I wonder how Desmond Tutu expected himself to be acceptable to Zim authorities when he is advocating for regime change, is he normal. Zdera was was enacted in USA and Carter did not oppose it and now wants to come as a seviour, Annan always talking rubbish about Zim administration wants as well to come ....... uh ... he thinks Zim authorities are insensetive to his being fronted by westerners for the latter"s regime change agenda, what a shame, and they now want to hook in Gracia... . Gracia my dear dont allow yourself to be used, these guys have their own hidden agenda. We don"t read on what they say but on what they really are. You think Zims are not intelligent, sorry

"Icho.

I am forever perplexed by the strident tones of your comments. The three Elders were simply trying to assess the humanitarian situation, not the political issues. Furthermore, Desmond Tutu was not part of the delegation so your comments regarding his non-acceptability to the "Regime" was unfounded and simply shows that you do not read the articles completely.

What is your problem?....Do you want a catastrophe to occur? Are you even in Zimbabwe? Cholera and Starvation know no political affiliation.

You need a reality check.

Exactly, this is about a humanitarian crisis.

Hi, Dave! ------ “You need a reality check.” Really???? If you have any modicum of integrity in your blood, think again my friend. Read up on the same thing happening next door before you chastise brother “Icho”. The country next door, namely Rep of Congo, is under dire need of the same things these Elders are talking about. Yet they don’t even lift a finger. Don’t be fooled. These elders may be shedding crocodile tears. One wonders. Whose bidding are you in for?

I saw it coming. A direct confrontation of Cdr. MUGABE and Western neo-imperialist reactionary circles and their fifth columnists in Africa entire.

The so-called moribund "Elders", whose time was yesterday, we now hear are organized by the heirs of the rape of Africa. Yes: mediated beneficiaries of European xenophobic grounded imperialism.

Elders, my foot.

ALL WESTERN GOVERNMENTS HAVE INTELLIGENCE UNITS IN ZIMBABWE.

Accordingly, information on the "conditions" of the peoples of Zimbabwe is readily available.

THE TRUTH IS THEY WANT REEGIME CHANGE, these tails of neo-western imperialism.

I REFUSE to play the analogy game: Dafur, the DRC.

Bottom line: the brave fighter made Africa proud today. As for that mendacious Anan, the dude from Ghana, I say: mind your business, daddy o: you did nothing for Africa when you headed the UN. You and others are in this whole thing for benjamins. Go get a real job!

I know I wouldn't want to get paid by a beneficiary of European despotic imperialism.

Again, the Cdr. demonstrates his cat fighting instincts. BRAVO!

Wow. You are amazing. We all know that 10 years from now you'll deny you ever supported your "Cdr Mugabe." You'll be right up there with the rest of us reminiscing about how diffiult and dark these days really were. You can't be serious in defending that man, can you? Your wild conspiracy theories, when the truth is as plain as the nose on your face...Robert Mugabe and company have been an unmitigated disaster for Zimbabwe and Zimbabweans.

The truth? Please. The truth you see so clearly and evidently is a mirage, created by your uncritical, sub-rosa theorization of contestable facts.

MOREOVER, Cdr. Mugabe does not need my support; au contraire, he is fully and robustly supported by the people of Zimbabwe.

Of course, you are free to withhold your support. C'est la vie humaine, n'est pas?

HIGHEST REGARDS.

To be so blind must be a blessing for you. Contestable facts? cholera, starvation, supression, media perversion, beating women and children, murder, the list goes on and on. For all your rosy words and blind support of Mugabe. So fully and robustly supported by the people of Zimbabwe, he had to send in the troops to beat up striking doctors, striking not over pay but the poor conditions of the hospitals, no medication. Great support when the educated stand up and say enough is enough. The people of Zimbabwe should have learnt the lesson of the 2000 referendum, Mugabe lost and he set out to destrot the farming sector whom he blamed. Now he last the March 2008 elections (had to even fudge the results to force a run off)The people of Zimbabwe must now pay for this and are! Mugabe runs the country as his personal fiefdom and will brook no dissent, anyone that crosses him will suffer. The Matabele, the White farmers and now the population. He is beginning to make Mobutu and Idi Amin look like nice guys. Though you probably think they were!

Judging from your postion in support of this evil, mad little man, you are either personally benefitting from Mugabe's patronage, or you are living comfortably in South Africa far removed from what's going on in Zim. Either way, you are not one of the millions of Zimbabweans contending as we speak with a lack of food, the total collapse of the health and education systems, and 213 million percent inflation.

I also think your statement that the majority of Zimbabweans support Mugabe is a total fallacy. The majority supported Morgan Tsvangarai in the first election, in spite of the violence, intimidation and outright murder perpetrated by your ZANU-PF cronies. Mugabe could only win when he ran against himself!

History will expose the truth.

He is a West African (Francophone) living anywhere but Zimbabwe, writes with a dictionary/Lexicon beside him so he can pick up big words that are meant to impress.He tries to follow the Marxist leanings that were vogue 40 years ago - imperialist etc. You will never get an ounce of fact or reason from him,just the usual insults and Mumbo Jumbo that these type of idiots spout. AS he has often mentioned "MY sources in Zimbabwe". Absolute drivel. AS in his words, Best Regards, Cheers, Zut Alors

Its when one reads the pro-Mugabe pro-Zanupf arguments on here that one begins to appreciate how the country is in the straits it is. There are way too many foolish gullible morally blind, morally bankrupt idiotic zimbos to effect any meaningful change in the country.....and guess who knows this too and exploits it for his and his mudering cronies' gain......none other than the chief murderer himself mugabe! till these pro-Mugabe idiots on here attain a basic level of education and understanding of world/current affairs I am afraid we are going o have to grit our teeth and learn to disregard their cesspit ramblings!!!!

History? Please! Whose history?

Cheers.

False is your assertion that Cdr. Mugabe is a "mad little man...." Mad, he is not; and a little man, he affrimatively ain't. Just ask your hero MT, the sprinter.

That you have swallowed toto caelo the propaganda of the neo-imperialist insurgent West is attested crisply by your YOUR FAILURE TO LINK the "conditions" in Zimbabwe to the ILLEGAL SANCTIONS imposed on THE PEOPLE OF ZIMBABWE under the watch of an African: the fifth columnist of the West in Africa, the Ghanain, Annan.

