Talk about constant harrassment. Thats rediculous. Let me guess... another unregistered car that needed explaining?

I have read the letter to Mugabe from Africa former big pottatoes former presidents to prime ministers,former UN secretaries to people of the people of Africa.These people participated greately in the liberation of Zimbabwe even if they are not zimbamweans but they have a word for Mugabe and it shows that they are feedup with this Mugabe.They are not Britons nor American as per Mugabe song.Please Mugabe turn away from your sin do not kill your people.My Country Tanzania was one of the front line states in the liberation strugle under the late president Nyerere,we suffered a lot for the sake of Zimbabweans but we agreed to suffer hoping freedom,security to our Brothers and sisters but you have turned to be a hyena to your people.Please Mugabe comedown and reason! Your were not born to be life president. Some people the older he goes confused he becomes being enemy even to the very children of his.Do not go to such stage leave your sons and daughters of Zimbabwe to manage the country trust them and you will enjoy the fruts of thier leadership.

What can I do to save mother Africa??

As the saying goes, “East – West, Home is best”. Day in and day out, the blunt of bad leadership is continuously destroying a continent already strained by disease and other social catastrophes, as the international community looks on. Media coverage, like the one on Zimbabwe today seems to mean nothing to the Zimbabweans who are brutally murdered in cold blood. From Kenya to Zimbabwe; Somalia to Sudan; Rwanda to Burundi; Uganda to DRC; South Africa to Western Sahara; Angola to Chad; Central African Republic to Congo Brazzaville; and many other sham democracies around the continent continue to threaten lives of majority of poor Africans at the benefit of the small ruling classes. Poor citizens part with their small earnings to pay taxes to contribute to their own brutality, suffering and exploitation. Though colonialists exploited and continue to exploit the continent through neo-colonialism, the ruling classes in African countries surpass colonialism. Open murders, intimidation, harassment, mutilation and human rights abuses continue under the nose of the international community. Media coverage and strong worded statements by world leaders do so little to change anything.

Zimbabwe is a current phenomenon that is happening as everybody witnesses. African leaders seem to sound patriotic support to their fellow murderer, intimidator, tyrant, undemocratic leader at the cost of the majority of Zimbabweans. All they can talk of is a government of national unity without due consideration of the many people that have been mutilated and killed. Kenya is a story that is still fresh in our minds. Though a government of national unity was formed, the poor people were mobilized against each other while the government security forces mercilessly murdered people in front of media cameras. The sham democratic practices intended to legitimize such governments continue to be funded by the international community with evidence that they will never be free and fair. When stiff sanctions are sought, some world leaders claim that those are internal affairs of the individual countries. It’s easy to think that international structures are intended to strengthen and support such practices. Sovereignty claimed doesn’t have meaning to the Africans that suffer the impact of oppression.

It defeats where a common African can run to for help since they don’t have means to reach the capitals of the international community. They don’t have the mechanisms, but sometimes resort to whatever is in their reach. Tribal militias and brusque militant groups take up arms in self defense, and suffering continues. The international community again facilitates such uprisings by arming these groups against each other, as world leaders give empty statements that are impact-less.

It’s a great shame that Africa hasn’t yet recovered from the blunt of the apartheid in South Africa, the Burundi and Rwandan genocide. Also to remember are the recent Kenyan massacres; the munjiki militia in Kenya; the ongoing brutality of the Lord’s Resistance Army in northern Uganda and neighboring countries; the black mambas and kibooko squads in Uganda; the janjaweed militias in Darfur, the Islamic courts in Somalia, the DRC tribal militias, to mention but a few. Empty statements from the presidents of the US, the UK, the EU, and above all the United Nations have had so little to cerebrate about, but fueling further suffering of poor African people.

Therefore as we seek to find a lasting solution to peaceful Africa, we the Africans have to do something. Starting with the upcoming presidential runoff in Zimbabwe, Africans need to be mobilized into peaceful and non-violent social disobedience. Non-violent means should be explored at continental level. The struggles of our fore fathers like Mzee Mwalimu Nyerere, Kwame Nkurumah, and the living Nelson Mandela should be taken to a new level of action and demand for freedom of the African continent. The struggle and movement should start now!

The African continent should unit under the slogan “they all must go, we want freedom” meaning that the entire bad leadership and their partners leave the continent to create room for freedom, the bad political leaders; the states funded coercive mechanisms, their international partners, their multinational partners, and every oppressive entity out, so the African people can decide the fate of their politically and economically crippled continent themselves. In the face of ever increasing poverty, suffering, mutilation, brutality, oppression and total economic meltdown, the African people have found enough purpose to continue resisting, and will muster sufficient creativity to start building practical alternatives to the despair of bad leadership and neo-colonialism.

