No surprise that Robert Mugabe still refuses to acknowledge that he is not the "boss" of the government of National Unity. Worse off, he is still in denial that Zimbabweans no longer support him and that in any free and fair elections he would loose!

This was expected, but not to the extent that we are now seeing. Mugabe refuses to see the changes that are occuring throughout Southern Africa. He is the only one still holding on to power and he is a classic dictator! He refuses to acknowledege the bad economy affecting ordinary people. This is the great tragedy of Zimbabwe!

Mugabe is setting himself up for a blood bath...or eventual criminal trial at what he is putting the country thru. Zimbabweans wished that Mugabe would move forward with National gov't in good faith, but clearly we are openly seeing something else.

Well taken, Phiri. We did not preach in the desert! What you need to do now is pluck some more courage and bring into your fold people like AK..47 and ensure that people in Southern Africa line up behind a real movement for genuine change in the rotten political order in this banana republic.

Zimbabweans alone will not succeed. What they need is support from the region, moral and otherwise. Mugabe kept many of them under terror for too long. Dehumanised, terrorised and hungry are what the murderer likes to inflict on his citizens. Phiri joins us in warning that unless people's misery is stopped, Mugabe will be chased out of power violently. Like Bokassa, Mobutu, Idriss Déby, Charles taylor and cohorts.

People in another country, particularly West Africa, would have taught Mugabe the lesson of his life. He would never have been allowed in the streets and even the military and police, in large numbers, would have rallied behind the people's cry for his skin!

It's true Zimbos are less brazen thna our West African folks. But for how long? When one has nothing to lose and he is dieing of hunger, one will just give one's life to live under a better sky. Zimbos are no different!

Bad luck for the murderer whose days are counted!

That is wishful thinking Prem, you are a fool of the last degree if u think people are not revolting against the Govt of Zimbabwe because they are not braven. The people of Zimbabwe are clearly aware of who has caused all the misery they are going thru. They know that Mugabe is the most democratic person in Southern Africa, no wonder why he has tolerated sellout Tsvangirai (Mr Boycott) until this time. Zimbabweans were born out of the struggle for self determination and so they know what they want - empowerment and total independence. They may be suffering under McGee's sanctions but we are going to bequeath to our children an independent country unlike other African countries which depend on Western aid to run their country - imagine 60% budget support. West Africans who have killed and ousted great leaders like Nkuruma have not developed an inch they are still where they have been for the past 50 years. After only 28 years minus first 10 years, Zimbabwe has the empowered its people and has best educated people in the world.

"They know that Mugabe is the most democratic person in Southern Africa" What an absolute joke! I havent heard anything so funny in such a long time! How dare you say that a man whe beats, rapes, murders and tortures his own people to keep his greedy corrupt hand on power is the most democratic person in Southern Africa. Democracy includes the freedom of expression, but yet how many newspapers are banned in Zimbabwe, it also means freedom for polictical parties to meet and campaign during an election, which we did not see. It also means the the military arent told who they are supposed to vote for. Hell, even Mugabe said that the bullet is mightier than the pen.

And Zimbabwe has had empowerment and total independence now for nearly 30 years, and you can see what Mugabe has done with that power. The country is f*cked! Its the 14th most corrupt country in the world. You cant blame that on anyone but Mugabe. The productivity of the farms has been destroyed with farms being given to ministers instead of capable farmers, and the economic policy has been left seriously wanting. You cant go blaming sanctions either, South Africa was under alot heavier sanctions for alot longer and still remained a stable economy. A question for you, how much money does Mugabe has wholed up in foreign accounts while the rest of his country suffers? As for McGee's sanctions, I suggest you actually have a read of the Zimbabwe Democracy and Economic Recovery Act of 2001 before you start complaining about it.

As for the best educated people in the world, well, thats just a joke. You schools arent even opening at the moment.

Geez there are some dumb people in this world. I think you should back to your village... its missing its idiot.

