BuaNews (Tshwane)
13 October 2008
Former President Thabo Mbeki will travel to Zimbabwe on Monday to try to assist in a political deadlock over the agreed upon unity government in that country.
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mabhiza is an idiot. the eu and britain have no interest in running zimbabwe. there is nothing to run. they are interested in fixing the humanitarian crisis in that country, but this idiot probably doen't need any help because he is stealing from the impoverished. how can mugabe unilaterally allocate cabinet posts? but it probably suits the idiot.
Lexus u are the most idiotic person I have ever known. If by now u do not know that imperialists have interests not only in Zimbabwe but in the whole of the third world then it only goes to show how unintelligent u are. There is a lot to get in Zimbabwe. Lest u did not know, Zimbabwe has all the best minerals in the world. Zimbabwe has the best educated workforce in the world - no wonder why they are stealing our doctors, nurses and all the professionals u can think of. How do u say that they want to fix the humanitarian situation in the country when they are the ones who created it in the first place - they imposed sanctions on the country. Your MDC campaigned for the sanctions that are now hurting the innocent people. What are u going to do now that the American empire is crumblingin your face? President Mugabe is the legitimate Head of State and Government of Zimbabwe, hence he has the right to appoint cabinet. The agreement and the constitution says he does so in consultation with the Vice Presidents and the Prime Minster designate and his deputies. He did that for the past month and I think its high time we have a cabinet so that governament starts working to serve the people instead of waiting for the undecided MDC (who do not know whether to go along with the agreement or not) who are continuously changing the goal posts the imperial powers. What do we hope to achieve by waiting for Tsvangirai who does not have a mind of his own? The guy is just dumb - he does not think except regugitating what McGee tells his during their so-called swings. To hell with you and your Tsvangirai, if u want to withdraw from the deal plse do that with pleasure, life will continue after u are gone but remember that will be the end of u coz the people now can see u for what u are - puppets of the US and Britain.
Tanuya,and the other joker, you are definitely Zanu.90% of the Zimbos are fed up with you people and yet you rant on the net under the guise of colonialism.Growup and stop crying over the west.It is shameful to me as African to hear another African always blaming the whiteman for our problems as if we Blacks don't have brains to run our own affairs.But I can understand what you Zanus are up to, PASSING THE BUCK!!!!Shameless bunch of thieves and murderers.
No! You are wrong ss_conteh, I am Zanu 101%. I am not ashamed to say that because Zanu-pf is the party of the people, it is a revolutionary party, it is the party of the future. Just go back a bit to the 29 March 2008 elections and you will understand what I am talking about. With shelves empty, McGee bribing voters through ZESN and all the other NGOs Zanu-pf managed to score highly like that. Where a similar situation existed during election the ruling party could not secure a single seat. Had Zanu-pf not been infiltrated by McGee and his western friends it would have swept all the seats including in the urban areas - remember Makoni and Dabengwa's antics at the finishing line. Anyway that is now water under the bridge, what we need now is to work for Zimbabwe and its people. Its up to you and your MDC, in particular Tasvangirai, to stop selling the country to the Americans and the British so that we can do what we want as Zimbabweans without interference.
Ndizvozvo mwana veVU. You are on the right track! You make me proud!!!
"Zanu-pf is the party of the people, it is a revolutionary party, it is the party of the future. Just go back a bit to the 29 March 2008 elections and you will understand what I am talking about." Dont you mean a party that rapes, beats, murders and tortures its own people to get power? Dont you mean its the 14th most corrupt government in the world? Dont you mean that its one of the most undemocratic political parties that teaches its children that its better to beat up people than to win things fairly? And yes.. they also received only 43% of the vote. Thats a loss to me.
But you're wrong... its up to Mugabe now to concede that in a power sharing agreement, he cant have control of the 6 key ministries. Sharing means sharing. Pretty simple really.
"Zimbabwe has all the best minerals in the world." Geeez you really talk alot of shite.
"Zimbabwe has the best educated workforce in the world" what nonsense. your schools cant even open. And I can guarantee that any Zimbabwean educated doctor or nurse would have to retrain in any western country for them to be able to work.
So exactly what sanctions are you talking about? Are you talking about the travel restrictions of government ministers? How the hell did these affect the country! Why would another country want to lend money and support a country that is ranked the 14th most corrupt country in the world!
