Mugabe is a genuine monster in the form of a human devil!

Tsvangirai is right to point out he was impressed with Mugabe. Monsters have the ability to effectively hide their real bestial feelings and show compassion when that suits them.

I have also had a personal experience in the company of Emperor Bokassa of Central African Repiblic. I spent a whole day with hiw compared to only 90 minutes of Tsvangirai. Bokassa was very fatherly and paid much attention to the welfare of his guests during a trip on his personal boat along the Congo river.

But he was the very monster who did not tolerate any opposition to his rule. He ordered the assassination of his own son in law. He ordered the killings of innocent students who happened to oppose changes to the school system which he had introduced.

He was also in complete denial of any violence and he was able to show great generosity. Addressing some twenty of from from French-speaking Africa on visit to his country, he praised us, extended facilities that we had not asked and considered us as ambassadors of Africa!

Yet, after his downfall, his close collaborators accused him of cannibalism. He was eating the inner parts of some of his opponents that he was ordering to kill!

I can therefore understand Tsvangirai saying that he found Mugabe very normal and not betraying his ignorance of violence around him. And causing surprise some days afterwards when his monstrous feelings gets the upper hand over him, when he declared he has had recourse to violence to protect his achievements! It's the typical behaviour of a human turned monster!

Bokassa was another one just like Mobutu, Charles Taylor, Idriss Déby. A few more are still around besides Mugabe.

Mugabe has indeed cause to worry about his legacy! In this age of information technology, he cannot hide anything.

NOGs are compiling data on all his crimes and those he instigated.

The death sentence inflicted yesterday to two Argentinian generals for crimes they had committed against Pinochet's opponents before 1996 should give him restless nights!

His thugs and cronies also should know that data about crimes they have committed against the Zimbabweans are also saved in safe places and that they will be tabled at appropriate times. It may not be tomorrow, but it's a fact. NGOs will definitely drag them all to courts.

Calling you own brother a monster; what type of a human beign are you? Remember the proverb which says; Green is Green, but when it's added with another colour it changes. We "African" have to seriously and closely look into what changes Mogabe before we start calling him all type of outrageous name. First of all, he is a president of a sovereing country; one of the most respected ones in Africa. So, my dear African; please refrain of calling yourself an ignorant individual.

From Your Brother in the name of Christ and Allah

I think you'll find Mugabe WAS one of the most respected leaders in Africa, now he's a disgrace to Africa and also his own people who has happily raped and murdered to keep power. As for him being President of a sovereign country, why do you support condone such a man that has had to beat and murder your brothers and sisters to keep this position? Why do you allow such a precident to be set that shows other African leaders that its ok to beat and murder their own people to force people to vote for them if they are looking like losing an election? When will Africans learn that this isnt right?

My dumbass "brother" you're an idiot!

My dumbass "brother" you're an idiot!Have you attended school, 1000% inflation in Zimbabwe!!!!How do u expect people to live stupid and you're saying this in God's name....double stupid for u.

prem

I understand how and why you can see the splinter in Mr. Mugabe's toe but can't see the log in your own eye. Your apparent hatred for Mugabe stem from your desire and need to have some sort of control over darker skinned people. The orginal people of this country reffered to your kind as the enemy of the earth. Also you need to acknowledge when you use the word Human (hue + Man)in reference to the civility of a man that is a reference to people of color. Contrary to the cave men who are your ancestors that is where the beast in man kind comes originates. Monsters that have the ability to effectively hide their real bestial feelings and show compassion when that suits them are truely white people. If some of the traits of white people rubbed off on Mr.Mugabe the African people can live with it after all we have lived with the beast like behavior of your people every since you all came to africa. If you are suffering learn to live with it we have.

Dear foryohjonathan0000 and Adams,

While I understand your state of mind, I am unable to reconcile the fact that Mugabe terrorised millions of innocent citizens to seek reguge in neighbouring countries. For the very fact that he has not expressed regret and remorse for the widespread suffering of his subjects, yes! I can venture to say that he acts like a monster. He has never shown any pity. A monster shows no pity even in front of sufferings!

