Mabasa Sasa - it wont surprise anyone if you are of 170 people -> The "smart sanctions" target about 170 of the country's ruling elite, including Mugabe and his second wife, Grace, and include a travel ban and the freezing of foreign assets.

Gt, It should not surprise anyone for Mabasa Sasa to be singled out and appear on the European/American sanctions list. The whole of Zimbabwe appears on that list and anyone who does not is simply a sellout. PERIOD. Infact all patriotic Zimbabweans should wish and strive to be on the list as this will show the whole world that we are a courageous and resilient people who brook no nonsense and interference from imperialists. Noone should fear inclusion as we are, afterall, suffering and dying under the sanctions that Tsvangirai called for.

The only people who should not be there but are there through geography are Tsvangirai and all those in the MDC who are providing the names for the list. Mutambara tried to disentangle himself from the imperialist web but was threatened with the withdrawal of his "Green Card" and now he is singing from the same hym book as Tsvangirai.

When he arrived in Swaziland for the Troika meeting that was boycotted by Tsvangirai, Mutambara, instead of condemning his fellow faction leader for boycotting, stunned journalists by declaring that nothing will move without Tsvangirai. This was contrary to what he had said at the Heroe's acre and what he had always said about Tsvangirai - that he listens too much to their handlers, hence has no mind of his own.

Therefore, if a sellout like Mutambara could be threatened with sanctions, why not a patriotic and revolutionary Zimbabwean like Mabasa Sasa, Takunya, Mabhiza, Wafawanaka, Shire and many others. That should not scare us a signle bit, but should infact give us more vigour and vitality to continue fighting to defend our country, our independence and the revolution, and expose Tsvangirai and his cohorts for what they are - traitors and sellouts.

Tukunya ndebvu can you define the meaning of sell-out? Because I believe sell-out was used in the 50s through to the 70s. And with the current Zimbabwean Government it was legitimate until some ten years ago when it started to force itself and impose itself on people. Such words began to surface and the issue of sanction was used as an excuse of failure. Anyone opposing Mugabe was labelled as a sell-out indeed that is a cheap word which any reasonable person will tell you that is a propaganda word used by failures. Sanctions are well known among us as Zimbabweans relating to excuses of failure as world. Zimbabwe can be competitive anytime if we desist to be selfish and use hate filled rhetoric. Such rhetoric becomes meaningless to the suffering masses of Zimbabwe. If you are on travel ban and you believe its right why clamour about them being illegal, anyway why do you want to visit those countries? Why do you need the Pound and US Dollar?

Gt, Who do you want to define the word sellout for you when a dictionary is right in front of you? Just look it up and immediately Tsvangirai will come to mind. Tsvangirai's selling out did not start when he became the leader of MDC. He betrayed the struggle in 1978 when he teamed up with the Rhodesia Special Branch and this resulted in the death of uncountable number of freedom fighters.

As if that was not enough, he sided with imperialists and employers at the expense of workers when he was ZCTU Secretary General. It was Tsvangirai who campaigned for the govt to stop announcing minimum wages on May Day and this was calculated to protect employers who did not want to pay the said wages. It was when Tsvangirai was at ZCTU that he vigorously opposed land reform claiming that it will hurt his "Cousin" meaning absentee land lords in UK, USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand etc.

In his effort to thwart the move by Zimbabweans to get back their land, stolen in 1890, Tsvangirai accepted filthy lucre from the WestMinster Foundation and formed the MDC. Against the provisions of the Political Finance Act, Tsvangirai received money for the MDC through Amani Trust and other non governmental organisations. He continues to recieve same through NGOs still operating in Zimbabwe and which are staffed or embedded with CIA and MI5 operatives.

As if that was not enough Tsvangirai personally campaigned for a "NO" vote in the constitutional referendum simply because there was a section in the proposed constitution that would have allowed us to acquire our stolen land from the thieving British without compensating them for the land itself but for improvements made to the land like roads, farm houses, dams etc. No other section was in dispute except this one and to Tsvangirai it was going to hurt his ""cousins" so he vigorously opposed it. He went even further to demonise the principles of the revolution and the whole essence upon which the struggle was fought.

He travelled from capital to capital campaigning for sanctions against Zimbabwe and its people always hiding behind non existent human rights abuses and the rule of law. He has taken it upon himself that Zimbabweans should suffer under hardships brought about by sanctions until he gets to State House.

