The herald is trumpeting the issue of acceptance by MDC with respect to the SADC decision.Would ZANU-PF had accepted the same decision if it was against them?I guess not becoz even before the meeting was held, Mugabe and his hench men were saying any decision from SADC is not a mandate but a mere recommendation which might or might not be implemented.It is this same people that are now giving this decision the kind of strength they had earlier on questioned.Go to hell ZANU-PF!!! It is not MDC who are pushing their luck but you.Morgan will stand to his gun and you go hang.

Mmm...lets see if I understand this? Prior to the SADC summit zanu-pf and the Herald went to some length to let us know that whatever was the decision by SADC it only amounted to a recommendation and that the parties were not obligated to accept that recommendation. Now, all of a sudden, this decision is treated as something sacrosanct.

Subsequently,the judicial tribunal of SADC, which has the authority of a court,has ruled that the confisfaction of 78 farms from white farmers in Zimbabwe breaches the civil rights of these farmers and should be rescinded. To this ruling Zanu-pf has said get lost, we will do what we want to do.

No. Sorry I'm still confused. Obviously I need to have a brain like 'hollowjaw'or whatever his name is to make sense of this.

Unfortunately many of the people who post these comments are fanatical loyalists who either worship Mugabe or Tsvangirayi and see nothing wrong in their hero or anything good in their opponent. In the process the silent majority remains voiceless. The truth is that both Mugabe and Tsvangirayi have let the people down - Mugabe by betraying the people's revolution through greed and incompetence and Tsvangirayi through abuse of the change mandate he is refusing to use for the people's good. Mercifully history is on the side of the ordinary people - they shall govern as the ANC's famous slogan goes. We see hope in the democracy now prevailing in South Africa.

The truth is, neither Mugabe nor Tsvangirayi can stop the decline and coming fall of Zimbabwe. The "liberation heroes," including but not limited to merely Mugabe, engineered it, and even if Mugabe himself repudiated every single action he took on national TV tomorrow, and even swore to give back all the farms to the Rhodesians, the other "liberation heroes" would just kill him and continue destroying Zimbabwe without hesitation. If Tsvangirayi was made god-king of Zimbabwe tomorrow, he could not stop it either, because the infrastructure that once supported Zimbabwe and is now being ripped apart by the "liberation heroes" took 120 years to build, and will take 120 years to rebuild, and the only choice the long-suffering people of Zimbabwe will have in the interim is to starve and die until their population is reduced to what it was 120 years ago, before all the supporting infrastructure was built.

Mugabe and his other idiots never cease to amaze me.They want Tsvangirayi to accept what they would not accept shame on them Zimbabwe shall be free whether Didimus Mutasa likes it or not he will go with his old man all the way enough is enough.

In my opinion mr Mbeki wants to use his position as the leader of the SADC commission to solve the Zimbabwian crisis to pay a moral debt to Mugabe! Liberation mouvements and progressive groups did not have any legitimate mandate to represent their people otherwise they would not have faced oposition from within the same people,as such whether who suported them it does not matter!By trying to choose the MDC party's friends,you are clearly showing your camp! I do not think being the president of Zimbabwe today is a lucky deal for a real patriotic Zimbabwian!It is hell!Those of you who look at power from the stand point of what you will put in your pockets can say the MDC leader is trying his luck as if elections in Zimbabwe is lottery!You do not even respect the mandate that Zimbabwians gave to Tvsangarai which Mugabe with the complicity of some neighbours stole it! You will aggree with me that even within SADC,voices are being raced as to Mbeki's hornesty as a mediator in these crisis,does this mean any thing to you?!Some of you will want a rubber stamp arrangement so that Zimbabwe so sick and in comma as it is should die in the hands of the MDC leader,the patient should be handed to the new doctor under proper conditions!Do not forget that if the elections that took place in Zimbabwe are anything to go by then the legitimate president of the Zimbabwian people is the mdc lader!Who has to bow down now to who ?the winner or the looser?Who legitimately represents the people now?Tsvangarai is not just a normal person in Zimbabwe but the embodiment of a people!It will be a historic mistake for SADC to seat and see a different organisation solve the problem in Zimbabwe!Diplomacy is not philanthropy it is a game of interests; do not tell us that you are working free of charge for share pitty of your sick neighbour!Lies! some of you have huge business interets and are making arrangements (noctunal) as i would say with the desperate Mugabe who is more than ready to sell his country in other to survive politically! History will judge all of us!

