Lunatic Mugabe has just to give up executive power since Zimbabweans in their greta majority ahve already dished him into the dustbin of history. He is desperately clinging to illegitimate power.

In another country with a professional Army and democratic institutions, murderer Mugabe would have already been sweating in jail for the rest of his life.

Zimbabwe needs a fresh start and with people with clean hands. If Mbeki cannot deliver, and if he cannot understand why Mugabe should not continue confiscating power illegitimately, he has just to leave the hard work to Zuma and the civil society.

Nobody, sound in mind, would give murderer Mugabe another day to prolong the bleeding and sufferings that Zimbabweans are going through.

Politics has it that one or some are to be excused from the next gvt after this crisis talks. Likely it is that our dear boycott boy may again lose the opportunity to be in gvt and steer things to his advantage in prep for next elections thanks to the ever malicious advise from little wasted western political brains. Talks and GNU is about the economy and total liberty, if we had a better economy and better economic opportunities we would not be worried if a dumb like George Bush runs our country. The only sticking point is in recognition of the state of economic affairs in Zim and respect urgent need to halt its further decline. Those wishfully think that they will have political mileage with the continuation of suffering of Zimbabweans will end up being victims of their selfish goals.

The game of politics must continue now without making innocent people pay with their lives through direct violence and economic sabotage. Those promising monies after making us suffer for too long may go and hang a million times. Let parliament be in place and who ever doesn’t want it must not attend and new votes will be conducted against them. We want political marriages for economic conveniences that better everyone’s life.

Those who hate Mugabe or Tsvangirai must be pardoned as they remain hate imbeciles and let those who love this country contribute immensely on the economic front by advocating for the lifting of sanctions pressured by Britain and American from international non political finance institutions. Let those who continue advocating for the suffering of Zimbos face the full wreath of the law as treasonous arrogant individuals.

Woohoo, a holy-alliance of Robert and Arthur, as they put their sticking points in Morgan's back!! Me thinks there's something fishy here. Comrade Putin just went next door and kicked his neighbour's a.se for making his little boat rock. Why cant Comrade Thabo go and kick Uncle Bob and his little comrades a.ses? And just give everyone a break, pleeeez!!!

Woohoo, a holy-alliance of Robert and Arthur, as they put their sticking points in Morgan's back!! Me thinks there's something fishy here. Comrade Putin just went next door and kicked his neighbour's a.se for making his little boat rock. Why cant Comrade Thabo go and kick Uncle Bob and his little comrades a.ses? And just give everyone a break, pleeeez!!!

Politics has it that one or some are to be excused from the next gvt after this crisis talks. Likely it is that our dear boycott boy may again lose the opportunity to be in gvt and steer things to his advantage in prep for next elections thanks to the ever malicious advise from little wasted western political brains. Talks and GNU is about the economy and total liberty, if we had a better economy and better economic opportunities we would not be worried if a dumb like George Bush runs our country. The only sticking point is in recognition of the state of economic affairs in Zim and respect urgent need to halt its further decline. Those wishfully think that they will have political mileage with the continuation of suffering of Zimbabweans will end up being victims of their selfish goals.

The game of politics must continue now without making innocent people pay with their lives through direct violence and economic sabotage. Those promising monies after making us suffer for too long may go and hang a million times. Let parliament be in place and who ever doesn’t want it must not attend and new votes will be conducted against them. We want political marriages for economic conveniences that better everyone’s life.

Those who hate Mugabe or Tsvangirai must be pardoned as they remain hate imbeciles and let those who love this country contribute immensely on the economic front by advocating for the lifting of sanctions pressured by Britain and American from international non political finance institutions. Let those who continue advocating for the suffering of Zimbos face the full wreath of the law as treasonous arrogant individuals.

'Insiders last night said Tsvangirai refused to append his signature to the political settlement after being advised to only proceed with the talks after a "cooling-off period".

The insiders indicated that Tsvangirai had been changing positions during the talks and that he had even misled his negotiators who had been meeting in South Africa over the past three weeks'.

Why am I not surprised? Tsvangirai should know by now that he can't please all of the people all of the time. He spends so much time pampering to his Western allies whilst at the same time trying to pamper to his Zimbabwean supporters that he ends up looking and behaving like an indecisive fool.

