SADC has no choice but to change venue to Zimbabwe. That should really help, particularly seeing they will have to change money in the banks and spend USD1,000 to pay for one burger.Good forex for us. Further, they can stay until cabinet is formed and witness swearing in ceremony. While they are there they could visit Mwenezi and witness how the average Zimbabwean is faring out there. Of course, they are advised to take cholera vaccines in advance, as I believe their countries still need them. They may also want to check out Mudede and find out how many emergency passports he has issued over the past month, and how long each one took. Possibly, one of them could accompany Tsvangirai to see Mudede and hear for themselves why the leader of the majority party should be denied a passport. Elder salutes president of RSA for joining the talks and hope he has a timetable by which he will quit, otherwise there will be noone to run RSA for the next six months, judging by the progress to date.

As long as they bring toilet paper it will be fine. Cry the beloved country.

Botswana is right. It's time for new elections with international guards. Looks like Mugagbe had only 33% of the March Vote after all. Morgan is the new president even if he doesn't have a passport. You can never run a goverment while the criminals are still in possition. http://www.houseforsaleweb.com/

Buildcastles, Botswana is totally wrong to suggest that we go for another costly election when the win is there. Besides being costly the elections will distract our attention from the real issues that the country is facing.

For a start the rainy season is upon us, people are hungry, hospitals have no medicines, schools have not opened and children have not been learning since January.

Where do we get the money to contact another costly election when we should be using such resources to buy fertilizers, books for children, medicines for patience and all the like? We do not have that luxury. Botswana has that kind of luxury because it is being paid for allowing Americans to run a military base in their country. So they can use filthy lucre to do what they want. After all they are not sweating for it, it just comes as long as Americans and the British do what they want in that military junta run country.

All the problems in Zimbabwe are just because of one perons - one person called TSVANGIRAI aka Boycott. Tsvangirai called for sanctions against the people and is, therefore, causing death to the masses of Zimbabwe. He should be tried for genocide. Of late he has become arrogant and intransigent - finding time (imagine 4 hours) to swing with imperialist McGee when people are starving. He has now refused to attend a meeting of the SADC Troika just because he does not want to use what everybody in Zimbabwe is using - an ETD. He is so disrespectful to the SADC leaders. This criminal called Tsvangirai should be held accountable for his mass killing of Zimbabweans.

Cde Ndebvu - my apologies if you have seen this response that I penned to one of your other posts earlier on; but it remains pertinent to your comments on this thread:

"I am afraid that your line of thinking is well and truly trapped in the past. The world, including Africa, has moved on since the seventies and your terminology about revolutionary parties and imperialists has about as much relevance today as telegrams and cassette tapes.

To help you not get too despondent, here is some good news for you: > Of the 48 sub-Saharan countries in Africa, two-thirds now limit presidential terms. > The presumption of state control under the illusion of "African socialism" has been junked in favour of more accountability and improving governance. > During the 70s, 80s and 90s average GDP growth in Africa lagged behind world average GDP growth; however in 2000-2007 average GDP growth in sub-saharan Africa has been almost 50% higher than world average GDP growth. > In 1990 47% of Africans lived in poverty, in 2004 41% did and on current trends this will reduce to 37% by 2015.

The first two developments go hand in hand with the next two.

Am I right to presume that you do not applaud the awarding of the Mo Ibrahim prize for good governance to Festus Mogae? Botswana is the new Africa; your vision of Africa is going to join colonial Africa in the history books."

Kazt, You are very right that I do not applaud the Mo Ibrahim prize for so-called good governance. To begin with you should know who Mo Ibrahim is, where he is coming from and where he is going. He is presented to us as a very successful businessman but no body really knows where he got the money from or rather how he managed to build his empire. Who is behind Ibrahim if I may ask? Are imperialists not pulling strings from behind the curtains?

What did Mogae do or not do to deserve that money? I can safely tell you what he did not do.

When all countries in Sub-Saharan Africa are against occupation by foreign forces, Festus chose to accommodate them. When all third world countries should desist from having their territories used for the destabilisation of other countries, Festus allows VOA News and SW Radio to broadcast from its soil. He was perfectly aware that the boasters would carry signals that are propagating hate language about Zimbabwe and its people but he did nothing to stop that.

