Mugabe is playing the wait till you die game. I kept getting surprised why and how Kamuzu Banda created so much fear even as he got so old and senile that he could not even walk. It is because world leaders assume that any leader serves his people, even when the opposite is abundantly clear. Mugabe is one such senile and dying dictator. He wants as many people as posisble to die before him. He vowed an X cannot change things, and in their naivety world leaders thought he was joking. He will always have his way unless everyone sees him for who he is - a man-killing dictator. We know people are dying in dozens from Cholera and that Zimbabweans need help, even from UN security council - bacause a nation is at risk. Yet Mugabe is prepared and allowed to say no to the world's most respected coming in to help.

At the very core of the Zimbabwe "problem" is Mbeki. He has consistantly sided with Mugabe in every decision. Mugabe feels safe in continuing his actions because he knows Mbeki will back him 100%. Remove Mbeki from the equation and suddenly things will begin to fall into place. And please, forget this idea of a unity government. Who in their wildest dreams ever thought such an idea would actually work? People who hate each other will never work as a team. One side will prove stronger and destroy the other side. Oh,,,isn't that what happend two decades ago in Zimbabwe? How history repeats itself!

Well done for that accurate assessment..that murdering little thug whose hands are dripping with the blood of his countryfolk needs to be put before a firing squad asap..along with the other thieving murdering zanu thugs...all of them..including that murdering chief of police and that murdering perence shiri..the whole lot...we need to rid zimbabwe of the cancer of these murderers before we can start afresh...only then can there be talk of a "unity" govt...ie..the people united behind a legitimate govt!

I most certainly agree with you whole heartedly it’s impossible to work with ZANUPF because they are a unilateral party which neither understands team work or negotiations. The main problem we have are these gangsters namely Perence Shiri, an accomplished serial killer handpicked by Mugabe himself. How then can you have a legitimate government with such people on “the driver’s sit”? Again I will reiterate the sole reason Mugabe removed white commanders from the Army, Police and Air force was so he could operate without impunity. We need a system in which Rhodesians are allowed to manage the some of the security apparatus to guarantee peace and security to everyone if not then we need a buffer zone starting at lalapanzi cutting across east all the way into Chipinge and the west all the way up to Hwange. Zanu can take anything north of lalapanzi and all the freedom loving people will stay south. This is the conclusion I came too, who has time to figure out Mugabe or spend time arguing with Zanu supporters, recent election have attested that ZANU are the minority who revert to violence when things do not work for them.

I was listening to the BBC Network this morning when I heard some people have started blaming Morgan for his stubborness to cooperate with Mugabe.I want the people of Zimbabwe to realise that Morgan should not be castigated for being too selfish or oblivious to their sufferings.Mugabe and his cohort should not be trusted.You can see from the simple fact that they altered certain sections of the Agreement is a manifestation that they are only signing because they are pushed.Morgan has seen this and he his taking his time not to get into that trap because if he gets it wrong and ZANU-PF maintain their usual grip then you will go back to square one.Be patient.You have suffered for too long but not any longer from now.Mugabe and ZANU-PF are going trust me.It is just a matter of short time.

Morgan is certainly to blame because people voted for him to change things but he is refusing to do so - he withdrew from the runoff and denied people the chance to vote Mugabe out, claiming he was doing this for the people's welfare. Now he has a chance to work for the people's welfare but then he refuses advice from SADC and the Elders to get on with the job of changing things from inside the government. He now wants a fresh election when there is little chance of that being free and fair. So what exactly does this man stand for - the welfare of the people or just plain power? Certainly not the interests of the ordinary people.