Go figure, dude.

Regards

Dude, wake up and smell the coffee: Cdr. MUGABE did not cause the "conditions" in Zimbabwe; the neo-imperialist ILLEGALLY IMPOSED SANCTIONS, with the blessings of the African fifth colunmist, Annan, did.

Hence, it must be admitted that you are historically naive.

History, by the way, judges nada; historians 'do'. And, what do historians offer? Nothing but falsifiable hypothoses. Get it: hypotheses judge nothing.

Regards.

False is your assertion that Cdr. Mugabe is a "mad little man...." Mad, he is not; and a little man, he affrimatively ain't. Just ask your hero MT, the sprinter.

That you have swallowed toto caelo the propaganda of the neo-imperialist insurgent West is attested crisply by your YOUR FAILURE TO LINK the "conditions" in Zimbabwe to the ILLEGAL SANCTIONS imposed on THE PEOPLE OF ZIMBABWE under the watch of an African: the fifth columnist of the West in Africa, the Ghanain, Annan.

Go figure, dude.

Regards

What is "truth"? Truth in history?: you have just jumped from the frying pan to the fire.

Historical truth is a pure construction, always falsifiable. And, now where is your history? You want "truth"?

Continue the moribund search: you are on your own. I prefer to make sense, not speak "truth."

In the spirit of bourgeois liberalism, I urge you to rock in your TRUTH EMPIRE. I suppose modesty is a matter of taste.

Cheers.

Jettison the metaphysics, please: "history" exposes nada. Historians, with different ideological hats, claims which, under the canons of historical methodology, are eminently subject to FALSIFICATION.

Thus, every "exposure" or "concealement" is provisional tout court.

Cheers.

And what exactly is your point? You seem to suggest that as long as there is mass murder in DRC and Darfur or anywhere in Africa, then its perfectly fine for mugabe to do the same if the western world does not do much to try stop the other atrocoties? What twisted and foolish reasoning! The reasoning of a murderous mind!!!!

@Icho

I am more than happy to debate the DRC situation Viz-a-Viz Zimbabwe. It just happens that I have a wealth of 'FACTS' if you are willing to suspend your extremely partisan views.

1...The DRC situation is being addressed via the UN and peacekeepers and funds have been allocated. Mr Mugabe's regime suspended NGO and associated aid from being distributed until recently. Even then, he insisted that they buy local food and medical help in $Z. How stupid is that?

2...Despite the dire need for funds and manpower to fight the Cholera epidemic, the Zimbabwe regime has sent a contingent of troops and support staff to "Assist" in the DRC. WHY?

3...RGM, most of the Chefs and amazing "Grace" have been allocated diamond rights in the DRC for their help during the earlier conflict. That conflict was paid for with the funds allocated by the UK for Farm Purchases and loans from the General fund of the IMF. THEFT.

I could go on but you won't read this and check for yourself...will you.

Dave, You don’t have to give conditions if for sure you have “…a wealth of 'FACTS'…” as you claim. This only shows that you are not informed at all about the situation in both Zimbabwe and DRCongo. What you rely on is just pure propaganda from those pursuing the regime change agenda.

You say that the DRC situation is being addressed via the UN, you are wrong. Why did the UN leave the situation deteriorating to this level before they “addressed” it? How did Nkunda manage to arm his militias when the UN peacekeepers were there but doing nothing? Are you trying to tell me they did not see this coming when weapons were being transported across the border from Rwanda?

Why did the UN not stop Rwanda from invading DRCongo who only withdrew when the DRCongo govt complained to the UNSC? Why did we see delegation after delegation visiting the Great Lakes Region but none condemned Rwanda and Nkunda? Instead they apportion blame between a legitimate govt and a rebel group that is killing civilians in their homes. Clare Short recently appeared on BBC Hardtalk programme supporting Nkunda and Rwanda and denying that the two are the aggressors.

The UN peacekeepers were the first to deny that Rwanda had invaded DRCongo and yet it was clear that Kagame helped Nkunda in the initial stages of the current conflict. Why has the UN not indicted or just condemning Nkunda for killing civilians and causing the death and suffering of so many people simply because they are not Tutsis? The so-called UN peacekeepers talk of the rebels getting arms from fleeing DRCongo soldiers but we all know that it is bullshit.

How could all the heavy weapons that the rebels are using come from fleeing soldiers when they did not have such weapons? Now that the govt soldiers have abandoned their positions, where is Nkunda still getting arms and ammunition to sustain the war and to supply +/-10 000 rebels under his command? According to you, the unlimited supply of weapons is still coming from govt soldiers. Give us a break!!

Why are the peacekeepers not going for Nkunda who is only about 10 km from Goma. The answer is that although he is a tribalist they are not taking him out because he is a front for imperialists. Imperialists are determined to get back what they lost when the democratically elected govt of President Joseph Kabila came to power and Nkunda is going to do that for them. No wonder he is talking about not being happy that the Chinese won diamond mining concessions worth billions of dollars.

On the question of NGOs, the Zimbabwean govt never banned well meaning NGOs but only those that were interfering in our internal politics. Most NGOs have CIA and MI6 agents embedded in them for the regime change agenda. Hence, only those NGOs that were distributing food with campaign material for the MDC were suspended and not everybody.

You make me laugh when you allege that money for the purchase of farms was used to sustain the first war in the DRCongo. So you tell me that for close to three years in the DRCongo we only used 40 million Pounds? Common sense should tell you that you are lying. However, we all know that common sense is not common. 40 million Pounds cannot sustain a thousand soldiers on such a mission for just two months. If, as you claim, this money was used to sustain the war, where did the money to buy the first farms purchased under the willing-buyer-willing-seller come from? This only shows that you are a lair because no single penny from that money was used to sustain the first war in the DRCongo.

If what you said about Zimbabwe investing in the DRC mining industry is anything to go by then we should comment the govt for their foresight. But to allege that individuals in govt, including First Lady Mai Mugabe has mining interests in the DRC is bullshit and should be dismissed with the contempt it deserves.