He has threatened to remove President Mugabe violently, a project that had successfully been undertaken by the CIA and MI5 in countries like Yugoslavia, Ukhraine, Iraq, Afghanstan and other places around the world. He hired Ari Ben Manashe to assassinate the President and only failed to achieve this end because Ari Ben decided against carrying out the mission at the last minute.

Today, he again betrays the people by swinging with McGee while people are suffering from the sanctions he called for. He refused to travel to Swaziland where the dispute in Zimbabwe could have been settled but opted instead to perpetuate the people's suffering. He refuses to go along with SADC's ruling to form the inclusive govt immediately simply because his handlers - McGee in particular - tells him not to.

He has connived with Khama, the USA and UK to create a militia to achieve, fraudulently and through the barrel of the gun, what he failed to achieve through the ballot box. ALL this is in order to protect the interests of his imperialist "cousins".

Therefore when we say that Tsvangirai is a sellout, we are not spreading propaganda neither are we trying to dividing the people but telling it like it is. If any thing we are uniting Zimbabweans by telling what they are up against in the person of Tsvangirai. Tsvangirai will be the last person to deny what we are saying because he knows that he has done it and he is still doing it.

Tukunya Making allegations like you are doing is a clear example of Human rights abuse, denying children education and food is also human rights abuse we can go on and on about Zanu PF government. You will agree with me of their failures. Anyway that referendum was rejected because Zanu PF wanted to perpetuate its evil ways. By popular vote ZANU PF will never win in Zimbabwe ndopika naChirumhazu!! Ok Tuku

Lets see.

Lie number 1:He betrayed the struggle in 1978 when he teamed up with the Rhodesia Special Branch and this resulted in the death of uncountable number of freedom fighters.

Lie number 2: he sided with imperialists and employers at the expense of workers when he was ZCTU Secretary General.

Lie number 3: It was Tsvangirai who campaigned for the govt to stop announcing minimum wages on May Day and this was calculated to protect employers who did not want to pay the said wages.

Lie number 4: It was when Tsvangirai was at ZCTU that he vigorously opposed land reform claiming that it will hurt his "Cousin" meaning absentee land lords in UK, USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand etc.

Lie number 5: In his effort to thwart the move by Zimbabweans to get back their land, stolen in 1890, Tsvangirai accepted filthy lucre from the WestMinster Foundation and formed the MDC.

Lie number 6: Against the provisions of the Political Finance Act, Tsvangirai received money for the MDC through Amani Trust and other non governmental organisations.

Lie number 7: He continues to recieve same through NGOs still operating in Zimbabwe and which are staffed or embedded with CIA and MI5 operatives.

Lie number 8: Tsvangirai personally campaigned for a "NO" vote in the constitutional referendum simply because there was a section in the proposed constitution that would have allowed us to acquire our stolen land from the thieving British without compensating them for the land itself but for improvements made to the land like roads, farm houses, dams etc.

Lie number 9: He travelled from capital to capital campaigning for sanctions against Zimbabwe and its people

Lie number 10: always hiding behind non existent human rights abuses and the rule of law.

Lie number 11: He has taken it upon himself that Zimbabweans should suffer under hardships brought about by sanctions until he gets to State House.

Lie number 12: He has threatened to remove President Mugabe violently,

Lie number 13: a project that had successfully been undertaken by the CIA and MI5 in countries like Yugoslavia, Ukhraine, Iraq, Afghanstan and other places around the world.

Lie number 14: He hired Ari Ben Manashe to assassinate the President and only failed to achieve this end because Ari Ben decided against carrying out the mission at the last minute.

Lie number 15: he again betrays the people by swinging with McGee

Lie number 16: while people are suffering from the sanctions he called for.

Lie number 17: He refused to travel to Swaziland where the dispute in Zimbabwe could have been settled but opted instead to perpetuate the people's suffering.

Lie number 18: He refuses to go along with SADC's ruling to form the inclusive govt immediately simply because his handlers - McGee in particular - tells him not to.

Lie number 19: He has connived with Khama, the USA and UK to create a militia to achieve, fraudulently and through the barrel of the gun, what he failed to achieve through the ballot box.

Lie number 20: Therefore when we say that Tsvangirai is a sellout, we are not spreading propaganda n

Lie number 21: either are we trying to dividing the people but telling it like it is.

Lie number 22:If any thing we are uniting Zimbabweans by telling what they are up against in the person of Tsvangirai.

Lie number 23L Tsvangirai will be the last person to deny what we are saying because he knows that he has done it and he is still doing it.

