met, naturally those conditions of free and fair elections, respect for human rights and imposition of the rule of law and a law enforcement subordinate to civilian society were unacceptable to the leadership of Zimbabwe.

You worship the Lord your God? Then maybe you should remember the ninth commandment. If as I suspect it is becoming increasingly difficult for those who think Comrade Sir Robert Mugabe KCB and his bunch of goons are good for Zimbabwe and everything western is bad for Zimbabwe; even to the point of looking very foolish, bearing false witness is becoming a way of life.

No Ferraris in there anywhere pink green or even Rosso Corsa.

I do not ignore the fact that the country can no longer feed itself. I think it's tragic but repeatedly point out that the country's condition is neither the sole nor the main work of Mugabe. I have also repeatedly said that a man more self-interested than Robert Mugabe would long ago have succumbed to British-led demands and sold out to foreign interest thereby ensuring all the help, assistance and co-operation Britain and her allies have to offer and will, no doubt, offer and provide the moment a lap-poodle is in place as leader to do their bidding without resistance.

I have oft said that Mugabe is past his best before date so find it strange that try to say otherwise. My stating the fact that detractors are Zimbabwe's and Zimbabweans' main enemy ought not to detract from the fact that there are others more not able to do better by the country and its people than the now old man who used to serve the country so well.

Not for the first time, I say that few know what's best or even good for Zimbabwe better than Mugabe and consequently, even he knows it's time for him to go - particularly in the face of his ever-shrinking circle of international allies; in an increasing global world it is nigh-on impossible to survive without powerful international allies.

But I stand firmly by Mugabe in his desire not to give control over to the wolves and foxes, led by British, who have been snapping at the country's door for the best part of a decade, trying every trick in the book and spreading every conceivable lie to undermine the democratically elected, by the intelligent people of the Zimbabwe, government of that country. For obvious reasons the UK government trumpets the virtues (sic) of the opposition MDC, as do the US. All three parties are self-interested and all three parties are enemies of the peace-loving people of Zimbabwe, imho.

As I said, "what are you laughing at"?. Didn't the ANC come to power on a mandate including wealth redistribution? As you kindly pointed out that has not happened and there has been no respite from grinding poverty. Now the Rainbow Nation appears to be wiping out just one of its colours. Not mismanagement, not bad governance but I'm sure you'll place it squarely at the feet of whites yet again. I dare to suggest it is more cultural than anything else.

""with our boxes of matches and our necklaces we shall liberate this country".~Mrs Winnie Mandela(Mother of the Nation of South Africa).

HaHaHaHaHa!

Mbeki is telling the U.S. not to "meddle" in Zimbabwe? That's hilarious! Apparently Pres. Mbeki thinks he is doing such a great job in regards to Zimbabwe that the U.S. should just agree to his "leadership" on the issue?

Post-Colonial Africa understandably always wants to be left alone by it's former oppressors. However, when do they ever get it right without assistance from the dreaded "West"? Even Jacob Zuma has said Zimbabwe is a problem. Zimbabwe MUST be a problem because now even the people in the Townships are attacking immigrants. And Mbeki says there is no "crisis" in Zimbabwe?

Just like Mugabe, Mbecki's end is near, if he won't solve the problem, he may as well just get out of the way!

Listen up, it is like this:

Black people cannot run a country, they will always be corrupt, greedy and plain stupid. Every country in Africa taken over by a man that looks like a piece of 'burnt toast' turns to a pile of shit.

If you look at any American basketball team, the worker or player is always black whereas the coach or management are white and this breeds a succesful team. The same should be for any country where the black people just work in my garden, clean my kitchen, polish my shoes etc etc where the white people run a successful economy.

Bring back the good old days.

Janki Joe, I detest the tone of your post. Greed and stupidity comes in all races. WAKE UP. The days of slavery are long gone and the oppression of people no longer tolerated. Do not generalize people as every one should be judged on their own merit. You are a disgusting pompous twit.

All I can say is that everything is just bigger and better in Texas. Once Presiden Bush finishes cleaning up the shit in Iraq and Afghanistan, I hope we send some nukes over to Zimbabwe and flatten the place.

A black guy walks into a bar with a beatiful parrot on his shoulder. "Wow," says the bartender. "That is really something. Where'd you get it?" "Africa," says the parrot.

... and that sums it all up.

Yanki Joe you need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century. I bet you have a little black jockey standing in your garden.

As long as people like you exist the Mugabe and those like him will have some validation. The sooner peoplke like you are gone the sooner Mugabe and those like him will be gone.

Very correct Glyph and -120, Mugabe will only step down when people like Yankee Joe are made to see the light. Unfortunately these guys are in every European government and parliament and Yankee leadership.