Many analysts in Zim lament that the emergence of the Western sponsored MDC in 1999, marked the start of a decline in Zim political standards..That pothole faced tsvangirai and his cohorts came as Western sponsored proxies who trashed all cultural values Zimbabweans had cherished since independence, like the liberation struggle(1966-80) national events& ironically, even black empowerment programmes..MDC-T leaders even celebrated droughts that have plagued Zim for several years now..This western sponsored outfit instantly became an appendage of disgruntled white farmers, hardcore apatheid remnants, &hardline Rhodesians against the interests of its own kith and kin, The illegal economic sanctions& isolation Tsvangirai grovelled for led to the present tragic state of affairs..The stooge's Lack of concern for Zimbabweans reeling under MDC-T courted economic sanctions is astounding.,as he's now soulmates with McGee in playing nonsensical golf at this critical period..That clueless tsvangi is just an empty vessel with no mind of its own..Honestly , how can anyone be used by outsiders in championing foreign interests at the expense of your own blood relatives' interests.As far as we're concerned , the finance ministry is the only one still open for negotiation..The other key ministries were already allocated and thats final..The swearing in of 2vice presidents by President R.G.M is commendable & is a clearest sign that we remain resolute& resilient and we've stood the test of time..

Dear Mabhiza,

Please note that the MDC is a peoples party. Can the majotity of people in Zimbabwe who voted MDC despite threat of death, be as stupid as you think ?

Please do not use abusive terms of address towards Mr Tsvangirai, who is if you and your party is to be considered sincere, THE PRIME MINISTER ELECT OF THE REPUBLIC OF ZIMBABWE.

Sanctions as you say have caused the decline of the ZW economy. Why then did even more stringent sanctions against the white Rhodesian regime spur the same economy into self sufficiency and sustained development?

You, like the present leadership of our country believe that people are stupid and must do as they are told. You believe that this is the African Way. You hate the west but would gladly own the latest Mercedes and send ytour children to western schools.

You are an embarassment to the rest of us Africans who know that Zimbabwe will never be a colony again because we won the war and the world is a very differnt palce now than it was in the 19th century.

We want to meet the world on equal terms and if your people are too paraniod and suspicious to get us the best deal at every western negotiating table then please allow us to send someone else to look for busness and represent us on the international forum.

WE WANT TO BE COUNTED WITH ALL THE REST OF THE PEOPLE ON THE PLANET.

GIVE US A CHANCE.

You must be joking or you are just ignorant or merely insincere!!!The sanctions on Rhodesia were never stringent in any sense. Some of us were working in Salisbury then and we know that you could get anything you want. The South Africans and the rest of Angloworld.com carried on with trade and commerce while the UK government protected the white rhodies from serious measures at the United Nations throughout the 20 years. l was a senior QA technician at CAPS where one of my duties was to check and confirm newly arrived consignments of pharmaceuticals and other chemicals. In fact l was the only African allowed in this area, during the time l was there, by Maurice Crammer, one of the three Jewish brothers who founded the company. We managed to acquire just about anything from overseas. Besides the Rhodies literary owned and ran the Port of Beira and Rhodesia, for all intent and purpose, was the fifth province of the Republic ... the rhodies did not need visas to go to South Africa. They went downsouth whenever they wanted!!! Clearly you do not know what you are talking about. Besides Zimbabwe is in the unfortunate position of being used as telling lesson of what would happen if the SouthAfricans or any other African country dare follow suit and occupy farms.. Musazofa makazviitazve. Aluta continua. That is why l have always maintained that Prime minister Tsvangi, for he is my national leader too, was used by forces of Angloworld.com hegemony in Africa .... people who have no interest in the well being of our children.

You must be joking or you are just ignorant or merely insincere!!!The sanctions on Rhodesia were never stringent in any sense. Some of us were working in Salisbury then and we know that you could get anything you want. The South Africans and the rest of Angloworld.com carried on with trade and commerce while the UK government protected the white rhodies from serious measures at the United Nations throughout the 20 years. l was a senior QA technician at CAPS where one of my duties was to check and confirm newly arrived consignments of pharmaceuticals and other chemicals. In fact l was the only African allowed in this area, during the time l was there, by Maurice Crammer, one of the three Jewish brothers who founded the company. We managed to acquire just about anything from overseas. Besides the Rhodies literary owned and ran the Port of Beira and Rhodesia, for all intent and purpose, was the fifth province of the Republic ... the rhodies did not need visas to go to South Africa. They went downsouth whenever they wanted!!! Clearly you do not know what you are talking about. Besides Zimbabwe is in the unfortunate position of being used as telling lesson of what would happen if the SouthAfricans or any other African country dare follow suit and occupy farms.. Musazofa makazviitazve. Aluta continua. That is why l have always maintained that Prime minister Tsvangi, for he is my national leader too, was used by forces of Angloworld.com hegemony in Africa .... people who have no interest in the well being of our children.

You must be joking or you are just ignorant or merely insincere!!!The sanctions on Rhodesia were never stringent in any sense. Some of us were working in Salisbury then and we know that you could get anything you want. The South Africans and the rest of Angloworld.com carried on with trade and commerce while the UK government protected the white rhodies from serious measures at the United Nations throughout the 20 years. l was a senior QA technician at CAPS where one of my duties was to check and confirm newly arrived consignments of pharmaceuticals and other chemicals. In fact l was the only African allowed in this area, during the time l was there, by Maurice Crammer, one of the three Jewish brothers who founded the company. We managed to acquire just about anything from overseas. Besides the Rhodies literary owned and ran the Port of Beira and Rhodesia, for all intent and purpose, was the fifth province of the Republic ... the rhodies did not need visas to go to South Africa. They went downsouth whenever they wanted!!! Clearly you do not know what you are talking about. Besides Zimbabwe is in the unfortunate position of being used as telling lesson of what would happen if the SouthAfricans or any other African country dare follow suit and occupy farms.. Musazofa makazviitazve. Aluta continua. That is why l have always maintained that Prime minister Tsvangi, for he is my national leader too, was used by forces of Angloworld.com hegemony in Africa .... people who have no interest in the well being of our children.