If Morgan had run the second election or if he signed the agreement without a balanced sharing of power, the MDC would be history by now. Just as Nkomo and Zapu were, back in the day. This previously successful strategy of Cde Mugabe's is not working this time - due only to the will and backbone of the brave men and women of the MDC, who must not cave into the immense pressures on them by short-sighted SADC members for a 'quick fix', regardless of the horrific woes of our country. The only leverage there is for change lies within an external economic rescue plan, which will require evidence of a democratic process honouring the MDC win last March being upheld, before any donor assistance arrives. The cynical arguments implying that the Elders, Carter in particular, have some kind of political regime-change plot up their sleeve bear no weight as even South Africa sees the risk of parting with substantial amounts of aid money within this climate of top-down oppression. At the end of the day, I wonder if the ordinary Zimbabwean cares who sent the food they need to prevent their children from starving or the medicines they need to stop them from dying needlessly before their eyes. Humanitarian assistance is a-political and for the writer of the article to suggest that it should not be accepted by Zimbabwe in this terrible hour of need is beyond comprehension. In fact Mugabe should not feel that he has the right to decide on such issues a the Elders visit at all, as he is not the legitimate leader of the nation. And if this toxic regime continues to prevent the people from receiving help they should all be tried for genocide, regardless of safeguards already agreed upon.

Surely you can not be that stupid. Morgan is trying to do the best he can with the limited resources he has with regard to power in ZIM. If Mugabe and regime stepped aside today and let Morgan and party control, Zim, this time next year would be in much better shape. The world would step in and Zim would move forward and i think you would find very few starving because it will be a totally new outlook for the country!

If you have a national football team captian and players that keep loosing because they hate the coach and administration, do you sack your finest players or do you sack the coach and administration !! The later if you ever want to win and this goes along the same lines with Mugabage and regime! Sack them and hang them!

I am quite sure this time Zanu PF will be serious as current events here in Zimbabwe will not be tenable through arrogance and self serving stunts. I am sure it is the last chance that Mugabe has to ensure a smooth transfer of our liberties to self-determine and rebuild this country. This kind of ill-advised jamboree of blaming everyone who opposes selfish political stunts is pulling this country to uncharted waters ever known to humankind. Time is nigh to stop the rot

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And your evidence for this silly and boneheaded diatribe against the Great Fighter?

Now, if a man with a brain soaking in whatever you called it can send your hero MT, the sprinter, to high fly it to his neo-imperialist masters in Paris, then, even if Mugage is not fit to rule the great people of Zimbabwe, then, HOLY OF HOLIES, it is perspicuous that MT would drag Zimbabwe to the greedy houses of loot of the reaction in Paris and other centers of neo-African infiltration.

Fighters don't run: they hold their ground and nook it out.

Cheers.

keep talking mate, you're just making it easier for us to realise what an idiot you are...

You are entitled to your opinion, but the facts, dude NEVER: call me an "idiot" bla, bla, bla---water off of a duck's back, homey. Ain't fazed. Nada. You feel me, MT tail?

And, en passant, I can objectively hang predicates on the locution 'tail' by methodologically excavating all your postings---rantings, actually, they are--- on the Great African Fighter: Cdr. MUGABE, the 'Western' African neo-imperialist hammer in Harare.

More evidence of idiocy, you riposte? Then, dude, it takes two, does it not?

Highest Regards.

Dude, wake up and smell the coffee, preferably kenyan brand: you are the ectlich idiot, otherwise you wouldn't be a tail of that Father of Idiocy: MT.

Do you see how easy it is to return an insult with an insult, only mine attaches, and fits like a T?

Grow up, dude: reason, not rant!

Regards.

Dude, wake up and smell the coffee, preferably kenyan brand: you are the ectlich idiot, otherwise you wouldn't be a tail of that Father of Idiocy: MT.

Do you see how easy it is to return an insult with an insult, only mine attaches, and fits like a T?

Grow up, dude: reason, not rant!

Regards.

jallohlaw What kind of weed do you smoke ? Do you not see your brethreen being burned alive in SA, see them falling enmass to cholera, see them begging and prostituting them selves in other countries much poorer than Zim. You blame western nations and sanctions, Rhodesia had sanctions imposed on it, yet life was good. Because of your greatleader you brothers are dying at an alarming rate.