I do not see anything wrong with the govt of Zimbabwe investing in the mining industry in the DRC. Common sense should also tell you that this is quite in order as it happens everywhere. The Americans have been awarded an uncountable number of contracts in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Black Water is one very good example of an American company that won a contract to provide security services in Iraq by virtue of the involvement of the USA in the invasion of that country. Former Defence Secretary, Cheney’s company is involved in mining oil in Iraq and the same company is supplying weapons to Iraq soldiers and Police. So what is wrong with us investing outside when imperialists are craving to come to invest in Africa?

@ takunya_ndebvu Sat Nov 22 19:30:59 2008

Thank you for the response to my comment.

I won't respond to your allegations that I'm lying because it won't serve any purpose. If you log onto the IMF website and search the records, you will find that Zimbabwe borrowed a large sum from two(2)accounts. The total amounts were spread over several years and were supposed to be used for reconstruction, agricultural improvements and civil projects. None of this took place. Meantime Zimbabwe was involved in the war in the DRC.

Likewise...The funds agreed in the Lancaster House agreement with the UK Government were spread over a number of years. None of those funds were used to purchase Farms.

So I conclude...as any sensible person would...that if the funds weren't spent for the purposes they were supposed to, then they were spent on something else. The war in the DRC was and is a very good candidate. Most of the funds borrowed from the IMF has not been repaid. That is why Zimbabwe can't get development aid. It's because you haven't repaid that earlier debt.

AS to the DRC diamond concessions made to the Chefs and ruling family, that is a matter of record. Zimbabwean soldiers are guarding them as I type.

As I stated...I'm non-partisan..I only report facts.

I have a question for you ...Why is there no food available in Zimbabwe. It's not because of sanctions. They only target individuals and their companies.

I have a theory regarding Zimbabwe..It's that certain people have become corrupt and complacent after so long in power. I could be wrong but history will determine the facts when things are stabilized.

Gentlement, We have argued, debated, condemned and chasticised Mugabe to no avail! We have made proposals one after another and it has not worked. What next? Really, what next? Humanitarianism? Is it the case that Mugabe and his cronies have no conscious at all? Are they not able to see the suffering in their own country? Mugabe is a cocky, intransigent imbecile. Surely if I start a fight, (anybody remembers those cattle herder boys' fights in the savannah bushes of Africa?) Yes, surely, if I have failed, surely if I am beaten, the dignified way is to give up in the interests of humanity! We are not saying he should give power to MDC, please NO! But Mugabe must step aside. He MUST! What type of human is he. Whether Mugabe's arguments are right or not, his presence there is causing a lot of suffering and it is not right. NOT for the HUMAN race! It is a very strange stand to take. Please dont , and I mean dont accuse the West for the poor management and judgement of Mugabe. It is his own Shona testosterone charged arrogance!!!!!! The solution is for Mugabe to leave full stop!!!!

Dave;

Who appointed these "bloody" African elders? Are they the same elders who were mute during Rwandan genocide?

These 'elders' are shameless wolves in sheep's who are earning huge contract fees by pretending to have wisdoms in conflict resolutions. The people paying them to bamboozle the impotent African guards are only after Sub Saharan African natural resources being looted while poor Africans are being killed, displaced from their ancestral land or starved to death. Zimbabweans are being starved in order to protect the whites who own 90% of the fertile land in Zimbabwe.

Elder Kofi Annan was the "head of UN peacekeeping forces" during Rwandan genocide. He ordered the UN forces to do absolutely nothing to stop the genocide. He was under another African called Boutros Boutros-Ghali of Egypt who was the UN Secretary General. Dave, 85,000 tons Chinese AK 47 and 500,000 machetes used during Rwanda genocide came from Boutros –Ghali’s Egypt. To reward Annan for his role in Rwanda, he became the UN Secretary General. I bet he has earned prominence and expertise in handling African issues due his effectiveness in the depopulation of Africans from their land to give way to exploitation of natural resources. The only people Annan finds faults with are the Africans he has learned to deceive.

Many African elites and leaders are playing the same role as Annan, which happens to be the depopulation of Africa through genocide, disease and starvation. These African elites have become lethal instruments used by foreign interests who are very well organized and determined to leave no stone unturned to get the Africa's natural resources. African elites and rulers have allowed themselves to be reduced into warring tribal entities with one enemy in mind, a fellow poor African. The arms being acquired by these ruling elites are used on poor Africans being killed or fleeing for their lives into the inhumane refugee camps. The organized foreigners neither see poor Africans nor elite through whom they control African population as human beings worth respecting or protecting!

The lowland gorillas these organized western folks are pretending to be protecting are merely covers for their resources explorations in the Congo forest and African lake regions.

The COLTAN and other minerals’ genocide have killed many Congolese and the “bloody elders” heading for Zimbabwe have been silent. This war has gone on since the murder of Patrice Lumumba. Millions of Africans have perished since and there is no end in sight!

takunya_ndebvu Sat Nov 22 19:30:59 2008

I am now in a position to respond to your previous comment that the Zimbabwean Government is investing in mining concessions in the DRC.

They aren't...They haven't declared any outputs from the concessions. In fact they haven't invested a single Z$ in the DRC . All of the concessions are for named individuals. Mangagwa, Mugabe x2, Chihuri etc.

Please explain.!!!

DAVE ! THE ELDERS SHOULD EXPLAIN DRC FIRST BEFORE THEY COME TO ZIM.WE HERE IN AMERICA AGREE'S WITH PRES.,MUGABE FOR NOW.IF THEY DO COME ,MAKE SURE THEY BRING THAT 40 ACRES AND A MULE.OWEIJ LIEBO,TARBORO,NORTH CAROLINA.

Cde Ndebvu - I wonder if you can see how humerous your comments are? Probably not. Anyway, whilst you are on the subject of the DRC and the UN, I would appreciate it if you would answer a question for me that I find somewhat confusing.

The DRC is a member of SADC and two SADC members (Zimbabwe and Angola) are providing military assistance to a member country. That's consistent with your views that SADC should resolve its own problems and certainly accords with your views that the UN is not welcome in Zimbabwe where only SADC is mandated to intervene / help (call it what you will). However, most of your comment in regard to the DRC is that the UN is not doing enough there and its lack of intervention in the past is to blame for the ills of that country.