If the popular rebellion in Africa succeeds, it could show the world that African people are able to live through severe crisis and come out the other side, not merely having survived, but stronger, and happier for struggling for new ways of living. For like three or two days in the coming week or even coming months, human rights movements at country levels should mobilize tens of thousands of Africans to take up non-violent means to start up the struggle to fully liberate mother Africa. Actions and events can take place across the world in solidarity with the African people.

What can you do on these days? All African lovers should stand up and either stay in doors on the Zimbabwean election day; or just place a placard in front of their homes claiming for freedom; tie black bands on their hands or heads to mourn those who have been victims to bad leadership, etc, etc, etc. Let this be the start of a struggle for the liberation of Africa. Here are some additional ideas ...paint and take pots and pans by the road side with the message “they all must go, we want freedom now”, start up a local strictly non-violent neighborhood assembly with the slogan of “We want freedom NOW!, report to your workplace or college/university with the slogan “We want freedom NOW!, display the slogan all over the place of your reach, ....the options are endless..., but strictly ensure that they are non-violent and peaceful.

The aims of the Days of Social Disobedience include: 1) To show that there is a movement of movements against bad leadership and neo-colonialism and move beyond insurrection towards a real social revolution. A social revolution, made of thousands of revolutions, where people are beginning to build the life that they want and preparing to defend it rather than simply protesting against what they don't want. And that Africa is an inspiring model of this. 2) To build a powerful global network of solidarity for Africa. The movements in Africa may be in danger of isolation; without the security and the mutual inspiration of international solidarity, they will suffer further repression. We should strive to portray to the many movements worldwide we've had our hopes rekindled in the dark days of neo-colonialism, most of the people on the streets of African cities and those in rural communities have no idea that they can provide such widespread optimism. By seeing the world’s social movements acting in concert and solidarity with their struggle, the African people will be inspired to continue their struggle for freedom. 3) To learn from the events in Africa and apply these lessons to building our own autonomous spaces, neighborhood assemblies, alternative non-violent mobilization, slogan covered work places etc. 4) To spread the stories and information about the movements in Africa to social movements across the world.

Let us struggle to spread the movement to many groups with actions/events: ranging from the Disobedient in Africa, to Direct action groups in Europe, Asia, America, etc. The African freedom starts with you. Spread the message like wildfire emphasizing peaceful and non-violent means of the struggle!

William Makamazibu makamazibu@yahoo.co.uk

Dadirai Chipiro wife of Patson Chipiro, head of the Zimbabwean opposition party in Mhondoro district, mutilated and Pamela Pasvani, the 21-year-old pregnant wife of a local councillor in Harare both burned alive, now the leader and deputy leaders of the opposition arrested.

I was totally against military intervention in Zimbabwe but if these events can begin to change my mind, hopefully they will change someone elses. I hope against hope that the international community do not sit idly by and do nothing in the face of dogmatic pan-africanism while people die.

It gives one a nice warm feeling to imagine mugabe waking to the sound of a tank on his lawn.

Purely as an afterthought, there now appears to be a lobby urging Brown, Bush, Medvedev, Rudd et al to intervene militarily, it could be approaching the point where the embarassment of doing nothing is becoming a motivator to actually do something. Half of me hopes that this lobbying will be successful.

Where has military intervention worked in the world? In Iraq, in Lebanon, in apartheid South Africa, in Afghanistan, in North Korea, in Vietnam. You name it; military intervention is the least effective way to solve a problem like the one in Zimbabwe. And the neighbors will support Military action in Zimbabwe! Wishful anglo thinking!

WIBBLE!

I find it very telling how Phiri didn't utter one word to condemn the attrocities in my above post, whilst implying that Zimbabwes neighbours would engage in combat to prevent a humanitarian effort by the international community to stop the kinds of attrocities mentioned in my above post.

Phiri is quite correct that Zimbabwe has a problem, the problem is people like Phiri.

"Monsters exist But they are too few in number to be truly dangerous. More dangerous are...the functionaries ready to believe and act without asking questions"~Primo Levi(Holocaust Survivor).

What "atrocities" are you babbling about, the ones concocted in the minds and media of the people trying to effect regime-change in Zimbabwe?

