Archbishop Desmond Tutu cannot be wrong in his opinion regarding South Africa’s abysmal accountability to Zimbabwe. By taking sides with Mugabe’s brutal regime in Zimbabwe, South African ANC shows a disintegration of political and moral accountability to fight for the exploited. Proping up that corrupt dictataship is all the more objectionable than when Apartheid supported Rhodesia because it is not just black Africans oppressing other black Africans but a small faction of dishonest megalomaniacs destroying a beautiful country and a excellent economy. We hope that the ordinary peoples of South Africa will understand this soon enough before the ANC destroys South Africa in the same way ZANU-PF has destroyed Zimbabwe. Robert Mugabe did not leberate Zimbabwe. It was all the Zimbabweans who supported the freedom fighters. Mugabe was never in the bushes of Rhodesia fighting! It’s a legend. He was busy assassinating other potential leaders of Zimbabwe in the Front Line States! Besides he is illegitimately holding on to power when the Zimbabweans have voted him out! There is no legal government in Zimbabwe and Mugabe and his thugs should release all those they have illegally arrested or kidnapped. It is them who should be arrested and tried for treason, mass slaughter and breach of fundamental human rights! Other countries especially Britain should not just threaten but take concret action to pressure South Africa to follow the example of Botswana and Zambia and take steps to remove the illegal regime of Mugabe. Britain has a moral obligation and a legasy to help the Zimbabweans who have chosen their new leaders. Britain doesn’t need the permission of Russia or China when the Commonwealth countries like Australia, Canada and India are prepared to asssist the citizens of Zimbabwe in a multitude of useful ways.

Dear Archbishop Tutu

You should above all be deeply ashamed of no one else but yourself : when earlier you were so desperately fighting for the liberation of South Afica, you were so extremely naive - and here, out of politeness I am not using the far more appropriate terms - as to believe that the moment the ANC boys come into power, well, Heaven on Earth will instantly descend all over South Africa. Yes indeed, you should be terribly ashamed of yourself that you so utterly failed the most elementary test of wisdom in this regard. As for the ANC boys, well, hardly without any exception, their top dogs have been, and still are but the usual run of the mill miserable politicians. So then, dear ARCH, as you asked us to call you during earlier times, can you think of doing anything at all which may in any way at all compensante at last for your extreme naivity about human affairs, and among them, politics ?

The illegal Mugabe regime must indeed be chastised from inside the country, as much as it is by the civilised world.

Jallohlaw, Takunya_ndebvu and their allies must be countered by all means in order to prevent the wrong from spreading. They are the society's scums that enable the bloodstained illegal regime to continue to suck the people's blood!

It's high time Zimbabwe joins the club of civilised nations!

Down with bloodstained Mugabe! Wake up, rise up Zimbos. You have strong personalities like Tutu, Mandela and countries like Botswana and Zambia who are ready to asist you to kick out murderer Mugabe!

Jallohlaw, Takunya_ndebvu & their group will just hide themselves fearing a backlash!

Archbishop Desmond Tutu cannot be wrong in his opinion regarding South Africa’s abysmal accountability to Zimbabwe. By taking sides with Mugabe’s brutal regime in Zimbabwe, South African ANC shows a disintegration of political and moral accountability to fight for the exploited. Proping up that corrupt dictataship is all the more objectionable than when Apartheid supported Rhodesia because it is not just black Africans oppressing other black Africans but a small faction of dishonest megalomaniacs destroying a beautiful country and a excellent economy. We hope that the ordinary peoples of South Africa will understand this soon enough before the ANC destroys South Africa in the same way ZANU-PF has destroyed Zimbabwe. Robert Mugabe did not leberate Zimbabwe. It was all the Zimbabweans who supported the freedom fighters. Mugabe was never in the bushes of Rhodesia fighting! It’s a legend. He was busy assassinating other potential leaders of Zimbabwe in the Front Line States! Besides he is illegitimately holding on to power when the Zimbabweans have voted him out! There is no legal government in Zimbabwe and Mugabe and his thugs should release all those they have illegally arrested or kidnapped. It is them who should be arrested and tried for treason, mass slaughter and breach of fundamental human rights! Other countries especially Britain should not just threaten but take concret action to pressure South Africa to follow the example of Botswana and Zambia and take steps to remove the illegal regime of Mugabe. Britain has a moral obligation and a legasy to help the Zimbabweans who have chosen their new leaders. Britain doesn’t need the permission of Russia or China when the Commonwealth countries like Australia, Canada and India are prepared to asssist the citizens of Zimbabwe in a multitude of useful ways.

Tutu should keep his focus on Gaza because at least he knows what's going on there. Right now, he's just regurgitating the same old Western talking points and his uneducated opinion about what's going on in Zimbabwe which isn't going to help anyone.

Mugabe isn't going anywhere unless Zimbabwe has a mass uprising or an outside invasion. You think it's bad now when Zimbabwe is in relative peace? Just wait until force is used by the West and their puppets. It must be easy to cheer on instigators like the UN -- but /YOU/ aren't the one who is going to live through the carnage that will follow. Even if MDC comes to power, what makes you fools think the war veterans are going to accept it?