I am sure that you can see my question: why should the UN not also play a part in resolving the urgent humanitarian and political problems in Zimbabwe as you are encouraging it to do so in the DRC? Do you want the UN to play a role in the SADC region or not? Does your principle of non-interference only apply in certain circumstances?

Takunya, Zimbabwe faces severe problems and not everything can just be reduced to “western imperialists”. Zimbabwe stands alone as the only country in SADC that has no legitimate gov’t. All SADC countries have changed their leaders at least twice, while Zimbabwe is stuck with Mugabe for over 27 years. No real solutions from dictators such as Mugabe! Get over it. We Zimbabweans are killing ourselves now and we need help from outside now.

takunya_ndebuu, jallohlaw, ecor, icho = Zanu PF 1, 2, 3 & 4.

Don't try to reason with these 4 with facts, because all they care about is keeping the old man in power, keeping the people of Zimbabwe hungry, sick and repressed.

They pretend that coward Mugabe is the legitimate prime minister of Zimbabwe, when everyone knows that he was not democratically elected.

Great men have power thrust upon them.

Incompetent cowards like Mugabe steal power, and then steal from their people, and have minions like the above 4, to spew their propaganda, and blame the west, and everyone but their incompetent selves.

You will notice that these Zanu PF low-lifes have plenty of crap to say, but their true colours show so easily. Do you ever hear them talk about compassion or solutions for the suffering masses ? Of course not.

These are cockroaches and scavengers, and their future is written in the history of others before them.

We, the true Zimbabweans, will prevail and they the scavengers, will be dealt with accordingly.

Here's a poem by Lucifer Light that describes the coward Mugabe perfectly;

You think you are the top, The king of the world. Why, you are nothing! Just an anal orifice filled with haemorrhoids and not forgetting syphilis!

You are but a self-enriching, prejudiced oppressor with no grasp of reality; The yellow pus oozing from penis suffering from gonorrhea.

You think you are good looking, Sure, as good looking as an ass blazed with swine erysipelas. To me, you are like an irritating flea on the rim of a female mongrel's ass.

You wrinkled atrophied testicle of a sterile donkey deserves no praise from me, For you are below trash, Below the slime that gathers below trash.

Takunya, who are the "us investing outside"? If you mean Zimbabwe, then how can she, when she is relying on foreign aid as she is unable to feed herself and struggling so much. If the "us" is Mugabe stealing more of whatever little reserves Zimbabwe has and investing in another country, then the matter is HUGE. Just imagine putting Zimbabwe's money in another country and leaving people dying of cholera for lack of sanitary water for the people. And Takunya, you do not see a problem with any of this?

Takunya, to your question of what is wrong with you investing in another country is "YOU are broke." People are dying because you can't even afford chemicals to purify your drinking water - hence the deaths from cholera. Sop being pompous when you have zilch and face facts. Deaths of Zimbabweans from cholera are staring at you in the face and can be prevented. One thing for sure, your constant crowing of Mugabe will get you nowhere as cholera is telling you loud and clear that you are a fool, footsak.

Like a typical Mugabe and regime retarded follower you bring the Congo into it to try and draw attention away from retarded Mugabe and the suffering he has caused the people of Zim. I can not wait to laugh when Mugabe and regime hang by the neck from a tree!

By refusing the entry of the three elders Carter, Machel and Annan, Mugabe shot himself in the foot. Perhaps Mugabe thinks he is clever, but he is clearly stupid and dumb to disallow those who would be his cheerleaders in the fight against disease, in particular cholera that can spread like wild fire killing in its path, and hunger where over 5 million Zimbabweans are facing eminent starvation. Mugabe's stupid act of idiocy has cost Zimbabwe 30 million rands that South Africa is now withholding, and there is no knowing how much Annan and Carter would also have provided in aid. Mugabe is really working it - like all abusive cowards, slowly isolating Zimbabwe from people who would in strong terms tell him just where to fget off. It's hard to understand why Zimbabweans allow themselves to be bullied by this little decrepit, pathetic and ugly monster, Mugabe.

Which Congo are you talking about? The United Nations is operative in Congo and is about to be beefed up. Why should Zimbabwe be so special yet they do not even want the UN in the country. You don't be fooled not Dave. People are dying of Cholera and now it has jumped the border to South Africa and you think ZANU PF is still the big nationalist movement? You don't be fooled!

Dave, Zimbabwe is an independent and sovereign nation, therefore Zim gvt is the one that decides who to accept and who to bar from visiting zimbabwe...Annan and Carter deserved what they got, being barred..They wanted to boost the western sponsored mdc-t's waning fortunes...These so called 'ELDERS' have been hostile to zimbabwe and have never spoken out against illegal economic sanctions imposed on ordinary Zimbabweans but now they claim to be 'sympathetic' to the plight of the same people, Shameless Hypocrisy...

@mabhiza

You are actually making my point. This is not about "Politics" it's about saving the lives of Zims. For too long have the ruling party relied upon false issues like "Patriotism", "Sovereignty" and "Independence". This situation is beyond that. It transcends party politics. It needs to be supported by all parties, not one. Despite the political turmoil, all of Zimbabwe's leaders should be working towards a solution to the Food and Health crisis.

I have no affiliation. I am fortunate not to have to take sides but from the outside looking in...It is obvious (and getting more obvious) that Mr Mugabe is more than willing to sacrifice his peoples lives in order to retain power. That is the crux of this dilemma and that is what needs to be resolved.

Mugabe has seen to it (quite thoroughly in fact) that Zimbabwe holds no value whatsoever. For what reason exactly would the western powers that be want to gain control of Zimbabwe? Do the most powerful and economically stable nations in the world want to add to their success by ransacking all the goodies Zimbabwe has to offer? Is that it? What spoils does Zimbabwe have to offer exactly? None. Pull your heads out of your asses.