I can relate another eye-revealing incident in Benin, West Africa. President Kerekou had granted a sort of truth & reconciliation commission known as énational Convention" to work towards a return to democracy after the discomfiture of one-party rule. he himself came before the commission and asked for national excuse for all the misery his government had caused. He wept at thousands of his subjects who had to seek refuge elsewhere and asked why he did not realise earlier on that his people was running away from their motherland. He sent an appeal for all sons and daughters to return in confidence to build the nation.

He was relected President through democratic elections under a multi-party system.

As far as I know, Mugabe has never expressed any regret at the millions of his subjects who had to run away because of the terror of Mugabe's Army and police. And he got the guts to ride a Rolls Royce on the back of his people's sufferings! And furthermore, he pleaded ignorance with Tsvangirai concerning the widespread violence he encouraged.

Hundreds of MDC supporters were assassinated, maimed and raped.

YES, Mugabe acts in every way like a monster! His place is in jail! I am surprised that so far the public has not taken the law into its o

"Dear foryohjonathan0000 and Adams, While I understand your state of mind, I am unable to reconcile the fact that Mugabe terrorised millions of innocent citizens to seek reguge in neighbouring countries"

Prem, It's a bit amusing that poster #1 would conclude that you are an African. Perhaps the poster is new to the board and has not being reading your hysterical anti-Mugabe posts filled with all the name-calling, distortions and out-right lies that you have been making over the last several weeks. If you are an African you are about the most white-washed African that I've seen in a very long time. Your posts are so unAfrican, as poster #2 alluded to, that it is hard see how anyone could make such a mistake. My guess is that you are a very distraught ex-settler who had his/her land returned to its rightful owners by Mr. Mugabe and your name-calling, distorting, lying posts are a way of getting even, right? Your pathetic attempt to equate Mr. Mugabe with others deemed "bad guys" shows where you're coming from. What connection in your little mind puts Mugabe in a class with Bokassa, Mobutu, Pinochet, etc.? Mr. Mugabe is the elected head of an African state and is recognized as such by Sadc, the UN and almost all African leaders (Mbeki, Dos Santos, etc.) minus a few corrupted euro-toms. In fact Mr. Mugabe was a Western hero less than 10 years ago because it looked like he had forgotten what the liberation war in Zimbabwe was all about, i.e., the land. But once he decided that it was time to implement a plan to fulfill the dream for all those who died to regain the land he became this "monster", "devil", "murderer", etc., etc. How transparent is that? Is it necessary to remind you that Mr. Mugabe was voted the third most popular African of all times by Africans not too long ago. Which must indicate that Africans are too smart to buy into all the Western lies about him? Did you happen to see the ovation he received at last year's UN session? Your silly BS about "Mugabe terrorised millions of innocent citizens to seek refuge in neighbouring countries" is typical of your lying nonsense. Is this a case where you are hoping that most people on these boards are stupid enough to believe such rubbish? Anyone with even a little knowledge and honesty knows that the people who have fled Zimbabwe to neighboring countries are economic refugees caused by the Western sanctions put on the country in an effort to force Mr. Mugabe out of office in favor of a more compliant "leader". The fact is Prem, that the main reason that the 84 year old Mr. Mugabe is staying in power is to ensure that the reason that he and so many other fought and died for is not reversed, i.e., the land. If he was assured that the person who succeeded him was dedicated to this same cause I'm sure he would retire and enjoy the next six years and celebrate his 90th birthday the way Mr. Mandela did (but not in England, I suspect).

AMEN MUKURU mwanawewe!!! You are on the right track.

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dLoser has surely lost his mind a long long time ago.

"Mr. Mugabe is the elected head of an African state"

Does it not matter that he beat, murdered and tortured his own people to keep his position? And given that his election is recognised by the SADC and AU as being neither free nor fair, what credibility does this give to his election win? A big fat none I think you will find.

