True! Social unrest started a decade ago when Mugabe lost the referendum and employed venomous Jonathna Moyo and "freedom fighters" like Chinotimba to remain in power against popular will. Then he invaded farms to divert attention and that way got himself another 5 years. Now an equally rabbid Charamba keeps the evil steam engine rumbling on. Joking "Mbeki" added a year to the circus and now SADC has sealed the fate of a population already in demise. The end is now. There will be no unrest. Everyone is very weary. Simply hopelessness and death, tyranny cementing its grip in the region, former Zimbabwe being its reference point.

Elder - it is sad to read of the despondency in your message knowing full well that you are right - the people are exhausted and the 'Prague Spring' resulting from the March 2007 election has probably been snuffed out with the events of the last week-end.

One subject that has not been discussed on this site, but which I am certain exists, is the fear that must be pervading even the most ardent of Mugabe's supporters right now. They must know now that the process of collapse of Zimbabwe as a modern functioning state is accelerating and that nothing of the old order will survive when change eventuates.

To be honest, the 'credit crunch' will highlight the level of self-suficiency reached in Zimbabwe and the rest of the motherland. Luxuries are fine once the basic necessities of life have been put in place. The opposite of 'poverty is SELF-SUFFICIENCY' We need to keep that goal in sight if we are to survive...It is dangerous depending on outsiders for FOOD and HEALTH especially!

In the light of the fact that the United Nations World Food Programme and other international NGO's are feeding half of Zimbabwe's population, the idea that Zimbabwe is being forced into self sufficiency is utter drivel. Like the Zim $, comment on the Zim situation has now reached a new low.

Zimbabeans are already past self sufficiency, this has already been seen. They need urgent help and retaining the present currupt govenment is not going to help. To have partizan police/army/war-0vets doing the distribution is scandalous and a disservice to the populous. Aid Organisation must be autonamous and be allowed to operate without hinderance in any form. They must be allowed access to their funds that have been deposited to ensure disribution of these foods, medicines, etc. If Mugabe refuses to do this, for any reason (even claiming that the aid organisations are political) then these organisations must pack up and leave. If Mugabe has a problem with aid organisations in any way then meet with the appropriate people and disicuss it like any civilised person would. By co-operating with themhe would see fruits by way of a happier population. By sewing discord between parties will only make the situation worse and cause strife. By being partizan he will ony show immaturity and a sefless strugle to hold onto power.

Katz, You foreigners are a problem, you are really a thorn in the flesh, you distort everything including the dates when elections were held just to score cheap points. There were no elections in March 2007. Since 2000 you have been predicting the collapse of Zimbabwe to no avail.

Christopher Dell, the former US Amb to Zimbabwe predicted that something was going to happen by July 2007, nothing happened. He shifted the dates to Dec '07, again nothing happened. He was hurriedly ejected from Zimbabwe and posted to Kabul because of his failure to give Washington a correct assessment of the situation in Zimbabwe.

In came James McGee (the black brother with an imperialist heart) and again he started giving the same predictions that resulted in his colleague being fired. McGee informed Tsvangirai that he was going to win the March elections by more than 60%. His assessment was based on the devastating effect that the sanctions, his regime imposed, had on the people of Zimbabwean. Tsvangirai only managed 47% while his party got a mere 43%. The difference was too wide for a person who gets intelligence reports from more than 200 CIA operatives embedded with different NGOs and civil society organisations in Zimbabwe.

McGee had to pull Tsvangirai by the leash around his neck after the latter had experienced the shock of his life - defeat at the hands of a revolutionary party Zanu pf. McGee intervene once again to avoid heart attack for Tsvangirai who was facing imminent thrashing on 27 June. The circus did not end there, McGee has since decided to swing with the stooge to cool down the BP and in between swings he has advised the idiot not to attend SADC Summits for fear of the humiliation that would come therefrom.