The reality is that white western governments will never change and will never do right by there own people, let alone do right by humanity.This amounts to more imperialism by the same governments for the same reason:stealing natural resources;stealing peoples children and using force to take what they want. I applaud Mugabe for standing up to western brutality and long for the day that the world would be rid of western barbarism.Your so called facts are nothing but propaganda that you are too lazy to see through or you approve of the evil of imperialism in Africa

'Icho' is an idiot. Whether you like it or not there shall be regime change no matter who talks about it it shall come. The majority of the people of Zimbabwe want regime change we do not have to worry about who else is saying it. Icho and Mugabe must allow the opposition to campain anywhere in the country freely and fairly and go for an election and that is when they will see that they are living in a cocoon.

Mugabe is worse than Idi Amin and why do SADC leaders waisting time not to overthrow him from Power as they did with Idi Amin .This man in insane honestly and even those who follow him are the same ,How can you deny Visa,s for the people like Koffi Annani and Jimmy Carter .These people want to access the situation and see what can be done .Mugabe is already old and he will not continue for long but he is letting the young die from starvation while himself is comfortable in state house .Are you interested in the welfare of the people or are you interested in your own affairs ? Why can't you step down and let others rule that country for better Mugabe ? If SADC leaders cannot remove him from power by force it is because they are the same as most of them became leaders by corrupt means and Mugabe knows about them all . He has no respect for any other leader in the world who can suggest change in Zimbabwe .And you Zimbabwe people you are afraid to talk because you fear Dying and yet you are already dying why can't you stand up and fight as you did when you removed the white minority .It is mainly you people the Zimbaweans who can bring change and oust this mad man in the name of Mubabe .Look Mugabe the economy has collapsed and the inflation in your country has gone beyond imagination the worst in the world and why should you let the innocent people suffer for no reason .Wake up Mugabe people need the other leader and do not intimidate them .If you do not remove yourself from power then God will remove you from power no matter what it costs .

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Icho...can you read dude ?

Where did you come up with Tutu ?

You guys at the misinformation bereau of Zanu PF, seem to be more and more confused everyday.

The brave Cdr. MUGABE does not need agents of the neo-imperial "West," funded, we now know, but knew along, by mediated BENEFICIARIES OF THE RAPE OF AFRICAN BODIES, AND LAND MEDDLING in the affairs of the people of Zimbabwe, my sources at ZANU-PF unqualifiedly assert.

Elders? That is the joke of the century. The elders, the founders of African 'independence', mendacious to the last bone in their dry bodies, are the very same ones who compromised the political liberation of Africa from these European dictators rooted in key xenophobia.

Again: the figter, Cdr. MUGABE throws an upper cut that landed. BRAVO! YOU MADE AFRICA PROUD TODAY.

Most high considerations and regards.

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WAY TO GO? If “elders” acknowledge the dire need for economic and food assistance to Zimbabwe THEN their port of call should be to those countries that are causing suffering through sanctions, i.e UK/US/EU. Zimbabwe therefore needs food not pompous visits of dupers! For as long as these stupid self proclaiming elders are not keen to denounce sanctions and mobilize for food aid they will remain showcase mongers with no clue what it is to be pan-Africanist.

"onesoulzim

If. as you say Zimbabwe needs food...WHY WERE THE CHEFS EXPORTING HUNDREDS OF TONS OF MAIZE TO SOUTH AFRICA LAST WEEK?

Elders, go home to your neo-western imperialist sponsors! The fighter, Cdr. MUGABE OUTWITS REACTION again.

Regards.

For 50 years I have been reading about aid to Africa. Aid to Africa, Aid to Africa. When is Africa going to come to its own aid. Leadership in Africa is sadly lacking in ambition. The goal of African leadership seems only to enrich oneself and the families and tribes of the leaders. There is no goal setting for improvement, no economic development, no self respect.

I would not want to be known as head of a beggar state. Forever begging people to help. Its insane! The African people need to pull themselves together, unseat the greedy "kings" and move toward self sufficency. Billions of dollars have poured into Africa with no visable improvement in the lives of the people. Refruge camps run by foriegners are all over the continent. What a pathetic way to run a country!

I say there should be no foreign help, let the leaders lie in the bed they make for themselves. It is disgusting for a people to be whinning all the time about how poor they are when they do nothing to change their lot. Its the same generation after generation!

But I must say that all those faces of starving children helps to keep the aid society wealthy...Who wouldn't give money for a poor starving child? Africa is making a living off those poor starving children, instead of going to work everyday to develop a strong economy. I am sick of hearing about the poor starving Zimbi's for God Sake, GET A JOB!!!!!!!!! Stop begging! I think its great that he is refusing aid! It is a mental disease to always go around begging for help! Absolutely pathetic!

this is best to leave Zimbabwe to be the way it is dont help or even offer a penny let it be Zimbabweans have one problem weather they are out of Zimbabwe or in they dont want any one to worry much for its not about getting rid of Mugabe they dont want that they want him if they did they would never have been witting all that junk and complaining leave them as they are when they start dieing in big numbers they will learn now that its time up i talk to allot of zimbabweans they dont want Mugabe out in the UK Ireland Germany and most of all the USA they dont want him out they want him Mugabe the they say why do you want him out so the west can take our country again i am my self from zimbabwe but i have never met people like this with hard heads so just walk away Kofi Annan and the rest leave it in they hands time will tell for these Jokers it will worry about the DRC than zimbabwe there are many who are dieing there than in zimbabwe the Congo needs your help more thabo mbeki is there for zimbabwe south Africa is there to help so why worry

I got to know Mr jimmy some years after he left the presidency of America.He is a real decent man and one of the few presidents who after leaving office tried to do something without asking for money in return.Alas Mr jimmy probably is trying to interfer with the internal affairs of Rhodesia and he has Kofi Anan Desmond Tutu and Michael comming along with him.They should not be making a political platform outside of Rhodesia.Kofi Anan did nothing tangable to help Africa some years ago I worked in Ghana,The school Anan attended in cape coast is delapidated he did visit the school ,promised to improve the school and things are the same there also during that time Anan came to Ghana and defended the flight lieutenant

I know jimmy Carter.He is a good person but this time he is in error a bit. Jimmy Carter and Kofi Anan and Tutu between themselves have enough clout to ask the UN to look into the situation and give emergency aid in the form of food,medicine and other items of assistance.I do not beleive the council of elders should by making statements from an adjacent country .I hope that things improve in Rhodesia...........As an aside issue this is a forum people are given the priveledge to make a comment and this is not a forum set up to attack others views and opinions.Everyone has a right to have a view and an opinion and to ostrasize someone for that is exactly one of the factors in the Rhodesian equation being played out at this time

I have always been proud of being an African, and honestly, I have cherished people -like Mugabe - who have fought for Africa's independence in the past. That said, it is deeply regretable that the same Mugabe himself has translated into something far worst than colonialism. Is this guy not seeing the problems and hardship his people are going through? What can he do now at 80 years of age and half dead that he could not have done in his half century old of his country's leadership? Is he not prepared to be like Nelson Mandela, by showing grace and statemanship and guardance to younger leadership of Zimbabweans?