Zimbabweans in neighbouring countries are not mere economic migrants they are refugees running away from oppression and destitution. People are running away from a country where people are killed for voting for or being in the opposition, a country where your journalisim is supervised by the barrel of the gun. So dont write trash.

When you last in Zimbabwe? I have spent the last four weeks in the Midlands and MatesNorth ....Nkai, Silobela, Shurugwi etc. After my visit,l am seriously wondering why the MDC-T bother enter into negotiations or even let their members become MPs. WHY? The MDC dont care about the ordinary Zim but are only interested in the one thing they have always focused on....handing the country back to the Rhodesians and their European (white) backers....SHAME ON YOU, sons of the soil. Nyika iri kuparara takatarisa

You were visiting coming from Western Europe, thats why you dont understand that MDC's input is restricted by the Mugabe regime. You are used to countries which allow opposition members of parliament to help their constituencies. As for handing back Zimbabwe I am sure there is no one who would accept a country like Zimbabwe and for your information Zimbabweans would never make a choice between Rhodesian Front and Zanu PF its one and the same thing. So dont worry about that philosophy Zimbabweans wont allow Zanu PF to joy ride this country anymore. Enjoy you pounds and USD and we fight through these Zillions.

More bunkum from the voice of the REACTION.

Expect some more of the same from this MT plant on this Forum.

Once again you have nothing substantive to say so you persist in attacking the messenger. You clearly have no arguement so you choose to change the subject. Plain for all to see. Thanks for continually showing us what lack of substance you have.

Aka, with all due respect to you, Zimbabweans can disagree with Mugabe and zanu-pf and be very patriotic Zimbabweans. Many Zimbabweans feel it is right to have a new gov’t and different type of politics in Zimbabwe. Morgan Tsvangirai represents the new politics Zimbabweans want to see. Tsvangirai is typically scorned as a puppet in the Herald, but Tsvangirai is nobody’s fool. Tsvangirai has dared ask the simple questions about food availability in Zimbabwe, medical care, good governance, proper distribution of land etc That is what Zimbabweans are asking, and most have left the country because their basic needs are not being met. It is disappointing to hear you “rant” about the west. Is it the west that causes Ministers to steal money in Zim? Is it the west that causes ministers sons, cousins, drivers to steal essential goods in Zimbabwe in order to sale in Mozambique? I don’t think so.

There are even more patriotic Zimbabweans who disagree with the kind of politics represented by both Mugabe and his ZanuPF and Tsvangirayi and his MDC - politicians who only tell us their opinion of the source of our problems but without doing anything tangible to solve them.

Zimbabwe is for Zimbabweans and anyone who talks of Tsvangirayi giving back land to the whites is an idiot. Actually I do not see why the whites should not be given the land .What are the people who were given land by Mugabe doing with it ? Nothing the land is just lying idle and people are hungry and suffering . Let the whites get back the land .What is Africa doing to solve conflicts on the continent ? nothing. Zanu pf is a a partyn of opressors Smith was a better administrator. Britain if my memeory servrs me well helped during the liberation war.that is why Rhodesia was under sunctions but Smith managed to build a vibrant industrial base which Mugabe and his looters came and destroyed.Pasi na mugabe. PAsi naye!!!!!!!!