Dear Mabhiza,

Please note that the MDC is a peoples party. Can the majotity of people in Zimbabwe who voted MDC despite threat of death, be as stupid as you think ?

Please do not use abusive terms of address towards Mr Tsvangirai, who is if you and your party is to be considered sincere, THE PRIME MINISTER ELECT OF THE REPUBLIC OF ZIMBABWE.

Sanctions as you say have caused the decline of the ZW economy. Why then did even more stringent sanctions against the white Rhodesian regime spur the same economy into self sufficiency and sustained development?

You, like the present leadership of our country believe that people are stupid and must do as they are told. You believe that this is the African Way. You hate the west but would gladly own the latest Mercedes and send ytour children to western schools.

You are an embarassment to the rest of us Africans who know that Zimbabwe will never be a colony again because we won the war and the world is a very differnt palce now than it was in the 19th century.

We want to meet the world on equal terms and if your people are too paraniod and suspicious to get us the best deal at every western negotiating table then please allow us to send someone else to look for busness and represent us on the international forum.

WE WANT TO BE COUNTED WITH ALL THE REST OF THE PEOPLE ON THE PLANET.

GIVE US A CHANCE.

Dear Mabhiza,

Please note that the MDC is a peoples party. Can the majotity of people in Zimbabwe who voted MDC despite threat of death, be as stupid as you think ?

Please do not use abusive terms of address towards Mr Tsvangirai, who is if you and your party is to be considered sincere, THE PRIME MINISTER ELECT OF THE REPUBLIC OF ZIMBABWE.

Sanctions as you say have caused the decline of the ZW economy. Why then did even more stringent sanctions against the white Rhodesian regime spur the same economy into self sufficiency and sustained development?

You, like the present leadership of our country believe that people are stupid and must do as they are told. You believe that this is the African Way. You hate the west but would gladly own the latest Mercedes and send ytour children to western schools.

You are an embarassment to the rest of us Africans who know that Zimbabwe will never be a colony again because we won the war and the world is a very differnt palce now than it was in the 19th century.

We want to meet the world on equal terms and if your people are too paraniod and suspicious to get us the best deal at every western negotiating table then please allow us to send someone else to look for busness and represent us on the international forum.

WE WANT TO BE COUNTED WITH ALL THE REST OF THE PEOPLE ON THE PLANET.

GIVE US A CHANCE.

Mugga's been there since 1980 and he has destroyed the place. That's the fact.Are you so blind that you cannot see that Mugga never had a plan to build a better Zimbabwe.He and his mates were there to rob the joint.

You are too right mate.

What, pray tell is the difference between the deal Cecil John Rhodes and Lobengula struck at the beginning of the 19th century and the deal JD Brendenkamp (a white man who has called himself Zimbabwean) but has struck a deal with the present leadership to send black-skinned Zimbabwean soldiers to DRC to fight a war.

At least Lobengula had no idea what he was truely in for as the FIRST colonisers were so technologically advanced compared to us way back then.

Now, "COMRADES INCORPORATED" strikes deals with another capitalist neo-colonialist (JDB - wolf in sheep clothing) as long as it allows them to build another 64-room mansion and buy two more Mercs.

They sent our Youth to fight A War, thousands of miles away from our Homeland, telling them that they are going to do an honourable thing. A Noble thing. That they are going to die in the cause of helping out a fellow African country. BROTHER PLEASE, WE ALL KNOW THE REAL BENIFACTORS OF THAT MILITARY CAMPAIGN........

If this is the track record Mr Mabhiza wants us to endorse then I am sorry sir,NO DEAL TODAY !!!!

Dear Mr Mabhiza,

You say that you and your leaders 'have stood the test of time............"

You truly are delusioned.

You and your marxist trained comrades are a dying breed on this continent. Really informed readers will diffreniate your marxist diatribe from the fact that you have cleverly used this training as a tool to further your own ends both politically and economically.

If Mr Tsvangirai is such a bad example of leadership in ZW``s time of need then please gladly volunteer one of your sitting pretty leaders to come along and suffer with the rest of the povo in ZW. Let your Comrade BEAT-BEAT forgo his comfy life in the former white suburbs of ZW, climb out of his Merc, take of his Gucci loafer and rough it with the rest of us like a true leader should, not so. Lead by example,not so.

PLEASE NOTE THAT THE LIBERATION STRUGGLE WAS NOT ABOUT US SHARING THE SAME TOILETS AND SCHOOLS ETC WITH THE WHITES IN THE LEAFY SUBURBS OF HARARE LIKE BORROWDALE AND HIGHLANDS ETC. IT WAS ABOUT US BEING ABLE TO BUILD DECENT TOILETS AND SCHOOLS ETC IN PLACES LIKE MBARE AND ST MARY`S.

YOU ARE THE TRUE BETRAYERS OF THE LIBERATION WAR. YOU HAVE TAKEN THE OPPRESSORS PLACE TENFOLD.

Thankfully there is a new brand of African emerging ON THE CONTINENT that will replace your champagne socialist thinking.

A wise white man no less once said that the winds of change were blowing over Africa.

Those winds have started again. We refuse to be the basket case of the planet and do not fear but embrace the rest of mankind.

We as Black people have experienced and overcome many things and must not allow these same things to make us weaker. We refuse to walk around with a chip on our shoulder like you and your leaders would want us to do. We are equal to the task of jioning the rest of humankind in PROGRESS into the TWENTY FIRST CENTURY.

Good Bye.