The shocker came recently in South Africa,despite intense lobbying of SADC leaders by McGee and Dell, when SADC ruled in favour of forming a GNU. McGee, just like Dell before him, does not stop predicting. He told Tsvangirai not to follow through with implementation of the GNU in anticipation of the fall of the Zimbabwe govt by Dec 2008. Thus, most people are wondering why Tsvangirai is procrastinating like this when he signed the deal knowing too well what it means to be in a Govt of National Unity and what the implications were.

Plan B is still on the table (Americans are known for not removing plans on the table) and it involves military invasion from Botswana which has become a willing tool of the British and the Americans. Heavily armed militias are ready for deployment to start an insurgency should plan A fail. It happened in Angola, it happened in Mozambique, it is happening right now in DRCongo and is about to happen in Zimbabwe.

We await the arrival of Dec'08, for it is just by the corner, to see where they will move the dates to this time, but by then McGee might be history to Zimbabwe and its people - the Obama fever. And Obama seems not to favour wars and unilateralism that characterised and defined the outgoing Bush regime.

No, no, Takunya, you have it all wrong. SADC was not acting in cahoots with old man Bob. SADC was, in fact, listening to McGee and our white brother in a black skin, Tsvangi.

McGee and Tsvangi's aim is to let as many Zimbabweans die as possible to show other countries what happens when you f@ck with the west. (Of course, Morgan is being well compensated for selling out so many of his fellow countrymen).

The easiest way to do this is to cut off all aid, deploy sanctions and allow Bob to stay in office. Bob then becomes the perfect scapegoat for all Zim's problems. Why do you think Bob still has a job? If the west really wanted him out, they could have done so long ago.

No one has ever wanted to take power away from Bob: he is fulfilling his media created role as "dictator" and "killer of the people" perfectly while showing the rest of the region what happens when you try to take stuff from the west.

All the other SADC countries know that this is the situation, but they're scared that if they try to help Zim by giving the ministry to the MDC, they'll be next. That's why they've decided to go along with mad old Bob's plan of sharing the ministry.

Zim is on its own and all of SADC is looking on to see the final phases of an unfolding train wreck, scared out of their wits at what the west can do without even one shot being fired.

On a personal note: It's actually quite sad to see you here, Takunya, railing against the west and Morgan. An old black man being paid a pittance by ZANU to sit in front of his computer and toe the party line on websites. Your lack of intelligence and pathetic arguments would actually be amusing if the situation wasn't so sad and pathetic.

You must probably find solace in the fact that at least you're helping the west to destroy your country by supporting Bob.

Well, I must go and have some steak and a few glasses of wine. Enjoy you sadza and cholera infested water, old man.

Regards

Blague

Johnj (Blague), This time you are far off the mark on a number of issues. Firstly, nobody said SADC acted in cohorts with any one. If anything SADC acted in cohorts with the deal it negotiated. It does not favour any of the three parties involved in the deal.

Secondly, although you sarcastically put it, I am afraid it is true that McGee and Tsvangirai aim to see as many Zimbabweans as possible die from hunger and disease, but I differ with you on the ultimate aim - they aim to effect regime change in Zimbabwe.

If they did not want regime change as you say why are they training militias for an insurgency war? Why "final push" if the idea was not to remove President Mugabe from power? Why hire Ari Ben Manashe to assassinate the President? Why shout at the top of ones' voice "...go peacefully or we will remove you violently.."?

You are also wrong on the issue of sharing the ministry of Home Affairs. This proposals was first suggested by Tsvangirai himself and seconded by Mutambara who went further to suggest rotational heading of the ministry. President Mugabe only agreed to it after being persuaded by President Mbeki.

Your prediction of a "train wreck" will come to pass just like all others before it. McGee, and Dell before him, made numerous predictions about Zimbabwe but they all remained what they are - predictions without substance. With more than 200 CIA and MI5 spies embedded with NGOs and Civil Society, they failed dismally to foretell what is going to happen in Zimbabwe and will continue to fail in that regard.

