The Nation (Nairobi)
24 October 2008
Zimbabwe's parliament has been forced to adjourn until November 11, after running out of money to sustain its operations as delays in setting up an inclusive government continues to paralyse national institutions.
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Prem, "Mugabe will not satnd even 24 hrs should SA close the tap!". Birds of a feather fly together. Tsvangirai foolishly vomitted the same statement on both SABC and BBC as he campaigned for sanctions. The question that begs an answer from you all; Prem, Mancam_28, Buddhamate, Kjrs120, Makasa, Juhlman, Rmkooisra, Katz and many others who deny that MDC called for sanctions against the people of Zimbabwe is, When the tap is closed does it only affect President Mugabe and the 170 individuals in Govt?
We have been telling you all along that Tsvangirai called for sanctions and that him and no one else is the cause of all the suffering that Zimbabweans are going through. In a moment of madness you say something that you will not be able to defend. You are cruel and hearless. None of you has criticised Prem for calling on Motlanthe to impose sanctions on the people of Zimbabwe. You are all accomplices in the commission of this barbaric act and should collective be held responsible for the suffering of the Zimbabwean people.
President Mugabe is building and you follow behind and destroy. What kind of hearless people are you? But then we should not be surprised because being appendages of America and Britain that you all are, you believe in the doctrine of "shock and awe" - destroy and kill everything in your path and then pretend to be the saviour. You should however, know that it is easy to destroy but very difficult to build. You should also know that America is only using you to achieve its ends and when the game is over they will dump you.
Today you are again calling upon Motlanthe to impose sanctions on the Zimbabwean people but when we remind you of such idiotic statements you deny. Tsvangirai, the MDC and all of you who have supported sanctions against the people of Zimbabwe should be held accountable for all the atrocities you are committing.
The potholes, the health delivery system that has gone down, the infrastructure that has been destroyed, the education system that is not working, the hunger, the death and all is as a result of Boycott and all those in MDC who supported and continue to support the suffering of the Zimbabwean people. NO ONE ELSE SHOULD BE BLAMED EXCEPT YOU!!
Aaaaaw! Takunya, Mr "Mugabe is the most democratic leader in africa..." Getting a little testy? Having to shout? Aaaaw poor thing.
I'm just disappointed I didnt make your list! Have I said something wrong? haha.
Good to see that you finally admit that the sanctions are only against the 4 companies and 170 members of the ZANU PF. I knew you would come around eventually.
So I'm glad we finally have it out in the open. There are no sanctions on the people of Zimbabwe. Good on you. Gold star coming your way mate :-)
Tsvangirai has never, not once, called for sanctions against the people of Zimbabwe. Maybe against the government, but never against the people. You have continually stated the opposite, but never provided evidence. You say he did this on BBC HardTalk in 2000. He never appeared on BBC HardTalk in 2000. So please tell us what sanctions there are against the people of Zimbabwe. Surely there must be a document somewhere that lists this. But you cant can you? You have no evidence of this, so why do you keep posting these lies?
Wait.. I got it! All your money is stuck, frozen in overseas accounts isnt it! Thats it! You're running out of cash and want some of your money. Poor thing. Send me your address and I'll send you a care package. haha.
Ever stop to think that if Mugabe simply had free and fair elections, and respected the result, and thus the will of the people, there would be a need for any of these sanctions? Pretty simple really.
Cde Ndebvu - let me answer your question for you. When the tap is closed it will affect all Zimbabweans. No argument about that. However what you fail to recognise is that the overwhelming majority of Zimbabweans are already so impoverished by Robert Mugabe's mad lust for power that the affect on these people will be minimal. The people who will be affected will be the kleptocracy that has grown rich on the corruption and stench of zanu-pf mismanagement. And when they suffer, then Mugabe had best watch out.
You are naive and one-eyed in the extreme to believe that (a) Morgan Tsvangirai could influence the Western powers to impose or not impose sanctions, (b) that the sanctions that have been applied in the form of withdrawal of balance of payments support are real sanctions (Rhodesia had real sanctions) and (c) that Zimbabwe's problems are not home grown.If you can analyse those issues and start to recognise the error in your thinking you will then be on the road to a brighter and happier future.
PS: Your soul mate Icho believes that Zimbabwe has the best infrastructure in sub-Saharan Africa. Perhaps you should let him know about the error of his ways whilst you are contemplating your own errors.
So-called Prem, you may need to reorganise your thinking, you really do not know who is causing all this suffering, it is Duche renyu iri Tsvangison, who mobilised the western world to put sanctions on Zimbabwe and not South African blacks or its leadership. Yes Mbeki & Mugabe are revolutionaries, they shared the same trenches during their respective liberation wars. And for them to have won their wars it was because they stood for the truth, true liberation of the blackman from the whiteman"s bondage. Zimbabwe is liberated, Tsvangirai comes in puting on the dislodged whiteman"s agenda of recolonising the Zimbabwe. Why did he not do his polotics like other parties that were contesting elections right from 1980. You say Mugabe ruined Zimbabwe, why is it that we have the best infrastructure and best human resource base in the whole of Sub Saharan Africa. Was that not achieved after independence in 1980 and was it not thru Mugabe"s leadership.My dear you are very much handcapped in the mind, you were brainwashed by the whiteman, you do not beleive in the achievements of a fellow blackman, very sorry indeed fellow idiotic Zimbabwean. People have suffered becoz of Tsvangirai"s marriage with the Americans & the British.Its unfortunate that chituta and he doesn"t know that he will never be able to control them. If ever he tries to move away from them, they kill him like they did to Saddam & what they want to do to Bin Laden - all are former American friends who at some some point were used to acheive American intersts. Sorry Tsvangirai
Icho - you say "why is it that we have the best infrastructure and best human resource base in the whole of Sub Saharan Africa. Was that not achieved after independence in 1980 and was it not thru Mugabe"s leadership" . Even the proverbial blind freddy could see that you have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about. Continual power blackout, untreated water, pot holed roads, trains not running, collapsed health system and non-functioning schools all add up a catastrophically poor infrastructure and a mass of poorly trained and malnourished people whilst the skilled population has fled to find a better future elsewhere.