Dear Mr Mabhiza,

You say that you and your leaders 'have stood the test of time............"

You truly are delusioned.

You and your marxist trained comrades are a dying breed on this continent. Really informed readers will diffreniate your marxist diatribe from the fact that you have cleverly used this training as a tool to further your own ends both politically and economically.

If Mr Tsvangirai is such a bad example of leadership in ZW``s time of need then please gladly volunteer one of your sitting pretty leaders to come along and suffer with the rest of the povo in ZW. Let your Comrade BEAT-BEAT forgo his comfy life in the former white suburbs of ZW, climb out of his Merc, take of his Gucci loafer and rough it with the rest of us like a true leader should, not so. Lead by example,not so.

PLEASE NOTE THAT THE LIBERATION STRUGGLE WAS NOT ABOUT US SHARING THE SAME TOILETS AND SCHOOLS ETC WITH THE WHITES IN THE LEAFY SUBURBS OF HARARE LIKE BORROWDALE AND HIGHLANDS ETC. IT WAS ABOUT US BEING ABLE TO BUILD DECENT TOILETS AND SCHOOLS ETC IN PLACES LIKE MBARE AND ST MARY`S.

YOU ARE THE TRUE BETRAYERS OF THE LIBERATION WAR. YOU HAVE TAKEN THE OPPRESSORS PLACE TENFOLD.

Thankfully there is a new brand of African emerging ON THE CONTINENT that will replace your champagne socialist thinking.

A wise white man no less once said that the winds of change were blowing over Africa.

Those winds have started again. We refuse to be the basket case of the planet and do not fear but embrace the rest of mankind.

We as Black people have experienced and overcome many things and must not allow these same things to make us weaker. We refuse to walk around with a chip on our shoulder like you and your leaders would want us to do. We are equal to the task of jioning the rest of humankind in PROGRESS into the TWENTY FIRST CENTURY.

Good Bye.

Dear Mr Mabhiza,

You say that you and your leaders 'have stood the test of time............"

You truly are delusioned.

You and your marxist trained comrades are a dying breed on this continent. Really informed readers will diffreniate your marxist diatribe from the fact that you have cleverly used this training as a tool to further your own ends both politically and economically.

If Mr Tsvangirai is such a bad example of leadership in ZW``s time of need then please gladly volunteer one of your sitting pretty leaders to come along and suffer with the rest of the povo in ZW. Let your Comrade BEAT-BEAT forgo his comfy life in the former white suburbs of ZW, climb out of his Merc, take of his Gucci loafer and rough it with the rest of us like a true leader should, not so. Lead by example,not so.

PLEASE NOTE THAT THE LIBERATION STRUGGLE WAS NOT ABOUT US SHARING THE SAME TOILETS AND SCHOOLS ETC WITH THE WHITES IN THE LEAFY SUBURBS OF HARARE LIKE BORROWDALE AND HIGHLANDS ETC. IT WAS ABOUT US BEING ABLE TO BUILD DECENT TOILETS AND SCHOOLS ETC IN PLACES LIKE MBARE AND ST MARY`S.

YOU ARE THE TRUE BETRAYERS OF THE LIBERATION WAR. YOU HAVE TAKEN THE OPPRESSORS PLACE TENFOLD.

Thankfully there is a new brand of African emerging ON THE CONTINENT that will replace your champagne socialist thinking.

A wise white man no less once said that the winds of change were blowing over Africa.

Those winds have started again. We refuse to be the basket case of the planet and do not fear but embrace the rest of mankind.

We as Black people have experienced and overcome many things and must not allow these same things to make us weaker. We refuse to walk around with a chip on our shoulder like you and your leaders would want us to do. We are equal to the task of jioning the rest of humankind in PROGRESS into the TWENTY FIRST CENTURY.

Good Bye.

Mabhiza, how many times do I have to tell you. Whenever you say "kith and kin" you just end up sounding like a complete and utter wanker. Just so you know.

Please provide some evidence of analysts lamenting the emergence of the MDC. You are making this up and you know it. You are also making up that the MDC courted sanctions against the Zimbabwean people. You have no evidence of this and are just making up lies. You have a completely warped view of the world that luckily only resides in your puny pathetic mind.

And I see that you think there is no problem with Mugabe giving himself the 6 key ministries when the GNU is supposed to be about working together, sharing the power and all that. Clearly Mugabe has brazenly stolen power from the people of Zimbabwe.

Face it, Mugabe shouldnt even be there in the first place, he lost the election and should be facing the judges in the Hague for the crimes he has committed against his own people.

Agreed. MUGGA shouldnt be there right now as he was after allconfirm by his own account, the Looser.

What sort of warped logic are we showing to the rest of the world in Zimbabwe.

Should we teach our childern that its OK to loose as long as youare big and strong enough to beat people into accepting you as the winner!!!!

That even when you win, like we did in the Liberation War, you should still be afraid your vanquished enemy!!!!

These ideals, gentlemen, will not turn this country into a winning nation on the international stage.

Let MDC extend the hand of reconciliation to ZPF like RGM supposedly did in 1980. Or was it all a lie.

Zimbabwe wants to move on. FORWARD FOREVER....BACKWARD NEVER

You hit the nail on the head there... "Should we teach our childern that its OK to loose as long as youare big and strong enough to beat people into accepting you as the winner!!!!" Exactly What Mugabe has done. Lost an election, faked the results enough to get a recount, then beat the crap out of people so they have no choice but to vote for him. And the people of Zim suffer.

Agreed. MUGGA shouldnt be there right now as he was after allconfirm by his own account, the Looser.

What sort of warped logic are we showing to the rest of the world in Zimbabwe.

Should we teach our childern that its OK to loose as long as youare big and strong enough to beat people into accepting you as the winner!!!!