On a personal note,It is actually pleasing to note that there is someone out there who recognises that Takunya is fighting a just war, is protecting the Zimbabwean nation and the revolution. I thank you for taking your time, being glued to your sceen reading Takunya's posts and having to miss your time for steak and glasses of wine. That in itself is satisfying to me, not to mention the fact that we are winning the war against you and the imperial west.

Else where I outlined the victories we have achieved so far and the journey we have travelled as a country and what remains to be covered. We are almost at the tip of the mountain, the difficult part is what we have covered. And you, Johnj (Blague), will live to witness our victory celebrations with Bob at the very beginning of the procession.

Takunya, why do you continue to talk such nonsense.

For example "it is true that McGee and Tsvangirai aim to see as many Zimbabweans as possible die from hunger and disease" What a load of nonsense.

As for Tsvangirai's aim to effect regime change, he's the opposition party! That by definition should be his aim! You are so stupid! Do you think Obama shouldnt have had the aim of regime change? Its what opposition parties do.

You have no evidence at all that says they are "training militias for an insurgency war" Why make it up? Why be divisive when this is a time that Zimbabweans should be coming together?

"With more than 200 CIA and MI5 spies embedded with NGOs and Civil Society," more paranoid delusional lies.

Remember. You will get whats coming your way. Its called karma.

Strange that anyone should be concerned about 200 MI5/CIA agents posted w/ NGO's in Zimbabwe when Comrade Bob and his CIO have sent 50 CIO operatives into Botswanna to look for the "bandit training camps".

Just like ZANU-PF/Mugabe to make up lies about their opposition training militias, and then send people to check facts! Wouldn't those 50 CIO operative be better assigned following the MI5/CIA agents?

Anyway, I used to post to point out "facts" to people who defended ZANU-PF/Mugabe. "Facts" like 231 MILLION % inflation, 80% unemployment and 40% of the native-born population of Zimbabwe living in diaspora!

Add to this now: -Zimbabwe has closed it's ONLY medical school "indefinitely" -Zimbabwe is now suffering from massive outbreaks of cholera (how long will SA keep their border open?) -Zimbabwe will have 5 MILLION people dependent on food aid by January! -Police in ZImbabwe now beat doctors and nurses when they protest against conditions that prevent them from saving lives! -Police in Zimbabwe now arrest people and hold them indefinitely. When a judge orders them to present the prisoners, they either ignore the judge or claim they don't know where the prisoners are!

No one is being educated, no one sick is being treated, people are being held prisoner by the police in contempt of Judge's orders.

ZANU-PF/Mugabe cannot even keep itself together! ZAPU is re-constituting! Maybe ZAPU cadres didn't get their plasma TV's or new cars from Comrade Gono..........

No one is re-colonizing Zimbabwe and it's NOT because ZANU-PF/Mugabe are fighting imperialism. No one is re-colonizing Zimbabwe because no one wants to go in and clean upp the mess that ZANU-PF/Mugabe has created! Not even the SADC wants to get their hands dirty!

The people will continue to suffer. Inflation will continue to increase exponentially. ZANU-PF/Mugabe are eventually going to run out of "things" with which to buy off the support of the Army and Police. The only thing keeping them in power is fear! Fear of the rest of Zimbabwe calling them to account for their bloodthirsty support and prolongation of the Mugabe regime.

It's not the rest of the world calling for "regime change", it's Zimbabwe herself!

May God have grace on the suffering people of Zimbabwe under this brutal dictator...............

Cde Ndebvu - you are quite correct; it was a typo - I was refering to the election of March 2008 when I inadvertently typed 2007 by mistake. I am sure that you will forgive me this error.

Since you have chosen to bring up the subject of Christopher Dell you will recall how the Mugabe press ridiculed Dell for suggesting that inflation in Zimbabwe would reach 4 million percent by the end of last year? Ah how you must fondly recall those halcyon days when inflation was only 4 million percent!