The MDC never campaigned for any sanctions that would lead to any harm to the people of Zimbabwe. If you say otherwise you are just peddling ZANU PF lies. I welcome any evidence to the contrary. But you dont have any do you.
President Mugabe beat, raped, murdered and tortured his own people to fraudulently take power off the man who had the will of the people behind him. Every knows that the run off election was neither free nor fair. And everyone knows that Tsvangarai got more votes than Mugabe in the only election deemed to be free and fair. Pretty simple really.
How can you expect a GNU to work when one side isnt being fair. How can Mugabe expect the MDC to accept 0 of the 4 key ministries as working together for the greater Zimbabwe.
Tsvangarai has his own brain. And you have no evidence that McGee is telling him what to say, so stop making up such lies. The west has never told Tsvangarai what to say, and I know this for a fact because if there was ever any evidence to the contrary, the Herald would be publishing it left right and centre. Only a poor deluded fool like yourself would believe that Tsvangarai is purely a puppet. And you forget that Tsvangarai has the majority of Zimbabaweans behind him.
PS how many farms did Mugabe give you?
Once again Awt_Independent you have shown the whole world that you are a fool and an idiot who does not listen especially when McGee, Jendai Frazer and all Americans and British are talking. McGee said it in plain language that the west has imposed sanctions on Zimbabwe but you still want to remain in denial. It is pretty simple really. If, because you are the Goliath of this world, you do not allow me to intract with people who want to trade with me, that is economic sanction? Does that not hurt Zimbabweans? It does because Zimbabweans look up to me for every thing. Britain and America have interfered with our friends who wanted to help us - Kuwait, Lybia, E Guinea you name them. The only countries that have refused to tow the line are Russia and China, but then we do not want to do business with these two only, we want business with the world.
For you own information we do not need donation from western countries. You can tell them to keep their filthy lucre - we do not need it. What we need is be left alone to choose who to be friends with. We want to be left alone to freely trade with whosoever we want. We have enough resources at our desposal to be able to satisfy all Zimbabweans without begging from imperialists.
Tsvangirai has no brain of his own and that you know very well. He is just being used like many other sellouts before him but when they dump him he will cry like a baby. Ndhakama is always crying about the west not supporting him because they are the ones who sustained his war against the people. The same shall happen to Tsvangirai. He campaigned for sanctions many times and at one time while in South Africa he called for the cutting of electricity, transport links, trade links and more. Is that not calling for sanctions?
MDC, in particular Biti and Ncube, were instrumental in the drafting of the American sanctions bill. MDC is the one which drew the list of all the people who are on the sanctions list. How can you put a person like Guy Georgious, Chiyangwa and other business people on sanctions list and claim that those are not economic sanctions on Zimbabwe? How can you put a company like ZISCO STEEL on that list and claim that there are only travel bans? How can you ban us from accessing balance-of-payment support and claim that those are only travel bans? How can you go to a country like Kuwait and offer it more money for oil destined for Zimbabwe and say that a few people are banned from travelliing? That is stupidity, that is bullshit, that is foolishness.
That is stupidity and foolishness of the highest order if you, Awt_Independent, think that we cannot see what you and your western sponsors are doing. When you open you dirty and smelling mouths we can hear what you say even if you say it behind closed doors. It is only you who is in denial, the Americans do not hide what they intent doing, as exemplified by McGee. If they are coming to bomb you they tell you point blank. Kissinger told Congress in plain language that America was going to make the Zimbabwean economy scream and warned Senators not to cry when this happens. This is why you have become a mouthpeace for them to always say that Mugabe has murdered, raped and done all sorts of things to his people. It is only meant to make sure that the American people's attention is diverted from the effects of the sanctions on the ordinary Zimbabwean people.
Blah blah blah blah you really enjoy talking rubbish dont you!
I welcome the whole world to read my logical, sensible utterances that push for human rights and the people of Zimbabwe to be heard, and to be able to choose their own destiny, and not have it chosen for them by a murderous dictator that is happy to beat, rape, murder and torture his own people to keep power.
The sanctions on Zimbabwe are on Government ministers and on 4 companies. There are no sanctions on the people of Zimbabwe. Only a fool would beleive otherwise. And you have no evidence that there is, so stop making up lies.