That even when you win, like we did in the Liberation War, you should still be afraid your vanquished enemy!!!!

These ideals, gentlemen, will not turn this country into a winning nation on the international stage.

Let MDC extend the hand of reconciliation to ZPF like RGM supposedly did in 1980. Or was it all a lie.

Zimbabwe wants to move on. FORWARD FOREVER....BACKWARD NEVER

Agreed. MUGGA shouldnt be there right now as he was after allconfirm by his own account, the Looser.

What sort of warped logic are we showing to the rest of the world in Zimbabwe.

Should we teach our childern that its OK to loose as long as youare big and strong enough to beat people into accepting you as the winner!!!!

That even when you win, like we did in the Liberation War, you should still be afraid your vanquished enemy!!!!

These ideals, gentlemen, will not turn this country into a winning nation on the international stage.

Let MDC extend the hand of reconciliation to ZPF like RGM supposedly did in 1980. Or was it all a lie.

Zimbabwe wants to move on. FORWARD FOREVER....BACKWARD NEVER

Agreed. MUGGA shouldnt be there right now as he was after allconfirm by his own account, the Looser.

What sort of warped logic are we showing to the rest of the world in Zimbabwe.

Should we teach our childern that its OK to loose as long as youare big and strong enough to beat people into accepting you as the winner!!!!

That even when you win, like we did in the Liberation War, you should still be afraid your vanquished enemy!!!!

These ideals, gentlemen, will not turn this country into a winning nation on the international stage.

Let MDC extend the hand of reconciliation to ZPF like RGM supposedly did in 1980. Or was it all a lie.

Zimbabwe wants to move on. FORWARD FOREVER....BACKWARD NEVER

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Mabhiza shows all the chracteristices of someone who regretfully suffers from an advanced stage of HIV/AIDS. His memory is already adversely affected and he is growing more and more senile as the days go by. He is going the same way like lunatic Mugabe! Hopeless, like murderer Mugabe!

prem, your comments about advanced HIV/AIDS people is a bit cruel. As somebody who knows people who are HIV/AIDS, I find that reference with regard to Mabhiza cruel.

While I agree with your comments on the subject matter, it is important to keep things civil and not be too heavy handed.

My Dear Phiri! You missed the point and I am happy to clarify my thoughts;

In other words, I was saying that people with an advanced stage of HIV/AIDS whose memeries are affected acts erratically. They lack coherence in their thoughts. Mabhiza is just acting like one. Hence my warning to readers to disregard Mabhiza's rotten scrap!

Otherwise, statistics show that more people either die, get maimed, displaced or raped out of political violence than from HIV/AIDS. Even people who either die or get physically incapacitated from road accidents are more numerous than those from HIV/AIDS. But that is another debate.

Phiri, what are you doing to drum up wider support in the SADC region for more pressure on Mugabe & thugs? Zims acting alone will not be enough, unless the exiled ones return armed with AK47! We would rather seek and promote a non-violent way if that could deliver. Hence my plea to people like yourself to start preaching to the SADC audience!

Prem, Thank God HIV/AIDS has slowed down in Zimbabwe, but it is still damaging society. Yes, President Mugabe share the responsibility of death due to lack of medicine and bad policies and for staying too long in power, rendering him ineffective.

The best way to help Zimbabweans come to the realization (most already know and voted against Mugabe) that a change in Zimbabwe is necessary for a brighter future is to welcome other African leaders outside SADC to be involved. Former President Mbeki is not the right mediator at this time around. He is fighting for his legacy and has no real power to compel Mugabe to follow thru the agreements.

Above all, Zimbabweans themselves should work day and night to remove Mugabe from power.

How can people return loaded with me, Eeh??

Prem, why can't you for once just admit that you are wrong. Your own friend is telling you that your reference to HIV positive patients was out of step but you still insist on insulting people who are suffering from a disease that was created by your masters. Instead of sympathising with them you continue putting salt to an injury. What kind of a person are you? I now doubt if you are Zimbabwean. You are the same person who called me a psychatric petient but I kept my dignit because readers would not have see the difference. Now you are at it again, this time insulting innocent sufferers who have been put in that position by you American masters.

Anyway I do not blame you coz this is the tendency with all MDC people. They, without any shread of thought force everybody, including the innocent, into their fight. You called for sanctions and now they are hurting everyone including your own supporters. What kind of mentality is that which has no regard for the innocent. Even your muchembere in rural Zimbabwe is suffering for no apparent reason than that you want to get to State House at all costs. You do not mind finding no one to rule when everybody has died of stavation resulting from the sanctions you called for.

Of late you are swinging with McGee so as to add more people and companies to your sancions list. You are uncouth, you are a bustarded, you behave like someone from the dump site as a pyschatric patient is better because he was getting better food and medication. Uri chitururu chaicho.

Haha Yeah Prem, you are a bustarded!!!! haha thats hilarious

So what you are saying Takunya is that the sanctions on ministerial travel and on 4 companies have caused all this mess. Yup Takunya logic there. Nothing at all to do with the mismangement of the economy buy the butcher of harare. Whatever. Wake up and start thinking logically.

Takunya, it looks to me like you are taking Prem's comment on HIV/AIDS as a great excuse to criticize and really go after him. WHY? I know. It happens all the time that those of you who support the lunatic of Zimbabwe, the butcher of Zimbabwe, the destroyer of Zimbabwe, the thief and cheat of Zimbabwe, Robert Gabriel Mugabe, never want to hear from anyone that Zimbabwe is in such deep shit because HE MUGABE is the responsible culprit to ALL your woes. Guess what, you are sore because you have been so brainwashed by Mugabe, you no longer know whether you are coming or going. Look around you man. There is no food, but Mugabe is the president. There are no jobs, but Mugabe is the president. The paper you use to wipe your ass with is more valuable than your currency, but Mugabe is the president. Millions of your people have fled, but Mugabe is the president. Why is Mr Tsvangirai and MDC being drawn into a power sharing government if Mugabe on his own is so capable? Think man, and look beyond political party allegiance. Help build your Zimbabwe.