During Mogae's term of office a fence was errected along the border with Zimbabwe in total and clear contravension of the spirit of good neighbourliness and the need to do away with borders that were created by colonialists in the first place. During Mogae's term of office a lot of Zimbabweans were beaten by Batswana chiefs and police officers and numerous human rights abuses were committed against my countryman for daring to cross into Botswana to escape hardships caused by Tsvangirai when he called for sanctions.

Botswana, therefore, is not the new Africa but the new vehicle to recolonise Africa. Just listen carefully to what they say and only then will you realise that they are the mountpiece and not the mouth itself.

Cde Ndebvu - does it matter who or what Mo Ibrahim is? Cecil John Rhodes is now widely and correctly reviled and yet Rhodes scholars are held in high esteem. Alfred Nobel invented a product that has killed millions yet there is no higher accolade than the Nobel prize.

'Are Imperialists not pulling strings behind the curtains?'- sounds like that 1970s dinosaur I was talking about. Do you also dismiss Kofi Annan as a western puppet when he announced the prize?

Surely driving millions of your own people to throw themselves on the generosity of South Africa, Botswana and other countries in the region is the worst example of not being a good neighbour? Botswana, with others, has provided a refuge for a very sorely oppressed people.

During the Nazi occupation of Europe,the Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe and the racist Rhodesian Front regime, free countries in the Region provided the base for radio stations that provided one of the few sources of comfort for the occupied. When the oppressors were thrown out, those oppressed people expressed their gratitude to their good neighbours.

Are you also choosing to forget that Botswana was the most exposed of the front line states with racist minority governments entirely surrounding it during the Second Chimurenga; and yet it still provided support to the cadres of Zipra?

I noticed that the citizens of Harare loudly welcomed Ian Khama when he attended the signing of the power-sharing agreement. They will welcome again him again when the will of the majority of Zimbabweans is once again respected.

Takunya, you are pathetic.The moderator of this medium should not be allowing your type of garbage to be published.What you wrote is utter rubbish.How can you state that Morgan is the one responsible for the deaths of Zimbabweans? YOU ARE NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SS_3conteh, Definitely Tsvangirai is the one and only cause of hunger, death, loss of jobs, and what have you. He is solely responsible for what has happened to Zimbabwe and Zimbabweans.

Being a retarded and foolish sellout stooge that he is Tsvangirai aka Boycott, unwittingly called for the imposition of sanctions, with his own mouth and not through someone else. Sanctions, unlike the American sanctions bill, are his full responsibility and no one should be blamed except him. As for the bill he gets part of the blame but the other part goes to Biti and Ncube who drafted it.

Even when he becomes PM, that is, if he ever occupy the postition, we will continue to point out the wrongs he has committeed until he owns up, until he repents and until the sell out demon in him is exorcised.

Already, ss_3conteh, you are showing signs of resigning. You want the moderator to help you to stifle the voices of reason. Go ahead and appeal to him/her you maybe heard!!!

What I deduce from you is that you are now convinced that you can no longer continue to defend the naked propaganda you are vomitting on this site.

Cde Ndebvu - I can see that you are passionate in your convictions about what is happening in Zimbabwe; and that is laudable. It is good that you are prepared to argue your point of view in the face of world wide condemnation of Robert Mugabe and zanu-pf.

I would however recommend that you moderate some of your statements if you would like to be taken more seriously. For instance you state that "Tsvangirai is the one and only cause of hunger, death, loss of jobs, and what have you. He is solely responsible for what has happened to Zimbabwe and Zimbabweans." yet you cannot possibly believe that this is true. Robert Mugabe himself described his last cabinet as 'the worst in history', The Herald is increasingly attacking the failure by government departments to deliver and there are calls by commentators who are aligned to zanu-pf for land to be taken from absentee landlords and be put to productive use.

You also suggest that sanctions have been imposed on Zimbabwe at the sole institgation of Morgan Tsvangirai. Leaving aside the question of what sanctions (since it is hotly debated to what extent sanctions exist); it is a simply not credible to think that the US and EU would have acted any differently in the light of developments that have occurred inside Zimababwe. Morgan Tsvangirai himself simply does not possess the influence or power to dictate to the Western powers in the way that you have implied.

