"He said there was wealth in the land as evidenced by the returns that resettled farmers have yielded saying the whites tried to hoodwink Zimbabweans into thinking that there was no wealth in farming by putting on shorts and dressing shabbily." Please! Is this some sign of senility or is he getting really desperate to think of something new to say?

of course the oppostion has "regime change agenda" thats what opposition parties do!

LOL, he's really grasping at straws now eh!

I keep seeing accusations that the MDC is somehow sponsored or controlled by the west. Yet, no evidence is ever provided to support such a claim. Would any Mugabe supporter care to provide such evidence? I won't hold my breath.

Pat, if you want evidence it is right in these posts. Why is every white person's post on this site anti Mugabe? And why do people like 'Indie' and 'beefree' who are not Zimbabweans have SO much to say about Zimbabwe? It occupies all their time. Why is Zimbabwe of so much interest to the western media and yet there are worse things happening in the world as we speak? Any why is Mugabe/ZANU PF prepared to go to war? Most Zimbabwean's know that Mugabe is RIGHT and the only reason this mdc gets some support is because of the hardship created by the illegal sanctions.

You just won't shut up about sanctions will you Kuba., even after we have proven time and time again that they don't exist.

Look at how many black people are anti-Mugabe on this site. You only see the whites because you're a sad little racist.

To liars and the ignorant sanctions don't exist to everyone else here's the truth:

by Tadie Chisango - 2007

"Western Sanctions, the MDC's complicity and the Economy:

Enumerating the economic sanctions and documenting their direct effects in total on Zimbabwe is not an easy task, practically. The difficulty of this task should not necessarily mean that there are no sanctions on Zimbabwe, however. What is possible, and that other writers before me have tried to do is to demonstrate that there are definitely some economic sanctions by the West targeted upon the entirety of Zimbabwe, not only Zanu PF officials, which the MDC and its sympathizers deny. Inferences can then be made about the full extent of the sanctions. Far from dismissing the so-called targeted sanctions, I will argue how they have adversarial effects on our economy. I will also argue that the MDC has been complicit in all the sanctions that have been imposed, or maintained, after its inception. The love-hate relationship between the IMF and the World Bank predates the formation of the MDC, for example, but its maintenance and the imposition of further sanctions (such as the Zimbabwe Democracy Bill) that entrenched it and have done further damage, have received the blessing of the MDC. If the MDC supported the sanctions unwittingly, believing they would only damage the interests of Zanu PF, its high time they acknowledged their naivety, and start repairing their damage. As long as they continue playing to the West's gallery, without openly renouncing the sanctions, they are responsible for the suffering the sanctions are meting out on our country. Once they renounce the sanctions, the West will look lame, and not have the excuse for the anti-Zimbabwe din they are currently playing to the world. At least, I hope the evidence and arguments I will present in this article graphically demonstrate the existence of the West's sanctions on Zimbabwe, as I have witnessed much denial on the part of those who support the West and the MDC.

The IMF and World Bank's Sanctions

Both the IMF and the World Bank suspended balance of payments to Zimbabwe in 1997 after the Government gave gratuities to ex-combatants. This is despite the fact that they had been assured that money would not come from investment funds, but from a package of tax increases and spending cuts. The suspension of the balance-of-payment loans invoked fears of a ballooning budget deficit that resulted in the first ever crash of the Zimbabwean dollar, and has partly facilitated the incessant fall of the Zimbabwean currency up to the present time. It must be emphasized that it is not the payments to ex-combatants that caused the decline of our currency, but the reaction of the IMF and the World Bank. Had they let it pass, as it was a one-off event anyway, I doubt it could have created an impact as huge as the unexpected cutting of crucial balance-of-payment loans. When the IMF finally agreed to provide a loan in 1999, Zimbabwe was, for the first time since independence, $20 million a month behind in its foreign debt repayment, resulting in a $190 million deficit for 1999. The sanctions were re-introduced in 2001, and still stand today.