I agree with you kjrs120. Zimbabwe is in great economic and political problems solely caused by Zanu PF. The country used to be the bread basket of Africa and now we are relying on hand outs. Zanu Government tend to use colonial rhetorics to criticise those against its politics. Lets face it, Western countries are still donating a lot in terms of humanitarian aid. Free minded Zimbabweans when they criticise the government for its failures are termed colonial backers. Where mis the Democracy, which Zanu PF is talking about. Millions of Zimbabweans have been forced into exile as a result of Zanu PF's inadequate management of the economy and agriculture. Look at the farms!!! Its pathetic. The politicians do not know how to farm. The country is bleeding to death and for how long shall we watch and praise a party that has utterly and dismally failed. Its good to see writers like you kjrs and others who are writing what is true and stand for the oppressed people and not those pro-Zanu writers who are still dancing an outdated song played from the old gramma phone.

Thank you Rock. God bless Zimbabwe and may all her displaced children come safely home to peace and prosperity in the near future.

Rock, the saying or term that "Zimbabwe was a breadbasket in Africa" is a misleading term. This term was only used when white farmers were kicked out of Zimbabwe. It Implies that Zimbabweans once fed the whole of Africa, which is far..and Far..from the truth. White Farming was part tourism,game farming, ecology and mostly big cash crops, especially tobacco farming. In my view the term has always been misleading.

You are right in documenting the failures of modern day predominately black farmers (although there are a few successful black farmers also today). Black Zimbabwean farmers now have lost all their markets in the UK, which were serviced by white minority farmers.

Hie kjrs120, it is nice hearing from you but most of what you said is a heap of rubbish. Let me explain why. President Mugabe has been in power for 28 years. Can you tell me why all the problems that you outlined were not happening in the first 20 years of his rule? Can you tell me why it had to start only after he embarked on the land reform programme?

The answer lies in Tsvangirai having decided to do the bidding for imperialists. He has called for sanctions, and the imperialist obliged. He was part to the drafting of the America sanctions bill. He has drawn up the list of people and companies that are on the western sanction list. Infact he has sold 13 million people. Remember he has to find time to swing with McGee, a man who breg openly about imposing sanctions on Zimbabwe.

Former colonisers, because they were bitter about loosing grip on the Zim Economy, readily agreed to use the fool so that he could deliver Zimbabwe to them. Hence, shelves are empty, people are hungry, the currency has plummeted, there is brain drain etc. This is an economic war my dear and in such a war you have to use your sixth sense to see beyond what they say and want people to hear.

The western imperialists say that they have only applied sanctions (travel bans) on a few ministers and 4 companies, thats bullshit. They have gone out of their way to intercept ships carrying food and fuel to Zimbabwe, offering them double the price if they would not take it to my country. They have tried to influence our friends in the east who are prepared to trade with us. You obvioously have heard about the defeat of their sponsored resolution in the UNSC which was aimed at clearing the way for the invasion of Zimbabwe through some very obvious SADC countries that have been bought like Tsvangirai. Remember AFRICOM???

This my dear is what is called economic war. If you do not open your yes and you take everything at face value you will never realise what goes on underneath. It is the work of CIA and MI5, they operate covertly.

The scenario in Zimbabwe is the same as what happened during slavery. Whites did not just come and capture blacks and took them to their plantations. There were some sellouts who did their bidding for them. That is why, knowing and realising how barbaric slavery was, whites still do not want to pay compensation or reperations and are not prepared to own up to their genocidal crimes.

Tsvangirai has done the same in Zimbabweans. Everytime that he opens his mouth, filthy lucre drops into his foreign bank account, but conversely the people of Zimbabwe will be sinking. He now has a house in South Africa, Botswana, London and many other foreign cities. He now has a private jet to take him anywhere he wants. Where did he get all that money from, if I may ask?

People like Prem and Awt_independent post faulsehoods about President Mugabe all in a vain attempt to tarnish the image of a good and innocent man like Mugabe, a man who loves and is fighting not only for Zimbabwe but for the whole of Africa and all the oppressed people of the world. Mugabe has never condoned violence, torture, rape, murder and what have you. Infact he has fought against and will continue to fight against genocide in Zimbabwe and the world over.

Takunya. Why do you waste your time and everyone elses time? You continue to post lies and get found out on a daily basis. Its embarrasing for you.

The 'sanctions' of ministerial travel, arms etc, were put on Zimbabwe independently of Tsvangarai. If Tsvangarai had never existed, there would still be these 'sanctions' on the government of Zimbabwe.

You need to look at why they are there, and thats because the US government found Zimbabwe wanting in terms of the rule of law, democracy, freedom of speech etc. Fix these and remove these sanctions... quite simple really.

You say Tsvanagari "was part to the drafting of the America sanctions bill. He has drawn up the list of people and companies that are on the western sanction list". This is a load of lies and you know it. Every day I ask you to substantiate your claims and you never respond. You have no evidence but continue to post lies in the hope that if you throw enough mud, some of it will stick. Well.. thats why I'm here. To point out your lies. And its not difficult.

The intercepted ships you are referring too are known by everyone, and is well documented, even by the Herald, to have contained arms and weapons to potentially be used against the people of Zimbabwe. It wasnt any government that refused to unload these ships, merely the good people of South Africa. Mugabe has committed genocide against his people, 20,000 of them, so whats to stop him doing it again. A leopard doesnt change his spots.