Countries in the world are allowed to trade with whoever they want. The US and Britain have no say on how these countries behave. Otherwise you are saying that every country in the world is simply a puppet of the US in Britain. What a load of nonsense!
And you are blind if you cant see that the only reason why Russia and China want to do business with you is to rape you of your minerals. But thats another story. No other country is being forced to stop trading with Zimbabwe. But I ask you for about the 100th time, would you deal with your neighbour if he rapes, beats, and tortures his wife while murdering his child? I doubt it.
Tsvangarai is very capable of leading Zimbabwe without any outside interference.
Why do you not stop to think why everyone is against Mugabe? Why do you support and condone a man that beats, rapes and murders his own people to keep power?
As for the "MDC, in particular Biti and Ncube, were instrumental in the drafting of the American sanctions bill."
What a load of nonsense. Where do you come up with this BS! The americans dont need Zimbabweans to realise what Mugabe is doing to his people.
Whats wrong with punishing people that support a genocidal dictator? Is a murderer supposed to be allowed to run free to murder again with no consequences?
"can you go to a country like Kuwait and offer it more money for oil destined for Zimbabwe" haha - its a free market! People will sell things to the highest bidder! ITs the way the world works!
And now I have a "western sponsor"? awesome.. when do I get paid? Who are these people sponsoring me? Do you think its not possible that someone with their own brains cant come to their own conclusions that the people of Zimbabwe deserve more than what the butcher of harare is giving them?
I'm glad to see that you dont deny that "Mugabe has murdered, raped and done all sorts of things to his people" because it happend and is happening. You really need to wake up and stop your delusion illogical rantings.
Mabhiza, you are a fool, the west is allowed to comment all they want on Zimbabwe. Thats what happens in a free and fair democracy. I guess you arent used to that in Zimbabwe. Why the hell should Tsvangarai sign a deal that gives the 4 key ministries to ZANU PF? Mugabe is clearly not playing ball and trying to work together with the oppostion. Its all pretty simple really. Dont try and pretend the west has any influence over Zimbabwean politics, they dont.
Mabhiza, the big rotten nut! He praises the rotten banana republic and the lunatic murderer at its head! What is there left to praise in leaders who have murdered, maimed and raped?
Is there anybody to suggest any psychiatric institution where Mabhiza could get urgent treatment?
This weekend the European Union will meet to discuss furtherin sanctions against Zimbabwe. This is why Tsvangirai has been performing for his handlers. They need an excuse to extend the sancitons. Sanctions will be renewed against Zimbabwe one way or the other.
Well mabhiza, even you won't be left standing if it was not for the EU and US interfering. You better hope Mugabe and Mbeki walk off into the AFRICAN SUNSET together. They're an EMBARRASSMENT to AFRICA, clowning around as if this is their playground.
Option 1: Mugabe and Tsvangirai exchange the lists of ministries i.e Tsvangirai gets Defence, Home Affairs, Finance, Foreign Affairs, Mining, Agriculture... Option 2: They share this in order, Defence to Mug, HA to Ts, Finance to Mug, F/A to TS, and so on. Or no deal. Let Mugabe form a 100% Zanu cabinet and move on with his 29-year-old madness. Already he is madly swearing in V/P's, just in case someone suggests they want VP post. Again, governors must be reversed or no deal. This is about salvaging the country and starting to rebuild, not about west that, liberation that and all the nonsense. Those who fought and understand the war know it was not about Mugabe or Zanu, but about the people - the same people we are now allowing to die like maggots out there ! And Mugabe uncaringly goes to UN for 10 days and was too busy to do anything about this last weekend. Busy doing what when his masters, the people, are dying. Or he thinks he is their master?