The "Zimbabwe Democracy Bill" (2001)

The introduction of the "Zimbabwe Democracy Bill" by the US in 2001 set to entrench the financial starvation of Zimbabwe, which the IMF had been sporadically engaging in, as shown above. On December 21, 2001, US President George W. Bush signed into law S. 494, the "Zimbabwe democracy bill." The law, among other things, instructed American officials in the IMF and multilateral development banks - including the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development, the International Development Association, the International Finance Corporation, the Inter-American Development Bank, the Asian Development Bank, the Inter-American Investment Corporation, the African Development Bank, the African Development Fund, the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, and the Multilateral Investment Guaranty Agency -to "oppose and vote against any extension by the respective institution of any loan, credit, or guarantee to the government of Zimbabwe," and to vote against any reduction or cancellation of "indebtedness owed by the government of Zimbabwe."

The above are virtually all the banks IN THE WORLD which could potentially lend money to Zimbabwe. Disturbingly, Zimbabwe cannot even borrow from Africa's own banks. Prior to the bill, at least Zimbabwe could obtain credit from other international financial institutions when the IMF and the World Bank cut its credit lines. This effectively means that Zimbabwe is one of the very few countries in the world that currently exists without any balance of payments support and external lines of credit. The only external alternative Zimbabwe is left with is borrowing from other governments, which is not very easy. Only recently, Zimbabwe failed to get a loan from both South Africa and China. We should note that in the developing world in general, it is the rule rather than the exception to experience persistent trade deficits that often necessitate government from some of the above institutions. Without such external funding, no economy in the developing world survives, and Zimbabwe is no exception. From the Zimbabwean perspective, this law can only be described as "cruel". On its own, I guess it has been significant enough to plunge the economy in its present down spiral, with any other sanctions/measures only having additive effects. The support the MDC gave to the enunciation of this law renders them an enemy of our people.

In addition, the so-called Zimbabwe Democracy Bill vetoes debt relief to Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe needs debt relief now more than ever, in order to invest in capital and social development, rather than spend its already depleted foreign reserves on servicing debt. Huge debt is not necessarily a sign of mismanagement, as some people will say, so Zimbabwe should not be punished for it, unless the motive is ulterior. For everyone's information, the most indebted countries have the biggest economies in Africa and India, quite a model economy for us, is easily the most indebted developing country in the world. The US and its allies are throttling Zimbabwe's throat!

European Union Sanctions:

On February 18, 2002, the European Union's foreign to imposed sanctions against Zimbabwe. Under terms of the sanctions, The European Union suspended budgetary support to Zimbabwe and terminated "financial support for all projects" except "those in direct support of the population." All financial aid would be "reoriented in support of the population, in particular in the social sectors, democratization, respect for human rights and the rule of law." With Zimbabwe banned from obtaining credit from the IMF and the World Bank, prohibited from borrowing money from any other of the World's major financial institutions by the USA, and with Europe terminating its support, the vicious stamp on Zimbabwe comes full-cycle. It is only paradoxical that the EU has "reoriented" its support to the "population" which will inevitably be hurt by its "suspension of budgetary support and termination of financial support for all projects".

The European Union denies that it has imposed trade sanctions on Zimbabwe (pdf). At the same time, some evidence at least points to the fact that the EU has withdrawn its sugar export quota it had for Zimbabwe. If these are not trade sanctions, then what the hell are they? This actually reminds me of an interview Jonathan Moyo gave to Zimnetradio.com, in which he appeared to claim that farms seized during the land reform program had been black-listed by the European Union. Having conveniently maintained the EU and the USA as traditional markets inherited from the colonial period, any trade sanctions they impose/have imposed on Zimbabwe, whether de jure or de facto certainly can be expected to have biting effects as building new ones cannot be done overnight.

Other De Facto Sanctions:

The above example on the trade sanctions suggests that not all sanctions targeted on Zimbabwe are in Black somewhere. The view I have expressed above is buttressed by the following example:

"Zimbabwe receives an average of just $4 per HIV-infected person compared with $74 elsewhere, Ms Bellamy told reporters in Johannesburg on her last tour of Africa as head of Unicef...The world must differentiate between the politics and people of Zimbabwe," she said, as reported by the BBC.

