Dr. Mwanawasa, the world applauds you!

Dr.Mwanawasa, it was a timely descision as a SADC C/person and any member country that may not support such, their democratic despensation in their countries is also questionable. You tried to deplomatically defend some member countries on the cold feet that they have developed on the zimbabean issue from the pressmen and indications are that not all are with you. Infact if a civil war brokeout in that country the first country that is so peaceful and easily accomodates is our beloved Zambia in this region to which the majority would seek refugee.A Great country we are, though they have never lived to appreciate the greatest sucrifices we made for there independences in the region.God bless our nation.

Mwanawasa must be forgetful. Two years is nothing to forget how he himself re-elected into office. Just because you got a rich allay somewhere in the West does not make Mwanawasa was elected democratically. Mugabe at least claims to defend the gains of his liberation movement. What was Mwanawasa's claim rigging vote into office? Of Course Power and Corruption. I do not take Mwanawasa seriously although I disagree the Zimbabawe election process and violence.

To label Dr. Mwanawasa as a forgotful individual in his relentless effort to provide direction in Zimbabwe, can only come from a Zimbabwean that has no vision and who also suffers from a lack of perspective, like many Zimbabweans have shown over the year following their independence, which was also fought for them by Zambians. Its no wonder that only a Zambian leader seem to openly care in expressing his views about what Zimbabwe has desintegrated into.

The Political atmosphere during the past election in Zambia, is indeed nowhere close to the herridous sequence of events that Zimbabweans and the world have witnessed lately. The scale of animosity unfolding in Zimbabwe begin to make Ida Amin's atrocities upon his own people in Uganda, a child's play. Mugabe's Liberation struggle does not give him any rights at all to abuse the very people he claims to be serving. I believe his sanity is what we should all be questioning now, given his unprecendented advanced age and the demands of presidency, shouldn't we?

Mbeki also does share in this bloodbath, but why are we surprised at all, coming from the man that himself was trying to handtwist the South Africans into conceding to his unconstitutional ambitions for a third term.

For Zambia, everyone knows that Mwanawasa is retiring after his current term, Period; this is the kind of democracy that Zimbabwe, and South Africa to some degree, need education on. My main fear and worry is that South Africa, looking at the rate at which the economy has deteriorated, is itself not every far from what the world is witnessing in Zimbabwe.

Cheers to Mwanawasa, a lot more presidents should emulate this much needed openness in tackling dictators and be riding them off our continent. Yesterday's politics should not be entertained anywhere at all. It is common sense and it has nothing to do with supporting the West. The truth of the matter is that, it should not take the intervention of the West or any othe nation at all, for leaders to respect the will of their people. Now is the time for governments to focus on attaining economic prosperity and not to be fighting stone battles; raping its own citizens literary speaking!!.

Mugabe has mentally lost it, and it shouldn't take the extinction of the entire nation for the world to move in to the rescue of the many innocent and defenseless citizens. How different is Mugabe from Saddam? Isn't this the very reason the US intervened?? Come on, somebody MUST take out that old sinnel miseries either by gun or whatever - his time has long being gone.

Fmartin..well done for that balanced reposte to the idiotic post by that mugabe lover. You are quite right that we did not witness the running battles with innocent people being beaten to within an inch of their lives in zambia as is now the case in zimbabwe. This mugabe loving thug ought to be ashamed of himself!!

WWOoo WWOoo stop! How do you mean Zambia fought for the liberation of Zimbabwe. Achimwene either you do have a selective memory or you do not know your facts. Remember Zim and Zam and Malawi were all ONE country and you chose to babandon us to our fate and broke up the country. Gatsha Butelezi toyed with the idea of going it alone and break off from the rest of South Afrika. You did us no favours achimwene...dont you forget it. Chinamwasa is not going to achieve anything because he lacks the one thing which most Zams should have for Zim leadership, namely respect. You have no respect for the SHONA in particular. You forget Zim has the good fortune of being unique in have 95% Shona.....kalanga, karanga, zezuru, Korekore, Ndau, Maungwe, Manyika, Nhantsva, Tonga, Buja etc etc etc are all one people in the same way Yorkshire, are the same as Brighton people. I still say Mwanawasa is playing to the gallery and he should know that he wont achieve anything. War? Who wnts war? Are sure Zam wants to go to war with Zim. Even from the days of Rhodesias, Zambians had an inferiority complex in a silar way to the way the Irish react to the English. Its a historical thing. It cannot go away. Like the Irish, Zams are always trying to prove a point to Zims. Tshabalala township