Power sharing is all about having equal powers, having equal partnership during the transition period. MDC should never allow mugabe to get more powers. After all MDC won resoundingly in March but as usual the results were 'doctored' by the zanupf thugs. They have been stealing elections since 2000. zanupf should be reminded that we are now living in a global democracy. they should work up from their colonial mentality. What legacy are we leaving for the next generation. Which African country has been colonised back since gaining independence???? zanupf should learn. In fact they know, its only the fear of prosecution that is making them cling to power. mugabe and company, wise shona words to you i.d.i.o.t.s 'mhosva hairovi'
Ana Mabhiza,how long shall you bury your head in the sand,,. How long shall you live in history, stuck there blaming everybody else for your problems. Everyone who does not support BOBO is a westen stooge. This time I doubt Mbeki is going to be on BOBO(jani)'s side, are you going to start calling him a stooge as well. Admit it Mabhiza, BOBO's supporters are in the minority and you have had to resort to violence to cling to power but the end is near. You can parrot BoBo as much as you can bur remember " You can fool some people sometime but not all the people all the time". We know your dont believe the shiite BoBo rant all the time but you are just ashamed to say " Guys you know what, I was wrong, lets do it your way" so you go on defending the undefensible.
Mabhiza is 101% right, anyone who calls for sanctions against the people is a stooge, anyone who changes positions after swinging with an American Ambassador is a stooge, Anyone who boycotts every major event after being advised by CIA and MI5 is a stooge, anyone who sellout to the imperialists and protect their interests against those of his supporters is a stooge. Tsvangirai is a living example of a stooge. He has nothing in his head. He is so retarded he can not think for himself.
If Zanu-pf supporters are in the minority, why is it getting 15 ministerial posts to MDC's 13 - it was because of popular support for the party. If Zanu pf has fewer supporters than the MDC why did Tsvangirai withdraw from the run-off? It was simple Zanu pf has more supporters. Do not tell me the nonsense about violence because in Iraq 20 000 people were killed before and during elections but still people went to vote.
After all Zanu pf supporters were killed during the campaigns by MDC's DRCs but they were not detered from voting. What was so special about MDC supporters. The answer can be found in the support that Zanu pf has. Even if we go to elections today, Zanu pf will win hands down.
Mpudzi ndebvhu, you are stubborn and stupid as a goat. Goats will gobble up anything fed them , rotten or not , so keep sucking up the mugabe muck, you will see , you will end up choking on it ! Mbilhazia has disease riddled brains like the illness he carries. Only a majoda headed person would write such rubbish. I know which one of you is Green Bomber writing under a new name because you fear the evil west won't buy your paprika , from the farm you stole because of your wild rantings. Aluuta Continua wa Ishe Komberra Afrika !
takunya_ndebvu and Mabhiza are 100 per cent wrong. They are growing senile; that's why they refer to 101 per cent just le Gono who introduced trillion Dollar notes just to discover afterwards that calculators were unable to handle these figures.
takunya_ndebvu and the likes are enemies of the people; how long will they dodge justice. Just wait for MDM to snatct the justice ministry when you will have to run for your skin. You have caused people to suffer so much that no punishment is great enough to inflict that much pain on you.
We will neutralise you for life! so that today's children will grow in a conducive environment so that they become builders of tomorrow; not destroyers like you pitiful rotten filthy pigs!
Prem, I am glad you say that you will neutralise me, although you do not say how. Let me tell you that, I personally neutralised Boers in Smith's Rhodesia with all the support they got from Aparthied SA, Britain, America, Israel and all those who supported the racist regime of Ian Smith. So you have it, you won't be the first one that I will neutralise, but of course you will be the first one after independence.
I can't wait for the day you are going to snatch the Justice ministry. Or is it a question of ignorance as to how govt functions that you think you can just go on a retributive mission the moment you assume an office. You totally forget that there are professionals who operate under a poitical appointee and one of their responsibility is to see to it that justice is done.
This is assuming that you mean the latter type of neutralisation but if you mean the former then the field is open and I have my swords ready. LETS SEE WHO COMES UP TOPS.
Takunya, Mr "Mugabe is the most democratic leader in Africa", speaks for itself doenst it. Cant believe you said that, AND believe it! Tsvangarai has never called for sanctions against the people of Zimbabwe. You make this up, have no evidence, and I shall continue to expose you as the lying fool that you are.
And if you believe that the CIA and MI5 advise Tsvanagarai, you are simply a fool.
Tsvangarai withdrew from the run off because he felt it wasnt fair to ask his people to vote if that vote could cost them their lives. Which was very real.