Can somebody tell me please: what justifies the condemnation of children to death? The fact that they hate Mugabe predicts their desire to actively partake in the demise of these kids!? This is but a tip of the iceberg! They at least feel that they do not really have an obligation, and it's just an act of charity that they are helping these kids, so they have at least the guts to publish their hate. There is much behind the scenes!

Another example demonstrates the extent to which the US and British Governments are ready to go, even against individual Zimbabweans. Long after Simba Makoni resigned from the Government, the US Government successfully blocked his campaign for the post of president of the African Development Bank. Surely, it is not at all sensible that they maintain sanctions against Simba Makoni because he is a FORMER Minister of finance. And to suggest, even at the most implicit level, that Simba Makoni is, or was involved in, or supported, or facilitated, or perpetuated, any of human rights abuses in Zimbabwe is sheer nonsense!

Simba Makoni is not a full-fledged politician at all, having been incorporated into government as the Minister of finance solely on his business, not political CV and had to be fast-tracked into the politburo to make his position as the Minister get in line with Zanu PF protocols. If the West [The US and EU] say the sanctions are targeted at Zimbabwe's ruling elite, which they accuse of stifling democracy as well as violating human rights, how is Simba Makoni part of the game? How is he stifling democracy? Is he violating/has he violated any human rights? I can only guess there are other de facto sanctions the EU, the US and their satellite states have imposed on us that we haven't yet been able to understand.

Depleting our national "goodwill" through Media Demonization

I make another bold claim that the demonization the West does of Zimbabwe is tantamount to sanctions. The Herald is a Zimbabwean government owned Newspaper and the BBC is a British owned government owned broadcaster. The Herald is a government owned newspaper in Zimbabwe, and the BBC is a British government owned broadcaster. The Herald is obviously pro Zimbabwe Government and anti-British Government, while the BBC is basically anti-Zimbabwe. One major difference between the 2 is that the BBC is able to harness its resources to inform and bias world opinion on Zimbabwe. The Herald cannot inform World opinion in any concrete way that is comparable to the BBC. They are able to paint the Zimbabwean Government and society as essentially anti-White, for example, such that any "White" person may be hacked to death upon alighting a plane at the Harare airport.

They don't tell the world that the majority of the major companies, mines, and conservancies are in fact owned by Whites in Zimbabwe, and that they live quite peacefully in Zimbabwe's picturesque suburbs like Glen Lorne. They paint a grotesque picture of Mugabe willfully starving his people, but don't tell us how much the sanctions they have imposed on Zimbabwe harm ordinary people. They make millions of the world's population believe that Zimbabwe is the hell on earth full of animal-like beings perpetually scrounging for food in the rubbish dumps. To my mind, this produces a profound effect that can be captured in $ terms.

The so-called targeted sanctions

While we celebrate that Zanu PF "fat cats" are reeling under the effects of the so-called targeted sanctions, they in fact have a broad side-effect on the economy. Who wants to do business with a people whose Government is treated like dare-devils by both the USA and the EU? Again, it's a matter of depleting our national goodwill. While the EU and the USA claim there are no trade sanctions on Zimbabwe (which I have disputed above anyway) is it not necessary for the trade minister of Zimbabwe to meet his British counterpart once in a while, or any other business people in Britain and the rest of the EU, the USA, or in Australia, New Zealand and Canada? Does this have a null effect on Zimbabwe's business capacity and on its business relations with the above countries and in fact the rest of the world? We would only be very naïve to believe the opposite. In addition, some of the Zanu PF officials, no matter that we may not like them, own businesses that contribute to the GDP of the country.

Did we not become a bit perturbed the other day when the father of Prince Charles of Britain's son's girlfriend, who runs conservancies in Zimbabwe, had to defend himself on the charges by the West that his businesses dealings help sustain the "Mugabe Regime?" The man lives in Zimbabwe and is not supposed to have business links which are deemed by the West to prop the Mugabe regime? My foot! This gives us a "privileged view" into the devilish intents of the West on Zimbabwe in general, and the Zimbabweans whose livelihoods depend upon Charles Davey's operations. More recently, the Western sponsored International Crisis Group, advocated for the addition of the Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe's Governor to the targeted sanctions list. I am not naïve enough to believe that this would affect Gono as an individual, with zero effect on the Reserve Bank's activities. And somebody would have me believe that the Reserve Bank is part of Mugabe's regime, and not part of the Zimbabwean economy.

