I love how the Herald makes out Chissano is a big player. Like its a battle between Chissano and the West. The west couldnt care less what Chissano says. Its like a mute ant shouting at a deaf elephant.

Tyranies have gone and Mugabe has to go. Because it is the wishe of the Zimbabwaen people no matter what the likes of chissano may say time is now and the will of god will prevail over the Zimbabwean people and he is sooner or later going to pay for the price for this humantarian crisis. Viva MDC

The words in parenthesis and capitals are from the Herald the rest is from the Zimbabwe Guardian, I think you'll see what I'm getting at:

FORMER Mozambican president Joaquim Chissano criticised(BLASTED) Europe and the United States for (BEING OBSESSED WITH ATTACKING)exerting more pressure on Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe while Zimbabweans suffer. "We must think of the people who are suffering under an embargo-like situation. Nobody cooperates with Zimbabwe anymore," Chissano told the Sueddeutsche Zeitung in an interview(PUBLISHED YESTERDAY).

"The Europeans and Americans are focusing too strongly on (PRESIDENT)Mugabe." Chissano said the most important consideration, above and beyond politics, was the need to rescue Zimbabwe's sanctioned economy. Chissano also said if President Mugabe was willing to make a new start it was not important that he step down. "A new start must be made to improve the economic situation. For me it is not important whether Mugabe steps down but whether there is a new start." He also said that (HEAPING)putting pressure on President Mugabe's government (COULD BE) is unhelpful and counter-productive. HERALD ONLY: ("The election is not over, so I cannot say yet whether (Cde) Mugabe must go. One must leave him the opportunity for dialogue). "Change that is brought about by pressure does not last. Whenever pressure has been exerted on Zimbabwe, the situation has worsened." Former colonial power Britain and Australia have promised, "more"[sarcasm added] sanctions on Zimbabwe if President Mugabe wins the run-off election next week.

It just goes to show, you read one pro mugabe rag you've read them all.

The Zimbabwe G-erald......copied from another source for you by the Junta Of...Plagiarists?

Let's not forget how virtually all these people were one in agreement that sanctions were a good tool against Rhodesia and in bringing Smithy to heel. How tunes change ...how tunes change.

Turnex, Rhodesia is a completely defeated country and increasingly exists only on the internet and outside Zimbabwe. You are out, and very bitter white people. Now most of you are doing manual labor, cleaning toilets in Europe. Your vile is all over that even in South Africa you are hated. And quite frankly who cares about Rhodesia anymore! It has been 27 years since your defeat and now less than 40,000 of your kind live in Zimbabwe. Some of your kind are now destitute and beggars in Bulawayo and other Zimbabwean cities. What a site! to see a white Rhodesian beggar. You get no mercy from me and others. You are a bad batch of people. Your children have no future in Zimbabwe or elsewhere for that matter. You are an evil batch and so-called "White-Africans" what a joke!

turnex, see why I said you should write to Phiri in Shona again? He still thinks you're white because you critisize the Zim govt.

Phiri, we've been over this stupid "you're all toilet cleaners" argument before. Nobody is believes that rubbish. If you really don't care about Rhodesia and "Rhodies" then why do you keep going on about them? Let go of your blame and move forward!

mindpower, I totally get you man. We used to have a term for people like this..remember it..we called people like him a mufourteen...ha ha ha

Phiri, respond to my post instead of accusing me of being this or the other. All I pointed out was when the world was clamouring for sanctions against rhodesia not one voice came out and said it was a bad thing...and dont forget it was WHITE countries including the Britain you hate so much now that imposed these sanctions. The rhodesians were being punished for refusing one man one vote..today we have a horrid little thug murdering his own people and the only sanction against HIM and HIS cronies is not to go on shopping trips to EU and USA and all you eggheads are calling for them to be lifted saying it is harming the people of zimbabwe. I did not know that mugabe and grace did groceries for zimbabweans everytime they travelled abroad!!!

You betray your prejudices in your other rant about toilet cleaners. What is wrong with cleaning toilets?? Who is meant to clean them then?? Do you not clean your own toilet at home?? Your thinking is what has destroyed zimbabwe...the "its not my job" mentality. yes, I cleaned toilets and swept streets when I first arrived abroad..but you want to know something, I now hold a high position in an international company..not bad for someone who only a few years ago realised to feed oneself I had to do whatever work came my way now is it???