Man up, Tsvangirai, and grow a spine. Zimbabwe is no place for a leader without a backbone. Make a decision and stick to it with conviction or get out of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat.

Selector.. you believe what the Herald says? This paper has zero credibility after what its published during the last few months.

As for "The insiders indicated that Tsvangirai had been changing positions during the talks..." Shouldnt the Herald be blasting the ZANU PF for quite obviously breaking the rule that what happens during the negotiations should not be talked about through the media?

awt, I like any news paper/agency, I believe some of what the Herald says.

As for the media blackout, I thought that was down to the talks being originally scheduled for two weeks and the agreed blackout being two weeks. The talks have overrun but the two weeks were up last weekend.

About Tsvangirai, for a party leader I find him terribly indecisive. He seems incapable of making and sticking to executive decisions of/on his own - even about himself. He told the world's press that he would be returning to Zimbabwe 'in the next few days' for more than a month after the March 29 elections when he hung out in SA. He said his party would take part in the run-off elections, actively took part in the run-up to such elections and finally pulled out three days before the due date despite have ninety days to do so before. These are not the actions of a decisive leader.

It is easy for me to believe that Tsvangirai committed to one thing and then came back with a different set of demands. It's in the man's nature and does nothing to dispel the notion that he is not his own decision maker but instead answers to other parties, unknown, elsewhere.

I disagree... I think by preparing for the run off, and trying to get over the line, and then having to make the decision pull out of the run off election due to the violence his supporters faced showed great humanitarian leadership. Putting the lives of his supporters first. It wasnt fair of him to ask his supporters to vote for him, if that vote would cost them their life. Pretty simple really. A tough decision, but one that had to be made to spare lives.

As for the 2 weeks, thats a pretty lame excuse. Are you saying that the whole memorandum of understanding agreed before the talks becomes invalid after 2 weeks? Then why are they still bothering to negotiate if that no longer applies? Pretty sure if the MDC started holding press conferences after each session, Mugabe would be complaining left right and centre. You know it!

No I don't. What you and I both know is that there's been a veritable wealth of reports from 'MDC sources' on this very site about the talks for the best part of ten days with neither Mugabe nor Zanu-PF complaining a jot.

It's easy enough to check, click on the Zimbabwe news link on this site.

"Author: awt_independent Selector.. you believe what the Herald says? This paper has zero credibility after what its published during the last few months."

Not claiming to answer for Selector, I can say yes to your question. If it wasn't for the Herald, New African, and a very few others the only news we'd have from and about Zimbabwe would be from the massive, lying western media who will tell any lie, distort any fact, exaggerate any incident and fabricate any story to support the goals of the western countries, while at the same time proclaim loudly and long about the need and greatest of a free press. Talk about having zero credibility, there's one for you!

So the herald evens it up by publishing its "massive, lying Zimbabwean media who will tell any lie, distort any fact, exaggerate any incident and fabricate any story to support the goals of the ZANU PF"? Come on mate, everyone knows the Herald is just full of lies from the Mugabe Government praising a baby killer.

"So the herald evens it up by publishing its "massive, lying Zimbabwean media who will tell any lie, distort any fact, exaggerate any incident and fabricate any story to support the goals of the ZANU PF"? Come on mate, everyone knows the Herald is just full of lies from the Mugabe Government praising a baby killer."

Everyone? Is that anything like the "whole world" and "international community" concepts that leave out China, India, Latin America and Africa that the western media constantly feed us?

I'm pretty sure the Latin American community, the Indians and the Chinese all would be against a leader beating and murdering his own people dont you think? And besides, China is only after your minerals.

Lunatic PREM:you need to become an Author on Russia,Georgia, German,and Isreal.I am half African and half Jewish and I will never forget that number 6,000,000. Lunatic,just leave leave Zim.,to Mugabe,Tsv, and Mbeki.Trust us we can handle it.After we get controll of our resources,lands,and languages,we will show you.Lunatic Prem,here in America we don't spell have like you do (ahve).Deal Sealed! God Bless America/Africa. Oweij Liebo Tarboro, North Carolina U.S.A.