And you really must be a fool to believe that Mugabe will still be rated third most popular African now, given what he has done to the opposition supporters recently. You really are living in the past here.

I think you'll also find that a high proportion of the millions of innocent Zimbabweans that seek refuge in neighbouing countries are sick of the intimidation and bullying and murder and rape and maiming and torture that the Mugabe government hands out to its own people. The governement is a disgrace.

dLoser is also extremely naive to think that Tsvangarai wants to reverse the land reform program. This is just a bs excuse that dumb arses like dLoser believe. The true is that Mugabe creates these lies to make an enemy of Tsvangarai to the Zimbabwean people, which is simply not the case. The west has accepted the land reform program and moved on. No one wants to reverse it. Save giving land to Zimbabweans that can actually farm, not ministers that dont know squat who's lack of production has helped lead to the economic crisis we are in today.

The sooner that Mugabe is gone, the better for the people of Zimbabwe.

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Dear djoser35, I wish you were right! Unfortunately, I am just echoing the sentiment of the majority of Zimbabweans! You must be part of the minority with privileges to defend what is not defendable!

I have not killed, nor maimed nor raped! Neither have I instigated my fellow citizens to kill, maim nor rape.

But Mugabe's hands are full of blood! What is the reason for his causing the deaths of over hundreds of MDC supporters? Land? Ask those widows and orphans whether it was worth to kill their husbands/parents just to prevent the illusion of land being returned to the whites?

I am as much African as yourself, except that I do not condone killings, maiming and rape. I do not condone confiscation of power by illegitimate means.

In the name of "African", People like you have put Africa backwards in every sense. What crimes dictators have not committed by defaming "Africa"? Under the one-party rule of the 60s to 80s, dictators have used every ruse to con their citizens into submission and intellectual slavery. I am a living witness!

I have served my Africa during 32 years actively fighting against dictators and for genuine freedom and democracy.

Being "African" requires of us to vigorously fight to restore freedom across the continent, to denounce even our kith and kins if ever they want to take back Africa to a state of mental slavery!

I also considered Mugabe a hero amongst heroes along the thousands who also fought for the liberation of Zimbabwe. He was not the only one hero!! Unfortunately, he has lost the adjective of hero since some years already. A past hero cannot be excused for his today's crimes!! Sorry djoser35 !

Yes, I maintain that a majority of Zimbabweans consider that Mugabe is acting like a monster! Join us to put an end to the sufferings of Zimbabweans by having Mugabe transfer executive power. Nothing less will do!

As for the land issue, Tsvangirai has never said that he would reverse the land policy. In order to comply with international standards, a new democratic government must enter into dialogue with all parties concerned to formulate a fair compensation scheme, which can take a multifarious form.

Just turn your attention to the land issue in SA. Why Mbeki has not acted like lunatic Mugabe? Why the land issue there is still an ongoing issue? If you know by knocking your head against a concrete wall you will do yourself a lot of harm, why do you have to act like the bull?

The collective sufferings of the Zimbabweans do not warrant the reckless rule of Mugabe, a hero turned lunatic! Yes, he is acting like a monster. 20,OOO assassinated in Matabeleland? Over hundreds of deaths during the elections? Hyper-inflation - a world record? Giving 4-wheel vehicles to judges to help them visit their farms?

Come on Mugabe fans! Ditch him and see how Zimbabwe will get back its smile! and tackle all his thugs and cronies!

It’s sad that one can easily identify the color of skin of some discussants. Surely this can only be prompted by the arrogant racial hate scripts. Some are easily identified as Africans in denial of themselves who keep on glorifying a race that does not recognize them as equal beings apart from semantics. Their deep hatred of some politicians who seem not to go by their school of thought, especially when it comes to elevating an African mindset with regard to the African freedom charter, total emancipation and reversing disparities caused by slavery and colonialism.

