It does not surprise me to have such a statement from Rhodesian Front now (MDC)"s Eddie Cross. Eddie is just an Ian Smith remnant who cannot for obvious reasons not forgive anything that is Zanu PF.They are the ones who called for sanctions, so why are they pretending to sympathise with the people"s plight when what they wanted is now happening ie suffering of the ordinary man. Cross himself, Tsvangirai and others in the hierachy of the British backed MDC are not suffering because they are always in South Africa from where they buy whatever they want, besides those groceries given to him by the white community. Cross, you were a member of the Rhodesian security forces and you think we do not know what you did and where. I heard Tsvangirai and Mutambara"s intermideary what quizzed in Swaziland by a South African who is close to the talks, why they are just too thick headed. The South African pointed out to Maphosa they do so because they are enjoying South African tax payer"s money on these endless conferences they just call for but not producing any positive results. Anyway its now a known fact that USA and Britain told Tsvangirai not to agree to anything, so is just playing around with SADC leadershing, what a fool.

Icho...why do you continue to lie ?

THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NO SANCTIONS ON THE ORDINARY MAN IN ZIMBABWE. THERE ARE TARGETTED SANCTIONS AGAINST YOUR OPRESSIVE MASTERS, AND THE PEOPLE THAT CHOOSE TO DO BUSINESS WITH THEM.

The ordinary man is suffering because of the corruption and incompetence of Mugabe and ZANUPF.

You are living in the past man, and perpetuating a lie that nobody (including you) believes.

Rhodesia is gone man....28 years ago. Ordinary Zimbabweans are not stupid, and do not blame the west or the white man. They do not buy into your propaganda. They are eating berries, while you are getting fat on sadza and nyama.

You don't really believe that you will be able to exploit Zimababweans forever do you ?

Mancam_28, Icho is not lying, it is you who is in denial. Elsewhere on this forum your friend says that he has watched the YouTube interview (not interviews) and from just that one interview he says Tsvangirai did not call for sanctions. But everybody saw the idiot live on TV arguing South Africa and the whole world to cut electricity supplies to Zimbabwe, cut trade and transport links with the country.

Now here you are telling us that corruption has caused the suffering of the Zimbabwean people when in actual fact you should be saying that the sanction you called for are biting the ordinary man. Sanctions and sanctions alone are the primary cause of all the suffering in Zimbabwe today and these were called for by Tsvangirai and MDC.

If only you knew that history moulds the present and the present build the future you would not accuse ICHO of "living in the past". You can never do anything without reference to history. When the Jews talk of the holocust they are taping into the past and with this they are able to avoid what they went through. When the Americans talk about the "Great American dream" they are simply talking about their history (where they are coming from), where they are and where they are going. We in Zimbabwe are very conscious of our past and have to learn from that inorder to built a Zimbabwe that will never allow itself to be subjected to slavery again - in whatever form.

Rhodesia, in name, may have gone some 28 years ago but Rhodesia's grip on the country is still with us today. No wonder why we talk about total independence and 100% empowerment. All our resources are in the hands of absentee land lords who are sitting pretty somewhere in London, America, Australia while we suffer and they have the audicity to impose sanctions on us just because we dare take what rightfully belongs to us.

The west is totally to blame for our predicament because they have dissurded their companies from producing for the people of Zimbabwe simply to make them turn against the govt. The west is totally to blame for our suffering because they have threatened countries which wanted to trade with us not to do so. The west can never be exonerated from the suffering of Zimbabweans because both Blair and Brown have said it openly that they are going to make Zimbabweans suffer.

The American ZDERA is in place today to make people suffer and it says clearly that only when we give land back to whites will the sanctions be removed. Just recently McGee was celebrating (with Tsvangirai as they were swinging) the suffering of ordinary Zimbabweans.

The AU, SADC, and all other progressive organisations have called for the removal of the illegal sanctions and hence it is these sanctions that have caused the suffering of the Zimbabwean people.

takunya_ndebvu, you telling the same lies as Icho does not make them true.

I have read your entire post above, and it is filled with lies.

The question is, do you actually believe them ? probably not.

I've seen the pictures of Mugabe's palace that he and his disgusting wife live in.

If you're looking for the source of Zimbabwe's suffering, look no further than that.

The treasury has been raided, and Mugabe is living high, while the people starve.

Land reform should have been properly and honestly organised. Training programs on how to farm, and small pieces of farmland given to the people of Zimbabwe, so that they could farm, and be able to feed the country.

Instead Tsotsi butchers with a taste for blood, were used as pawns to murder, rape and steal. They called themselves war veterans, but they were just lowlife criminals. And who got the farms ? Fat stupid corrupt cronies of Mugabe, who had no intention of farming. Now with no one farming, the country starves.

You always blame the white man and the west, but we all know the truth.

I recognize that you and Icho work for Mugabe, and therefore you can not speak the truth and gain credibility.

We all know the truth, and you should be ashamed of what you do for a living.

Just remember, there will be consequences for your actions.

How is wanting half the key ministries, as decided in the GNU agreement, messing around with the SADC leadership? Surely allocating all of them to yourself, as Mugabe did, is really messing around. The facts speak for themselves.

Here is the latest - ZANU-PF/Mugabe is apparrently not only stealing from Zimbabwe, but also from NGO's providing food aid to starving Zimbabweans!

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/03/africa/zim.php

takunya, what you are saying is that Mr Tsvangirai has so much power that he claps his hand and South Africa turns off electricity to Zimbabwe, claps his hands and all world leaders do as he says including according to you, telling them to put sanctions on Zimbabwe. What power!