Plenty of whites still have land in Zimbabwe - in fact Zimbabwe has become a country that only whites can really afford to live in. Why? Because they have fully participated in the economic sabotage that has brought the country to its knees and while they moan and groan they are scoffing all the way to the foreign banks that money from Zimabwe's resources is in. I'm really sick of the hypocrisy. Mugabe may be no angel but MThead is not an option for president. Both sides are EQUALLY guilty of whatever is happening to Zimbabwe. mdc is just frustrated that its machinations have not led to Mugabe vacating his position. Politics is just a dirty game of lies and rhetoric and mdc is NOBODY's saviour...

The MDC will never reverse any land policies, anyone that says otherwise has simply been brainwashed by Mugabe. Pure and simple.

Awt_independent, Why do you say that "MDC will never reverse any land policies" when MDC leaders have said it time and time again that they will return the land to former colonisers. Fidelis Mhashu, a very senior member of the sellout party stunned his white BBC interviewer by saying that his party was going to return land to whites. He or anyone in the MDC has never retracted that statement.

Tsvangirai himself, while campaigning said as much and punctuated that by insulting blacks when he said "munongo mera se howa", which literaly means blacks are just germinating anywhere and all over like mashroom. At that rally and many other public fora Tsvangirai repeated and qualified that statement by saying blacks cannot farm like his "cousins" and so will be removed from "white farmland". Neither Tsvangirai nor anyone in that stooge party retracted that statement and up to this day all documents emaneting from Harvest House are talking about giving back land to whites "because they are better farmer than blacks".

Therefore, what you are saying is just what all foreigners, especially CIA agents say when trying to protect their stooge and you are not an exception as your CIA brief is to protect the fool each time he makes a blunder.

This post was deleted because it contravenes AllAfrica's commenting guidelines.

Morgan Tsvangirai is not yielding to anything discussion right now because of the followings:

1). He has been programmed and teleguided by the devil whiteman and as such, he is not himself. He is going by instructions that had been given to him and if he should change course by accepting the SADC mandate, I am sorry for him, He will definitely be assassinated by the Jackles Assassination team, which he is member. This is an organization that is never betrayed. Betrayal means death according to John Hawkins who narrated/exposed the operations of the Organization.

2). Mr. Tsvangirai is now afraid of his life because of the promised to this organozation and he has to do all in his power to satisfy this organization.

3). Mr Tsvangirai is working for the Big Corporations of America, the organization the founded the Jackles Assassination. The goals of those corporations are to fight to put someone in power with the agreement that such leader sell his/her country natural resources to them cheap and failure will lead to uprising against that leader and death at last. Remember that this group will do everything to bring Mr. Tsvangirai to power so as to implement their agendas. These are the reasons for which Mr. Tsvangirai is not givingup. Even if Mr. Tsvangirai's mother die of the chlora outbreak in Zambabwe, he will keep on this fight.

Are you surprised by the clap trap from the voix de MT on this Forum? Witness his pornographic soaked deleted posts.

Urbanity connotes disagreement without resorting to the language of the gutter. But, we are tolerant of ignoramuses. Patient education sometimes helps.

Frankly, however, I think, to quote Heidegger, only a god can 'save' this lost soul.

Sympathy from Harare

Takunya, you and I both know that you have no credibility due to your continual lies...

Zimbabweans flock to neighbouring countries becoz the country cannot cope with the distruction caused by Tsvangirai"s aggravated sanctions, stupid fool. People die everywhere, what is happening in Iraq and Afghanistan, talk about how Americans, your backers are butchering people there, compare that with the number that died in Zimbabwe thru MDC instigated violence. Of cause if you start violence that can also stopped violently if people want. You started it so dont cry foul when the violence haunts you

I am soooooooo happy that people have finally come to realize that this independent dude is a tail of MT, an obscurantist, a fifth columnist among patriotic Zimbabweans, and a very, very, very bad writer, just a notch better than the stammering and sprinting COWARD MT.