Given the true statistics of real killers of humanity, Europe is still #1 enemy to humanity more than the said aliens from space. Today more deaths are caused by Europeans directly or indirectly but our discussants here can not stomach the idea of Africans defending themselves from the very Europeans. Our liberation struggles and our violent polarization caused by the same Europe’s divide and rule is attributed to us, we become savages, terrorists and tyrants. The Zimbabwe liberation struggle for independence was a fight of brother against brother with some paying allegiance to Britain while others saving African ideals of liberation.

No sir, our land is not to be negotiated by any one. Period!!!How can you discuss with thievies? Remember the 700 years of war by the Irish over their land. The has always been ours.

No sir, our land is not to be negotiated by any one. Period!!!How can you discuss with thievies? Remember the 700 years of war by the Irish over their land. The has always been ours.

What is the matter with the African peoples ? The Europeans Killed you in the millions Robbed you of your lands. culture and languages turned you against each other carved up you continent to their choosing in order to physically control you. Now the Europeans are using psychological and economical controls USING ONE GROUP AGAINST THE OTHER to rape the African Continent, and most Africans cant figure it out.

Their may be something in what the Europeans have always said “Africans are not fully developed as a people they are like Children, and we should take care of them”. India figured it out and is on her way to economic independence so has Asia. The South Americans are now fighting for their economic freedom, they are aware The African Continent from Egypt in the north to South Africa in the south is control Economically by The European Powers and their Agents and that is only because Africans have given them that power over their own people. Few Africans if any see the long term danger they as a peoples of the continent of Africa are in I say again may be the Europeans are right by saying, Africans are not yet fully developed as a people to rule over themselves , they are like children” so we will have to do it for them Africa is truly the white man’s burden, and like every burden they will deal with the Continent and it’s peoples as they see befitting their best interest at the opportune time

Here is a simple yard stick to know if a leader is good for Africa Is he hated by Western European powers(Your Past physical colonial rulers) and the U S America, then he is great for Africa and its peoples. Why? Because he cannot be easily manipulated by them, and most often is refusing to sell off the countries assets, accepting their loans with the preditorial conditions attached to these loans and so called developement plans

Name one African country that has been supported out of poverty with trade, economic development loans and education by a European power after World war two

How many European countries have been supported with loans trade education out of poverty since the end of world war two? Africa must find a way to developed itself or the bell will toll for her by the end of this century

Mugabe is human but wants to act like he is a god. ZANU (PF) members have spoiled Mugabe by worshipping him. Has anyone realised that whatever Mugabe says now even when he is merely expressing a personal opinion now becomes ZANU (PF) and government policy? This tendency by ZANU (PF) members and some mebers of the public of taking Mugabe's words as ZANU (PF) and government policy started in the 1990s and at one point Mugabe himself was not happy with the way his party and government had began to take his opinion. He didn't want to be their god but when they persisted with that kind of respect he fell for it. I remember in 1992, Mugabe expressed an opinion that Rhumba was a morally decadent type of music. Immediately after Mugabe's opinion was publicised, the music industry stopped playing Rhumba music and the police could almost arrest anyone they found playing rhumba music. It had to take Mugabe himself to publicly say Rhumba music was not illegal in Zimbabwe for the music industry to start playing rhumba again. But these days Mugabe has changed and when he expresses an opinion he no longer clarifies that it's just his personal view. ZANU (PF) zealiots take whatever Mugabe says as party and government policy and try to enforce that on the people. Mugabe in complicity, now keeps quite while the zealiots fight for him. To just give a recent example, when in January 2007, Mugabe said he will seek another term as president on behalf of ZANU (PF) in the 2008 election, he was like any other person trying to get the support of members of his party. The Chinotimbas and Jabulani Sibandas got this message upside down and they started a rampage to force every ZANU (PF) member to support Mugabe's intention. Mugabe knew that what Chinotimba and Sibanda were doing was wrong but he did not try to clarify himself to his party on the issue. Instead he seemed to encourage Chinotimba and Sibanda and to project a (wrong) view to ZANU (PF) members that whatever he says has become ZANU (PF) party policy. Mugabe as sharp and intelligent as he is clearly knows that what he is doing is wrong but he is now obsessed with his survival and self preservation. When Tsvangirai mentioned violence to Mugabe, I am 100% sure Mugabe in his heart acknowledged that his party is violent but because he now regards himself as superhuman he might as well think that those that oppose him deserve to be brutalised. I am sure as Tsvangirai talked to Mugabe about violence, Mugabe was even relishing the opportunity of bringing even more violence to the MDC supporters to force them into submission.