Mugagbe's recent action of banning people like Kofi Annan, Graca Machel and Jimmy Carter proves that he is more than a tyrant and that he is responsible for everything negative in Zimbabwe. If you (Mugagbe) do not have anything to hide, I thing Annan of all people would be allowed to see what is going on. Kofi Annan has indicated himself as a special type of outstanding African who is not power-greed and can not be bought by anybody. To turn Annan down from entering a wrenched and failed nation like Zimbabwe proves it all.

But many of us in the West are not surprised. As Africans, we are also very ashamed. Why should Africa be one of the regions where political instability consistently persist? Well, I guess allowing people like Mugagbe to go scout free is all responsible.

Mbeki, you are contributing to everything that has been going negative in Zimbabwe. Your support and blind loyalty to crooked like Mugagbe is one main reason why he is still commiting myhem against his people. I do not understand how you comrade Mbeki - who fought subjugation, racism, poverty and powergreedness and power -concentration against white rule is allowing a black man, another African like Mugagbe to subjugate his own people and you still call him comrade as well as protect his ambition and greed. This guy has been president from 1980 when some of us were not born, or were kids. Is he not tired? 65 is a standard retirement age, 70 is when you are strong. He is now 80 plus, what else.

Comrade Mbeki, you are becoming a shame and sham on the way you tend to deal with Mugagbe. Comrade Mbeki, many of us that support and admired you are now thinking that you have failed to nurture the type of trans-generational leadership of elders that Mandela was trying to build by allowing you (Mbeki) to succceed him as South Africa's second democratic president. Your actions in Zimbabwe could justify reasons why the ANC's decision to dash you out from power.

I am a Liberian, and one who respected and love you, comrade Mbeki. But your stance on Mugagbe in recent period proves nothing from what all other failed African leadership have and continue to do. Please Comrade Mbeki, restore your reputation by telling dictator Mugagbe to respect the rule of law and democracy. If there is one thing we can boost about your leadership, comrade Mbeki, that would be that you respected the wishes of your people when they asked that you step down. Many of us were annoyed when that happened but we thought you set a good example by doing so - that power is for the people for an individual. Unfortunately, your brother Mugagbe does not see it that way and you are supporting and fueling his desire.

SUGGESTION:

Mugagbe is no different from Charles Taylor. People like Mugagbe, just as Taylor of Liberia now in prison in the Hague, had been in Liberia, only listens to one thing - and that is counter - violence. Mugagbe must go by every means including the use of force. Tyrants listen to nothing other than brute force. We, as Africans, can not sit idle to see this one greedy man destroy an entire nation and people.

FORCE BY ANY MEANS IS THE WAY OUT FOR MUGAGBE AND WE MUST APPLY THAT NOW. FOR ALL THOSE SUPPORTING MUGABE IN HIS FAKE GOVERNMENT, BE CAREFUL. LEARN LESSONS FROM MOBUTO, HIS FAMILY AND CORHORTS OF ZAIRE, TAYLOR OF LIBERIA AND OTHER LIKE -MINDED TYRANTS AND DICTATORS. ALL STICKS ARE NOW ON THE TABLE TO FORCE MUGAGBE OUT AND WE WILL DO SO BY ALL MEANS NECESSARY. IF HE HATES BRITAIN AND THE WEST, THE PEOPLE DYING OF HUNGER IN ZIMBABWE ARE NOT BRITISH, EUROPEANS OR AMERICANS. THEY ARE ZIMBABWEANS AND AFRICANS. SO WE AS AFRICANS MUST ACT JOINTLY.

TAYLOR OF LIBERIA COULD NOT LISTEN TO DECENCY, BUT THE INTERNATIONAL COOMUNITY DID NOT BELIEVE IT UNTIL HE (TAYLOR) PROVE OTHERWISE. WHAT TAYLOR LISTENED TO WAS A COUNTER -FORCE AND TODAY HE IS IN PRISON. MUGAGBE IS LIKE TAYLOR TAYLOR RIGHT NOW. SO HE MUST BE FORCED OUT AND THE PROCESS MUST START NOW.

For the first time Mugabe did a wise thing keeping that treachorous dog Carter out ! Ironical , is it not , when Cde. Sithole and Muzorewa were trying to form a peaceful government in the 70's , this imbecile Carter , insisted on including the pouting half Malawian Mugabe in the process and would not even talk to or acknowledge the moderates. Now his choice has come home to roost and his dear brother Mugabe has refused him entry ! Well done Mr. Mugabe , it is the first good move you have ever made , keeping that skunk Carter , who helped put you and your disgusting people in power, out of Zimbabwean affairs ! Funnily enough , the late great Cde. Samora Machel , hated Mugabe and kept him under house arrest for 2 years ! Sadly , all of the politics , past and present , hurt the average poor Zimbabwean and my heart goes out to them.

It is clear that the so-called ‘Elders’ were not barred. However, there was no way the Zim govt could have allowed snakes like Kofi Annan and Desmond Tutu into our house. Of all the ‘Elders’ the two are the enemies of the people of Zimbabwe. Their roles, actions and utterances have directly contributed to the suffering we are going through today.

While he was UN Secretary General, Kofi Annan said nothing about the sanctions that were imposed on Zimbabwe. Instead, he and his officials were used by imperialists in their regime change agenda. Annan himself never at any one time condemned America and Britain for imposing sanctions on our people. Annan helped to strengthen the case for sanctions by sending teams which were disguised as UN and yet they were doing the bidding for the UK and USA. Remember that whore, Tabaijuka (who sits on the Blair Commission) who came to Zimbabwe under cover of the UN and ‘produced’ a damning report that resulted in sanctions being imposed on Zimbabwe.