"regime change" haha - you say it like its a bad thing. Any democractic election could result in a regime change if the opposition wins. Why bother campaigning if you want to keep the same regime. That would just be stupid like you dLoser.

ps dLoser, go read the human rights document that I've told you to read numerous times before you start commention about atrocities. You're a disgrace.

djoser35, even "closed mouth" Mbeki has finally admitted there is a serious violence problem in Zimbabwe, yet you are in complete denial. You're just like Phiri, refusing to accept what is really going on. As Glyph rightly said, people like you who won't admit there are problems only help to prolong them.

It's a long trip between saying that there is political violence in Zimbabwe and proclaiming that Mugabe and his party are committing atrocities against the opposition party in order to win the election. The former is understandably true and the latter are concocted lies and exaggerations designed to put in a president of Britain's choice. Considering all of the outside interference, it is amazing that there is not much more violence in Zimbabwe. Look at what happened in Kenya. In the face of the threats to its national security it's amazing how tolerate the federal government has been. Certainly no country in the West would allow such things to go on.

djoser35, there are people on this board who have had members of their families murdered or kidnapped for supporting MDC. They've even testified to this right here on this website. It's a travesty that you dismiss those events as "concocted lies and exaggerations".

What kind of person are you?

And of course you knew that these "victims" were telling the absolute truth. BTW, did any of the members of supporters of ZANU-PF ever come to this board and tell you about how members of their families were murdered and kidnapped by supporters of MDC-T? What I referred to as a concocted lies and exaggerations are the daily obvious BS that runs in the western media which is just that. No balance just total distortions and outright lies designed to bring down the Mugabe government. Anyone with any sense and an ounce of honesty knows that there is violence coming from both sides and the only thing that the western media reports is that the only thing that is going on is Mugabe killing the defenseless opposition so he can stay in power. These are obvious lies with a purpose. If you chose to base your opinions on this kind of propaganda, a better question is what kind of person are you?

dLoser, you have no soul. Only the brainwashed and gullable would think there is no violence in Zimbabwe at the moment. You're a disgrace. Look at the world around you. You are just like Comical Ali saying that there was no US forces in Baghdad while tanks were moving down the street over his shoulder. Wake up and take a good look around. People are dying every day now in Zimbabwe. People are being tortured because people like you have your head in the sand looking for someone else to blame. Read the human rights paper I've told you to read and take a good look in the mirror at yourself. You're a disgrace.

Look you half-baked fraudulent jerk, how the h*ll would you know what I have. Besides someone like you who has neither the intelligence, the knowledge nor honesty to discuss anything about Africa shouldn't be up here anyway trying to give support to the people trying to regain their ill-gotten gains in Zimbabwe, unless of course you are in fact one of them. In other words you should STFU! Here's a flash for you genius, people are not only dying every day in Zimbabwe, as if you really give a rats a**, but people are dying in England, US, Ethiopia, South Africa, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., etc. every day. So what is your point? Beyond all the lies pumped out by western media to be sucked by half-wits and people prone to accepting any lie as long as it is perceived to be in their interest, what is going on Zimbabwe is fairly typical of what goes on in Africa when a country tries to implement a foreign governing concept instead of developing their own. The deaths and inter-party fighting that is occurring in Zimbabwe today is far better that what occurred in Nigeria and Kenya. How strange it was those deaths and destruction were not blamed on the leaders of these countries. Only Land Reform Mugabe gets this responsibility. The point is that you apparently lack the intelligence and/or honesty to understand or admit that the one-sided massive campaign of lies put out by western media against Mugabe and ZANU-PF are designed to put an African puppet in office who will do the bidding of those who put him there. You and the rest of the mindless posters like you are just going along with the campaign because you perceive it to be in "white interest". Show some proof that Mugabe's doing all those things that you and your buddies are alleging, then I'll will modify my views, until you do you can expect me to counter your lies and distortions with another view whenever I choose.

Human rights groups, churches, independent media, personal testimonies and investigations by Mbeki's team have all confirmed the violence in Zimbabwe and the majority of it is against MDC supporters. But clearly the overwhelming number of reports from a variety of sources are not enough to convince you. There's no point trying to discuss anything with someone so completely and utterly blinkered.