Please ignore any comments from Takunya and Comical Mabhiza. Here are some facts (and you cant argue with facts!) why..

1) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza are paid by the ZANU PF to spread propaganda and lies, and to twist the truth in the ZANU PF's favor on the internet.

2) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza are one and the same person.

3) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza both have stated that Mugabe is the most democratic leader in Africa. Seriously!

4) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza both support the use of violence, murder, rape and torture by Mugabe against the people of Zimbabwe.

5) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza both believe that Bush is responsible for atrocities in Iraq, and this justifies Mugabe's atrocities in Zimbabwe, including the genocide of 20,000 Ndebele people and the murders of over 100 MDC supporters during this years elections.

6) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza should be ignored because none of their posts are truthful and they are always misleading.

7) If you say anything against Mugabe, Takunya and Comical Mabhiza may say that you are paid by the CIA and MI5 to write here.

8) I do not work for the CIA

9) The CIA does not pay me. If they do, please give them my bank account details, all cards accepted. :-)

10) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza will also resort to childish name calling when they have no factual evidence based argument.

11) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza both believe that Tsvangirai called for sanctions against the people of Mugabe.

12) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza should be ignored because non of their posts are truthful and they are always misleading.

13) Tsvangirai never called for sanctions against the people of Zimbabwe.

14) When confronted and asked for evidence of this, Takunya and Comical Mabhiza have none.

15) The Sanctions faced by Zimbabwe are not against the people of Zimbabwe.

16) The Sanctions faced by Zimbabwe are only against the government and its ministers, and 4 companies, including one that makes military uniforms.

17) None of these Sanctions are faced by the people of Zimbabwe.

18) Tsvangirai is not responsible for these sanctions.

19) If Tsvangirai did not exist, there would still be sanctions on Zimbabwe (as described above).

20) Therefore Tsvangirai is 100% independent of Zimbabwe being sanctioned as above.

21) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza should be ignored because non of their posts are truthful and they are always misleading.

22) Biti and Ncube, and Tsvangirai had no input into the drafting of the American sanctions bill.

23) The west does not want to recolonise Zimbabwe.

24) The west does not want to invade Zimbabwe.

25) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza should be ignored because non of their posts are truthful and they are always misleading.

26) The west does not want to poison aid and kill Zimbabweans.

27) Tsvangirai has never denied aid to the Zimbabwean people, only Mugabe has done this.

28) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza should be ignored because non of their posts are truthful and they are always misleading.

So just ignore Takunya and Comical Mabhiza, and let these facts speak for themselves.

Thank you for your time.

Awt_independent, Most of what you said is recycled barbage, hence I do not need to respond. People already know who you are and who you work for. Privately they have told you that this is an unwinnable war and you know it.

However, what I want to state categorically is that I do not believe that Tsvangi called for sanctions, I know that he did. Ask for the video clip from SABC Africa and in particular ask Daniel Makokera who was interviewing him on the programme "AMBASSADORS". He said it loud and clear without any hestitation of the consequences. But now because he is retarded and idiotic, the chickens are coming home to roost.

I also want to remind you that you did not tell your readers that the other points from No. 13 onwards are not what I believe but are your twisted barbage that you have always vommitted. I am not surprised though, you are just a foolish propagandist doing the bidding for CIA and MI5, and you knnow that very well.

You should always distiguish between what you think we believe and what you believe yourself so that your readers can make a better judgement of you, MDC and your masters.

You seem to speak with authority that the west do not want to recolonise Zimbabwe, are you operating from their corridors? So my suspicion has just been confirmed. I am sure everybody can see through this hired CIA operative. Ignore him, he is out to destabilise the region.

Blair, while still Prime Minister said it openly that he wanted to invade Zimbabwe and claim back the land that was held by whites, but you continue to deny something that is so open and clear. He only failed because Mozambique refused them a base to operate from under the guise of wanting to receive whites running away from Zimbabwe.