We all know that the report had long been written by MI5/MI6 agents and Tabaijuka acknowledged as much after the Zim govt questioned aspects of her report. As if that was not enough, Annan dispatched Egland, the former UN Humanitarian Chief, and again a damning report was produced and we all know what happened after that – Zimbabweans are now dying in their thousands because of the sanctions that followed.

Not once during his term as Secretary General did Annan travel to Zimbabwe to see for himself the situation in our country. At one time President Mugabe invited him to come and make his own assessment but he refused, although we all know that this is the time he could have made a difference. Today, when he has no influence and when he is not representing anyone, Annan purports to be a saviour and yet we know that his aim is to strengthen the case for sanctions and for the regime change agenda. What laughable hypocrisy.

At every opportunity Koffi Annan speaks negative of President Mugabe, the SADC appointed mediator and has advocated for the removal of President Mbeki so that he himself could be appointed mediator when he knows nothing about the history of Zimbabwe. Annan is an agent of imperialists and so will not and should not be allowed to enter Zimbabwe hiding behind the so-called Elders.

As for the devil Bishop, we all know his stance on Zimbabwe. He has prayed for the death of President Mugabe. He has demonized the country and some of his statements have helped to strengthen the case for sanctions and he has himself personally advocated for regime change in our country. As one who is also being fronted by imperialists he is not welcome in Zimbabwe.

The same cannot be said of our beloved sister and mother, Madam Graca Machel. She can come any time she feels like as long as she is not shielding the two devils - Annan and Tutu. We consider her Zimbabwean and recognize the role played by Mozambique as a country, her late President, Comrade Samora Moises Machel and her own role as the First Lady, in the liberation of our country. There is, therefore, no restriction as to when she can come to Zimbabwe for whatever purpose, be it visiting, the so-called humanitarian assessment or even to stay.

The same goes for President Jimmy Carter who is welcome to travel to Zimbabwe, in person or through his Carter Centre Foundation, at any time as long as proper arrangements are made prior to undertaking the journey. It should be remembered that it was during Jimmy Carter’s presidency that Zimbabwe got its independence. The Carter administration was instrumental in breaking the impasse at the Lancaster House talks when his govt pledged, through Andrew Young, to make funds available for the purchase of farms from white commercial farmers as Zimbabwe was not going to pay for the stolen land. Had Carter remained in power, the problem we have today would not be there.

what does it matter if any of them have been critical of the regime? the regime cant take any criticism?

africa oh africa please let us co-operate because we're talking of lives here. i'm tired of hearing africa the poorest continent in the world. we can help the situation now so why don't we. lets put differences behind. it's enough to hear that we suffer from malnutrition. leaders have love in ur heart for your people.u're eatin while others don't even have a good lunch as their only meal everyday. doesn't it concern u all. if it doesn't then why dont u ask urself why u chose to be a leader. have love for ur people. why watch them suffer. you can't help ND U WON'T allow others to. hey where is the love. for the records i am 15 years old and i love africa and want to see its people happy. i am tired of seeing the young suffering. i am tired of blood. i don't enjoy being a citizen of the poorest continent in the world when i know we are smart enough to make a change. one person cannot do that so that takes us back to the beginning we have to co-operate. youngsters don't giv up. if nobody believes in you i do. i know that you can do it. th world needs you.do not dissapoint it. peace africa frm nigeria

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Ride on, Comrade Mugabe. Mind you, Annan was in charge of the UN Peacekeeping operations yet Rwanda Genocide occurred under his watch - his reward for the millions of Africans' blood on his hands is the UN Secretary Generalship - I guess that is what it takes to ingratiate oneself to the whiteman - sell out for a mess of porridge. With brothers like Kofi, who needs enemies? As for the said “Council of Elders” that consists of Western stooges like Tutu, Machel (I don’t want to mention Mandela because at 90+ years old his mind is beginning wither), that council was created by British musician Bono and another western media clown. In my many years on this earth, I have never heard of a western musician selecting African elders for the African people, what an affront!!! And the so-called “Elders” that allowed their names to be paraded as such should be ASHAMED of themselves - it diminishes them and whatever principple they stand for, in other words, it makes them uneffective in even discussing African issues with Africans, period.

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The truth hurt; Mugabe and his gangs will rather deal with the discredited powerless Mbeki but not the well respected Elder.

A BUNCH OF PSYCHOPATHS! THIS IS THE TWENTY-FIRST CENTIRY JACKS! IMPOSTERS LIKE MR. KOFI ANNAN, MRS. MACHEL MANDELA, DES TUTU, AND WHOEVER ELSE "ADVOVATES FOR THE RIGHTS OF CHILDREN AND WOMEN" SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN PARADING AROUND WITH SLAVE ORDERS TO "INVESTIGATE THE PLIGHT OF ORDINARY ZIMBABWEANS".

OUR ADVISE TO THESE SLAVE OVERSEERS AND THEIR IGNORANT CHEER LEADING TEAMS: SPEND YOUR GOOD TIMES, ENERGIES, AND RESOURCES TO PRESS YOUR SLAVE MASTERS TO LIFT THE ILLEGAL SANCTIONS AGAINST THESE POOR ORDINARY ZIMBABWEANS!!!! THERE AGAIN AND RATHER UNFORTUNATELY, THESE TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY ZOMBIES CANNOT SEE NOR UNDERSTAND ANYTHING COMING FROM THEIR OWN KIND, EXCEPT FROM THE SLAVE MASTER.

I hope everyone throughout the world now realise how much of a monster the Zimbabwean people are facing in Mugabe. I urge all those who have had doubts about Mugabe's dictatorship and total disregard for human life to please rethink and act in a way which ensures this monster is not allowed to continue lying that he is representing Zimbabwe. The aged man has no support back home except from the few who illegally benefit from his dictatorship and outright wickedness. Elder talks from experience when appealing for help on behalf of the oppressed and deprived in Zimbabwe.

OK.