You make me laugh dLoser. The west doesnt care about a few white farmers and the land they have lost. Those farmers have left and moved on with their lives. You repeat the propoganda the herald spirts out daily, trying to create an enemy for the people to be scared of, and hence a purpose for the government. England would never bother to invade Zimbabwe. England doesnt care for the resources of Zimbabwe (there are none that you cant get elsewhere). The government of Zimbabwe thinks they are bigger than what they really are, a few people looking after a country with nothing. Yet they try and cling to it like it was worth something. Look at the economy, look at the currency, look at the employment. All facts that show the country is pathetic. What the west does care about, and this is something you have no idea about, is people. The value of life is much higher in the west than it is in Africa. Its sad to say but its true. Can you imagine people being murdered in a western country because of thier political affiliation? Would never happen. And if it did, it would be stamped out pretty quickly. Not by the government, but by the people. In Zimbabwe however, a government that doesnt care about its people are not arresting people, they arent discouraging it. They want the violence. They want an unstable country. Because the Zimbabwean government knows that if the country was stable, and people could vote freely, they would lose the election. This is undenyable. Why else are they harrassing oppostion supporters, suspending aid, murdering oppostion MP's etc? Because they know they have lost. And they will do whatever they can to stay in power. Even if it is at the expense of the people of the Zimbabwe. The purpose of the government is to serve the people, not the other way around. Or maybe I am just silly for thinking this because it really is a western value, along with the value of life, that Zimbabwean ministers or you dLoser dont hold the same way I do.

aDefendant, you make me laugh also. Mainly because just about everything you post is a joke. Almost nothing you say resembles anything close to the truth. "the west doesn't care about a few white farmers and the land they have lost", one has to be pretty damn stupid to make such a statement and even dumber to believe it. As for me repeating what The Herald put out, as least it's far more accurate than the lies and distortions put out by the BBC, CNN, AP, Times(London & NY), Newsweek, and hundreds of other white promoting western propaganda organs who are engaged in trying determine who should head the government of a small African country. Your "England doesn't care for resources of Zimbabwe" is just as stupid as the other one. Are you for real? If Zimbabwe is a country with "nothing" why is England spending so much time and money trying to undermine the will of the majority of Zimbabweans by convincing the white world to impose crippling sanctions on them? "What the west does care about, and this is something you have no idea about, is people" Now, that is even stupider than the other two. What they only care about are the resources of "people", and anyone over twelve knows that. And your "The value of life is much higher in the west than it is in Africa" is your most absurd statement of all, since the West kills far more innocent people in a week than the entire continent of Africa does in a year. aDefendant, it's quite obvious that you don't have a clue as to what is reality in and about Zimbabwe and Africa, so why don't you just stop embarrassing yourself with your asinine posts.

djoser, I agree, the west probably kills more people. However, let's ignore that for now, we're not talking about the west here, we're talking about Zimbabwe.

You keep talking about sanctions. It's been shown time and again that the only "sanctions" that exist in terms of Zimbabwe are travel bans for ZANU-PF elite and an arms embargo.

I'm really interested to know why you think the west would want to take Zim's resources. Surely you understand that the infrastructure is now in such bad shape that 15 years will be needed to bring it back to how it was in the 80s. As in the case of SA, things like mines are useless without the backing infrastructure such as a decent power grid. Why would Britain want to spend 15 years rebuilding a country when they could get resources elsewhere without this hassle? Asia is a far more attractive trading area than Africa.

If Zim had oil I might agree with your "the west wants Zim's resources" argument. The only other resources which might attract Britain is the mines. However, as I've said, effective mining requires back-up resources. Plus, most of the mines in Zim have been sold of to the Chinese. Britain couldn't touch them if they wanted to.

Please explain why you think the Herald is more credible than the BBC. I'd like to understand what makes you think that way.

Ok dLoser. Please show me some evidence that shows you that the west cares about the small number of farmers that have lost their land and that it isnt a figment of your imagination. These farmers have moved on. Gotten on with their lives. Do you think these farmers would even bother to come back to Zimbabwe if they were given the option? I think not. And I see the Herald recently reported that it is possible that Mugabe fixed the last election so the MDC would win. The paper is a joke, has no credibility and no one takes it seriously because of all the lies it produces. And your in complete state of denial if you think otherwise. How many posts on here are from people, black, white, Zimbabawean, Non Zimbabwean, stating the Herald is out of touch with reality? Alot! You say England is spendng alot of time trying to cripple Zimbabwe? They are wasting none of their time because they arent doing a thing. There are no such things as sanctions as alot of people have pointed out to your stupid little brainwashed blind asinine mind many many times already. We're all waiting for you to tell us what these sanctions are, but you never do. Why? Because you know there arent any! They dont exist! They're just a figment of the ZANU-PF's mind giving them someone to blame for their own mismanagment. As Mindy points, out, The resources of Zim are much more easily gotten elsewhere. Zimbabwe isnt important. But the people there are. And the people are not behind the government. IF they were you wouldnt be seeing the level of violence you are seeing now. Or do you seriously think they goverment is doing a good job? What a joke. You are deluded and quite clearly brainwashed by Herald bs. I ask you this one quesiton dLoser, Lets hear your answer: Why is the ZANU PF afraid of the Zimbabwe people voting freely and fairly without intimidation?