WWOoo WWOoo stop! How do you mean Zambia fought for the liberation of Zimbabwe. Achimwene either you do have a selective memory or you do not know your facts. Remember Zim and Zam and Malawi were all ONE country and you chose to babandon us to our fate and broke up the country. Gatsha Butelezi toyed with the idea of going it alone and break off from the rest of South Afrika. You did us no favours achimwene...dont you forget it. Chinamwasa is not going to achieve anything because he lacks the one thing which most Zams should have for Zim leadership, namely respect. You have no respect for the SHONA in particular. You forget Zim has the good fortune of being unique in have 95% Shona.....kalanga, karanga, zezuru, Korekore, Ndau, Maungwe, Manyika, Nhantsva, Tonga, Buja etc etc etc are all one people in the same way Yorkshire, are the same as Brighton people. I still say Mwanawasa is playing to the gallery and he should know that he wont achieve anything. War? Who wnts war? Are sure Zam wants to go to war with Zim. Even from the days of Rhodesias, Zambians had an inferiority complex in a silar way to the way the Irish react to the English. Its a historical thing. It cannot go away. Like the Irish, Zams are always trying to prove a point to Zims. Tshabalala township

WWOoo WWOoo stop! How do you mean Zambia fought for the liberation of Zimbabwe. Achimwene either you do have a selective memory or you do not know your facts. Remember Zim and Zam and Malawi were all ONE country and you chose to babandon us to our fate and broke up the country. Gatsha Butelezi toyed with the idea of going it alone and break off from the rest of South Afrika. You did us no favours achimwene...dont you forget it. Chinamwasa is not going to achieve anything because he lacks the one thing which most Zams should have for Zim leadership, namely respect. You have no respect for the SHONA in particular. You forget Zim has the good fortune of being unique in have 95% Shona.....kalanga, karanga, zezuru, Korekore, Ndau, Maungwe, Manyika, Nhantsva, Tonga, Buja etc etc etc are all one people in the same way Yorkshire, are the same as Brighton people. I still say Mwanawasa is playing to the gallery and he should know that he wont achieve anything. War? Who wnts war? Are sure Zam wants to go to war with Zim. Even from the days of Rhodesias, Zambians had an inferiority complex in a silar way to the way the Irish react to the English. Its a historical thing. It cannot go away. Like the Irish, Zams are always trying to prove a point to Zims. Tshabalala township

I think akapfunde is just one of those cronies of Mugabe who illigally brenefitted from him there is nothing correct and humane in your aticle that the world would accept, exccept the people you are eating with and are blind folded thinking all is well in Zimbabwe.You gonna pay for this price my dear.

Why are you refusing to think. are sure the death of Mugabe et al will change things for the better for africans? Why are there slums in Zambia? Why is it the rural infrastructure in Zambia so bad.....re schools, libraries, social services, clinics etc etc? The president Levy Mwanawasa and his august team are surely not to blame. They are doing their best. Now zimbabwe has sanctions applied by the current rulers of the world, namely, a nefarious web of the English in the UK, USA, Canada, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand etc. They are a power unto themselves. What Mugabe and his team are doing is akin to a group of pupils setting themselves up against their headteacher and his senior managers. No sir, l have never been a member of ZANU, not even my parents before me. We were ZAPU till the Ndebele made the party their own to do as they like. I LOVE ZIMBABWE. I LOVE MY PEOPLE in the same way Enoch Powell loved England. You know that Enoch Powell was one of the greatest modern English man.

President Mwanawasa is right to come forward and express his position as the SADC leader and what he expects. It is well know that Presidents Mugabe and Mwanawasa cannot even sit in the same room. Which is a shame. I know that the Zimbabwean Herald and the Times of Zambia, will begin it's attacks on President Mwanawasa and Mugabe. As a Zimbabwean I believe the best thing to do is avoid blaming our neigbors for our own problems. Far too many times we fail to see that the enemy is us, and not President Mwanawasa or President Mbeki. The Zimbabwean situation has become a disagrace to all SADC people.