Syphillis must also be ravaging jallohlaw's mind and nerves. How could he claim Mugabe is a fighter? Does he mean Mugabe is leading a fight to exterminate Zimbos by spreading famine and cholera?

Mugabe is just a murderer, a lunatic, an imposter; someone who should be sent to the gallows!

He is already in the dustbin of history.

MY PEOPLE, MY PEOPLE! ARE WE LIVING IN THE TWENTY-FIRST OR THE EIGHTEENTH CENTIRY? HARD AS IT SEEMS, THOUGH QUITE UNDERSTANDABLE, MR. KOFI ANNAN, MRS. MACHEL MANDELA, DES TUTU, AND WHOEVER ELSE PARADING AROUND IN THEIR SLAVE MINDSETS "INVESTIGATING THE PLIGHT OF ORDINARY ZIMBABWEANS", AND THE “DETERIORATING HUMANITARIAN SITUATION IN ZIMBABWE GETTING WORSE OR EXPLODING OUGHT TO KNOW BETTER! OUR ADVISE TO THESE POLISHED STATES PERSONS OR SLAVE OVERSEERS AND THEIR CHEER LEADING TEAMS: SPEND YOUR GOOD ENERGIES AND RESOURCES TO PRESS YOUR SLAVE MASTERS TO LIFT THE ILLEGAL SANCTIONS AGAINST THESE POOR ORDINARY ZIMBABWEANS!!!! THERE AGAIN AND RATHER UNFORTUNATELY, THESE TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY ZOMBIES CANNOT SEE NOR UNDERSTAND ANYTHING COMING FROM THEIR OWN KIND, EXCEPT FROM THE SLAVE MASTER.

South Africans and Exiled Zimbabweans need to support this call from Ex-President Carter. Despite the Feeds and Blogs on the humanitarian situation inside Zimbabwe....nobody seems to grasp the scale of the catastrophe.

There is a whole generation of Children destined to have their lives cut short by this "Regime"

Make your voices heard...Lobby your Governments.. and most importantly...stop Zanoids from defending these gross activities on any Blog you enter.

God Bless...

C'mon! Even Jimmy Carter is coming out against ZANU-PF/Mugabe! Didn't he go to North Korea (as a stooge) to meet with Kim Jong Il? Is Zimbabwe locked in such a straight-jacket as North Korea was? When a government is so truly afraid of it's position they won't even let in a limp-wrister like Jimmy Carter into the country (Friend of Kim Jong Il, Hugo Chavez, Yasser Arafat, etc.......)

When you bar Jimmy Carter from the country, you must be really f@&%'ing things up - he usually shows up to denounce the imperialist, capitalist, West - I'm glad he's in Africa, so he can't be here.............

When you decide that Jimmy Carter, of ALL people, is dangerous to your situation, then, "you got bigger problems than we thought!".

Just what sort of "company" do you want ZANU-PF?". If you can't stomach Jimmy Carter, then you aren't liable to do much better with any other "visitor".

"Total Empowerment!"

No, Jimmy Carter is wrong to make such strongly partisan political statements when his mission was supposed to be apolitical and humanitarian. He has confirmed that Mugabe's suspicions were justified. Why does he not make the obvious observation that the MDC is as much to blame as ZanuPF - they asked for SADC to arbitrate and now they do not want the arbitrator's decision. And what is their power base? The people's suffering!

Carter helped create the situation in Zimbabwe in the 70's when he refused to accept a government of moderates , insisting that Mugabe be included despite Mugabe's anti peace stance ! Who can take this moron Carter seriously , serves him right that Mugabe refused him entry . Elder statesman ? I think not ! Carter has the blood of 28000 Matabeles from the gukhurundi on his hands !