The late Mwanawasa, though he was their point man, told the media that he was under severe and tremendous pressure but would never yield to British demands - bomb Zimbabwe. Kikwete of Tanzania told Bush that they were in agreement on every other issue about Zimbabwe except the strategy of bombing the country.

Elsewhere on this forum you were told by someone who was a member of SABA and was present when Tsvangirai advocated for the imposition of sanctions while attending a meeting of the Southern African Business Association (SABA).

So I am sure the whole readership of AllAfrica.com can see who is who on this blog. Prem, Awt_independent, Kambuzi, Kjrs120, Kjrrs62004 to mention just a few are the CIA hunting dogs and are doing exactly what they have been instructed - destabilise Zimbabwe and make it ungovernable for eventual American and British takeover just like in Iraq and Afghanstan.

But be reminded that that is why we are here to defend the mother land (our heritage) and make sure it does not fall back into the hands of the imperialists, NEVER EVER.

Takunya, you talk nonsense. First you say that Tsvangirai called for sanctions against the zimbwbean people on BBC HardTalk in 2000, and then I point out that Tsvangirai never even appeared on BBC HardTalk in 2000. So a blatant lie. And now you expect me to believe that it was on Ambassadors, where I cant find any evidence that he even appeared this show? More lies no doubt. You tell one lie, get found out for it, then everything else you say is questionable.

You should also note there is a difference between calling for sanctions against a government and sanctions against the people of Zimbabwe.

But thanks for your post, you've just given me more facts to post next time. Its my pleasure.

Hail sanctions for meningful change in Zimbabwe!

ANC also supported sanctions to get rid of the apartheid system. We support selected sanctions to get rid of monstrous Mugabe! There were no sanctions during the first 20 yrs of Mugabe rule, yet year by year Zimbabwe was going backward due to Mugabe's mismanagement of the economy and his denying citizens their right to freedom of expression by the imposition of one-party rule.

Anyway, talking about sanctions against Zimbabwe is a blatant misrepresentation by Mugabe cronies. there are only targeted sanctions. Just to mention a few, Grace is not allowed to travel to England to shop at Harrods; Mugabe and some dozens of his thugs are not allowed to travel in to EU countries; their bank accounts are frozen; their kith and kin are denied admission in EU educational institutions; the IMF and WB will not bail out Zimbabwe until such time that there is genuine efforts towards democracy in the country, etc.

You talk shamelessly about your motherland! How is that? You are raping your motherland repeatedly each time you refuse to denounce murders committed by thugs in collusion with monster Mugabe! You are not fit even to be buried in your motherland, just like dictator Mobutu!

SS_3conteh, Definitely Tsvangirai is the one and only cause of hunger, death, loss of jobs, and what have you. He is solely responsible for what has happened to Zimbabwe and Zimbabweans.

Being a retarded and foolish sellout stooge that he is Tsvangirai aka Boycott, unwittingly called for the imposition of sanctions, with his own mouth and not through someone else. Sanctions, unlike the American sanctions bill, are his full responsibility and no one should be blamed except him. As for the bill he gets part of the blame but the other part goes to Biti and Ncube who drafted it.

Even when he becomes PM, that is, if he ever occupy the postition, we will continue to point out the wrongs he has committeed until he owns up, until he repents and until the sell out demon in him is exorcised.

Already, ss_3conteh, you are showing signs of resigning. You want the moderator to help you to stifle the voices of reason. Go ahead and appeal to him/her you maybe heard!!!

What I deduce from you is that you are now convinced that you can no longer continue to defend the naked propaganda you are vomitting on this site.

Please ignore any comments from Takunya and Comical Mabhiza. Here are some facts (and you cant argue with facts!) why..

1) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza are paid by the ZANU PF to spread propaganda and lies, and to twist the truth in the ZANU PF's favor on the internet.

2) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza are one and the same person.

3) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza both have stated that Mugabe is the most democratic leader in Africa. Seriously!

4) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza both support the use of violence, murder, rape and torture by Mugabe against the people of Zimbabwe.

5) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza both believe that Bush is responsible for atrocities in Iraq, and this justifies Mugabe's atrocities in Zimbabwe, including the genocide of 20,000 Ndebele people and the murders of over 100 MDC supporters during this years elections.

6) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza should be ignored because none of their posts are truthful and they are always misleading.

7) If you say anything against Mugabe, Takunya and Comical Mabhiza may say that you are paid by the CIA and MI5 to write here.

8) I do not work for the CIA

9) The CIA does not pay me. If they do, please give them my bank account details, all cards accepted. :-)

10) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza will also resort to childish name calling when they have no factual evidence based argument.

11) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza both believe that Tsvangirai called for sanctions against the people of Mugabe.

12) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza should be ignored because non of their posts are truthful and they are always misleading.

13) Tsvangirai never called for sanctions against the people of Zimbabwe.

14) When confronted and asked for evidence of this, Takunya and Comical Mabhiza have none.

15) The Sanctions faced by Zimbabwe are not against the people of Zimbabwe.

16) The Sanctions faced by Zimbabwe are only against the government and its ministers, and 4 companies, including one that makes military uniforms.

17) None of these Sanctions are faced by the people of Zimbabwe.

18) Tsvangirai is not responsible for these sanctions.

19) If Tsvangirai did not exist, there would still be sanctions on Zimbabwe (as described above).

20) Therefore Tsvangirai is 100% independent of Zimbabwe being sanctioned as above.

21) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza should be ignored because non of their posts are truthful and they are always misleading.

22) Biti and Ncube, and Tsvangirai had no input into the drafting of the American sanctions bill.

23) The west does not want to recolonise Zimbabwe.

24) The west does not want to invade Zimbabwe.

25) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza should be ignored because non of their posts are truthful and they are always misleading.

26) The west does not want to poison aid and kill Zimbabweans.

27) Tsvangirai has never denied aid to the Zimbabwean people, only Mugabe has done this.

28) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza should be ignored because non of their posts are truthful and they are always misleading.

29) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza believe that Zimbabwe only has partial independence and that the fight against colonialism still goes on.

30) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza believe that Tsvangirai called for sanctions whilst being interviewed on BBC HardTalk in 2000.

31) Tsvangirai never appeared on BBC HardTalk in 2000. More lies.

32) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza believe that the British want to bomb Zimbabwe.

33) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza believe that west want to destabilise Zimbabwe and "make it ungovernable for eventual American and British takeover just like in Iraq and Afghanstan."

So just ignore Takunya and Comical Mabhiza, and let these facts speak for themselves.

Thank you for your time.

Takunya, Mr Mugabe is the most democratic leader in Africa. I see you have changed posting from Comical Maybeza.

Tsvangirai never called for sanctions against the people of Zimbabwe, you and I both know this, so why keep posting lies. If you are trying to take the focus of Mugabe's Genocide of 20,000 Ndebele people its not working.

The current sanctions on the government of Zimbabwe would be in place if Tsvangigrai wasnt around, so he cant be blamed. They are independent of each other.

As for Tsvangi refusing to attend the meeting of SADC leaders, what nonsense, everyone knows that it was becasue the childish government of Zimbabwe wouldnt give him a passport due to a lack of paper caused by sanctions. What a joke, paper isnt even on the sanctions list.

So all that Mugabe has achieved is a delay in the meeting, 7 more days in the slow and painful suffering of the people of Zimbabwe.

How much is Mugabe paying you to write here? No one in their right mind would make the comments you make, would distort the facts the way you do, unless they had an incentive...

Ignore Takunya, he's paid by ZANU-PF to write nonsense.

Mindpower, Ignore me at your own perile. I and the other patriotic Zimbabweans contributing on this site are the only credible voices of reason.

Haha haha haha haha thats hiliarious! Stop it! its hurting! hahah ha haha I think my sides are about to split!

Should read, Mindpower ignore me as I am purile. I am lacking in the meaning of your name. I am not the only Zimbabwean cretin contributing to this site, but contrary to me there are some voices of reason.

Hey you takunya, who killed those thousands of Zimbabweans in Matabeland in the 1980s "at a moment of madness?" Let me see if you are capable of telling the truth. Just one name. If you cannot truthfully answer this, then you really ARE a louse with more titles to follow. Your repeated brain-washed useless tales about Mr Tsvangirai are just boring stupid rubbish. Give it up already because everyone knows you are lying.