Can you imagine how the situation in Zimbabwe has impacted, the much disgraced President Mbeki. President Mbeki had all the right intentions, but talking to Mugabe has proved to be a total waste of time. What a way to send President Mbeki into retirement. Now the supporters of President Mbeki, because of this utter disappointing humialiation are going to go after Zimbabweans in South Africa! The Blame game is over, Zimbabweans now need to look within and at all cost avoid blaming their neigbors!

Phiri, well said. If the SADC was a strong group of men who spoke with one strong voice then things would never have escalated to this level in Zimbabwe. They sat quietly when the Kenyan government lost the elections and he too forced himself on the people, so do we wonder why they have done nothing to Mugabe. Even now they are doing nothing about all the violence still going on especially in western Kenya where the army and the militia continues abducting children as young as 10 years of age and forcing them to be soldiers. Those who somehow escape talk of horrors of beatings, brutal rapes and killings. If only Africans are the ones to solve Africa's problems, then where are the African leaders?

thumbs up to mwanawasa for speaking out against mugabes despotic nature....in as much as his past is filled with question marks his sentiments against the harare regime are still relevant and well timed.

i am not in a position to judge how Mwanawasa got into power whether it was by riging or not but i cant tell you this. i dont think the violence being perpatrated by mugabe can be justified because you enterd the presidency by rigging. the beheadings that are going on in Zimbabwe are real and the situation is now unbearable. this is peoples lives we are talking about. the military bases have been set up and peaple are being killed, Raped or mamed. our African leaders have left him for too long. he has decended on the innocent Zimbabweans like no mans business. you have no rights here anymore. thoes who support what mugabe is doing are thugs and are somehow benefiting from what is happening directly from Mugabe. We as Africans can not allow what happend in Ruwanda to continue just because its not happening to us. the African Union must mean something not just being a body of no effect. SADC must do something because if you allow this to go on all other African countries will follow suit. Lets unite for a new Africa with purpose to develop not fight. Well done Mwanawasa people should not condon these human rights abuses especialy Africans.

Whats going on in Zim is very very bad.One would have predicted all this ten years ago when Tsvangi set about asking his friends to messy up Zims economy by asking for sanctions against his own country. Tsvangi hoped that when Zims go hungry they would rise up against their government and overthrow mugabe et al. Tsvangi did and still does not care about the consequences of his actions on the general public in Zim. He looks after the interests of the Rhodesians and their friends. Look, now he has gone into hiding. What kind of a general is he? Mumwe wangu Tsvangi haudenhe mako kuti mombe dzirumwe.....Uri mbwende. Of course, people are suffering. Its only the beginning. Mugabe is not an individual but a concept. You cannot remove it by shooting at it. You got kill a lot of people to control it. Destroy it... NEVER.

akapfunde1, why are all your posts always full of lies? When did the MDC ever ask for sanctions against Zimbabwe? What nonsence. Why do you make these lies up? The only sanctions against Zim are that of travel against government ministers. You really are a poor deluted soul who has no grasp of reality. As for the comment about "you got kill a lot of people to control it" Do you mean like the 20,000 Ndebele people that Mugabe killed in the 80's? Thats a pretty sick stance if you ask me. Finally have you figured out that the first and second world wars involved more than just England and Germany or are you still stupid?

You call me stupid and other vulgar things just because l dont see things your way! Very eye opening!! Of course the war was not a world war. It was a european war. PERIOD. Just because the English were lucky enough at the time to have a web of the their own people all around the globe does not make their quarrell with the germans a world fight. Please come down from the tree and feel the earth's soil.The great man, Winston Churhill,declared war against Germany, not against even Europe, not to mention the world. Today l shall draw your attention to another fact, namely Europe is NOT a continent in the same way Canada or Brazil are NOT continents. Europe is a corner of the Asian mass of land. Dont tell me that David Livingstone was the discovered Motsi-wa-Tunya or the ......l can go on.

Dear oh dear. You just keep making yourself look sillier and sillier dont you. I think you should just stop while you still have some remnants of credibility. So now you change your tune. So now it wasnt a war between England and Germany, it is now a European war only. We're slowly getting there arent we. What the hell were Japan doing bombing pearly harbour? And now you think that Europe is not a continent and that Europe is actually part of Asia? Are you having a laugh? I think you need to go back to primary school and resit geography. There is definately a village out there missing an idiot!