Time will take care of Mugabe.The most germane question now is what can be done for the people in the form of food,medicines,shelter and diease prevention.Rhodesia is a failed state.The U.N. perhaps is ineffectual in this situation simply because there are several large humanitarian diasters being unfolded on the world stage///RIGHT NOW.Carter,by his elogent speeches, may have made the country beginning --Right Now --inacessable to any type of aid.The next step for Carter and his friends is to approach the UN.Carter has made it appear to Mugabe just what Mugabe was suspecting ----The council of elders had a political agenda. that came out when carter lashed out against the present ruling body.I dont beleive that carter should pontificate from South Africa his views on Rhodesia.Quo Vidas---The UN should be asked to intervene by the council of elders and this would mean humanitarian relief would be sent.Most NGOS are ineffectual(thats another pandoras box) but in this instance all NGOS should be asked to assist by sending humanitarian aid only.This is the wrong time of the year to ask for aid fron the first world countries simply because of the money situation world wide.Mugabe may one day soon face the world court for wilful mis governance.I wonder if Mugabe has got an age associated brain dysfunction

When will you give up the goofy notion that there is an entity on planet earth called "Rhodesia"?

You are on the money on one point though: "Rhodesia [was] a failed state." The xenophobic and brutal structure was smashed by the guns of Mugabe and others.

Not a bad payback for the thief and British IMPERIALIST CECIL RHODES.

Cheers

Notice that jallohlaw says Rhodesia was a failed state - agreed. What he fails to mention though, (of course) is that Zimbabwe has failed beyond epic proportions.

He, and other house boys of coward Mugabe, will never admit that as least in Rhodesia, people ate, the average life span for the population was higher, the infrastructure was solid, the land yielded a rich harvest and people were employed.

I am obviously not saying that I agreed with the politics of Rhodesia, and I partied that night in 1980 when I knew we would all have equal rights. I was wrong about that. It turns out that no body has rights in Zimbabwe.

You see, the problem with jallohlaw and his kind is that, no matter how desperate and failed Zimbabwe has become, and no matter how much Zimbabweans suffer, they will never criticize coward Mugabe.

They are his stooges...his accomplices in this crime against humanity. They fear democracy, because that would mean accountability, and they never want to be held responsible for all the crimes they have committed against the Zimbabwean population.

So, when you read their propoganda posts on here, understand their motive, but also understand that ultimately, they will be held accountable, and democracy and justice will one day prevail.

Now, let's be civil and reason together on this matter.

You are free to characterize my support for the Great African Fighter, Cdr. MUGABE, anyway you want. That shows that I am, at least, not antagonistic to the bourgeois ideological projection of "freedom of speech."

Thus, you cannot logically sustain your charge that I and "other house boys of bla, bla, bla" are scarred of democracy or accountability. By the way, accountability is not the exlusive possession of democracy; other forms of government also have their forms of accountability. If you choose to privilege the bourgeois spin on "accountability", I, for one, will not stop you from doing that.

The issue in this thread is simple: obviously the answer to the question of the welfare of Zimbabweans under the Fascist regime of Smith can be answered if and only if one explicitly posits "evaluative criteria." A zillion times more ardous than THAT is the specification of the WARRANTS for any and all theorized criteria.

Needless to say that I have not seen any evidence of the two tasks in this thread.

Anyway, on a concrete level, it is misleading and dangerous, to boot, to think, Cdr. Mugabe is a "coward." Just a word of advice from one African to another.

HIGHEST CONSIDERATIONS, and remember---always---that we can disagree without being disagreeable.

See what I mean people ?

You ever read so much drivel that means absolutely nothing ?

House boy of coward mugabe.

He makes my point for me, better than I do.

If it is "drivel" it surely means something, namely, under your inability to understand or refusal to understand, "drivel." Be that as it may, since you found it inconvenient to ground your silly characterization, I shall warmly appropriate the privilege of hurling a riposte: you are an unlettered obscurantist, by which I mean: incapble of policy analysis without resorting to vacuous and silly name calling which, as every schoolboy knows, can always be returned with interest, compounded or simple.

Accordingly, there is no point interacting with you in the realm of seasoned reflection. Did you understand that, dude?

More significantly, I urge you to call the the GLORIOUS WARRIOR a "coward" to his face. He is easily accessible in Harare.

Now, allez, fifth columnist!