Hie Awt_Independent

I will repeat myself for your bet understanding. Mugabe is the most democratic leader in the whole of Africa - this is a fact. For your own information Magabe has not done a single thing of what you accuse him of committing. Mugabe has been consistent in every respect. He has given people education, health care, infrastructure, education, and lately land. If you close me in a cage and do not allow me to go out and hunt for my children, are you not imposing sanctions on me? If you go to my neighbours and turn them against me, are you not imposing sanctions on me? If you wont allow me to borrow money from my friends and relatives, are those not sanctions? If you wont allow me to sell my products to the highest bidder are you not imposing sanctions on me? These my friends Awt_Independent, Prem and all like minded, are what has brought Zimbabwe to where it is today - schools cannot open, hospitals are closing down, roads are potholed, people cannot even get salt of all things. We are on the verge of starvation because of McGee and Tony Blair and the whole western world.

South Africa was not under sanctions during aparthied, neither was Rhodesia - America traded with them claiming that sanctions will hurt the black people. The only sanctions in SA during aparthied were sports sanctions and you can not honestly call that economic. But in Zimbabwe all companies that are not British or American owned are under sanctions. How do you expect the country to move forward in that situation. I think you are craze if u think Zimbabwe can perform miracles when it is under the jaws of murderers like US and UK - just look at Iraq and Afghanstan. As for democracy, well, Zimbabwe has space for every one to freely do what they want but within the law. If you do not follow the rule of law obviously you cannot operate in Zimbabwe. The Daily News for example refused to register as per the law and I am sure you did not expect the government to just let it operate simple because it is an opposition paper, NO! Everybody has to abide by the law of the land until that law is changed or repealed. Even in your America, which you like so much, you cannot operate without registering with the authorities otherwise you will be called a terrorist and sent to Guantanamo without trial. You said Zimbabwe is the 14th most corrupt country, who said that? Obviously it is your west who are saying that. Who is more corrupt one who brings down an economy as big as the American one and Mugabe whose Zimbabwe has survived strangulation for close to 10 years. Get off it my man!

Tankuya, Robert Mugabe has reached a very dangerous tipping point. Mugabe is no democrate and the fact is clear...He is a dictator of the first degree! There should be no illusion now by people like you and others.

Tankuya, my parents were part of the liberation movement and gave a whole lot to it...But I know they would not support such evil and selfish behaviour from Robert Mugabe.

Yes, I too have supported the soverignity of Zimbabwe, land distribution etc...but not this rubbish from President Mugabe and his cronies! The most important thing is that Mugabe is ruling the country without consent from the majority of Zimbabweans. Mugabe is raping our nation and the sooner he goes the better.

I couldnt agree more.

Phiri, Your definition of dictator is so flawed I need not respond to that. You talk of your parents participating in the liberation struggle. Yes that was good but what about you? What role are you going to play in the continuing struggle for total liberation and total empowerment.

Already you have shown me that you are now going against what your parents fought for. They fought primarily for land and anything else was peripheral. I am sure you are not trying to tell me that Welshman Ncube, Gasela, Biti, Tsvangirai himself who have applied to be considered for land allocation are Mugabe cronies? If they are then Mugabe is a darling of the whole of Zimbabwe.

"the continuing struggle for total liberation and total empowerment" - What a load of nonsense! There is total liberation and total empowerment in Zimbabwe... has been for nearly 30 years, and look what you have done with the place. Looks great! Keep up the good work!

"Mugabe is the most democratic leader in the whole of Africa - this is a fact." HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA! Thats so funny! I think I have a tear in my eye.

The only thing Mugabe has been consistent at is beating, raping and murdering his own people to keep his greedy corrupt hands on power.

Would you buy food of your neighbour if you knew he was beating and raping his wife and murdering his children?

Your country is not on the verge of starvation, people ARE starving. You are so detached from reality its rediculous. All because you have a dictator that doesnt care for his people. If Zimbabwe had a true democracy, then no body would have any reason to put any kind of sanctions on the government of Zimbabwe. But what is happening in Zimbabwe is far from a democracy. People are murdered for thier choice of polictical candidate. For the box they tick. Zimbabwe is a disgrace.

How do you support and condone a man who has so clearly beaten, raped and tortured his own people to keep power?