Pressure on Sadc and other African countries

Within the present context, I wish to highlight the fact that the West has also tried to coerce African countries into imposing economic sanctions on Zimbabwe. They were going for a kill! For example, the Extraordinary Summit of the South African Development Community (SADC) opened in Blantyre, Malawi on January 14, 2002, Britain threatened to withhold $18 million in budgetary support from Malawi, the chair of the SADC, unless it agreed to direct the SADC towards the imposition of sanctions against Zimbabwe. This was a significant portion of Malawi's budget. Britain also held the threat of withholding aid for Malawi's food crisis. Similar threats to withdraw budgetary support were wielded against Mozambique. At the summit, President Benjamin Mkapa of Tanzania announced that British Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Baroness Amos telephoned him directly and urged him not to support Zimbabwe at the SADC and at the upcoming meeting of the Commonwealth. When that call failed, British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw then telephoned and attempted to bully him. Despite intense pressure from Britain, African leaders at the March 2002 Commonwealth meeting rejected the demand for sanctions against Zimbabwe. President Mkapa of Tanzania revealed that members of the Commonwealth had endured a "bombardment of an alliance against Mugabe"

Accepting that economic sanctions exist

All in all, thus, I hope I have shown clearly that there indeed are economic sanctions against Zimbabwe by the West. I have seen a lot of MDC supporters who are either ignorant of, or deny the fact that Zimbabwe as a country is under economic sanctions by the West. The denial or ignorance is in line with the ubiquitous belief that Mugabe has single-handedly "killed the economy". This belief cannot sit comfortably with the fact that the West has knowingly introduced insufferable conditions on ordinary Zimbabweans. It's high time we accommodated the fact that there is a Western plot on our economy and acknowledge that we do not have anything to gain as a country from the sanctions. The difficulty in defining them does not mean they are not there, only to reiterate. It is very easy for powerful bully countries to fire economic "missiles" to states they are in loggerheads with. Unlike military ones, these economic missiles are invisible. We may gladly blame Mugabe the monster for attracting the sanctions, but I

Why didn't you just post the link and we could have read the rest of this guff?

Notice the word, "Opinion", I suggest we read it in it's entirity and contemplate what the author DOESN'T say rather than what he says.

http://www.newzimbabwe.com/pages/opinion258.16231.html

illegal sanctions? Kube is like a broken record. He cant provide any evidence of sanctions, yet he continues to bring them up. And for about the hundreth time, if you are referring to countries refusing to lend Zim money, these firstly are not sanctions, and secondly include South Africa and China. I think we need to develop a standard reply to any comment about sanctions. Would save my time having to type it each time. Zimbabwe interests me, because I have been there and fell in love with the place and the people, and I hate to see what Mugabe is doing to the people. You say Mugabe is right? Just look at the state of the country, its a disgrace. If he is right, then look what he has done. No wonder you are in New Zealand.

Have you ever thought, Kubatana, that these people are not posting because of race, but because thay actually care about the people of Zimbabwe and Mugabe's treatment of them? Also, while you were busy typing your post, you forgot to answer my question. Do you have any evidence that the MDC is sponsored or controlled by the west? The opinions of the people posting here provide no evidence of that.

Pat, come on now - you got to be stupid to think the west is not behind the mdc. These so called do gooders don't put posts on the AllAfrica site for Sudan,Somalia,Kenya - These places and others are worse than Zimbabwe. So what does that tell us?

Just because we dont like Mugabe doesnt mean we are behind the MDC. Do you think the Zambian, Kenyan, and other African leaders (including Zuma) who have commented against Mugabe are behind the MDC? Not at all. Just because we have a common goal, doesnt make us all behind the MDC. We just want the will of the people to be heard. And for their to be peace in Zimbabwe, under Zimbabean rule, with no intimidation so the people can be heard. Surely you agree with this common goal? This however unfortunately is not possible under Mugabe.

