Whatever the compromise concerning pardon to the highly placed Mugabe thugs, civil society groups have complete data compiled against each of them for crimes against humanity. The successor of Tsvangirai, be it after five years, will be under intense pressure to reopen the criminals' files in view of prosecuting the thugs.

Tsvangirai signed under duress while his successor will have a free hand.

Time flies, and patience we all have!!

They better resign now!

Prem, I thought you would be out of this website by now...on to Swaziland! What happened?

Prem, you give civil society and NGO's a bad name by your "Gestapo" attitude to "Law and Order"

Phiri, it is not "Gestapo attitude to law and order". It is accountability which you and all your Mugabe thugs do not aspire to. As men all you lot should have fastened your belts tighter each day to allow your women and children to eat but instead you greedy Mugabe fat slobs have loosened your belts many notches and belched for having gorged yourselves whilst the children and the elderly starved. On top of that you hail Mugabe when he stops foreign aid forcing villagers to sustain themselves on wild fruits like animals. It is all just cruel shameful and unforgivable. What is the difference between the gestapo and you Mugabe lunatics? Nothing. Just heartless creeps not fit to be called Africans.

Well said brother. you see some of us are less human or can I say inhuman. We have no shame at all. Hey I think we ahave no capacity to think of the suffering of our own people. We need to be emotional about what we are doing to those who look upon us to deliver a better well being for them. We shall all die and Almighty GOD will bring to book and on that day we will pay our dues (HELLFIRE WILL BE ABODE FOR ALL THOSE WHO DO WRONG A FINAL RESTING PLACE)

My dear Phiri, I am planning to come to Harare soon to lend support on a voluntary basis to the activists of the Zimbabwe Exile Forum (ZEF)to build a monument in front of the Parliament to honour Mugabe's thousands of victims, that is, those killed, maimed, raped, terrorised to exile themselves. In other words, the monument will also serve to SHAME those people who have praised Mugabe for having killed less people than did the colonialists!!. The monument will furthermore serve to remind our kids that they should never shy away from denouncing dictators killing innocent people for their opinion, otherwise they would contribute towards the return of bloodsuckers into power!

We will also together lay down strategies to multiply ZEF type of NGOs for Swazis hiding in neighbouring countries bent on turning Swaziland into a democratic republic should dictator Mswati refuses to give way to the establishment of a democratically elected parliament with full-fledged sovereign legislative powers.

Don't worry, dear Phiri. COSATU will give the necessary impetus and the next SA President Zuma will facilitate the transformation. ZCTU will also lend support with backing from Tsvangirai who knows very well that extending democracy to Swaziland will also discourage a return to dictatorship.

You see dear Phiri, pushing for democracy in Swaziland as much as in Zimbabwe is a matter for people of the sub-region acting in solidarity.

You seem to be selfish since you will be happy with a democratic Zimbabwe while leaving Swazis to rot under dictator Mswati.

We, activists struggling for the advance of democratic causes, did not stop after the end of the apartheid regime in SA. We continued our struggle. We will continue. Be sure. In swaziland as much as in other countries of the region that may fail to bring smiles back onto the terrorised faces of their citizens.

You care to join us. We welcome more activists in our midst. But you must first undergo a thorough cleansing of your conscience for not having denounced Mugabe earlier on.

Prem and your cronies, why cant you just be happy that some sort of solution has been reached? You are still in your child -like state, GROW UP!

Hi kubatana6 ! Where were you when Mugabe was terrorising innocents? Hey, Praising him?? Just like trying to tackle me when you ought to concentrate on ensuring Tsvangirai gets all the support from the public to counter Mugabe thugs who are trying to derail the agreement!! They are already talking of "embedded enemy" referring to MDC-T. Why do you continue to act like the coward ? Is it for the sake of some crumbs falling over from Mugabe's table?

the problem in zimbabwe and other ex colonial countries seems to be that the ones ushered in after liberation do not want to relinquish their power.

i call them those old fuddy-duddies who should be put out to pasture. let younger ones be elected. and of course, greed and corruption. there are many of them in this world, still hanging on till they croak.