The current sanctions on Zimbabwe relate to 4 companies that financially support Mugabe and on individuals in the goverment. How can these affect the entire country?

You really are pathetic you konw. You say that if dont register a paper, you will be sent to guantanamo bay as a terrorist. I'll let other people decide what an idiot this comment makes you.

PS Europe has sanctions against 172 people and 4 companies in Zimababwe that support Mugabe. How can this possibly bring down a country! Mugabe is completely responsible for the miserable state of Zimbabwe.

Be real, my baasi, or are you just trying to annoy the thinking ones??? Are you sure the upper cast are affected by the so called targeted sanctions? lf the "sanctions" are directed at the chefs, how come the common man is suffering? In any case, why impose sanctions on Zimbabwe? The white men wont win. The people will remember!!! White people wont let go of Africa because the wealthy of western Europe is enmeshed to Afrika. You are just bullies. To hell with you. Why is ZANU wasting time talking to tools of Angloworld.com? Get the lot and hang them for high treason!!!!

The common man is suffering because of the mismanagement of the Zimbabwean government. Giving productive farms to ministers that cant farm etc.

And you are so hypercritical. Why do you say you want the west to leave Zimbabwe alone? Are you asking for the west to put 100% sanctions on Zim? No food aid, no trade, no investment? Imagine what that would do to Zim! More and more people would starve than are currently. Face it, Zimbabwe needs the west more than the west needs Zimbabwe. But that help doesnt come free. It comes at a price. And that price is that you need to allow your people to vote freely and fairly, and that the will of the people should be allowed to be heard.

Now is that such a high price to pay?

Be real, my baasi, or are you just trying to annoy the thinking ones??? Are you sure the upper cast are affected by the so called targeted sanctions? lf the "sanctions" are directed at the chefs, how come the common man is suffering? In any case, why impose sanctions on Zimbabwe? The white men wont win. The people will remember!!! White people wont let go of Africa because the wealthy of western Europe is enmeshed to Afrika. You are just bullies. To hell with you. Why is ZANU wasting time talking to tools of Angloworld.com? Get the lot and hang them forhigh treason!!!!

Hey takunya_ndebvu !

Are you just landing from the moon or have you been just released from a psychiatric institution because of your hopeless conditions?

No doubt, with rotten people like you, Zimbabwe has no other way than go down the drain! Thanks, 6 millions have already left and several thousands are leaving everyday heading towards SA. Soon you will have all the land you want, but you will continue to tbe buried underneath 8 feet

Leckless talk should be wipped off your face, Achimwene!!! You talk of war as though death is a play thing. What bloodbath, bambo Phiri? You wish death among the people just because you Nyasas wont be affected at all. No sir, even my inlaws, who are Phiri from Lilongwe, disagree with you. We want our peace at all costs. We are almost near the land of milk and honey. Time is 0300am ... if not 0400am ...kwaedza mwanawewe!!!! Nobody can stop the arrival of the solution. War NO! Peace YES!

Murderer Mugabe did not wish death only to his people; hr actually carried out or ordered to be carried out large scale asassination, maiming and rape. Aren"t you ashamed that the murderer is illegitimately sticking to power when Mbeki resigned just on allegations he interfered with the course of justice?

Would AK47 consider Zimbos 3rd class citizens who have to put up to the rotten actions of a murderer while S. Africans politically mature for ditching Mbeki?

Come on AK47! You are as rotten as the murderer when you talk peace. Peace under capitulation will further dehumanize the MDC supporters, who are the majority in Zim. Like it or not, the majority will soon go for Mugabe's skin!

My friend, l am sure you will never be near the war that you wish started by other people in Gt Zimbabwe. Its all theory to you. You want war??!?? People like you have always kept out of fights but love to see a fight. Spectators! Cowards!!! So much water has gone under the bridge. We are almost there. Solution is around the corner and you want what you ahve always wanted to see in Gt Zimbabwe, a War! The SHONA have a saying: "Kana ka ngoma kakude kutsemuka kano RIRISA". Our trouble is the MDC is not keeping up to the game. They should work out why their opponents are managing to retain the ball ... its tsoro, prime minister Tsvangi. KURAMWA KUNO BETSEREIKO? Go on and play to win through serious planning. Remember!!! 'When the battling RAM goes backward, it is NOT running away. It is only collecting momentum'. Think and Apply mukoma woye. Tatambura mu Zimbabwe weduwee.