Kube, It doesn't matter who the West wants. It is up to the people to decide. If the people don't want Mugabe, than he should go. If they want him, then he should stay.....The issue in Zimbabwe is that the people are not being allowed to express their will and have the government listen. If the majority was so for Mugabe, why then does he need to make so many intimidating comments and have his people in the countryside beating people up that don't have ZANU-PF cards (and don't deny this isn't happening). Go on and on about historical injustices....it is the people whom must be able to choose....Not you, not Mbeki, not UK or US, not Mugabe or his veterans or his generals. The people dammmit!

Hi kubatana6, Why waste your time, breath & energy on these re-oriented African agents of the West. Somebody is shamelessly and deceivingly asking for evidence. That's simple. Do Africans announce elections results for the Americans and Bristons? NO! But MDC has appointed them to do so for Zambaqwe. For the agents' information this the same method used to kill 35000 Liberians beginning in 1985. They have supported the current Liberian President to disturb the country's peace for the last 30 years. Now,she is in office corruption is rampant. And nothing is working.

Kenya is another example. They fought president Moi. See the last Kenyan elections there agents stole it.

Let those agents know that if President Mugabe was against the people of Zambaqwe and working in Anglo-American interest they would honour him everyday with fake degrees and awards as they do with the President of Liberia.

May God Bless the Heroic Son of Africa, President Cde Robert Gabriel Mugabe and send to hell all Western agents, MDC-T included.

I dont recall any American or Britain announcing the results of the election in Zimbabwe. Can you provide evidence of this? Last time I checked the leaders of the MDC were black Zimbabweans. You talk about them being agents of the west. Well, you have to ask yourself why, under a very unfair election, more people voted for them than against them. Mugabe knows that the people are no longer with him. He's scared of the people being heard this election, hence why he is doing all he can to murder, torture and kill to intimidate the voters. If he is so sure of himself and what he stands for, why does he not allow a free and fair election? Why does he not allow independent observers? Why does he burn foreign newspapers? Why does he ban aid agencies? Why does he force the military and police to vote for him? Why does he harrass and continually arrest the opposition challenger? Why does he continue to make up stories of 'illegal sanctions' when really the only sanctions are related to travel and arms? Why does he fail to mention that China and South Africa also refuse to help out Zimbabwe's economy? The answers simple. He knows he doesnt have the votes to win the run off. And he knows he is going to the hague if he loses. And he'll murder 20,000 of his own people to keep in power. He's done it before.

"Somebody is shamelessly and deceivingly asking for evidence" What a joke... surely its the nature of proving if something is or isnt true is by evidence. Now it is shamefull and deceiving to ask for evidence? You say that because your words are based around lies and propoganda and you have no evidence. People will still ask for evidence, you cannot stop them. And its not shameless or deceiving. Its smart. Something you're not.

I didn't realize that it was shameful or deceitful to ask for evidence. In fact, isn't it shameful and deceitful to make accusations without using evidence? Accusing a major political party of being controlled by a foreign power is quite a serious accusation, and such an accusation needs solid evidence. You have not provided any, leading me to believe that you don't have any.

You obviously don't know anything about what is really going on. You can't even get the name of the country right. It's not Zambaqwe it's ZIMBABWE you moron!

Why do people who are not Zimbabweans have so much to say.....Because many care about the people in Zimbabwe and the suffering they are enduring. Not the economic suffering, the fact that their will is not being respected...It is clear by the governments actions that they do not expect allow democracy to happen. They will only accept one result.

If the people don't want Mugabe, than he should go. If they want him, then he should stay.....The issue in Zimbabwe is that the people are not being allowed to express their will and have the government listen. If the majority was so for Mugabe, why then does he need to make so many intimidating comments and have his people in the countryside beating people up that don't have ZANU-PF cards (and don't deny this isn't happening). Go on and on about current historical injustices....it is the people whom must be able to choose....Not you, not Mbeki, not UK or US, not Mugabe or his veterans or his generals. The people dammmit!

Right on point and very well said!

I'm surprised you agree with this dLoser. I would have though that you believed the people arent important and the bottom line is that as long as Mugabe is in power, thats all that matters. So two-faced.