What about you??? What are you doing with all your hard earned currency that is hurtling down the toilet faster than you can earn it????

In 1965 l was old enough to know what was going on havi been born at the start of 1943 and also was living in Highfield township, the then spiritual capital of african nationalism .... there were no sanctions in practice. l remember columns of white south africans bringing petrol. Rhodesia carried on under the racist Field and Smith who replaced Sir Edgar Whitehead, the then prime minister. You certainly telling hal-truth mixed with downright manipulative lies. In short, you blah blah blah

Give me a big break dear Chissano. Few days ago you signed a letter protesting Mugabe...

You took the words right out of my mouth!!!

Blah Blah...illegal economic sanctions imposed by the United States, European Union and their allies... blah blah... yet still no proof of sanctions. Even if there were sanctions, what would make them illegal? And besides the sanctions, its not just the United States and the European Union, its Mugabe's good friend China and South AFrica who are refusing to lend money to Zimbababwe.

Atw independent....blah..blah....no sanctions on Zimbabwe! What an idiot lacking common sense....blah..blah..blah I'm an anglomianic bastard....know everything what is going on in UK, USA, EU about Zimbabwe! Right you know about horse shoe!

You aw..independent are just another completed fool....

I'm just trying to show that there are no sanctions, and the Mugabe government just uses the made up term 'illegal sanctions' to take the blame for there poor governance. People like you Phiri keep saying there are sanctions when clearly the sanctions are only on government ministers travel (130 people) and on arms. Yes the ZANU-PF government and you say these are responsible for the downfall of the Zim economy. What utter BS. Countries and organisations that are refusing to lend money to Zim (including China and South Africa) do not count as sanctions. Mugabe is trying to paint the west as evil because he is saying that this failure to lend money to Zim are sanctions. But he fails to mention that China and South Africa are included. The whole concept of 'illegal sanctions' has been designed by the Mugabe government to create an enemy of the west. If that were not the case they would say the west & the east (china)as China has also denied loans to Zim. It really is quite simple. So I ask you, why does the Zim government not mention China and South Africa when it talks about sanctions?

awt...I am surprised you even bothered to respond to his last rant. This is one person who firmly believes mugabe is a saint and on equal standing with the likes of mother theresa and the like..that zimbabwe is thriving and the currency is much sought after...that there are selous scouts on every harare street corner waiting to pounce and destroy zimbabwe...that the americans and british want to invade zimbabwe and are shy to do so openly so would rather sponsor a black puppet to do it for them...that anyone who speaks against zimbabwe has been "got at" by the usa and brits and is now receiving a handsome wage every week to come on here and speak his "new thoughts"...etc.I could go on but what is the point..best avoid empty heads like this and let them fatigue themselves with their works of fiction!

mindpower.awt.glyph...my fellow scribes...read the article by the Herald..!!!!.nowhere does Chissano say the illegal sanctions must be lifted...in fact he does not even talk about the lifting of illegal sanctions. This is the herald up to its tricks again. What chissano said was zimbabwe was now operating under and I quote "an embargo-like situation"...the herald then went to put words in his mouth by saying he is calling for illegal sanctions to be lifted! If you look at the article the words of Chissano are all in parentheses..whereas the calling for the "illegal sanctions to be lifted" are NOT..meaning some sloppy zanupf journalist(it sticks in my throat calling one of those scribblers at the herald a journalist) inserted his own party political broadcast and ascribed the words to chissano. These dodos are clutching at straws now..anyone that mentions the word sanction is immediately reported in their rag as having said the west has imposed illegal sanctions on zimbabwe. What a shower of shite they all are!

The Herald up to its tricks again. ARe there people out here that take that paper seriously? That cant see through its lies? I pity those people.

awt independent, you are free to say that there are no sanctions on Zimbabwe. But, it would be very unfair and dangerous for the people of Zimbabwe not to take the UK gov't seriously when they say additional sanctions are on the way. Why should we listen to you and not the authorities in EU, UK and USA planning for more sanctions.

You people are being dishonest, I think you know the word "sanctions" mean that the MDC will be held responsible by the people of Zimbabwe. You fear that it could harden the people of Zimbabwe towards the opposition. They is something sinister about your denieyal!