Regards.

They certainly make it easy for us to see what idiots they are... or is it simply a case that you need to be an idiot to fall for the propaganda that Mugabe tries to blind people with?

Which people, dude? You mean I suppose your neo-imperialists tails behind MT, the quitter.

Listen here, obscurantist supreme: I'd rather be "a house boy," (which I certainly ain't) of the Great Fighter, the unmoveable bastion of African resistance to neo-European imperialisms, Cdr. MUGABE, than be a tail of a quitter, a spineless sprinter: YOUR MASTER in pimpdom: MT.

Beyond the historical figures in this narrative, you and I have different images of Africa's past, and thus, eidetically, her future.

You, regretably, are dazzled by bourgeois old wives tales; I am not. Too sophisticated for that wobbly brew of uncomprehended political concepts dressed in the attire of absolute truths. And, when these mendacious ideological constructs are strategically focused on a regime that has stood up to the origio of this clap trap, I DEFEND.

If that defense CONTINGENTLY attaches to a Giant of Africa, Cdr. MUGABE, thus it is, and shall remain.

And, there is nothing you can do about that, or do you imagine there is?

Verstehen Sie, renegade?

Have yet to see one logical statement from Jallow, just the usual diatribe, if any of these chaps could address the real issues of health and safty, or lack of it, in Zimbabwe rather than rant on about liberation leaders and anti imperialist claptrap that was in vogue 4 years ago.

Fight your own battles dude; don't drag in others into the pit of your hubris and obscurantism, house boy of the spineless MT.

Go sprint! That'll do wonders for your lethargic mind.

@jalhlaw

I have heard and taken part in a number of discussions with "Marxists" and without denigrating your beliefs, I should point out that your vocabulary is now 20 years out of date. Most pple on the Web now convey their ideas and thoughts in plain language. For example.

1....your use of the phrase..."Evaluative Criteria".....Why not say just say'..........Compare conditions under the Smith Regime.

2....The term WARRANTS..is misleading...do you mean .....A list of persons or organizations entitled to compare conditions under the Smith Regime?

Your point about Mr Mugabe not being a Coward and it being dangerous to assume he is must be taken seriously, as from his past actions it is very evident that he is. However...I always take comfort from the adage that "the bigger they are... The harder they fall". !!!!!

Mugabe and regime are the worst cowards on this planet. They are not men, they cry like girls when it suits them. I can guaranty Mugabe and regime have never stood hand to hand to fight a another male unless they have been beaten to a pulp first by 30 cowards. I can tell you the are cowards that will run when the day is close, rather than face the music they created. Mugabe and regime are typical coward thieves that will be wiped out of history forever in the near future. My greatest joy will be in 30 years to see nothing except disdain written about Mugabe and regime like is written about Hitler today. Mugabe and regime are scum that need to be wiped out and all there families{adults of today, as there kids need re-educating} exiled in poverty for every.

mancam_28, the issue of Rhodesia always creates it's own problems. Rhodesia, never real served 14 million people equally. It focused on white supremacy and dictotorship. Also, Rhodesia, like Zimbabwe under Mugabe, was very good at propaganda. Books have been written about Rhodesia that painted a blink futture for blacks.

The point to be made is most Zimbabweans looked to a better society, not in Rhodesia but Zimbabwe. This can still happen when Mugabe and his cronies are out of power. Zimbabwe may have failed beyond epic proportions, but the future lies not in Rhodesia (defeated nation) but a future Zimbabwe that is democratic. And that's what Tsvangirai is fighting for, not Rhodesia!

more rubbish

Mugabe does have a dysfunction. He's had syphilis for many years and it's rotted his brain! In his world, nothing is as it seems to others; Zimbabwe is his personal paradise that others want to take away from him and he's not going to let them; no matter how many people have to die.