"Change should come out of the people, come out of the Zimbabwean people, people who stand for the rights of the people," he said.

In case Mr. Mugabe forgot… That is exactly what happened during the last election! I find it cynical to read Mr. Mugabe’s words. It is pathetic. All of a sudden he is advocating the empowerment of the people with the assistance of the government. What has been happening the last few years I ask? The systematic decline in Zim’s institutions is outright sad and borders on criminal. And now, he says that there are riches in the soil that the West through the MDC wants to steal??? Are you kidding me? I urge the brave and noble people of Zimbabwe, to stand and vote for what is best for your country. Mr. Mugabe said recently that the gun is mightier than the voting pen. Well, Mr. Mugabe you are very wrong. As an American who follows African politics, I truly hope that you will realize the errors of your way… for the sake of the people you say you so care about.

Hey Florida, nothing can be stronger than the will of the people and if Zimbabwean's knew Mugabe is wrong they would have overthrown him long time ago. The truth is that deep down the majority know that Mugabe is right! Most of the junk you hear is fabricated bull****! They say people are starving but where are the photo's? They say all the wild animals have been eaten but i went on a recent safari and saw an abundance of all animals. They (mdc supporters) say they are in fear of their lives and yet they travel to and from overseas quite freely. They say don't go to Zimbabwe because it is very dangerous but South Africa is 20 times more dangerous. They say black farmers have failed and yet the drought has affected all countries in the region. If you really think about it there is far too much that DOES NOT ADD UP!

Kube, you said yourself you had trouble travelling on a Zimbabean passport. What does fearing for you life have to do with travelling freely outside of Zimbabwe anyways? And if the deep majority know that Mugabe is right, why did over 50% of people not vote for him in the last election? And why is he not allowing a free and fair election this time? Why are opponents getting murdered? Why did the mayor of Harare's wife get beaten to a pulp? Why are foreign newspapers being burned? Why are aid agencies not being allowed to deliver food to the hungry? Why are soldiers and police being forced to vote for Mugabe? Why are the MDC been given no time to advertise on TV? Why is the opposition been given no time to campaign and continually being harrassed and arrested? Why are election observers being screened by the government? Why is the whole world, including Mbeki, including the majority of african leaders, including Tutu all expressing concern with what is happening? I could go on for days. But I'll tell you why (because I know you are too dumb to figure it out). Mugabe is doing all this because he knows the people are not behind him. If they were, then why not let independent observers in, and have free and fair polls. The people are not behind him and he knows it. That includes the 20,000 people that were murdered by the genocidal maniac. Face it Kube, from the safety of New Zealand, under your warm blanket watching shortland street with your milo, you are defending the undefendable. I'm just glad for once you didnt mention sanctions. At least you are slowly learning.

The typical rantings of a despot bent on the destruction of his country over the lives of his people. I feel sorry for the people of Zimbabwe, when Mugabe loses he will kill and miam untold numbers of the population, what has happened today is nothing compared to what he is about to do. He will never step down, and the parasites surrounding him will rub their hands in glee as they continue to rape the country. The election is a complete farce, opposition unable to campain, and now faced with arrest if asking the people to vote for them. The violence is perpertrated by the ruling party, the police advise those that are victims to protect themselves, and then arrest them! Mbeki, Kaunda and others should hang their heads in shame, at least their people can see what is happening and will get rid of them.

mugabe must agree with wishes of the people of zimbabwe,they have told him,he must surely go.i ask him not to listen to britain and america,they are not helping anyone by telling you to go,but, please try to obey the people's wishes -go.please go.negative comments will never help.

Now we know Mugabes law degrees are fake.

Glyph, is that the best you can do? INSECT BRAIN!

Well Kubabtana thanks for that.

I guess I have to explain myself to you, but then there's no change there.

Comrade Sir Robert Mugabe KCB allegedly has 2 law degrees and yet he states he is going to arrest the MDC leadership for, "Vicarious Liability", as any 1st year law student knows vicarious liability is an offence in tort and not a criminal offence, tortious offences are not arrestable, unless you make the law up as you go along.