Dont forget first things first, rhodie Prem and your friends, do put up a monument to those you rhodies slaughted in ZlPRA camps in ZAMBIA, Botswana and ANGOLA as well as ZANLA camps in Chimoyo, Nyadzonya and elsewhere throughout Gt Zimbabwe. Or are you disappointed that Zimbabweans have found peace instead of war, thus putting you out of business and making you irrelevant. You are still trying to pour Petrol onto your dying fire. SHAME on you. I would like to meet you in person in Harare so that we can compare notes now and then. When members of the so called Zimbabwe Exile Forun return to Zimbabwe, they would be back home and no longer in exile. Why should you continue to fund them ... what is be your goal and hidden agenda. Tinyarewo Baasi!!! Even staunch MDC supporters can see your evil machinations.

Dear Aka47! You are living in the past; I am living to better life for the future.

SHAME on you who disregard the sacrifice that Mugabe's victims have endured for you today to expect the fruits of a possible peace. You are very selfish indeed!

I am African, born in motherland Africa and who was able years ago to tear down my shacles of semi-slavery through hard work and education.

Me going to swaziland? Why not? SADC has a policy of free movement of its inhabitants! You are selfish! As a Zimbabwean perhaps rediscovering the fruits of freedom soon thanks to Tsvangirai, you ought to extend help to Swazis who also aspires to get a democratically elected parliament!

Why do you think Swazis are inferior people who should suffer under a feodal Mswati?

It will be a good fight! You better join us so that your kids tomorrow could speak about a valiant AK47 having contributed to the spreading of freedom and democracy across the SADC sub-region! We should, however, help you cleanse your perception of things. We would help you distinguish between a bad selfish action and a good action in the national interest!

Grow up on this!

10yo African rights court yet to hear a case.

The African Court on Human and People's Rights which was set up 10 years ago, has yet to hear a single case.

The report by the Minority Rights Group says this is despite human rights crises including Darfur, the Democratic Republic of Congo and Zimbabwe.

It blames a lack of political will on the continent.

The group says an effective pan-African court is crucial because minorities and indigenous peoples often fail to receive justice from national legal systems.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/25/2373961.htm?section=justin

Go away!!! Go to Swaziland.

@ Prem. akapfundi etc.

I find this thread depressing.

The people of Zim wanted change. Akapfundi doesn't. Prem does. It's a done deal.. accept it. Big changes are about to happen and those who hark to past conflicts or disagreements are just denying the inevitable. Zimbabwe will never be the same again after Monday.

Gono will go on Thursday and I expect Chihuri to go soon after. Other ZPF Ministers and senior officials will be sacked or sidelined. This is DEMOCRACY. Next time there is an election in ZIM, people may choose another leader or path. BUT IT'S THEIR CHOICE. Don't belittle the suffering so may people have endured.

A better future is threatened by those who continue to hold on to the past,often selectively.Those who continue to cry about the terrible Gukurahundi massacres forget to explain why Ndebele girls are so beautiful.Remember the best of the Shona girls being shipped ko Bulawayo?Revenge begets revenge which begets new revenge.Lets leave retribution to God and hope never to repeat mistakes.Give the future a chance!!!!!

"Gukurahundi", always was and always will be an act of murder synonymous with savage Mugabe. Try and defend it all you may, but there are those still alive whose loved ones were murdered, and human nature being what it is, those people will never forget and Mugabe will go down as the Hitler of Zimbabwe, hated, spat upon, despised and cursed. He may be clinging to Mr Tsvangirai's coat tails for now, but the day will come when all bereaved and aggrieved Zimbabweans will get their justice and boy will it be sweet. Mugabe and all those who partied with him, beating, maiming, raping, burning,severing limbs and ripping human beings apart and finally taking their last breaths, MUST answer to an earthly court of law before finally facing God.

Prem, I have no problem with somebody spreading democracy. A democratic SADC and entire Africa is good for business and a key to eliminating poverty - That I agree with you in pursuing democracy, even in Zimbabwe where a lot remains to be done.

However, your "Gestapo" position on "law and Order" tends to be a hinderance to democracy that you claim to uphold. You know very well that Mugabe was not going to give power, therefore the best solution for now is a GNU. Your Gestapo position is that Mugabe should be sent to the Hague, killed, thrown in jail etc.

Even Goerge Bush, who has been involved in murdering thousands of Iraqis has not even been charged for a Phoney, created war to claim oil fields in Iraq. You are under the illusion that western worlds are just..and righteous..You forget the torture of minority citizens in those countries. Including where you live in the UK!

Dear Phiri, we do not agree on one point and it's a fundamental one!

Should my President or PM be at the root of just one assassination of one of his innocent nationals, that leader should be answerable for this crime. And citizens must be free to denounce such a criminal act without fearing reprisal.