Have you managed to find any evidence of the teeming hordes of MDC militias who are training in their Botswana camps? Or are you relying on the ever truthful zanu-pf propaganda department to come up with the hard evidence?

As for predictions of Zimbabwe's collapse; I truly regret to say that it is no longer a question of prediction. Zimbabwe has already collapsed when its citizens no longer have clean water, when its children are sent home from school because there is no food, when its parliament is closed because the toilets do not work and when its government departments will not accept payments in its worthless local currency. What more could you possibly need to know to confirm that the country has already collapsed? Wide spread famine? Well wait until February and the evidence of that will be abundant.

So Takunya, as you sat there in the midst of the discourses between Mr Tsvangirai Bell and McGee, which you seem to have witnessed first hand, what did you do? And as you also sat there listening in on "intelligence reports of more than 200 CIA operatives embedded with different NGOs and civil society organizations in Zimbabwe," there again, what did you do? Wow, what a burden on your shoulders witnessing all these events? Perhaps it would be wise to name the exact locations these exchanges took place and also name the NGOs operating with the 200 CIA agents because I am sure, everyone would like to know, especially coming from you - someone so pathetically brain-washed and who responded to one of my posts saying there were no hospitals in Zimbabwe before Mugabe. What a lie.

This is the logical conclusion of the example being made of Zimbabwe. A civil war is inevitable and should break out with the next 6 months.

Whatever is left of Zimbabwe today will soon be ploughed into the earth and its children left to die from hunger and disease. Let this be a lesson to all other African countries: you just don't f@ck with western interests.

Africans cannot rule themselves and when they try to do so, they will be made an example of. I think it will be a long time before any other African leader tries to dip his hand into the cookie jar.

" I think it will be a long time before any other African leader tries to dip his hand into the cookie jar."

Do you think?

johnj - your's has got to be one of the most un-enlightened posts seen on this site for a long time. It certainly adds nothing to the debate and only inflames emotions. Why don't you take yourself off the the local Klan chapter or wherever it is that other 19th century rednecks like to hang out.

As a staunch anti-Mugabe contributor to this site, let me say that I don't in any way want to be associated with this sort of racist drivel.

This racist comment just plays straight into the world view held by Mugabe and Zanu PF - the collapse is totally as a result 'West's war on Zimbabwe for daring to threaten Western interests' and has nothing to do with Zanu's own mismanagement of the country in the last 28 years. JohnJ, if you truly are a white man from the West - shame on you. I suspect though you might be yet another Zanu supporter planting more 'evidence' of the 'racist western conspiracy'...

Africans can rule themselves very successfully, Botswana being the prime example. The ANC in SA have delivered not only macro-economic stability but rates of economic growth not seen there in decades. There is progress in a number of African nations who are now headed by more pragmatic governments who are trying to implement good governance and anti-corruption mindsets into their administrations and they have been reaping the benefits of increasing economic growth and stability - Zambia, Mozambique, Nigeria... There is a long way to go for sure, but Africa as a whole is not a write off, and certainly doesn't need either white men or power hungry liberation-era dictators to rule it in order for it to progress.

African32, I am afraid I agree with JohnJ's assessment to the extend that any African govt or leader that tries to "dip his hand into the cookie jar" will be "...made an example..." to other African countries. Kwame Nkrumah tried to do it, what happened to him - he died in exile. Samora Machiel tried to do it and was brought down from the skies. Tomas Sankara tried to do it and was assassinated.

Before then Martin L. King had a dream and he died for merely dreaming. Mugabe and his people are suffering the consequences of daring to "dip ... hands into the cookie jar". The list is endless, lest we be accused of ".planting more 'evidence' of the 'racist western conspiracy...'", surfice it to say that Kabila of DRC was killed for wanting to take what rightfully belongs to the Congolese people and today his son who was democratically has to contend with the western sponsored and supported rebel army of Nkunda who displaces millions of congolese and kills thousands more just because the DRCongo Govt signed a mining deal with China.