There was a bit of a debate a while ago regarding the validity of Mugabes alleged degrees and I expressed doubt as to the fact he studied a qualifying law degree in prison, a prison with a fully stocked legal collection(in then Rhodesia)?

I guess Mugabe proved me right, if I have the brain of an insect, that must make you an amoeba?

Basics Kube, basics.

Glyp and INdie, it is really funny that just a few short years ago Mugabe was the darling of the west and the rhodies. He was your blue eyed boy until he decided to do the right thing and took our land back - and now he is the most hated black man alive. As long as he was playing the game by YOUR rules he was the best but as soon as he wanted to change the rules - TROUBLE! Sad but so true!

Was that before or after he murdered 20,000 of his own people?

This post was deleted because it contravenes AllAfrica's commenting guidelines.

apparently fornification under consent of the king is not allowed. Apologies people.

what bob is saying in his campaign rallies is bull shit.do you think at his age and that of his cronies like chinoz(war vets) are that fit to be engaged in a war.if they think soldiers will be on their side they are doomed ,maybe only senior officers who are enjoying from him(bob).they drive flashy cars,stay in mansions,send their kids to good schools yet other soldiers from rank of major and below cannot even afford three meals a day for their families.big shefs from army looted farms ,equipment&livestock so for them they have something to defend but to ordinary soldiers there is nothing to fight for.why should i fight my relatives?just becoz they want change because bob has failed.we all aspire to own houses,cars and all those luxuries like them but they have reduced a very professional to nothing.Grace should just keep quiet & enjoy those looted riches,thats why she left her husband for this old man just because she likes a lavish life.who is she to sat tsvangson will never see the inside of state house.she has forgotten that it belongs to zimbabwe not her uncle cum husband.let people choose their leader.

disgruntled soja, Im happy u told the truth tt most ZANU pf thugs and even Mugabe have neva thot not even for a single day tt not all soldiers will b on their side in case of full scale war against their wown families. Anyway,its a pity tt for now some army and police members r already being used at Mugabe´s cost to kill,kidnap and beat their own brothers, so how will the people of zim b sure of what the army wld do in case of war.Will they b there to protects the unarmed civilians as they promised on swearing or they will fight against the people in favour of an old president who has failed and driven the country in to poverty,bloodshed and shame. we all know tt soldiers r forced by their bosses to obey anything,including killing innocent ple just becos they have been told to do so by the president,even something that goes against the constitution soldiers do it becos the old dictator said so,now soldiers have stopped protecting the people,all they can do is to protect Mugabe, till when will the Zimbabwean ordinary soldiers learn to understand their job description?????????its a shame but we have hope tt one day things will change and we will b answerable to everything we have done agains God and against humanity. Thanks dear soldier, i wish all soldiers wld think the way yu do,excellent

Kubatana6 you make us sick, I really wonder what you are benefiting from the current zanu pf leadership. It surprises me kuti with all the struggles that we are experiencing one still find the energy to waste supporting these thugs. Speaking of thugs and violence, its common knowledge who is perpetrating it, as we speak fear is gripping Chitungwiza with two MDC councillors' house just vandalised and all property burnt, they want to attack churchs because mdc leadership attends services there. This is very silly. Now if you dont attend zanu rallies they are threatening to burn your house. We can not even start saying whats happening in the rural areas were mugabe lost, its chaos. And yet someone still sing praises to these thugs - silly maningi. I think this is a time not to just say things for the sake of getting an urgument going but to be true to our nation and be patriotic about it, not lunatic like zanu apologist like Kubata6

I hope all those that support bob know, sooner or later his judgment day is coming. his 85 how long do you really think his going to survive.

I actually feel sorry for him living in that paranoid world that everyone is after him.

For those that want to fight, lets fight we are young and have the backing of the world, your families are the one's that are going to suffer.

No evil has ever prospered

I bet Kubatana is busy looking up what an amoeba is. What is it Kubatana? HA! Ha! Ha!

Who cares stupid!

So he didnt know afterall. Kube is so dumb.

Kubatana is afraid to describe the amoeba because he will be describing himself.

At least amoeba is made up of one cell. Kubatana on the other hand is merely a bad dose of swamp gas that has no direction unless the wind blows. Best we strike a match !