1) Zimbabwe is a sovereign country and thus it has the sovereign right to determine who enters the country. USA and UK exercise their rights now and then with respect to certain individuals - especially from Kenya.

2) Those banned individuals mostly act as a "fifth column" - to promote the imperial interests of the foreign whites. They were involved in Kenya's bloody elections and its aftermath early this year. Shameful. Their involvement was NEITHER in the interests of Kenyans NOR the long-term stability of Kenya or Africa.

Note: The three clowns are not condemning the sanctions the west has imposed on Zimbabwe which have resulted in considerable hardships to the African - as if they don't comprehend - which they probably don't - the mechanisms that are currently creating a meltdown in the economies of the western countries of their handlers.

Again, our kudos to the people of maZimbabwe for their vigilance against the hyenas that urinate upstream to scatter the herd downstream.

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Mugabe is an elderly person.He is also apparently tweisted minded person .The average person of a clear mind ,in the twilight years, would step down(retire) and sit back and wait for nature to take its course.The other person the opposition leader though a bit younger than Mugabe has the same type of mind set as Mugabe.as evidence by his persistance in trying to assume the seats of power.The question gravitate to exactly what are you governing:Zimbabwe is a Failed State.The country is in a state of turmoil with collapse of infra structure.Now contrast that to the state of affairs with Rhodesia when it existed.I beleive that the problem lie with the people and in the case of Zimbabwe the leaders came from the majority.Rhodesia the leaders managed things better.

Well. 1) There is a raging financial meltdown in USA. Does Carter have a solution? If he does, the USA and the EU need him urgently. If he does not, then why does he think he has one for the Africans - which the Africans can't arrive at by themselves?

2) "There is a humanitarian crisis in Zimbabwe" 30 million people are starving in USA. Does Carter have a solution? Can Carter suggest to his government that instead of spending US$10,000,000,000 a month raping and killing the Iraqi, that money can better be used elsewhere? In USA even!

3) If Carter cannot intercede with his USA regarding the invasion of Iraq and the epic "humanitarian crisis" brought about by that aggression, then why does he rush to impress Zimbabwe and Cde Mugabe? Is this a case of a "superiority complex" whereby he is trying to show the native who is boss?

4) It may be remembered that Tutu thought that his foreign Nobel Prize gave him some leverage with the Americans with regard to Iraq aggression. He got nowhere and he QUIETLY withdrew. But (religious) he is determined to compete LOUDLY with (political) Cde Mugabe. Who voted for Tutu? Does Tutu nurse an inferiority complex perhaps arising from a colonial hangover?

5) In view of the meltdown in USA and the current hardships engulfing the country, does Carter now appreciate the meltdown in Zimbabwe and the resulting "humanitarian crisis" was brought about by the tight financial sanctions applied by the USA and the EU countries? If he does, where is his bleeding heart? Why can't he intercede with the USA on humanitarian grounds?

6) After all, if the Zimbabweans are on the wrong path, they will have problems even without the sanctions from the USA and EU. Right, Mr Carter? So, why can't the foreigners leave Zimbabwe alone? Why do the foreigners and their local lackeys try to propose to the native of Zimbabwe that the foreigners have the solutions? Indeed the foreigners' Kenya and Haiti are facing just as dire or worse humanitarian crises as Zimbabwe.

7) There is a "humanitarian crisis" in Congo. And in Sudan. Over a quarter of the population of Kenya is starving - while posturing Kibaki and his MP cronies loot the people's tilly of tax-revenue. Last time we heard of Carter he was in Kenya monitoring the elections and he wouldn't come out strongly for the winner who was denied the victory - primarily by Carter's USA.

The scandalous involvement of these 'elders' in the simmering situation in Kenya makes us wonder: Why does Africa tolerate their posturing that is so publicly heralded by the foreigners and their media?

8) So Mrs Machel tell us that there is a "humanitarian crisis" in Zimbabwe and at the same time, she applauds South Africa for withholding humanitarian relief to Zimbabwe. And she calls for more comprehensive cut-off of supplies from South Africa and the neighboring countries into Zimbabwe. Can that elder see a connection between the humanitarian crisis and the shortage of relief supplies? What is of greater interest to her - relieving the raging "humanitarian crisis" or pitting her political clout against Cde Mugabe's?

I mean, aren't 'elders' supposed to have some sense? And forthrightness? And if these three elders do, then we suppose that some other consideration takes precedence over forthrightness and the interests of the African native. Whose interests are they taking care of? Somehow, the part played by foreign powers in sabotaging Africa and in the various humanitarian crises in Africa is SUPPOSEDLY unknown to these "elders" or deliberately glossed over. Who needs them?

Definitely not the sons of Shaka. Not the people of Lobengula. Not the proud offsprings of Waa Asantewa. And not the proud people of the Pharaohs..

These "Elders" are just going to say the exact same thing that the UN and West has been saying all along, they aren't going to accomplish anything or help anyone. They should be going to Washington DC and trying to relieve Zimbabwe of sanctions, not walking around Zimbabwe trying to turn Africa against Zimbabwe.

And this was, once again, blown way out of proportion as they weren't "banned" from Zimbabwe. They just don't get to decide when they can enter Zimbabwe as they so arrogantly assumed. They'll need to wait until the Zimbabwe government approves their visas.

The only reason this little common thug has stopped these respected people from entering the country is out of embarrassment given what he and his incompetent zanu thieves have turned the country into. I mean, who of us would want important visitors if we had no food to feed them, the lights were out due to unpaid bills, and the only water available to drink was swimming with faeces?? So in this instance the little common criminal shows he does have a little bit of pride....pity he cant exercise some of it in behalf of his fellow countryfolk he is rapidly consigning to an early and painful death...!!!!

Dead wrong, dude.

The real thugs are the children of the West---Tutu and Rape Africa, LLC---who think that Africans are fools; who, in absolute ignorance, dare to believe, boneheadedly I might add, that they can pull the wool over the eyes of a militant generation of Africans.

They have been exposed as runners of Western interests in Africa, pushers of Western rhetorical dope.

And, that includes Mandela, the party boy.

Regards from Harare, where we draw the line in steel between slavery to the West and freedom from the West.

Geezers in bunkum! 'Elders' my pinkie!