My friend, l am sure you will never be near the war that you wish started by other people in Gt Zimbabwe. Its all theory to you. You want war??!?? People like you have always kept out of fights but love to see a fight. Spectators! Cowards!!! So much water has gone under the bridge. We are almost there. Solution is around the corner and you want what you ahve always wanted to see in Gt Zimbabwe, a War! The SHONA have a saying: "Kana ka ngoma kakude kutsemuka kano RIRISA". Our trouble is the MDC is not keeping up to the game. They should work out why their opponents are managing to retain the ball ... its tsoro, prime minister Tsvangi. KURAMWA KUNO BETSEREIKO? Go on and play to win through serious planning. Remember!!! 'When the battling RAM goes backward, it is NOT running away. It is only collecting momentum'. Think and Apply mukoma woye. Tatambura mu Zimbabwe weduwee.

The snail pace taken by politicians to implement what they agreed for themselves is not only pathetic but also an affront to law abiding patriotic citizens. It is politics which invited untold economic melt down, it is politics that caused loss of life through violence, and it is politics that can not deliver a responsible executive cabinet for more than six months. Negotiations, negotiations, what horrendous negotiations? Zimbabweans need food on the table and a running industry. The politics of the day is therefore not effective for it is failing to deliver. MoU agreement was never genuine from both parties, they are only jostling for institutional power before the next elections and nothing is being served for the people.

US ambassador to Zim, McGee, finnally admited on oct 3 that Zimbabwe is under international financial sanctions.Tsvangirai admitted a few days ago that economic sanctions he called for are hurting all zimbabweans.As we sift through the rubble ,The Western sponsored proxy(MDC-T) and its clueless leader were used for a decade by the US and EU to work against the interests of their own relatives in zimbabwe..tsvangirai and his cohorts called for illegal economic sanctions against their own supporters..MDC-T supporters have to do some soulsearching now..their party was used by outsiders& lied to its fans with sickening regularity and they bought it..A prosperous Zim is the last thing the MDC wanted to see, as it would have rendered this Western sponsored outfit irrelevant in our political landscape,thus it had to work with outsiders to bludgeon its own kith and kin ..So masupporters vemdc musatombochema zvenyu, this is exactly what u wished for muchishandiswa nevekunze.

Focus on the issue at hand.Do not try to sidetrack the Zimbabwean people by vomiting badly orcherstrated propaganda.Zimbabwean people are not blinkered like those horses that you see at the horse tracks.You can fool people sometimes but not all the time.

mabhiza, you sound like an absolute wanker when you keep saying 'kith and kin'. Just so you know.

Mabhiza, why do you talk such nonsence. "A prosperous Zim is the last thing the MDC want to see". By believing that you are most certainly a deluded fool. And Tsvangarai has never called for "illegal economic sanctions against his own people". What a load of crap. Why do you make this stuff up? The thing that you dont realise is that the rest of the world actually wants to see the people of Zimbabwe do well. But the government of Mugabe is corrupt. 14th most corrupt government in the world. Thats nothing you can blame on anyone outside of the country but Mugabe. If Tsvangarai is as bad as you say, why has Mugabe is all is wisdom gone and given him and his party nearly half of the seats in power? If Tsvangarai as you say is just an emply vessel and mouthpiece for the west, then why has Mugabe done this? You really have been brainwashed and must realise that 99.9% of the rest of the world think differently to you. Now is 99.9% of the world wrong or are you just an idiot. Its pretty obvious really.