Mr. Mugabe is damm wrong not to accept the help of the Elder, but yet before reaching any Judgement we have to understand How the elder could have used such Bad News about Zimbabwe. It is enough the Blamage done by Infiltrated Cnn and Bbc journalist who Report to Destroy not to Construct. I believe that if Mugabe will have the assurance that the Elder are doing this for an Humanatarian purpose he will grant them a Visa but to much Echo has been given to the Journey to Harare. I believe this Annoys Mugabe and his Entourage,.

@ Zim Patriot

Mugabe is not an elected official he is illegally staying in the state house hence the reason we want a free and fair election to avoid such a situation. Ian Smith stepped down after the elections why can't Zanu do the same? Between you and me Mugabe has damaged us far much more than you can imagine who in his right mind will want to want to use our tourism industry or invest in commerce and trade. It’s not about Zanu or Mugabe it’s about the next generation of kids what are they going to inherit? Lawless will eventually create a Somalia like situation. THE DAMAGE HAS BEEN DOWN THANKS TO THIS MARXIST AND POSTER BOY OF THE CHINESE

Notice that jallohlaw says Rhodesia was a failed state - agreed. What he fails to mention though, (of course) is that Zimbabwe has failed beyond epic proportions.

He, and other house boys of coward Mugabe, will never admit that as least in Rhodesia, people ate, the average life span for the population was higher, the infrastructure was solid, the land yielded a rich harvest and people were employed.

I am obviously not saying that I agreed with the politics of Rhodesia, and I partied that night in 1980 when I knew we would all have equal rights. I was wrong about that. It turns out that no body has rights in Zimbabwe.

You see, the problem with jallohlaw and his kind is that, no matter how desperate and failed Zimbabwe has become, and no matter how much Zimbabweans suffer, they will never criticize coward Mugabe.

They are his stooges...his accomplices in this crime against humanity. They fear democracy, because that would mean accountability, and they never want to be held responsible for all the crimes they have committed against the Zimbabwean population.

So, when you read their propoganda posts on here, understand their motive, but also understand that ultimately, they will be held accountable, and democracy and justice will one day prevail.

Violet Gonda, i was wonderng how you get your awards now i know.

For all your critisism of Rhodesia, you morons , there would never have been a Zimbabwe without a Rhodesia ! Do you really think anyone of you could have built and infrastructure like that ? Of course not , you would still be herding goats dying of disease.Damned missionaries and settlers gave you lot medicines and helped you , now the rest of us in the world must bear the brunt of African ineptness ! In thirty years you have shown nothing , I mean nothing to anyone in the world except what morons you are . Everything went to hell. Now cholera , I suppose evil westerners are causing that problem too ? Face facts , you lot could destroy anything with your ignorance. So all your stupid comments about Rhodesia just show how low of an intelligence level you have. You deserve Mugabe ! Just a shame the average Zimbabwean has to suffer !

The world doesn't need the warning from the Elders to know that the situation in Zimbabwe has reached near a catastrophic collapse. And the calls by the South African leaders, who have a sumo clout in the region, to the leaders of Zimbabwe to negotiate is quite hypocritical.

Robert Mugabe has made the decision to go to his grave as president -even though he lost the last elections - no matter what happens to the people of Zimbabwe most of whom are at the point of starvation. The past negotiations of Mugabe with the MDC failed because Mugabe wants only a figure-head prime minister to take the post and the blame for Zimbabwe's ills, while he can stay above with his failed camarilla of comrades and avoid the finger-pointing that they are getting now for the collapsed all Zimbabwean social ills.

Zimbabwe needs a resurrection, not a government face lift that will only perpetuate Mugabe's abysmally failed leadership under the pretext of a cosmetic power sharing. Mugabe must be forced to concede all power, but allowed to remain a figure-head titular president - just for the sake of his ego. All other options on Zimbabwe will fail if they put Mugabe's egomaniac lunacy ahead of the interests and survival of all the people of Zimbabwe. More negotiation with the intransigent Mugabe will be meaningless, as past negotiations have proved. Now the South African states must push Robert Mugabe aside. The starving people of Zimbabwe cannot wait forever. Nikos Retsos, retired professor