Mindpower, I've already posted a few times how the sanctions really work against Zimbabwe versus the "official" line of "limited" sanctions that the West tries to pretend. For now I will not address that issue again. However, I would like to say something regarding the West and Zimbabwe's resources. First of all oil is not the only natural resource that the West needs to fuel it economic machine, there are many others such as copper, gold, platinum, chrome, nickel and others which are fairly abundant in Zimbabwe. And then there's the land ownership issue. But these by themselves are not what's most important to the West, it's the implications for all of southern Africa that so critical for the West. It's the resources of South Africa, Namibia, Angola and The Congo that are at stake here. Bottom line, it has become crucially important to the West that Mugabe not succeed in putting control of his country's resources in the hands of the indigenous population. If this kind of thing spreads throughout the area, the West is in big trouble especially since there is a very large non-white country who: 1) is growing very rapidly 2) doesn't have a history of slavery and colonialism in Africa 3) has nuclear weapons and 4) will need these resources to help fuel its own economic machine. Mugabe's "Look East" policy is a "no-no" to the West. I'll speak on the BBC vs. Herald thing at some other time.

Sanctions? What Sanctions. Just tell us what they are!

Thats funny. When the west wants the resources they are bad bad people. But when the east wants them its fine. Whats the difference between selling out to the west, or selling out to the east? I bet if 20 years time, half of Zimbabwe will be owned by the chinese.

The Chinese already own half, now they are after the other half. Heard from reliable source they also printing their own Zim $ and using that to pay the Zanu twits.

South Africa has Nuclear weapons? Ever hear of the treaty of Pelindaba?

"It's the resources of South Africa, Namibia, Angola and The Congo that are at stake here. Bottom line, it has become crucially important to the West that Mugabe not succeed in putting control of his country's resources in the hands of the indigenous population. If this kind of thing spreads throughout the area, the West is in big trouble especially since there is a very large non-white country who: 1) is growing very rapidly...."

djoser, you remain honest and truthful on a thread otherwise dispoiled by passion and lies. It is a crying shame that balance is not brought to bear in debates on Zimbabwe. Balance alone would win the day and get many to accept that the lies and biased reports they hear about Zim simply are not and cannot be true.

Most intelligent people accept mainstream media with, at least, an iota of scepticism. But on Zimbabwe, all the media reports become Gospel for so many. It really is a shame.

Thanks Selector. You are right this board seems to be made up mostly of people content with buying into any negative about the current government in Zimbabwe without questioning whether it has any truth to it or not.

This from someone who takes the Herald as gospel. What a joke! How can you argue with the facts that the Zimbabwean government has mismanaged the economy and doesnt care for its people. Fact 1: Unemployment of 80% Fact 2: Highest inflation on the planet by a long way Fact 3: life expectancy of 34 Fact 4: Mugabe has banned all aid to its people. Fact 5: While Mugabe was in control, 20,000 he arranged for the murder of 20,000 of his own people.

Are you saying there is no truth behind these facts? Much like the Zanu PF, and Mugabe, dLoser, you are a disgrace to humanity.

All I've seen from you as "proof" of sanctions is opinion pieces. That's not proof.

Why didn't you address the question of infrastructure needed to back up mining? And the fact that the East owns Zim's mines already?

"it has become crucially important to the West that Mugabe not succeed in putting control of his country's resources in the hands of the indigenous population."

Oh really? If Mugabe is trying to put control of resources into indigenous hands why has he let so many of Zim's resources be sold off to the Chinese? Does a leader who advocates "local control" buy up mines in the DRC and then send Zim troops, paid for by Zimbabwean taxpayers money, to defend his personal interests there?

You're not answering anything djoser, quite the opposite.

Sorry friend you are mistaken.....the abuses are happening, many go unreported. Here in Botswana, Zims living abroad get first hand accounts from family members in Zim about the police, army and veterans going house to house, asking for Zanu PF cards and who they voted for, beating up those that don't provide the right answers....This isn't reported, and it's not exaggerated...it's fathers hearing from their daughters, sisters from their sisters, and truly worrying about those back home.