A majority of observers are upset at the idea that a minority group of Zimbabweans continue to praise murderer Mugabe in spite of all the facts in public domain. The land issue cannot be an excuse for a President to encourage killings of his innocent nationals.

We cannot allow this. Soon other dictators around would feel encouraged to imitate lunatic dictators. That is why we strongly feel we should also now extend our tentacles to encompass Swaziland as well. Zimbabweans do not deserve freedom and justice more than the swazis. We all equally deserve to enjoy the fruits of freedom and justice.

You have come a long way to express support for extending democracy everywhere in the SADC sub-region. That's good and encouraging to us. Let's also join efforts to rid our sub-region of all lunatic and murderous leaders.

Let's get inspired from the Mbeki scandal unfolding in SA concerning his alleged interference in the Zuma judicial matter. It's a lesser crime than committing an assassination, yet you mark it Phiri, Mbeki will have to resign in the national interest. Otherwise, a sitting President can do everything bad to prevent the truth from emerging into the public domain. And such a process can lead to the disastrous economic meltdown Zimbabwe is going through.

The only difference is that the SA public has a higher political awareness. The various competing interest groups will ensure a democratic resolution of the matter in the public interest whereas Mugabe has confounded for too long interests that were personal, public and national. He used his thugs in the Army and Police to try to silence everybody who dared challenged "his" ineterest.

Let's work hand in hand to give back to people in the sub-region the smile they deserve through our committed support to good governance.

Never give the devil a ride...he will always want to drive - let's just all hope for the best man! it is indeed a way done deal by now.

Prem, while disagreeing, at least we do share some values. Prem, do you real believe Mbeki was involved with Zuma's case! Or are people (especially white judges)just afraid to upset a powerful black man like Jacob Zuma? I do not have an answer, but I have mixed feeling about this!

One hopes that the judges are impartial in South Africa. Your comment on whether the judge is white or black is irrelevant and frankly racist in its implications. One wonders what the Government would do if the ANC youth league continued with their threats and invaded the court threatening to kill the judge. Seems you have no confidence in African judiciary. Could this stem from your faith in the "independent" juduciary in Zimbabwe.

Jrrs, I'm not as naive as you about race. It has been an issue in Zimbabwe, South Africa, Northern Rhodesia, Kenya, USA, UK, Germany, Namibia...You can pretend all you want

Unfortunately it seems that you are preoccupied with race. After 30 years the white families in Zimbabwe accepted majority rule, obeyed the law, paid taxes, etc. You want them now to take the blame for Mugabe collapsing the economy of the country? I can never understand you attitude, what do you realy want? Snide remarks that the Judge (being white) must have been afraid of Zuma because of his colour is childish, irresponsible and biggoted.

Jrr, you are only telling half the story, aint you? Typical of people who deny racial issues. Why would a white Judge in SA prevent the future President of SA! He wisely knows the outcome if he had not acquitted him.

I still fail to see why you are preoccupied if the judge was white. Any judge (black or white) could have come up with the same ruling, are you trying to say if he was black the judgement would have been different? Do you not have any faith in African judciary? Anyway it seems that with his ruling on Zuma he also ruled that Mbeki was complicit in abuse of power causing the ANC to dump him.

Jrr, a comment about a white judge is not preoccupation on his race, but a fact of his race.....Is it relevant to the subjuct? I think so...You do not have to agree with me and I'm also not abligated to answer your questions...GET IT NOW!

Oops touched a sore spot have we. In todays all inclusive world there is very little space for biggots and racists so you comment is totaly out of order. DO YOU GET IT NOW!! Oh and it seems that the judges ruling was the correct one as shown by Mbeki's demise. This has nothing to do with his colour rather his ruling as a judge, impartial and free. Something Zimbabwe has not seen for a long time.

Might i point out this African Court run by Africans themselves, it is one of the dumbest and disgusting things i have ever seen.It shows the true problems in Africa and why Africa really needs the worlds help till it learns how to do things properly for itself.

The African Court on Human and People's Rights which was set up 10 years ago, has yet to hear a single case.

The report by the Minority Rights Group says this is despite human rights crises including Darfur, the Democratic Republic of Congo and Zimbabwe.

It blames a lack of political will on the continent.

The group says an effective pan-African court is crucial because minorities and indigenous peoples often fail to receive justice from national legal systems.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/25/2373961.htm?section=justin