We will hammer you WITH words: we will rock you with rhetoric that will sear your MT brainwashed brain, if a brain you have.

Shallowhead, you spelt "so" wrong. It only has 1 "o". Also, finishing with "if a brain you have" - did you get that from yoda? Your English requires work.

Frankly, you are boring; I have beaten you sooooooo many times under every shade of rhetoric, every commonplace of horse sense (and, as McDonalds puts it "and loving it"), that I am beginning to think you like being whipped with words, and perhaps beyond words, and need I tell you what that spells in pyscho-pathology?

You ain't got nada to say, dude. Before I landed, you were all over this site talking trash, bullying decent Zimbabweans. Your game is up. I am here to put you in your place: camp Smithy/MT---unlettered ideologue. Accordingly, keep a "stiff upper lip," as your British masters would "put it."

The Thunder from Harare rocks.

Shallowhead, you'll never shut me up. As long as their are idiots on this board like you, I'll be here giving it back to you and wiping the floor with you as I continue to do. You have no substance on Zimbabwe, nothing to talk about. You're the prime example of why you should never argue with an idiot, you'll only bring the person down to your pathetic level and beat them with experience. Why dont you go study up on Zimbabwe. Now tell me, why do you condone and support a leader that had to murder over 130 of your brothers and sisters to get power?

Frankly, you are boring; I have beaten you sooooooo many times under every shade of rhetoric, every commonplace of horse sense (and, as McDonalds puts it "and loving it"), that I am beginning to think you like being whipped with words, and perhaps beyond words, and need I tell you what that spells in pyscho-pathology?

You ain't got nada to say, dude. Before I landed, you were all over this site talking trash, bullying decent Zimbabweans. Your game is up. I am here to put you in your place: camp Smithy/MT---unlettered ideologue. Accordingly, keep a "stiff upper lip," as your British masters would "put it."

The Thunder from Harare rocks.

Can you for once make one sensible comment in your post? Can you, so that we may debate on a civilised level tell us what sanctions are in place against Zimbabwe. Can you come up with some sensible suggestions how to rebuild the country? Honestly your idiotic name calling, misuse of foreign langauges has become a trifle boring.

Alien to my HABITUS is to 'debate' cry babies, spineless neo-cons, AND paid agents of the REACTION, and that means, IN CONCRETO, YOU.

Imagine! A dude who can hardly write, much less fly in air EXPLODING with uplifting rhetorical vigor, asking for a debate?

Under my lights, I call that suicide. And, I don't give a rat's tail what YOU call it.

Go hang in the ring of RELEXION!

Shallow Jaw, why dont you stay in you native Ivory Coast, you have had nothing to say here, your insults make less sense. You have never made one sensible contribution to this and I presume any other site. Seems they chased you off the other forums because of this very same crap. No depth, no character. This is the same village idiot that brands Mandela, Tutu, and Annan "benjamins" This is the fool that has probably never even been to Zimababwe

As JR points out... you fail to answer any questions, simply because you have no answers... so prove us otherwise, what sanctions are there?

WHAT SANCTIONS! The travel bans? Or the ban on arms entering Zimbabwe? As for americans butchering people in Iraq, how many Iraq's are butchered by fellow Iraqi's in sectarian strife. Why do you not mention them? As for the MDC, its only human nature to retaliate. If Mugabe had allowed the run off election to be free of violence then 1) he would have lost and 2) the MDC supporters would have no violence to retaliate against. Mugabe needed the violence to keep power. And people like you condone this behaviour. Why?

Are you able to tell us what Tsvagorai's aggravated sanctions are? Can you give any instances of MDC agression and assault?

the idiot knows there are no sanctions, he just cant bring himself to say it

ICHO dont your frustration on innocent Zimbabweans and dont celebrate dying Zimbabweans by potraying your travel bans as though they created by the MDC. The only people you can fool about that are your youths brigades. Usati jairire blazi.