Levi baboone, saying leave Zimbabweans to Mugabe is like saying leave the Jewish people to Hitler. As partly Jewish yourself, by supporting a human killing machine such as Mugabe, are you then forgetting and denouncing the suffering of the Jewish people? It does not matter how many people these murderers kill. Hitler also started with one and then thousands like Mugabe. By the end of the Second World War over 6 million Jewish people, Catholics, Gypsies deformed and mentally challenged people had been sadistically, brutally raped, maimed, starved gassed and murdered. If Mugabe is not stopped, how many more Zimbabweans will lose their lives at his hands. You murderous Mugabe supporters, just like the German people at that time, live with your heads in the sand. Just like the German people at that time, knew very well what was going on and Hitler was, like Mugabe, allowed to do as he pleased to defenseless people. Thank goodness the Jewish people kicked ass. To the best of their ability, and with great courage, they rounded up each and every one of Hitler's SS murderers and let the law deal with them. To this day they continue seeking justice. I applaud them. If the Zimbabwean people in Zimbabwe do not have the means to go after Mugabe then those who are fortunately outside the country will get him through the ICC. Perhaps through this ICC, many future leaders will know that you cannot go around killing an maiming people without consequences. As for Prem, kudos. keep up the great posts.

About the ICC, which is not recognised by Russia, China, India and America, amongst others. It is time to start asking why after receiving over 1700 complaints about over 139 countries, the "International" (sic) Criminal Court" has only ever proceeded with cases against Africans.

The ICC should go hang. It has no legitimacy in global areanas.

http://www.icc-cpi.int/cases.html

Selector, no matter what you wish of the ICC, it is here to stay. Most of the African countries including Zimbabwe and South Africa joined. The reason the United States of America has not signed is that before signing , it has to be certain that the ICC laws do not conflict with any of its laws in the country's constitution. No matter which way you look at it , with the provisions of the ICC, Mugabe is dead meat. As it is, at the time MDC offices in Harare were raided and MDC officers brutally beaten including Mr Tsvangirai who was so beaten that he required treatment in South Africa, Mr Tsvangirai presented a 'Torture Docket' to the South African National Prosecuting Authority implicating Mugabe and 18 of his senior Zanu-pf thugs. If the NPA does nothing as Mugabe and Mbeki are friends, then a push will be made to the ICC. Ya, it sucks when you lavished fat slobs now realize that with Mugabe in the frying pan, you will have to work hard in an honest job like the rest of the Zimbabweans. The party will be over and no more dancing on grave yards as now they will be 'off limit' once more with nowhere to obtain free clothing from the dead. All your lucrative human butcheries will be no more with no more body parts to peddle for those new business ventures. Disgusting and barbaric. With the likes of Mr Tsvangirai on the helm, if nothing else, the people will eat again and the msasa tree will breathe a sigh of relief as the people will now be able to afford proper vegetables. Even though scarred through Mugabe, the women will yululate with song and dance, with their little babies' heads bobbing up and down on their backs, and happy to alive. What a wonderful sight that will be!

kjrs, it is irrelevant if the ICC is here for ever, it is not a legitamate global organisation. It is ignored by the the three remaining super-powers, Russia, China and the US and the fastest emerging power, India. It's a partial court and it persecutes Africans specifically, making it quite literally, a racist court.

As for the reason the US has now signed up, its Commander in Chief, George W Bush along with his administration are guilty of crimes against humanity for the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent people, including women and children in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Selector, it does really matter about India and other countries, but the ICC matters to Zimbabwe and Mugabe. Whether you like it or not Mugabe is done for, and your trying to discredit it, won't help you. TOO late. Mugabe should have thought twice before committing atrocities on innocent Zimbabweans. If other leaders of the world have done it, then it will teach him a lesson for being a copy cat. If you think the ICC is a racist court then perhaps it will be best suited for Mugabe to have a taste of his own medicine.

Author: kjrs120 "Whether you like it or not Mugabe is done for, and your trying to discredit it, won't help you."

In your dreams kjrs120, in your dreams!!!

Djoser, remember dreams DO come true for many. Just you wait and see.

Djoser and you too dream on because Mugabe knows full well that every bolus of sadza that he rolls and puts into his toothless mouth may be his last.