My young brother, l defend your right to call me 'stupid', 'idiot' and other vulgarities. Who is purile (from puer = boy in Latin) and emotional. Grow up. l am sure you are more than 18 years old. Join me in thinking. Why are European wars world wars but African or Asian war not. HOW DO YOU DEFINE A CONTINENT? Europe is not a geographical continent but a political one. When Europeans have finally emerged from their racist world, for they are certainly moving away from that, geograpphy tetbooks will be rewritten.l LOVE you and all people like you who call me names because they do not want to come out of their cocoon

akapfunde, c'mon man you can't be that ignorant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participants_in_World_War_II

Whats going on in Zim is very very bad.One would have predicted all this ten years ago when Tsvangi set about asking his friends to messy up Zims economy by asking for sanctions against his own country. Tsvangi hoped that when Zims go hungry they would rise up against their government and overthrow mugabe et al. Tsvangi did and still does not care about the consequences of his actions on the general public in Zim. He looks after the interests of the Rhodesians and their friends. Look, now he has gone into hiding. What kind of a general is he? Mumwe wangu Tsvangi haudenhe mako kuti mombe dzirumwe.....Uri mbwende. Of course, people are suffering. Its only the beginning. Mugabe is not an individual but a concept. You cannot remove it by shooting at it. You got kill a lot of people to control it. Destroy it... NEVER.

Whats going on in Zim is very very bad.One would have predicted all this ten years ago when Tsvangi set about asking his friends to messy up Zims economy by asking for sanctions against his own country. Tsvangi hoped that when Zims go hungry they would rise up against their government and overthrow mugabe et al. Tsvangi did and still does not care about the consequences of his actions on the general public in Zim. He looks after the interests of the Rhodesians and their friends. Look, now he has gone into hiding. What kind of a general is he? Mumwe wangu Tsvangi haudenhe mako kuti mombe dzirumwe.....Uri mbwende. Of course, people are suffering. Its only the beginning. Mugabe is not an individual but a concept. You cannot remove it by shooting at it. You got kill a lot of people to control it. Destroy it... NEVER.

Tsvangirai pulled out of the run-off because he doesn't want to see more black Zimbabweans hurt and killed and you say he doesn't care about the people? After all his work getting better rights for workers you say he doesn't care about the people.

How much are you benefitting from ZANU-PF that you would write this kind of garbage?

dont worry about akafunboy, he doesnt know what he is talking about. He thinks that both world wars were a one on one with Germany and England. I dont think I know anyone that stupid.

Ooye stop! Brother Tsvangi is no different from Moise Tshombe. He has his English handlers and he does what he is told. Period. l shall defend his right to be the president of his country, Great Zimbabwe. But l disagree with his politics. He reminds one of the weather in London... very unreliable. Of course, mistakes have been made by the boys running our gvt. But the point is that they are DOING THEIR BEST.....this l am sure of. There are a lot of very very very capable people in the civil service. Our major problem is a lack of respect for leadership by the Zimbabwean commoners. Every one things he can stand up and be disrespectiful of the presidency. Zambians, Malawians and Mozambiquans ARE NOT LIKE THAT. They disagree on issues but they are NEVER vulgar and do not use expletives unbecoming of civil society. Brother Tsvangi is going to suffer too from this lack of respect of the leader. In fact the break up o fthe MDC was caused by this disease. The good professor thought he could step into Tsvangi's shoes and be just as successful. He was wrong!!

Akapfunde, "Mugabe is a concept?" Of what? Evil? No. He IS evil.

OOOh Boy Boy. Of course, some concepts are evil and nefarious eg colonialism, racism and l am told Nazism is a bad thing. l have lived under the first two and, boy, they atud you growth.

Akapfunde, I agree that all those 'isms' you mentioned are evil and no one should ever experience them. You know about them first hand. They strip you of your dignity, make you feel you are nothing, take away all your liberties, literally tie your hands behind your back as you cannot reach your potential and progress in life,and they break you physically emotionally and spiritually and where there is blatant disregard for law, death. All these things I have mentioned cause strife and suffering. Why then would YOU of all people, whose parents too went through all that, sit back and CONDONE Mugabe abducting, beating, severing limbs, burning people alive and killing them? Is it because those who are going through all this torture are not related to you? Ruling by oppression and violence does that constitute a great leader to you? Perhaps the old African mind is wired to accept brutality when metered by an African leader. At 66 years of age you should be a source of valuable advice to all these misguided youngsters but instead you run along with them just as misguided because you put emphasis on THINGS but do not value life. Sad.