US ambassador to Zim, McGee, finnally admited on oct 3 that Zimbabwe is under international financial sanctions.Tsvangirai admitted a few days ago that economic sanctions he called for are hurting all zimbabweans.As we sift through the rubble ,The Western sponsored proxy(MDC-T) and its clueless leader were used for a decade by the US and EU to work against the interests of their own relatives in zimbabwe..tsvangirai and his cohorts called for illegal economic sanctions against their own supporters..MDC-T supporters have to do some soulsearching now..their party was used by outsiders& lied to its fans with sickening regularity and they bought it..A prosperous Zim is the last thing the MDC wanted to see, as it would have rendered this Western sponsored outfit irrelevant in our political landscape,thus it had to work with outsiders to bludgeon its own kith and kin ..So masupporters vemdc musatombochema zvenyu, this is exactly what u wished for muchishandiswa nevekunze.

l was a member of SABA, (Southern Africa Business Association in London, UK) and l attended a lot of meetings addressed by Tsvangi et al and l can can confirm that indeed the MDC did accept the imposition of sanctions and the destruction of Zimbabwe's industry and commerce in order to bring hunger and desitution into Zimbabwe with the one plan, namely to prise off power from ZANU. Mr Prem !! you dont know what you are talking about. You are merely politicking. Tsvangi was used.

Don't forget Tsvangirai has a long record of fighting for the improvement of working conditions through the ZCTU and his reasonable approach allowed industry also to flourish.

It's reckless Mugabe who has brought economic chaos. He enslaved minds of millions of his citizens by denying them the basic right to hold and express their own opinion.

I have known and rubbed shoulders for over 18 years with Tsvangirai via his trade union activities. He is servile to nobody. He genuinely wants to help Zimbabwe earn a decent place in the league of civilised nations.

Power corrupts. Too long in power brings the devil out of our leaders. Undevided power for too long rears the monster in our leaders. Mugabe is one unfortunately.

Ndicho chokwadi!!! Takange tiripowo pa ma meetings acho mu London.

apologies about the cut and paste part of my post from Mabhizas post. but if you want to waste your time reading such crap again, go ahead.

Me thinks Akapfunde is lying through his teeth about Mr Tsvangirai.

wouldnt be the first time

Seems he has an active imagination about his exploits in life. Gone from bank manager to Freedom fighter in both parties to cabs manager and sanctions buster. Maybe there is more than one personality contributing in his space.

Hey Prem et amici!!! l have had a very active life and a very lucky and blessed life. l just happen to be at the right place at the right time. I never planned it or made any special effort. One thing for sure is that l was clever in school work ... being always among the best in all my class, perhaps not always the smartest. I was lucky to be around around during the Central African Federation when major construction projects like the building of Mpilo and Harare hospitals and the moving of the airport from behind the Kopje to where it is now etc etc. Yea, I worked at CAPS and many other places before l moved to the UK. I won a Fulbright scholarship to study at the top university: University of Michigan. I have lived in several countries except RSA

Akapfunde wow, what an accomplished and versatile fellow you are! One thing you forgot to tell us is the time when you were the president of Russia, of Great Britain and of course of the united states of America. It's a great pity you did not inaugurate Mr Mandela, but knowing you , you I am sure you were one of the dignitaries at Mbeki's. Oh yes what about the time you walked on the moon. The world was thrilled to see you wave and take that leap for mankind. Keep up the good work and well done!

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Please AllAfrica.com The Herald is not a Zanu PF newspaper but a daily that is very independent of the said political party. If you did not know Zanu PF owned newspaper is called The People"s Voice. You should not be party to the MDC propaganda if you want your newspaper to command the requisite respect as a neutral paper. Please do not unilaterally mislead people like that or if you do not have the facts please ask for them

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It has since been revealed that the list of ministries was put up by George Charamba (a.k.a Nathaniel Manheru)of ZANU (PF). The list is not the agreed position but rather the ZANU (PF) negotiating position. Tsvangirai has also unequivocally stated that 'Home Affairs' belongs to MDC and that the deal can break on differences over the allocation of 'Home Affairs'. So if we accept that what was published in the Herald is the correct list we might as well have to accept that the deal is dead as the Herald list shows 'Home Affairs' with ZANU (PF). The MDC - T has also published its own distribution list which does not resemble the list published by ZANU (PF) in The Herald.