The ONLY thing that you got right was yes that situation was achieved after independence in 1980 and yes it was through Mugabe's leadership.
Nelson Mandela and archbisschop Tutu called Mugabe "a tragic failure of leadership". These guys opinion tells enough about the situation in Zimbabwe. Or did they become CIA and MI5 agents too icho? So before you call Prem all kinds of things I tell you something. Blaming Morgan and the west for all the problems the country is having is nothing else than living in complete denial. Living in denial is a disease. Due to the glorious policy of the fistwaver "Hitler tenfold" it might be difficult for you to find a cure since healthcare does almost not exist anymore in Zimbabwe. So you are sort of caught in your own trap. And because you do not seem to notice it yourself you've got it all spelled out for you now. You are lonely but not alone with your disease. Don't worry , after only one night of sleep you will find your denialopinions once again in the mondayedition of the Herald, your ZANUboss. That is if they have enough paper offcourse. Do Nelson Mandela and Tutu have any subscription to the Herald?
Icho - who that is white would want to "re-colonize" Zimbabwe? Why would investors risk their money there when there are better opportunities for a return on investment almost anywhere else in the world?
Revolutionaries have their purposes perhaps, but SA has seen fit to give Mbeki a red card and the people of Zimbabwe are trying to give Mugabe his - he just won't show up to accept it. The time for revolutionaries who have no common sense other than continue to be "revolutionary" has passed, it is time (for too many - too late) for the so-called "revolutionaries" to actually govern and provide for their people something more than empty revolutionary slogans! The liberation was almost 30 years ago! What has ZANU-PF/Mugabe done since then to improve the situation in Zimbabwe?
Again, the "sanctions" against Zimbabwe are targeted against individuals allied or otherwise entangled with ZANU-PF/Mugabe. Please review the U.S. Dept. of the Treasury's press release regarding sanctions.
However, if ZANU-PF and Zimbabwe are so "totally empowered" as Comrade Bob told us during the June Elections, then why are "sanctions" against less than 200 people dragging the entire economy of Zimbabwe down? It would suggest to me, that too much economic power in Zimbabwe is concentrated in the hands of ZANU-PF/Mugabe. For such "sanctions" to have any impact, this MUST be true!
The question that begs asking is why do only 200 people (who coincidentally happen to have ZANU-PF ties) in Zimbabwe control the entire economy of Zimbabwe?
It is time for a revolution of competent governance in Zimbabwe and that revolution will not occur until the people kick Comrade Bob and his ZANU-PF sycophants to the curb!
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Why are all the African leaders so 'afraid' to face Mugabe right on and stand firm against him to alleviate the dismal situation of the Zimbabwean people? It is incredible how the so called powerful leaders who we are told are the only anointed ones to solve Africa's problems are nothing but mice afraid of one miserable old cat. Obviously all these African leaders have also in some way or another, abused their powers in their own countries, not only towards their people, but to the coffers of their respective countries of which Mugabe is aware of, and are thus afraid he will spill the beans if they condemn him. The first example was the 'no crisis" by Mbeki at the height of Mugabe's raging madness, making it very obvious to those who are not brain-washed, that there is more to Mugabe and Mbeki than meets the eye. So Africa, if only your African leaders are to solve your problems, look deeply into your leaders and choose those who have had no hand in your destruction and that of your people. Unfortunately you have just lost one hell of your leader Mr Mwanawasa.
Good on you Icho, you drag out the good ol' war buudy stories.Get your head around the fact that these guys never had a plan to build anything of any value . Your arrogant,racist denials of the West are brought about because of the fact that people like you Mugga and Mbeke-who,all lack the courage and temerity to fight the real war .You know the one, where they fulfill the the promises they made to the people of Zimbabwe or was that just bullsh.t like Mugga signing a powersharing deal.Thugs and vandals break things, Heroes build them.Maybe you should look to builing bridges instead of blowing them up.
Icho! I think the hamster in your head is senile.
Either you know that there is absolutely no fact in what you say, or you are purposely talking crap.
There is a great uprising coming in Zimbabwe, and good Africans will take their country back from Mugabe and from dumbass cronies such as yourself, who have used Zimbabwe's treasury as their personal bank accounts.
The party is over, and soon it will be time to pay the piper.
Somewhere along the line, great men who could have done so many wonderful things for Zimbabwe after the war, were neutralized, and incompetent morons such as Mugabe and yourself were given the reigns to the breadbasket of Zimbabwe, when in fact you were only qualified to clean toliets.
It's time for you to get good physchiatric help, and see if your delusions of grandeur are an overcompensation for a small penis, or just because you are truly insane.
South African President Kgalema Motlanthe is only where he is because he is just filling a void.He has no muscle. It is Zuma who calls the tune.
SA is the vile culprit in the Zim saga. SA is at the root of all the sufferings Zimbos are experiencing just because SA has always defended and protected monster Mugabe.
Will Zuma be able to change the thinking of the SA establishment? Billions of Rands are in play!
Is it not time now for SA authorities to insure their future by gambling on Tsvangirai rather than clinging to Mugabe and thugs?
It looks like the same game Americans have played over decades just to protect their rearside by backing dictators for their narrow national interest.
Mugabe will not satnd even 24 hrs should SA close the tap!
Will civil society activists in both countries rise above politics and tackle monster Mugabe once for all?