My young man, I do not approve of the murders, tortures and oppressive activities going on in Great Zimbabwe. In fact, l have literal cried when l saw pictures of young people with unimaginably horrible wounds. I am a grandparent. l automatically put myself in the place of the parents or the adults in their families. Its shocking. But where l differ in the debate about the way forward. Most of you young people have travelled and seen much more than l did by the time l was 45years old, l expect you to know much more and discuss your future in a calm, calculating and comprehensive way. Ko kutukirira kuno batsireyiko. Shouting insults on the internet takes you in the wrong direction. O f course sometimes l deliberately make provocative statements to get you thinking. I was only eleven years, (doing form one) when me and couple youngsters were picked up by the police. To cut a long story short, we ended up at the main jail, come morning we were made to clean and sweep around the cells holding condemned prisoners. l remember working around the big metal coffins used for the ones excuted. Later in the morning we were laid on a long table, shorts taken off and each one of us given six cuts. Some of my friends were younger than me. So dont you tell me about suffering. I have first hand experience. THE FUTUREIS YOURS sorry for boring you.

My young man, I do not approve of the murders, tortures and oppressive activities going on in Great Zimbabwe. In fact, l have literal cried when l saw pictures of young people with unimaginably horrible wounds. I am a grandparent. l automatically put myself in the place of the parents or the adults in their families. Its shocking. But where l differ in the debate about the way forward. Most of you young people have travelled and seen much more than l did by the time l was 45years old, l expect you to know much more and discuss your future in a calm, calculating and comprehensive way. Ko kutukirira kuno batsireyiko. Shouting insults on the internet takes you in the wrong direction. O f course sometimes l deliberately make provocative statements to get you thinking. I was only eleven years, (doing form one) when me and couple youngsters were picked up by the police. To cut a long story short, we ended up at the main jail, come morning we were made to clean and sweep around the cells holding condemned prisoners. l remember working around the big metal coffins used for the ones excuted. Later in the morning we were laid on a long table, shorts taken off and each one of us given six cuts. Some of my friends were younger than me. So dont you tell me about suffering. I have first hand experience. THE FUTUREIS YOURS sorry for boring you.

My young man, I do not approve of the murders, tortures and oppressive activities going on in Great Zimbabwe. In fact, l have literal cried when l saw pictures of young people with unimaginably horrible wounds. I am a grandparent. l automatically put myself in the place of the parents or the adults in their families. Its shocking. But where l differ in the debate about the way forward. Most of you young people have travelled and seen much more than l did by the time l was 45years old, l expect you to know much more and discuss your future in a calm, calculating and comprehensive way. Ko kutukirira kuno batsireyiko. Shouting insults on the internet takes you in the wrong direction. O f course sometimes l deliberately make provocative statements to get you thinking. I was only eleven years, (doing form one) when me and couple youngsters were picked up by the police. To cut a long story short, we ended up at the main jail, come morning we were made to clean and sweep around the cells holding condemned prisoners. l remember working around the big metal coffins used for the ones excuted. Later in the morning we were laid on a long table, shorts taken off and each one of us given six cuts. Some of my friends were younger than me. So dont you tell me about suffering. I have first hand experience. THE FUTUREIS YOURS sorry for boring you.

Akapfunde:it seems you know a lot of things, but i don't know whaat you are doing to help zimbabeans come out of that situation, if really you are a grandfarther let not your history become a tool for criticism, what ever you went through when you were young could be bad, but the point is what do you think about zimbabwe. At somepoints i see you to be a tribalist, this is where us africans make a mistake because we just want to recognise our selves as a tribe and this always brings tribalism which create tribal wrs, if each tribe was to bring up stories which they suffered what can happen! this time is time to speak about zimbabwe not tribes. if you are enjoying your stay there help don't be greed help also others regardless of tribe, criticising won't help solve any thing but will just show how ignorant we are by talking and talking without solving anything, i know president Mwanawansa can't do much to change things in zim but he did that for those who have no word in zim. Akapfunde why can't you be a good Grand papa for the better of the less priveredged. History will remain history if we don't put things in practice. kenny.it

No Sir I am not tribalist whatever that means. Of course I am proud Shona man just as Scots man can be proud of his type. More seriously, l am proud to be born a Zimbabwean though I would have preferred to be a citizen of the Central African Federation made upof Malawi, Mozambique, Zambia and Zimbabwe with the Capital at LIlongwe. ..jest a dream.