Phiri..even chissano does not believe there are sanctions..the herald decided to put words in his mouth. yes the EU is calling for more sanctions as opposed to the travel ban...surely a man of your intellect can work that out..if there were the comprehensive sanctions you speak of....what other sanctions could be imposed. If the country is already on its knees because of the "comphrehensive sanctions" you speak of...what more sanctions can be imposed??? it is only now the EU wants to impose sanctions and the sooner they do the better!!!! The sooner that geriatric waste of space and his profligate tart get run out of town the better..along with their cronies!!!!

Hansard: 12 Jun 2008 : Column 444W

Zimbabwe: Sanctions

John Battle: To ask the Secretary of State for International Development what estimate he has made of the effect of economic sanctions on food and medicine distribution in Zimbabwe in 2007-08; and if he will make a statement. [209744]

Mr. Douglas Alexander: There were no UK or EU economic sanctions targeting Zimbabwe in 2007-08, nor are there any at present. There are EU targeted measures that impose a visa ban and asset freeze on President Mugabe and 130 named individuals. There is an EU embargo on selling arms to Zimbabwe. There are no other UK or EU sanctions on Zimbabwe. The UK Government do not wish to punish the people of Zimbabwe for the wrongdoings of the regime. In 2007-08, we provided £45 million of humanitarian assistance, including for essential medicines and food.

Pepper v Hart [1993] AC 593 is a landmark decision of the House of Lords on the use of legislative history in statutory interpretation. Hansard is considered the ABSOLUTE truth!

This is from the highest authority in the United Kingdom, Hansard is classed by lawyers as almost sacred text, in 500 years legal scholars will be referring to Hansard. THERE ARE NO SANCTIONS!

Please wake up I implore you *LOL*

Sanctions do exist and the specific one in this case that affects socio economic issues is the ZIMBABWE DEMOCRATIC AND ECONOMIC RECOVERY ACT 2001. whereby multi lateral institutionss like IMF, WORLD BANK, AFRICA DEVLOPMENT BANK,ASIA DEVELOPMENT BANK, AFRICA DEVELOPMENT FUND etc. cannot give loans or cancel international debts to Zimbabwe unless the president of America accedes to it. To be specific section 4C of the act gives power to this tragic act. America has influence(voting right)in every single multi lateral institution that you can think of and for 8yrs now Zimbabwe has been a cash economy. In a nutshell these sanctions include:suspension of balance of payment support,suspension of technical assistance,suspension of voting and related rights by IMF and declaration of ineligibility to access fund resources. Just recently Zimbabwe was denied denied funds under the global resource fund for HIV and AIDS for political reasons and all this is contrary to United Nations and IMF prinicpal charters. While what is going on in Zimbabwe is sad we should look beyond individuals in this case Morgan and Bob because a change of President will not solve the issue. There is a political impasse. in Zimbabwe. I just do not see Tsvangirayi being a President in Zimbabwe.A lot of powerful people will not allow it and powerful institutions. When people say they are going to send an army to Zim that should be condemned to the core because a lot of people will die and that Zimbabwean army is prepared. I do not think that it would be warranted. Worse issues happened in Kenya but people turned a blind eye and for them to want to send an army to Zim then that is what i would term double standards.Also for Tsvangirayi to fear for his life in Zimbabwe is far fetched.If they really wanted to kill him they would have done it by now.To seek refuge at an embassy where the only security that is there is a MIDSEC security guard who last had a decent meal about three days ago is rather silly.He should stop playing to the gallery because the more there is external intevention the more zanu becomes hardened. I wish him the best of luck in his futile exercise. The army commander clearly stated that they shall never be ruled by a 'HOUSE NIGGER'.its so sad.Dialogue is the way forward and character assasinating should stop outright.It does not matter what the outside world says because everything they are doing is within the armbits of the ZIMBABWEAN CONSTITUTION whether draconian or not its still the highest law in the land. Hence Tendai Biti is dancing the tune for his utterances. I sympathise with the chap. merely airing my view which i think should be the beauty of engaging each other and having these discourses.

congratulations to Phiri. He has learned a new word;" blah"

He has just reiterated something i have always said, Blame the west and US for zimbabwes economic problems. Zimbabwe never had those issue 3 years ago, why now? and yet Mugabe was in power. All those sanctions affecting their currency and ability to borrow can only benefit Europe as the more Africa is estopped from moving forwards and attaining any form of economic stability is music their ears.

Do you think its music to China's ears too? They also refused to lend money to Zim also :-)