"Djoser and you too dream on because Mugabe knows full well that every bolus of sadza that he rolls and puts into his toothless mouth may be his last"

I believe Mr. Mugabe said that this was all in God's hands and who are we to question this great warrior?

dLoser, we are all to question those that beat and murder and torture... Mugabe isnt above us. He's human, just like the rest of us, except that his standards for human rights somewhat differ from the rest of us...

Djoser, yes, Mugabe was right. Everything is indeed in God's hands. God is also just and if Mugabe goes round screwing people up and killing them, then God will see that Mugabe gets his justice.

Author: selector "kjrs, it is irrelevant if the ICC is here for ever, it is not a legitamate global organisation. It is ignored by the the three remaining super-powers, Russia, China and the US and the fastest emerging power, India. It's a partial court and it persecutes Africans specifically, making it quite literally, a racist court.

As for the reason the US has now signed up, its Commander in Chief, George W Bush along with his administration are guilty of crimes against humanity for the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent people, including women and children in Afghanistan and Iraq."

Selector, After the whole world watched the official death of the myth of white supremacy on 08/08/08, you'd think that they would realize that fewer and fewer people are kowtowing to their racist demands. They set up these "courts of justice" yet they are very selective about what constitutes crimes against humanity. Certainly if the situation in Iraq and Afghanistan don't qualify then nothing that Robert Mugabe has done in the last 28 years qualifies to be brought before the ICC. Still, the dreamers on these boards are hopeful that Mr. Mugabe will be frightened enough by this threat of facing this European court that he'll turn power over to someone who is likely to give the land back to the settlers. They know him not, I'd say.

Djoser, it is even better if Mugabe does not turn power to someone else and especially if he remains in Zimbabwe. And as African countries including South Africa, are members, Mugabe just needs to land at anyone of the member airports and any aggrieved individual will have him nabbed. Those very white Zimbabwean farmers that you took advantage of because they were a minority and you beat and kicked around because they were helpless whilst in Zimbabwe - now watch out! There is a saying that "those who laugh last, laugh best".

"Author: kjrs120 Djoser, it is even better if Mugabe does not turn power to someone else and especially if he remains in Zimbabwe. And as African countries including South Africa, are members, Mugabe just needs to land at anyone of the member airports and any aggrieved individual will have him nabbed. Those very white Zimbabwean farmers that you took advantage of because they were a minority and you beat and kicked around because they were helpless whilst in Zimbabwe - now watch out! There is a saying that "those who laugh last, laugh best"."

Yes, and Mr. Mugabe has shown that he's really worried about some aggrieved individual nabbing him. His fear was shown in the great speech that he gave at the UN last year and will probably be evident again this year. And speaking of aggrieved, just think how aggrieved the African people of Zimbabwe (the majority) must be having had their land taken and treated as near-slaves on it for over 100 years! And to add insult to injury (i.e., causing additional suffering), by having sanctions put on them by the same country (and her friends) that stole the land in the first place.

Djoser, Yes Zimbabweans ARE aggrieved. First of all the most hurtful and unforgettable grievance they will NEVER forget is the deaths of their loved ones, killed not by an outsider or enemy, but by their own son or brother, Robert Gabriel Mugabe. All those thousands he has killed and continues to do so, are they foreign invading soldiers? NO. Are they armed? NO. What are they? Defenseless civilian Zimbabwean citizens. So where can they run to when their homeland is against them? What can they eat when there is no food or money in their homeland? Where can they work when there are no jobs in their homeland? Where can they live when they are being beaten, tortured, burned alive in their homes and murdered by Mugabe with their children in their homeland? To whom can they cry for help when they are once again silenced by Mugabe's guns, knives tearing into their flesh, whips lashing into them and sticks beating the soles of their feet and breaking their bones in their homeland? They were indeed near slaves 100 years ago but what are they to-day? WORSE. They have no freedom of anything except to flee by the millions to neighboring African countries as all rights of a decent standard of human existence is denied them. Those suffering from illnesses go to the hospitals to die as there are no medicines. The land that they fought and died for is denied them and instead given to Zanu-pf killing bastards. Who stole the land? You the undeserving zanu-pf fat slobs. That is the reason you support the butcher of your country Mugabe and are afraid that if Mr Tsvangirai gains power, you will all lose those stolen farms as he will redistribute the land fairly to the people of Zimbabwe. Yes Zimbabwans are aggrieved and justice will be served.