For your own information the Herald did not publish the list from nowhere, that list was gazetted by the Govt Gazett and so do not blame the Herald. The list in the Govt Gazett is final and that is lawful unless you want to be lawless. ZANU (PF)'s negotiating position is that it wanted al 31 ministries to itself. What this means is that it has compromised immensely to give sellout Tsvangirai 13 ministries. What Mr Boycott has stated is not fact and that is up to the President of the country to decide which ministry goes to which party. What President Mugabe has done is to tolerate nonsense coming from the MDC. Tsvangirai is only consulted and the final decision lies with the President whether we like it or not.

You'd think under a GNU that the 4 key ministeries would be shared 2-2. 4-0 is hardly a compromise.

Actually.. I see it is 6 of the key ministries are 6-0 to Mugabe. Hardly a compromise indeed.

icho! What have you been smoking to think that the Herald is independent and not pro ZANU PF? You really are a fool if you believe otherwise. There are so many stories that are published by a wide range of other news papers that critisize the ZANU PF that never make the Herald. Why is this? If the Herald was independent as you say, then this wouldnt be the case. You only need to read from a variety of sources to find this out. Its not hard. Maybe you should.

is this guy for real??????? i'm from mozambique but clearly know about this 'CRAP' Heral newspaper:D.. your dear Mugabe chud be in jail like any other criminal and that's it!!!!

Its says The Herald, Published by the Government of Zimbabwe!

Haha. You talk such nonsence!

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Oh!!!! COME ON iCHO be serious. The Herald is controlled by ZPF everyone with a bit of brains knows this. Thre is no need for you to do multiple posts.

Im born and bred in Zimbabwe The Herald was used as a mouth piece of Ian Douglas Smith and now it is a FOUR SQUARED ZANU PF mouth piece even my education starved child knows it very well. No progressive Zimbabwean reads the Herald even some ZANU supporters take it with a pinch of salt.

gt, you mention that there are no progresive zimbabwean that read the the zimbabwe herald. but i am sure that deos progressing zimbabwean you mention sit infront of there tv and computers lisening and ralying beind alien propoganda machine that serve no interest for african people.

People like you listen and read the herald, nice makarasika muchaparara makathemba Mugabe hapana chake. Ndisu varidzi veZim izvezvi. Ndini Chirimhazu.

Its pretty simple really. Are all the worlds newspapers telling lies and only the Herald telling the truth? OR is the whole worlds newspapers telling the truth and the Herald lies. The answer has to be the second. And only those that are brainwashed by the herald nonsense cant see it.

wishful thinking so he says,well let's wait and see.i know these people (politicians be it mdc or zanu pf)all thugs,power hungary.they're in agreement they just want to play with our minds . since they are waiting for mbeki to thank him for his part[role]they can't say nothing.

Its in his mad nature! He announced elections to preempt constitutional reforms, and lost; he forced a run-off, and competed against himself; He appointed governors despite talks in progress and an agreement barring him from so doing; Now he announces what many think is a wish-list to preempt negotiations. It's not a wish list unless he is stopped, this is the ultimate coup. MDC must refuse everything from governors to this announcement, even if it means they pull out ot this now illegitimate process completely, and NOW!

His back against the wall and members of his own party fighting to salvage whatever they can before the ship sinks,betrayal will reign supreme.This macho attidute will melt down as soon as his own boys do an ANC on him.PEOPLE NEED TO EAT.

thats very true.

mugabe CLAIMS ALL KEY MINISTRIES,if it's true then the UDI is not far from my mind.ian smith's glory was short-lived.History will repeat itself as the ZIMBAMWEAN PEOPLE march towards freedom and this time not from a colonial ruler but from a tyrant son of Africa.

You would think that if Mugabe was a true friend to Mbeki, he would comply fully with this unity government and see that his friend bows out gracefully having succeeded in bringing about a new and meaningful start to Zimbabwe. Clearly Mugabe has lost his marbles. Well, the mad rabid dog continues and obviously untreatable.