I have a question for you, If the ZANU PF had the majority of the support, why did they need to created a campaign of violence and intimidation? Why not have peaceful elections? Its because they knew that after the MDC had clearly shown they had more than 50% of the vote, it was there only choice. The ZANU PF never had more supporters. The only true reflection of support is from the only true and fair result which showed Tsvangarai had more support. Simple really.
And you are dreaming if you think that under a free and fair election that ZANU would win. You forget that people have very long memories, and the attrocities committed by the government against its own people will not be forgotten..
It is beyond comprehension why Mbeki still goes to Zimbabwe, given the many times he failed to produce positive results in the face of Mugabe unbending attitude and probable mental incapacity. If he had any pride left Mbeki should tell the AU to shove off and get someone else to try and do the the impossible. Mugabe will not give up any powers and he that is Mbeki should know it by now. Mbeki is just piling more shame on his own name, if such a thing is possible that is. Mugabe is beyond reason and Tsvangirai has not got what it takes either to deal with this lunatic. It sounds a horrible to say but maybe the only thing that will solve Zim's problems in the long run is a cleverly designed coupe. Because for how long must this farce still carry on?
Why all this furore over Tsvangorai, Mugabe, Mbeki, Minister, sanctions etc. Mugabe never had any intention of stepping down, sideways or up. It is now irrelevant, drop sanctions (real or imagined), the country is stuffed. Zanu has raped and pillaged and now there is nothing left. Better Mbeki flies up and makes Zimbabwe a province of SA. At least there will be a currency, food, water, etc.
Mugabe and his lot have had a chance, their ineptitude was classic, a real lesson in what not to do. History has been made - They will be a standing lesson for all economic studies. The tragedy is that in ten years time students will laugh at the cock-ups that teenagers would avoid, but in reality people starved and died because of them.
Get rid of the old dictator, become a province of SA. All the problems will be solved.
Many years ago I spent quiet some time in a country where everyone had enough to eat, where there was education for the kids, where there was a tradition of sharing, where I had my sadza nenyama together with my work mates at the office and where we listened and danced to the music of the Bhundu Boys, Thomas Mapfumo... This time is long gone, and it seems that even the country doesn't exist anymore. When I read the newspapers, watch TV, I just can't believe my eyes and ears. There is torture, political violence, murder, starvation. To those who say, the West wants to interfere in the interior affairs of Zimbabwe, let me tell you that our politicians don't even care, that our industry and businesses have not the slightest interest to invest in a country which inflation rates soars to a horrific 231 million percent. But let me also tell you, that the ordinary people do care, that we all have a responsibility (especially here in my country) to remove a man from power, who earned "degrees in violence" and who wants to be a "Hitler tenfold". The world is now a place too small to let such people get away with it. Ishe komborera Zimbabwe!
Ishe Komborera iwewe Roger Kambuzuma for wanting to remove the President by force. Tsvangirai tried it but failed. Not once but three times he did his "Final Push" but failed to push the Revolutionary and most democratic leader in Africa if not the world.
Today Boycott has hallucinations about going to State House but it won't happen. HOKO haibve nokuda kwako iwe. Mugabe can be likened to Moses - he was under sanctions, his people suffered from hunger and disease, the born-frees (Datan and Korah) rebelled against him, Pharaoh's army was always persuing him, he was facing all the troubles and challenges that this world can offer but he triumphed.
LONG LIVE MUGABE, THE PERSISTENT AND CONSISTENT REVOLUTIONARY. GOD IS ON YOUR SIDE YOUR EXCELLENCY, JUST REMAIN FOCUSED.
Takunya, Mr Mugabe is the most democratic leader in africa, again you talk lies. Tsvangirai has never tried to resort to violence to remove the Butcher of Harare. What a load of lies.
As for God, how can God be on the side of a man that has killed so many of his own people to keep power, and stolen and wasted so much of his own peoples money.
Theres only one place Mugabe is going, and its not cold.
Tsvangirai's Western sponsors have no shame at all, over the continued blatant interference in our domestic affairs..Even when all the 3 parties signed a broad based agreement that condemned all forms of external interference..The frenzy & hysteria in Europe after the allocation of cabinet posts on saturday clearly shows that Britain is behind tsvangirai's renewed stubbornness..Miliband's utterances, as if he's tsvangi's spokesman..EU, US, please BACK OFF!! from our zim affairs, even if you have a clueless stooge you handle..