Mugabe with the manner of Jekyll and Hyde and the cunning of Sweeney Todd is one good reason to keep your back to the wall.Morgan,also I might suggest it advisable to bring your own cut lunch next time invited to dine with "Mugabe stien".

Now I do have a question for Heidi Holland, and please excuse my ignorance. What exactly does a father look like to you? I think you are using the words "father" and "son" so casually. Now I did have a father, though he passed away two weeks ago at 77 years of age. My father was not a so present father at our home. He worked hard and sometimes worked long hours of the night. We all complained about his absense. But irrespective of his not-so-present personality, he still cared about us, prayed for us, and wished us the best. But just how close does Mugabe come to being related to Tsvangirai as father and son? Let us not use such sacred words casually.

Well, I can say that I am no fan of Mugabe. Be sure about that! However what we see on television, and read on the pages of western newspapers are totally false. Mugabe is no monster otherwise why is it that african leaders support him? Why is it that his people still want him to be their leader? It is sad to note that its only the west that call him names because the can't stand him. What is Mugabe's crime, one may ask? I believe that everyone knows that his crime against the international community is that he returned african land to its original owners. Can africans usurp land in europe and USA? We know how the white settlers got the land. They forcefully removed our people and occupied our land. Is that fair? Yes, to the west and their propaganda machine there is nothing wrong with that so long africans suffer. Mugabe's monster status is a white propaganda. I know some regimes in africa that are not half as good as that in zimbabwe, yet no-one says anything about them becuase the white man gains by their existence. I wonder what media like the CNN gain by portraying Zimbabwe the way they do. CNN in its dishonesty has beeen showing the same film clip of an empty and deserted store for more than 3years. Why that kind of journalism? Journalists are supposed to be objective. But that I have not seen yet. In all I should say that Mugabe isn't the monster they after all say he is. It is western propaganda against the man that ended white minority rule in Rhodesia.

Good morning Africa! Good morning Mugabe fans!

What I do not understand with you is why you cannot look straight into your face in the mirror?

One person killed is too much! trumped up charges against MDC MPs are pursued vigorously. Killings, maiming and rape by Mugabe thugs and cronies go unpunished! Is that acting as "African" and hence one should not criticize one's leader?

Let me say I am not white! Let me say I am black! Let me also say the colour of one's skin has nothing to do with being or not being African! Look at your neighbours in SA! A rainbow nation! Would you disqualify all those there who are not black from being African?

Come on! Today, it's not land that generates wealth. It's intelligence!! Consider Singapore, Hong Kong and not far from you - Mauritius. They have no land in plenty, but they are a thousand times better off than Zimbabweans. Brainpower? When would you understand that?

We want an Africa where leaders do not kill, maim and rape their political opponents. If you support such leaders, you should seek psychiatric treatment as soon as possible. Otherwise, you may soon start killing your own kith and kins.

I am reflecting the views of the majority of Zimbabweans. I have close Zimbabwe friends. They are bleeding due to their political inclination. They describe Mugabe as a two-head monster!! One head directs terror and install fear in his opponents; the other head ignores the first one and try to behave as normally as possible.

I am just amplifying what my Zimbabwean friends think of Mugabe. Yes, they say he is a monster, worse a double-headed monster!!

You like it or not, lunatic Mugabe will face a criminal court in due course. It's not Tsangirai who will drag him there. It's the millions of Zimbabweans in exile who will exercise their right to seek redress from the wrongs the monster has committed against them.