Thats because countries in the west are civilised and have respect for life.

dLoser, have you read that human rights report I put up the link for? It must be a nice world inside that bubble you live in. Maybe you should get out one day and smell the roses.

aDependent, Don't even try to pass this nonsense off as something real. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence and one-half ounce of honesty don't buy into these self-serving "human rights" reports.

Human rights organizations are self serving? Honestly, you are unbelievable! :-O

Believe it! :) They know who they are and who they work for.

dLoser. Thanks for enabling us to continually laugh at how stupid you are. The Human Rights watch arent polictically aligned. They are an independent body. How stupid are you not to realise all that is happening? You really are incredibly dumb, gullible and brainwashed. I'm just so embarrased for you for you postings on here! Everyone knows. Everyone. But not you. You continue to deny. And it just digs you deeper and deeper into your hole.

I agree... Phiri seems almost content that these people are being murdered and tortured. Phiri has no conscience or soul.

How about Nazi Europe, Japan and recently in Bosnia ?

Intervene and do what, take out the corpses of the remaining whites in Zimbabwe and trigger off a guerrilla in all of Southern Africa that will drive out the rest of the whites? Haven't you learned anything from recent your recent history (1954-2008)?

or do nothing and let blacks kill hundreds more blacks in Zimbabwe. Is that what you what dLoser?

aDependent, It's Africa's problem if that happens, not Europe's or the US. And yeah, like you have some real concerns whether Blacks kill other Blacks. Spare me!

ps you love the fact that all these people are dying... might mean Mugabe can keep you and your cronies on your farms eh. You know.. the farms that arent producing anything and causing the country to suffer. Go on blame the 'illegal made up sanctions'

Why do you think I write on this site? I'm not english, american, zimabwean, african or western. Hence independant. I write because I hate to see people suffering, and that means black, white yellow or whatever. And if people are suffering its humanities problem. Not just africa. You are a joke.

Unbelievable, "it's an African problem" Last ime I checked African were part of the human race (though Mugabe and his lot have tried to show otherwise) which makes it a world problem. If Zimbabwe had a natural disaster they world would all chip in - look at Iran with earthquakes, and rightly so. Unfortunately Zimbabwe is facing and unnatural disaster, in the form of Mugabe. The world has every right to be and express concern. Stop your isolationist thinking and become part of the global comunity. Otherwise stop bleating about sanctions, they should not be a concern if you lot want to go it alone.(not that there are sanctions apart from personal travel sanctions for the criminals)

Too true. We live in a global village.

or do nothing and let blacks kill hundreds more blacks in Zimbabwe. Is that what you what dLoser?

What a sort of a statement is wishful anglo thinking? I agree Mr Phiri sir that military intervention does nothing but add to the woes of the innocent .The world leaders especially the neighbouring states have a responsibility to reprimand and condemn outrageous activities committed by despot regimes.These senseless acts of attrition must cease!Zimbabweans are terrified to speak up for themselves,U.N and N.G.O. humanitarian programs pillaged to feed only those brutally loyal to the facade of Mugabe.I say facade because Mugabe is merely a thin incompetent veil masking the writhing cesspit of snakes who call themselves the ruling party.These despicable murdering cowardly theives who have deluded the gullible and criminally inclined to forgo any constructive positive future in a free Zimbabwe,in order to prolong their reign of greed and tyranny.Their hands are not clean! They will face judgement ,and they know it allready the clock is ticking.Those who threaten the weak and helpless will in turn cower and fear the strong, whose weapons will be truth and justice.

No matter the angle one looks at this issue, I cannot but help to cry for the people of Zimbagwe. There may be no way out for them but sure death through state sponsored killings. Many will die due to extreme poverty and share need. As I go about here (in the United States) to fend for my family, my heart is heavily laden with sorrow. May God help you all! Amen.

Just which of the Zimbabwean people does your heart cry out for, the nearly 500,000 and their families who voted for ZANU-PF or the nearly 500,000 and their families who voted for MDC-T? And just what "state sponsored" killings do you know of from your perch in the US? And does your cry for help extend to the people of Iraq who are suffering far more then the people of Zimbabwe? Perhaps you need to expand your prayers.

Denial, denial, denial. And now you say the diaspora should be caring more about Iraq then their families back home. You are disgraceful!

"Denial, denial, denial. And now you say the diaspora should be caring more about Iraq then their families back home. You are disgraceful!" If that's what you read from my post then English must be a second language for you or you're just being your dishonest self grabbing at straws. As for me being "disgraceful", likewise I'm sure.

dLoser you are the disgrace. Everyone knows it but you. Where do you live by the way? I bet you 500000000000000000 Zim dollars its not in Zimbabwe. (thats about 50 pence)

He's not from Zimbabwe. He gets his "information" from his friends who travel there.