You really are deluded though. You talk about clearing the way for an invasion of Zimbabwe. So laughable its rediculous. If people wanted to invade Zim they would, and it would take about 2 days. But no one wants too. You are a fool to believe otherwise. Lol and its the work of the CIA and MI5? I really just cant take you seriously. No one can. You are the laughing stock of allafrica.com! Well done!

Speaking of Genocide though, what do you say about Mugabe's genocide of the Mdebele people?, 20,000 of them I believe? And Mugabe is your hero.... says alot doesnt it. You cant really say he's fighting against Genocide now can you. 20,000 is alot of peoples murders to be responsible dont you think? And trying to import a ship load of weapons to do the same again is really not fighting against genocide now is it. Lucky we have people with a conscience in SA dont you think.

And why do you make up lies about Tsvangarai having houses in South Africa, Botswana and London and many other foreign cities. You really are scraping the barrel arent you. What lies will you come up with next I wonder. You are just so pathetic, its rediculous.

So once again I have proved what a big fat liar you are. You make no sense, have no credibility and waste everyones post with your lies, which are so obviously untrue that its laughable. You are a joke.

Awt_independent, You have shown everybody that you are fond of commending on Zimbabwe when you know nothing about the country. Where were you when Tsvangirai said he was being assisting by his "cousins"? Where were you when Tsvangirai asked South Africa to cut electricity, transport and trade links with Zimbabwe? Obviously you will chose not to hear in the hope that it will come to pass. Where were you when Tsvangirai said, "murikuti murikusha chikafu, mucha shaisisa"?

Where were you when Brown and Blair before him said they were working with the MDC and in particular Tsvangirai to effect regime change in Zimbabwe? Did you not hear that a British company called Tesco or something like that was forced to stop importing fresh produce from our farmers because they want to make the Zim economy scream. Did you not hear Kissinger telling Congress that they will make the Zim economy scream. Did you not hear that a Germany company that used to supply paper to the RBZ was forced to cancel the deal because they want to make our economy cream?

Obviously you choose not to know that ZISCO Steel cannot trade in the world freely. You also would not bother finding out why we cannot sell our diamond and other minerals when we have applied and got permission from the regulating authorities. Can you tell me why Guy GEORGIOUS' company should be put on the sanction list? Can you tell why Chiyangwa's companies, which have nothing to do with Zanu pf, should be sanctioned.

As for the so-called Matabeleland massacre, well, you may be interested to know that one of the authors of the document you are so fond of quoting (Mike Auret) recently admitted that the figure was exagerated when he was challenged by Fay Chung. Why don't you provide evidence of the mass killings you are talking about because obviously where 20 000 are killed in less than 3 years there should be mass graves.

In any case how can a 2-year war to stop dissidents from killing civilians claim more lives than a 16-year war that saw mass killings at Chimoio, Nyadzonya, Mkushi, Mavhonde and all over Zimbabwe. All those people who were killed in villages throughout Zimbabwe cannot add up to even half the figure you are talking about. Why? Please tell me. Because they were killed by the racist regime of Smith and so you need to present them as less evil.

Just look and consider only two people who were involved in coming up with the document, Mike Auret and David Coltatt - hardcore racists who never accepted black rule. Thus they made up the evidence to tarnish the image of my president and government.

You obviously have heard the president sadly talking about those dark days of the dissident era, that should never be repeated. He has publicly acknowledged that accesses might have been committed and vowed that that should NEVER EVER be repeated. This is what brought peace and unity in Zimbabwe. We have forgiven each other (Ndebeles and Shonas) and are working together for the betterment of our country. The wedge you want to put between us will not work because we are now cleverer and know better when we see imperialist machinations to divide us.

As for the ship you refer to, you got it all wrong again. This shows me that you deliberately ignore anything that is against imperialists. Britain and America intercepted ships laden with fuel and destined for Zim from Kuwait, E. Guinne and Lybia just to name three and offered them double the prices for the goods if only they would not take them to Zim. Now you have it, what more evidence do you need? A whole population of 13 million people has been put under sanctions through the instigation of Tsvangirai and no one else.

Takunya, I have shown you to be telling lies and making things up many many times now. You have no credibility here. You tell one lie and that means everyone now has to question everything you say. In your case, if you tell 100 lies, everyone just thinks you're stupid and a waste of time. So Mr "Mugabe is the most democratic leader in all africa", I rest my case. You are nothing but an uneducated village idiot. I didnt even bother to read what you just wrote, just so you know. The hour that you took to type that is simply wasted. Maybe if you had some credibility here and didnt lie all the time I would bother listening to you. But you are a fool. And and uneducated fool. So I have no time for you.

Author: awt_independent Takunya, I have shown you to be telling lies and making things up many many times now. You have no credibility here. You tell one lie and that means everyone now has to question everything you say. In your case, if you tell 100 lies, everyone just thinks you're stupid and a waste of time. So Mr "Mugabe is the most democratic leader in all africa", I rest my case. You are nothing but an uneducated village idiot. I didnt even bother to read what you just wrote, just so you know. The hour that you took to type that is simply wasted. Maybe if you had some credibility here and didnt lie all the time I would bother listening to you. But you are a fool. And and uneducated fool. So I have no time for you.

Awt_independent, Obviously you wouldn't have time for me because I am not the CIA who pay you to lie about Zimbabwe. All you attention should be directed at the paymaster. The good thing about it all is that you heard and understood what I said. I gave you the evidence you have been asking for all along and suddenly you no longer read my posts - what studpidity.

I have outclassed you as has Cde Mabhiza. You completely have no depth in all on the topics you discuss on this forum. Very soon your paymaster will cut your salary as you are failing in your duties. You keep talking about one thing without providing further facts or evidence.

You are just one example of a confused fool who has no mind of his own except regurgitating what the CIA and MI5 tell you to write. Zimbabweans now consider you a stinking blair toilet (full to the bream) where no one goes to any more to relieve themselves. You are a lunatic, you are a confused cockroach, you are everything negative in this world.