You mention that Botswana and South Africa as "prime example" of countries that are success stories. Lets take Bostwana and see what it has done for its people.

The country discovered diamond a long time ago but tell me what it has done for its people? Half the population of less than 2 million people are still staying in grass thatched houses right in the capital city of Goborone and its evirons. How much of the proceeds from the diamond goes towards social services that directly benefit the ordinary Batswana, a very small amount indeed.

Most of the proceeds are syphoned outside to develop western capitals. Except for the military base built and being run by the Americans no other major development took place in Botswana in the last 10 years. Let Khama dip his hand in the "cookie jar" and see how the currency will crumble - it will happen over night.

What you say about South Africa is what the west used to say about Zimbabwe before we decided to dip our hand in the cookie jar. South Africa, under Mbeki, wanted to "...f@ck with western interests..." and we know what happened. First it was Zuma accused of corruption and rape and he only got off the hook when he decided to tow the imperialist line.

Next came Mbeki who was ousted when he talked about the slow pace of land reform and empowerment of black South Africans. This was followed by the split of the ANC and punctuated by the withdrawal of the land bill that was already before Parliament. That spelt the end of the story for South Africa and any one who tries to dip their hands in the cookie jar will be "made an example".

As for the other countries you mention, well, good luck for them but they should never make the mistake of dipping their hands in the jar. The moment they do that the 70+% budgetary support they are getting will be removed without warning and that will spell disaster for them, for they won't be able to resist like what Zimbabwe is doing.

When all is said and done, it is important to point out that Zimbabwe is more than ready to confront the aggression coming from Botswana with the force it deserves. We know that our people are going to suffer temporarily but after we finish with Tsvangirai's militia, they will live happily ever after.

Well guys, and by guys, I do not mean the terrorist takunya_ndebvu, or the KKK redneck JohnJ, we know the truth, and those idiots can post their bullshit until the cows come home, and the truth will remain the truth.

takunya_ndebvu is what happens when a cockroach and a chongololo mate.

I am happy that Mugabe is an old man, and his rule will soon be over.

It will be nice to finally have a free Zimbabwe.

It will be pleasure to see Mugabe and his cronies join the other kleptocrats down below. I note that the RTGS system has been reinstalled., it would now apear that it was suspended because Gono do not pay for the software and had it was removed/stopped till payment was made. Another story of the theft and mismangement by this government. The 7.2 million attempted theft was only the beginning. Tanunya if this is what you believe the pinacle of Zimbabwe is I do really feel sorry for you and more so for the country that has such ignorant warped individuals that can emit such bald faced lies. I presume that you realy do believe the more garbage you spout someone is going to believe you. Art, thank you for countering this threat in such style. I note after you have chewed him up he normaly runs and hides like the little boy he must be.

Cde Ndebvu - do I detect paranoia in your latest post? Mbeki removed by the West? 200 CIA operatives embedded in NGOs working in Zimbabwe? What next? Let me guess Barack Obama is really a front for white jewish imperialist interests whose number one purpose in life is to invade Zimbabwe via Francistown so that the Rhodie diaspora can return in splendour to re-occupy all their old farms. Why don't you throw in Adolf Hitler, the Freemasons and Opus Dei for good measure?

Cde Ndebvu - by the way I forgot to ask you whatever happened to all those farms in South Africa at which the MDC were supposed to be training their militia? You remember the ones - Mugabe presented his case to the SADC summit in Dar-es-Salaam 2 years ago where he accused the MDC of the same thing he now says they are doing in Botswana. Oh silly of me - I remember now; the case was thrown out of court in Zimbabwe for want of a little technicality; namely there being no evidence whatsoever.

When exactly the same happens for this latest farce, I hope that you will have the honesty to recall that you have bought this piece of zanu-pf rubbish hook, line and sinker.