There is no country currently in Africa who is willing to provide refuge to lunatic Mugabe. Not even South Africa where Mandela saod Mugabe was a disgrace to Africa!

He should better start learning chinese. There is a chance China may offer him diplomatic protection! But lunatic Mugabe loves things from the West (amongst others, Rolls Royce limousine) and China may not be his preference!

Mugabe fans, you like it or not, Mugabe is not above any laws at the international level. He will pay for all the blood of innocents he caused to shed.

Prem, why is it important for you to tell us that you are not white? If your race is unimportant you do not have to tell us your race.

The truth of the matter race does matter. Just watch the white Americans struggle with Obama, whose grandparents and mother are as anglo white as surely as the sun falls from the sky!If Obama who is biracial has problems, then you know race matters.Ya..Ya..Ya you will hear from whites the color blind thing...I warn my students to be skeptical of such people.

And the usual pretense that First world citizens are complicated voters, when in fact they just vote their own prejudices. I went to school in the USA and I have never in my life seen such dumb, idiot voters like Americans (but especially white Americans). George Bush says it all, how dumb and idiotic first world people can be. They are just luck with government and they have been at it for a long time. Africa also should just keep at it and they will get it right! Believe me, these people are no "brainy" than the average Zimbabwean.

I said I was not white because Mugabe fans condemned my ideas solely on the belief I was a white writing on Zimbabwe. My point is that the worthiness of ideas should not be judged on the basis of the colour of skin! Just like the performance of your athlete at the olympics won praise, good ideas as well should be recognized, the holders of such ideas should not be assassinated just because a lunatic monster would like to cling to power!

You Phiri, a teacher? What a crime are you committing in planting hate in the minds of your students?

We need to re-engineer your mind in order that you will just teach your students to look for facts by themselves and draw their own conclusions! Teachers today do not spoonfeed students! You badly need to go back to school!

HEY prem aka1 is a teacher also ...

Everyone who has had a one to one meeting with Mugabe has come out impressed.He has the ability to wrap people round his little finger,like all two faced people. He will say what you want to hear not what you should hear, hence all the wrong policies which he agrees to just to please those around him. Seperate him from his politiburo long enough and you will see a very different man. Study Cecil J Rhodes and you will see how Mugabe and him are no different

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Krsj120, I assume you also know that USA elections were settled by a very partisan judicial system. I assume you also know that most votes in the USA are selectedly chosen in order for the republicans to win elections.

I also assume you know that majority rule does not exists in the USA, and that a formula (electro votes) decides the presidency. What kind of democracy is that?

Ya..ya...I know it is a first world country...I went to university there.....Boy, did I see an ignorant electorate!

Phiri, give it up. You are writing crap and you know bugger all about the USA. America does not have archaic mickey mouse voting system where people are bullied intimidated and beaten before they are told where to put their thumb prints. The electronic voting system provides the highest level possible of security in terms of voters' privacy, ballot box integrity and voter-verifiability. Like any machinery, glitches happen but resolved democratically without people having the crap beaten out of them as occurs in your country. You state that "votes in the USA are selectedly chosen in order for the republicans to win elections". What rubbish. America is not governed by you zanu-pf morons. The people vote for whom ever they wish. Was John F Kennedy or Bill Clinton republican? You are ignorant and S.T.U.P.I.D.

"Phiri, give it up. You are writing crap and you know bugger all about the USA. America does not have archaic mickey mouse voting system where people are bullied intimidated and beaten before they are told where to put their thumb prints. The electronic voting system provides the highest level possible of security in terms of voters' privacy, ballot box integrity and voter-verifiability. Like any ..."