The CIA is paying me to make comments about how I feel about the Butcher of Harare? Thats great news! Where do I get my cheque?!

You have never provided any evidence about anything, but continue to post new posts with the same old lies. And when I have you up on it, you never reply to my posts. Look around allafrica, and see how many of your posts are followed by me successfully rebutting you, and then you have nothing to say for yourself.

You and Maybhiza are just fools. You support a man who rapes and beats his own people to keep power. You are a small minority of idiots that post on here. You'll note that pretty much everyone else is on the side of humanity here. Why arent you? You couldnt outclass a monkey.

When will you learn? No one wants to reverse the land reform in Zimbabwe. No one wants to recolonise Zimbabwe, yet you keep posting that they do! And you have no evidence of this. Tsvangarai never called for sanctions against the people of Zimbabwe, yet you say he did, but provide no evidence to this.

But I'll let readers make their own minds up about someone who actually thinks that "Mugabe is the most democratic leader in all of africa".

Speaks for itself really.

Well said my brother ! I have tried to understand and allow for different views but after a while , I become frustrated that people can be so stupid as some of the commenters on these pages. You make very valid points and it is pleasing someone has some sense. Hahaha if the CIA paid to write on these pages , the morons you speak of would probably do it for a fist full of dollars but only in forex , not Zim toilet paper! You and Prem keep up the good work.

Thanks mate. Do you think if I send the CIA my bank details, they'll send some money through? Just frustrates me that there are some idiots out there that actually think people want to recolonise Zimbabwe, and such thoughs lead to a division between Zimbabweans which leads to more suffering. Its time to work together to move forwards and forget about history that is 30 years old!

Yep before 1999 there was a one party state. I am sure many in Zanu PF lament the creation of MDC. I am sure many in Zanu lament that when they threw Tvangorai out the window he did not die. Sham poor lametable chaps!

jrr562004, You lie like your friends Awt_independent and Prem who have no shame at all. Before 1999 there was UANC, NDU, ZUM, ZANU(NDONGA), ZUD and many other parties that campaigned freely without any violence. Come Tsvangirai and his MDC all hell broke loose.

As for Boycott being thrown out of the window, well, that is hoogewash. Being a coward that he is, Boycott will drop dead by merely seeing police coming to arrest him, what more being thrown out of 5th floor window.

In 1978 Tsvangirai was in his mid-20s but he could not get the courage to join other freedom fighters in Mozambique or Zambia. Instead he choose to work with the regime of Ian Smith and cause the death of many freedom fighters and innocent people in his home area.

Takunya, I have heard everything you have said about Zimbabwe's past and present and my goodness is it twisted tripe. Of ALL the millions of Zimbabweans, are you the only 'educated' one who knows of Mr Tsvangirai's so called corruption and drive to destroy your country? Why then is Mbeki, one of Robert Mugabe's closest friend, making all this effort to unite Mr Tsvangirai in the governing of Zimbabwe if he is such a bad man? All those Zimbabweans who voted in great numbers for Mr Tsvangirai to govern them, even exceeding Mugabe, are they all stupid? Your very own leaders from the African countries who have always 'respected Mugabe', how come they have never said anything contrary to Mr Tsvangirai's character - how come? Are they all stupid? Do you honestly think that Mr Tsvangirai has SO much power that he can order any world leader or businesses to comply with whatever he wishes? Well, if you think that is the case, then I suggest your country had better get him on board as soon as possible before he orders leaders of other countries to step down while he assumes their leadership. Hey, he has that power - No? Now you see how preposterous your assumptions are? Your loyalty to the butcher of Zimbabwe, Mugabe, is clouding your good judgment and so you are not the wisest out there. For your information, Mugabe is now just a walkie-talkie of no substance.

Kjrs120, It seems to me that you are deliberately twisting facts to suit your point of view. I thought you were going to start from where it all started. What came first was the imperialists refusing to let go of our resources.

Tsvangirai is just a willing tool that is being used, to be discarded after. Colonisers never forgave us for wrestling political power from them. We have now wrestled economic power from them and they are very angry. In comes Tsvangirai who offers himself to be used at will. They use him to impose sanctions against the people of Zimbabwe. He does all the talking they do the deed.

Like Savimbi, Chombe and Ndlakama before him, Tsvangirai is just being used and has no clout what so ever to call for the lifting of the same sanctions he called for. Imperialists did not impose sanctions because Tsvangirai said so but in him they found a pretext. Malik of Iraq was a pretext for Bush and Blair to bomb the country. In Vietnam, Nicaragua, Grenada, Panama and many other countries around the world which are too numerous to mention, Americans had to find a pretext to either bomb, invade or support rebels.

Tsvangirai is just a tissue paper to be flashed down the toilet after cleaning the ass.

Takunya_ndebvu is the filthy liar! He claims he knows all about Zimbabwe! Maybe he sleeps in the same bed with monster Mugabe who shares state secrets with him! Oh! sorry; I forgot it is outlawed in Zimbabwe! I mean same sex ... !

But I believe Mugabe can say "do what I say, don't do what I do". As he has always done. Like when he played ignorance with Tsvangirai about murders, maiming and rape that he instigated his thugs to carry out.

So, Takunya_ndebvu sleeping in Mugabe's bed and knowing all about Zimbabwe and yet denying there have been murders, maiming and rape!!

Takunya_ndebvu! You can go talk to your friends under psychiatric treatment. Everybody else is just laughing!

Ah, yes, beware of HIV/AIDS. You know well that the guy is in a frail state of health! One never knows, eh ?

Takunya, Mr Mugabe is the most democratic leader in africa, you again talk the same old lies that you have been posting for weeks. The sanctions against the government of Zimbabwe are in place irrespective of Tsvangirai. They are there because Mugabe has denied the people of Zimbabwe democratic ideals. This has nothing to do with Tsvangirai, and to suggest it is Tsvangirai's fault is simply rediculous.