Yeah and they're not like the liars that you rely on for info about Zimbabwe. I also have President Mbeki's on site observations to rely on, and he's far most reliable than the government-owned organs in England trying desperately to take Zimbabwe back to 1890.

Haha... even Mbeki is expressing his concerns! Zimbabwe is a joke.

LOL, yeah Mbeki has tea with Mugabe at state house, I'm sure he gets to see loads of violence there. His ex-army generals reported violence back to him, or didn't you notice that?

As for liars, well I pretty much guarantee the friends and family I speak to who LIVE in Zimbabwe know more about it than your friends who visit there. Plus, of course, being Zimbabwean and going there to see my family I get to see the situation first hand.

Admit it djoser, you know nothing about Zim except garbage second-hand stories from visitors and your rag, The Herald.

aDefendant, you are not only a far bigger disgrace than I, you're also a much bigger liar! Where do you live? I'll bet it's not Zimbabwe also. BTW, it's an honor to be considered a disgrace by someone like you, that means I'm doing something right!

I'm not the one trying to defend the murderer of 20000 people. Thats a disgrace.

Who's taking about Iraq? I thought thia discussion was about Zimbabwe, AH.

Yep. It is. Mugabe murdered 20,000 of his own people.. and counting.

and I dont think the deaths of 20,000 innocent people at the hands of Mugabe is something to joke about with your childish antics.

Oh please, don't you ever get tired of posting these dumb lies? Only a fool would believe that the surrounding African countries would allow this to happen. You must think everyone on this board is as stupid as you appear to be.

You're just continually in a state of denial. No one is getting murdered in Zim. The place is the safest place in the world with the best economy where everyone lives till they're 80. Yeah right. You post makes you look dumb dLoser. PS your name suits you.

You are such an idiot djoser. Try reading the following statement a few times till it sinks in:

MUGABE HAS ADMITTED THAT THE SLAUGHTER OF THE MATABELE HAPPENED!

Straight out of the mouth of your "hero". He called it "a moment of madness". If there are any lies around here it is you lying to yourself.

Yeah jerk, like I'm not supposed to know that what you and your bosom buddy are referring to was the put-down of what basically was a tribal uprising that lasted 5 years. When these kinds on insurrections occur of course people are killed on both sides in Africa and in any other country around the world. I'd like to see how many would be killed if a group of people pulled a similar kind of uprising in England or the US. As for the 20,000 number you jokers are referring to, this number is highly suspect since it came from a report released by a foreign NGO some 10 years after the uprising was put down in 1987. Since then ZANU and PF-ZAPU have maintained strong unity despite attempts by the "you know who" to break it up.

Tribal uprising over 5 years? Listen moron, the massacre took place in 1982/3. Go do some reading. First you deny Gukurahundi ever happened and now you try to find excuses for Mugabe. There's no getting through to you. Clearly you want to believe the tyrant Mugabe is a hero and excused from all his evils.

Look dolt, you're the one who needs to do more reading:

"This situation became worse after the finding of arms caches in February 1982. ZANU-PF now openly accused ZAPU of plotting another war and ZAPU leaders were arrested or removed from cabinet. However, the treason trial in 1982 involving Comrades (Cdes) Dabengwa, Masuku and four others failed to prove a case against them. All were released although Cdes Dabengwa and Masuku were redetained without trial for four years. Possibly thousands of ex-ZIPRA cadres deserted the army after this. Most of them now claim that they saw this as necessary to stay alive. With their leaders all locked up or in exile, they felt there was nobody to protect them within the army. "We were threatened, that was why I decided to desert," said one dissident.

How did the dissidents operate? The dissidents took a while to get organised, but in late 1983 they divided Matabeleland and parts of the Midlands into three operational zones. Several bands of 15 to 30 dissidents worked within each area, under a commander. They had serious problems getting ammunition and supplies, especially as they had little popular support.

The ex-ZIPRA dissidents were suspicious of "Super ZAPU", the South African backed dissidents. They said they did not want "to be like UNITA", whom South Africa backed in Angola. Partly because the ex-ZIPRA dissidents would not support them, Super ZAPU did not last long: by mid 1984 it had more or less collapsed.

Around 75% of the dissidents either had been killed, captured or had left for Botswana by the amnesty in 1988. Only 122 dissidents handed themselves over at this time."