Actually Kr, Phiri seems to have a far better understanding of the reality of the American electoral system than you do. First of all, the electronic voting system that you speak of is just being introduced to most of the country and it is being debated widely as to how prone it is to fraud. Secondly, during both the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections there were many incidents of police intimidation, lost ballots, Democratic voter registration shredding, illegal purging of Democratic voters from the rolls of eligible voters, impossibly high and low reported voter turn-out in "majority" and "minority" areas and all kinds of voter results that contradicted the exit polls taken especially in some key states. If this kind of thing goes on in a 200+ year old "democracy" doesn't it seem reasonable that things would not be perfect in a 20+ year old "democracy" like Zimbabwe. Since America is still trying to get it right, doesn't it make sense that Zimbabwe might need more time? Come to think of it, since this concept is having so many problems working in such long-promoting advocates of it as America, maybe the Africa countries might want to come up with better concept that they won't have to work over 200 years to get right. Do you not agree?

How many more people must die in Zimbabwe before "Zimbabwe gets it right"?

I dont see people getting murdered in the US, with a population of some 300 Million, because they decide to pick the wrong box.

Why is Zimbabwe so different?

"How many more people must die in Zimbabwe before "Zimbabwe gets it right"? I dont see people getting murdered in the US, with a population of some 300 Million, because they decide to pick the wrong box. Why is Zimbabwe so different?"

Actually far more people are murdered in the US for far lesser reasons than political differences and at a higher percentage than in Zimbabwe. Besides, how do you determine that someone in Zimbabwe is murdered because they picked the wrong box as opposed to some other reason? Is it because of an overriding zeal to link Mugabe (Africa's reigning bad guy) to everything bad that happens in the country? Here's a question for you, how many people must die around the world before Western countries get it right?

dLoser, why do you continue to make up lies with no evidence to support your claims.

You say "Actually far more people are murdered in the US ... and at a higher percentage than in Zimbabwe" Where is your proof? Why do you lie?

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

Clearly shows that Zimbabwe's murder rate is nearly double that of the US. And consider people in the US, as you say, get murdered for alot less, as you say, makes you wonder what the hell is going on in Mugabe controlled Zimbabwe.

Why do you bother writing on here? With such obvious lies you have absolutely zero credibility.

"Author: awt_independent dLoser, why do you continue to make up lies with no evidence to support your claims."

aWorthless, Actually I didn't lie. I was looking at pre-sanctions stats. The increased murder rate in Zimbabwe can be traced to the deteriorating economy which can be directly attributed to the Western imposed sanctions that were imposed because Mr. Mugabe decided to do something in the interest of the indigenous Africans of which he is one of. In other words, the problems that Zimbabwe now faces are the direct results of a bullying, lying racist empire who seeks to control the actions of any small nations without the arms or friends to defend themselves. But the funny thing is, this powerful empire is starting to see some Cosmic blowback in the form of economic problems of their own.

dLoser, you really are just digging yourself futher into your little whole arent you. You clearly said, and I quote

"Actually far more people are murdered in the US ... at a higher percentage than in Zimbabwe"

But now you say this was true 20 years ago. And clearly admit that this is not true now. That pretty much fits the definition of a lie to me.

I very much doubt you have any facts to back yourself up, even looking at stats 20 years ago. So I'm picking this is a lie too. You have no credibility you see. You lie once, get caught for it by smart people like me, and then everything you say from then onwards needs to be questioned. Thats what credibility is all about, and thats why you have none.

So please tell me how the sanctions on travel and arms can lead to the downfall of the Zim economy at the staggering rate we have seen. Remember, if you are talking about organisations refusing to lend money to Zim, these are not sanctions, but you would have to include China and South Africa in your list as these countries have also refused to lend money to Zim. And any rational person would happily back up these countries refusing to lend money to Zim, purely because no one wants to give money to a country thats full of the curruption we see in Zimbabwe. Its only going to go straight into the back pocket of your ministers.

So I await for your response. Remember, no lies. I'm way smarter than you.