Takunya, thats 23 this time! I think thats your record. Keep up the good work showing what ZANU PF fools we are dealing with here. Love you xx

Awt_independent, You have not helped matters by breaking my post into itemised facts, if anything you have made it much better and easier for people to understsand what I am talking about. I thought you were then going to crash each point in turn.

Why don't you crash them one-be-one so that everybody can see whether I am lying or not. For instance tell the whole world where Tsvangirai was and what he was doing between 1977 and 1980, and why he happened to be at that place and not somewhere else. Tell me whether Tsvangirai is or is not complying with the SADC ruling, and why.

Blah blah blah. Everyone knows you're a fool. How does it feel?

It seems to be the favourite Zanu tactic to accuse others for their own sins.

"...to achieve, fraudulently and through the barrel of the gun, what he failed to achieve through the ballot box."

Isn't this what the JOC did after they lost the election in March? For that matter, I have never heard of the March election results being published. Can anyone direct me to a link? I would love to see a comparison to the photos of the actual posted results at the polling stations. My understanding is that only a final number was release so that a proper audit could not be done. I hope the current treason charges for publishing the results can be used to reveal the true results.

Also, I have never heard of any sanctions against the people of Zimbabwe. Please elaborate on them. I know of personal sanctions against a gang of criminals ruling through violence and financial sanctions against a deadbeat country that refuses to pay it's bills but I don't know of any others.

Here in Canada it's hard to grasp the realities over there. I have no scale to measure the evil of people that would let women and children die horrible deaths just to line their own pockets.

Also, a rising cholera epidemic cannot be a state secret unless it's a deliberate plan. Of course, the incompetents in charge could never admit their failures and get the help their people need.

Here in Canada, if some incompetent civil servants let some tainted water kill even a few people, there is a big inquiry and heads roll.

I suppose it's a matter of priorities and it's clear to the whole world what the priority if for Zanu. Zanu trumpets a lot about sovereignty and the big issue is sovereignty. It's been usurped from the people of Zimbabwe and needs to be returned.

New Elections! The government of national disunity will never work.

Takunya, you and I both know that Tsvangirai never called for any sanctions against the people of Zimbabwe. You have no evidence of this, and its just a figment of your imagination. We all know that if you had any evidence you would be boasting it left right and centre. You only say this to divide the people of Zimbabwe and alienate Tsvangirai from his many many supporters. Do you think this is helpful? In times like this when Zimbabaweans should be coming together you seek to divide the people. Why is this?

takunya whatever. One more thing we want Mugabe to be charged with. Defeating the course of justice when he did nothing about Banana's shananigans whilist ceremonial President. Remember VP Muzenda testified that Mugabe knew what Banana was doing. Wonder if the reason he did nothing is because he is also a closet homosexual.

Mugabe the closet homosexual.... I wouldnt be surprised. He's in denial about so many other things, I wouldnt put it past him. You know its the ones that are the most defensive that you should watch...

You me Mugabi that wears makeup and face crame to make him shiny!haha Yes Mugabe is a closet one for sure.

How can MDC play a hand when they only get one card and Mugabi and regime have the rest of the deck!! Mdc does more with one card than Mugabi and regime does with the whole stacked deck!

Looking at the list of 150 Zimbabweans on the sanction list, I can see why they are deservedly there. To be on the list is to be a sellout! Aseel out to whom? To democrasy, freedom of speach, freedon of association, freedon to go and withdraw your money from the bank? The sellouts must be those women beaten for marching for the rights of women and children, an imperialist idea no doubt! Is this the Zanu PF that you belong to? So courageous to beat and jail innocents - women and children, big men! It is time the people of Zimbabwe brook no more nonsense from Zanu PF and throw them into the dustbin of history!

NO SANCTIONS !!!Welshman Ncube understand (African,American, and Britt.,)Politics.The Organ Troika are no fools,all of them been there before with the My Way Or NO WAY PEOPLE. Keep Saying, Never Again.Tvs.,join in and stop gambling with the lives of the peoples. Next election you will be elected president of Zim.,and Pres.,Mugabe can go home and be a Great Hero with as many wives as he like . You can also have your share while you're being President all alone.With no sanctions.Oweij Liebo, SMILE. USA.

How is mugabe going to rebuilt Zimbabwe? Where are the investors, loans, trade, donations coming from? The man is morally, politically, socially and economically crippled. He is trying to use MDC to bring in the cash in order to pepertuate his grip and brutality on the people. The only important ministry he is willing to concede is the Finace. Why?

Mugabe is as useless as his million dollar bill. Bloody thief.