The fact is the conflict last from 1982 to 1987 when the "Unity Accord" was signed. As for Mugabe being my hero, I must admit that I'm very impressed how he and his poorly equipped band of freedom fighters defeated the heavily armed Western-back Rhodesian settlers. BTW, he's also a hero to millions of Africans on the continent and around the world. And if he succeeds in winning the election this week his hero status will rise even higher, in that with all the massive propaganda put out by western media, private and government controlled, he was able to get the African people to see the value of sovereignty, independence and ownership of their God-given resources.

"Only a fool would believe that the surrounding African countries would allow this to happen."

Yeah coz all the African countries stepped in and prevented genocide from happening in Rwanda right? God you're thick!

it doesnt matter who they voted for dLoser. People are dying and being tortured needlessly because of a failed regime! And you're happy about it! dLoser has no conscience or soul either!

I must be really stupid or something on here. Tell me, how does standing up to a ruthless black african murderer, killing black african innocents qualify us as racist?? I am puzzled. If we were racist as the tired accusation thrown carelessly about, surely were would be URGING mugabe to kill more blacks. Is it not more accurate that the people rejoicing in the killing of zimbabweans who happen to belong to the MDC are the true racists with a twist, in that they confer an honorary racial classification of whiteness on these poor souls so as to salve their twisted consciences into accepting the killing of their fellow countrymen, all in the name of supporting a murderous little thug! Shame on you all..shame on you. you are the kind that would slit your grandmother's throat if the price was right!

Let's just say that I'm not a fake like you. You are a pathetic person if there ever was one! I'm African which defines the word soul. As I recall from childhood, it was the devil who always talked about people's soul. Am I getting close?

Well that as usual from dLoser has no content on Zimbabwe at all. He has no argument so he has to resort to name calling and bullying. Much like the playground bully. We're all a long time from school dLoser, so your antics dont work here I'm afraid. Best you grow and stick to the topics of conversation.

salaam, If it be at change and at democracy the only change is wisdom, for opposite of ignorancy is Wisdom, For matter did come upon two hands of Life, as left is opposite of RIGHT, Left requires no proof for TRUTH was not given to left, RIGHT given proof for TRUTH was given to RIGHT, from its foundation for it has not changed since nor moved nor lost. So when at an arguement or fight or war WISDOM be missing ! Ignorancy came in two degrees the first has its excuse in Life did not come with knowledge as knowledge a matter taught to Life. Then the second degree that came by choice as choosing to ignor though ignorancy. When at choice in matter that be left brought next to RIGHT. for with RIGHT I find no choice. Wisdom that be of the knowing, Thinking not required for some thinking leads astraying away from RIGHT, As RIGHT requires proof in matter in claims, for not every claimant upon TRUTH. As some place abuse upon words of WISDOM as claiming to be or have a RIGHT lacking in proof and simply makes much in statements in life of matter. Example Right placed before the action as : Right to rob, Right to bomb, Right to corruption, Right to lie, Right to join forbidden matter, when lacking in proof not of the right for RIGHT has a foundation that has not change for change not due upon the RIGHT, Change due at left hand guide. even though both hands do work, Only one hand guides as the other made to follow, For the temple matter and if the temple matter not set at TRUTH that matter be at less than the TRUTH, For even two temples set in the mind to guide the handy work effort, and left is not of the RIGHT even to temple matter, so tarring down a temple in three days they took it to the stone matter and not the mind asset matter. And the stone matter away from the body matter so not equal nor the same in matter to a temple if the foundation not at TRUTH in the mind that stone temple has no benefit in matter. feeamanellaah

We are tired of the British doing their thing in Africa.In Zimbabwe we now hear of the Truth Commission to be set up if the opposition wins.A very noble idea indeed but let it be extended to the period before 1980 as well.The Rhodesians surely must be held accountable for the atrocites they committed.So we welcome the idea if raps in the British also.

I agree. Clearly there is still a lot of animosity for what has happened before Mugabe, and after. For the country to move on it must deal with everything, put it to bed, then move forwards. No one should be immune, both before Mugabe and after.

Yes mr Secretslave Truth can never be manifested and it will take a very courageous person to weild that power right or left handed .

Secretslave, I see some very powerful words such as 'TRUTH' and 'WISDOM' in your post and I think I get the gist of your message. If what you have said is what I think you are trying to say, then I say "spot on"

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glyph...truth is stranger than fiction..that COULD pass as the actual transcript of the conversation and what transpired shortly after..ha ha