"dLoser, you really are just digging yourself futher into your little whole arent you. You clearly said, and I quote "Actually far more people are murdered in the US.."

aWorthless, You're the one who is digging yourself into an ever deeper hole. The fact is that there are many more people murdered in the matured "democracy" USA than there are in Zimbabwe. What part of this fact don't you understand? Not only can't you accept truth, you apparently are not good at math either. For example, since the official start of sanctions against Zimbabwe were started with the US imposed Zimbabwe Democracy and Economic Recovery Act of 2001 I can hardly see where you conclude that I'm going back 20 years to compare murders between the US and Zimbabwe. My math says that 2001 - 2008 is about 7 years, not 20. As for my credibility I'll stack mine up against your 24/7/365 and even allow you points for honest mistakes and still beat you by a few kilometers. As for me getting caught by "smart people" like you, I'll accept this as the joke that you intended. At least you have a sense of humor. About South Africa and China lending Zimbabwe money what evidence do you have that they are not? Besides that, it is a well-known fact that the Chinese are investing heavily in Zimbabwe, much to the disapproval of the West. In fact, it will probably be China's support of Zimbabwe that will be the most important in countering Western sanctions over the next months and years. As for you being "way smarter than (me)"? Yeah right, it's like the claim that Iraq had WMDs, this too turns out to be just another false claim which is just another self-serving lie that further erodes any credibility that you even pretended to have had. In fact, one would probably have to square your IQ in order to approach mine.

Geez, do I really have to spell this out for you? Are you that dumb!?

Now, you said and I quote once again

"Actually far more people are murdered in the US ... at a higher percentage than in Zimbabwe"

Lets look at some statistics. Murder rates from http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

Zimbabwe: 0.0749938 per 1,000 people United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people

They're even per-capita to make it easy for you. Clearly there are more people murdered in the US, but this is purely due to the fact they have 300 million people. You said clearly that more people were murdered in the US, at a "higher percentage than in Zimbabwe"

Now tell me, is Zimbabwes 0.007% less than or greater than the United States 0.004%? This really isnt difficult. The answer, incase you hadnt figured it out, is that Zimbabwe is higher, yet you clearly lie and say its the other way around.

Not only can't you accept truth, you apparently are not good at math either.

First you come with some bollocks about this being true pre 1980, (which you cant provide evidence for), even though you say more people "are" murdered, not "were" murdered. Do you know the difference between "are" and "were"?

And now you so conveniently forget that you said at a higher percentage. Its written for all to see that you have so clearly lied here. Just admit it! You told a big pork pie! Which means everything else you say is questionable!

As for you "I was looking at pre-sanctions stats" Where are these? Can I see them? Now tell me, was 20 years ago pre-sanctions or was it not? Do I need to draw you a venn diagram? Seeing you said you were looking at pre-sanctions time, this could be anywere prior to 2001.

So I really see no need to enter this competition of smartness any further. Its quite clear from above.

Djoser, it is a great pity that you cannot apply your sense of discrimination between right and wrong in YOUR own country. You cannot base the success of a presidential candidate by exit polls. These are just opinion polls on unofficial counts. The media always wants to publicize results as soon as possible omitting the fact that some constituents vote early such as the elderly and stay-home mothers, whilst others vote late. Therefore because the late hour voters are often under sampled, the exit polls are often erroneous and that is what accounted for 2004 presidential election indicating a Kerry victory. How many people did you hear were murdered during and post election? How many were pushed around and told for whom to vote? People have rights and they exercise them. Sad to say YOU have none. It is corruption from your president Mugabe to your bribed judges. Yes it is taking over 200 years for the American people to get their voting mechanism right. That is progress - always striving to improve the system by engaging in what ever new technology there is for the people. If it does not work today, Americans will see to it that somehow it works tomorrow. My suggestion to you Djoser as a voter, is get going with Zimbabwe and keep striving to give people freedom, make her what she used to be, proud, economically strong, vibrant and alive and take your minds off the next MDC victims that as Mugabe's zanu-pf thugs, you are targeting to murder. How many more people must lose their lives to satisfy your hunger you lot?

"So I really see no need to enter this competition of smartness any further. Its quite clear from above."

I totally agree!

Good stuff. You've finally realised you're a dumbass.