You say that "Tsvangirai is just being used and has no clout what so ever to call for the lifting of the same sanctions he called for." Refer to my comment above. These sanctions against the government of Zimbabwe are 100% independent of Tsvangirai. All you have to do is ask yourself, if Tsvangirai did not exist, would their be sanctions? Of course there would be. So it has nothing to do with Tsvangirai, and by suggested he does, you are only looking to divide Zimbabweans further, at a time when Zimbabweans should be coming together. You are a disgrace to the people of Zimbabwe. An embarrassment even.

You might believe the drivel you spout, but most educated people over the world laugh and deride you. Before 1999 the was no meaningful oposition, Zapu was the only oposition that existed and was destroyed by Mugabe when he killed 20,000 Matabeles. It is amazing that Under Mugabe more Zuimbabweans have died that during the entire period under the Smith regime. How does that grab you. Zimbabwe is the only country in Africa to have a negative population growth, is the only country in Africa to have over 50% of its population unable to feed itself and is the onbly country in Africa that 90% of the employed people (concider that over 90% are unemployed) have a wage that is not enough to feed him or his family. What a good job you lot in Zanu have done. You must all be very proud. You spout about the revolution, revolution for what. It was to give the people of Zimbabwe freedom - of speach - to vote - to own land - to live with out fear. None of this has happened! The revolution was as such a disaster, so stop the crap and lies.

Jrr, I agree with you that Zimbabwe is sinking down and becoming poor by the second. I also agree that Mugabe must be removed from power asap. Mugabe destroyed Zimbabwe and he is not the legimate leader!

However to say Zimbabwe is the only country in Africa that has 50% of it's population who cannot feed it's is totally false. Also what now exists in Zimbabwe is not formal employment as defined in the western world, but informal trade which has replaced formal employment.

Surprisingly enough, Zimbabweans have survived, although their luck is slowly running out. We still must use "FACTS" to defeat Robert Mugabe. Whenever misleading information on Zimbabwe is published, Mugabe the great propagandists has turned it around. The African continent is so poor, that even Zimbabwe a conutry with Billion percent inflation still looks better than Somalia, Ethiopia, Liberia, Chad. Zimbabweans are still living in their homes and still play cricket, soccer, go to church and recieve 3 Billion Rands from Zimbabweans in South Africa, 780 million dollars from the USA Zimbabweans etc. LETS DEAT ROBERT MUGABE NOT BY LIES, BUT FACTS AND A BIT OF ARM TWISTING.

Phiri,I believe your heart is seeking the middle way.I certainly dont wish to insult you, so i'll say without any detriment to you or any body else who is against the abysmal lack of respect for his or her fellow man ,woman or child. The middle way is the truth that lies between the two emotional extremes (acceptance and denial)Yes Zimbabwe can feed itself ,yes Zimbabwe can be self sufficient in mining, manufacture, education..etc, etc, Just about anything it can set it's mind to....Mugga's had "28 bloody years"to do something .So tell me Mugga Luvas'what's your plan? Morgan is not a coward,he more than likely is a selfless dedicated man standing up for a fair go.It's only cowards who beat women and starve children!!

Please ignore any comments from Takunya and Comical Mabhiza. Here are some facts (and you cant argue with facts!) why..

1) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza are paid by the ZANU PF to spread propaganda and lies, and to twist the truth in the ZANU PF's favor on the internet.

2) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza are one and the same person.

3) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza both have stated that Mugabe is the most democratic leader in Africa. Seriously!

4) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza both support the use of violence, murder, rape and torture by Mugabe against the people of Zimbabwe.

5) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza both believe that Bush is responsible for atrocities in Iraq, and this justifies Mugabe's atrocities in Zimbabwe, including the genocide of 20,000 Ndebele people and the murders of over 100 MDC supporters during this years elections.

6) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza should be ignored because none of their posts are truthful and they are always misleading.

7) If you say anything against Mugabe, Takunya and Comical Mabhiza may say that you are paid by the CIA and MI5 to write here.

8) I do not work for the CIA

9) The CIA does not pay me. If they do, please give them my bank account details, all cards accepted. :-)

10) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza will also resort to childish name calling when they have no factual evidence based argument.

11) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza both believe that Tsvangirai called for sanctions against the people of Mugabe.

12) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza should be ignored because non of their posts are truthful and they are always misleading.

13) Tsvangirai never called for sanctions against the people of Zimbabwe.

14) When confronted and asked for evidence of this, Takunya and Comical Mabhiza have none.

15) The Sanctions faced by Zimbabwe are not against the people of Zimbabwe.

16) The Sanctions faced by Zimbabwe are only against the government and its ministers, and 4 companies, including one that makes military uniforms.

17) None of these Sanctions are faced by the people of Zimbabwe.

18) Tsvangirai is not responsible for these sanctions.

19) If Tsvangirai did not exist, there would still be sanctions on Zimbabwe (as described above).

20) Therefore Tsvangirai is 100% independent of Zimbabwe being sanctioned as above.

21) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza should be ignored because non of their posts are truthful and they are always misleading.

22) Biti and Ncube, and Tsvangirai had no input into the drafting of the American sanctions bill.

23) The west does not want to recolonise Zimbabwe.

24) The west does not want to invade Zimbabwe.

25) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza should be ignored because non of their posts are truthful and they are always misleading.

26) The west does not want to poison aid and kill Zimbabweans.

27) Tsvangirai has never denied aid to the Zimbabwean people, only Mugabe has done this.

28) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza should be ignored because non of their posts are truthful and they are always misleading.

So just ignore Takunya and Comical Mabhiza, and let these facts speak for themselves.

Thank you for your time.