If the MDC really wanted change, they would have accepted Mugabe's constitution changes in 2000 which would have had Mugabe out of office by 2012 if it had been passed. How has your impatience paid off, fools? MDC's greed and lust for power is what caused this mess... nothing more, nothing less.

You hit the nail on the head there bokk. We have seen Tutu thirty years ago in the form of Muzorewa. He really does look like the rhodie puppet and his Zimbabwe-rhodesia was a joke! The hardship in Zimbabwe today is the fault of the puppet MDC sleeping in the same bed with the U.K Shame on them for loosing focus of what the liberation struggle really meant. Morgan could stop the suffering right now if he wanted to but he wont because his 'baas'( Big Boss) will get very angry with him. All they have to do is lift the illegal sanctions to change the situation.

So tell us what illegal sanctions?

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Haha Bustard! That's funny. There are no sanctions against the people of zim and you know it.

I'm beginning to think you actually believe your lies instead of just regurgitating them in an attempt to change facts. You can't be that delusional... can you?

What I find more ironic about this entire fiasco is that it's usually the West's enemy who goes crazy, not the people who are manipulating the media. The West is batshit insane if they actually believe their lies about there being no sanctions against Zimbabwe as a whole.

So tell us what sanctions are on the people of Zim. Should be easy right? Or are these sanctions against the people simply a figment of mugabes imagination?

I don't understand why I need to constantly repeat myself, but here's the 2001 US sanctions that caused the real damage to Zimbabwe:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s107-494

And this article will explain to you, step by step, exactly how Zimbabwe came to be what we now see today.

http://www.swans.com/library/art8/elich004.html

In addition, the article was written in 2002 long before the crisis snowballed into what it is today. Here's a very short excerpt just touching on what the sanctions actually did to Zimbabwe:

"On July 30, 2002, Daniel Maviva, management services officer at the Zimbabwe Electricity Supply Authority, reported that sanctions had caused the firm to lose $18 million. The elimination of foreign funding by the World Bank, the European Investment Bank and other institutions had dealt a crippling blow, forcing the firm to use its "own resources due to the withdrawal of those financiers under targeted sanctions." (44) As sanctions continue to tighten the noose around Zimbabwe, electrical power blackouts may become a frequent occurrence. "

You need to constantly repeat yourself because you keep refusing to answer the question, instead insisting that the dictators the sanctions are targeted against has the right to rob the people of Zimbabwe of their money and say it's the fault of the sanctions.

When are you going to understand that Mugabe is not the people of Zimbabwe? We will just have to keep talking past you until you catch up, I suppose.

Thats there are no sanctions against the people of Great Zimbabwe. The UK and USA with the backing of the English speaking Europeans and western capital have directed sanctions at gvt ministries with devastating effect. Look how effective your sanctions have been on Zimbabwe's education and health system, local gvt and agriculture, transport and commerce, not to mention trade. Of course you have directed your sanctions at the poor Zimbabwean people!!!What dreamers you are, you lot

Desmond Tuto has more character and care f for the people in his pinky finger than Mugabe has in his whole body.I am sick and tired of you Mugabe puppets blaming Tsvangirai and the MDC or West for your problems. Your so called president is in charge and has been ruling Zim for the past 28 years so please just stop it with the ignorant comments on how it is everyone else's fault of the problems in ZIM. The sanctions are against Mugabe and his Zanu-pf puppets so stop it with the blame game on sanctions b/c Mugabe and his zanu-pf puppets have brought that on themselves. If Mugabe was a good president he would be a bigger man and show he is there for the people and stop ruining ZIM and the lives of the people there..

bokk droll, again you spout about matters you know little about. You constantly critisise the west , yet you scrounge a free education from them and probably live off the dole or welfare system while you spout your hateful rubbish. The money you receive from the west would be better used to feed starving Zimbabwean children as ignoramus's like you bokk droll.

Hearing about this old slave house boy keep entertaining the world time and again make me wonder just how long his infamous humor will last. Trained to work against himself< Tutu's ill read audience will keep on graving for some more of his B/S.

Yea right, some Nobel peace laureate! Of course, the world would pay no mind to any industrous African with his/her head intact. No fool here, Tutu and his likes can get all the platforms in the world to espouse their uninformed opinions to the delight of the nodding bosses and their cheering zombies. Tutu, p-l-e-a-s-e shut up, and enough of your usual staled jokes, which are mostly nothing but sheer ignorance!!

Tutu of the Odinga-Tutu-Annan (OTA) axis of evil in Africa.

What is new?

Tutu is ashamed of the African deities - the deities that sustained his ancestors. He would rather go foreign - even if it means wearing dresses.

But then, if he is ashamed of our African deities, he is ashamed of our myth too - the myth of his ancestors. Therefore, it may be said that he is ashamed if his ancestors and their customs/traditions. Maybe they were stuopid and clueless, he would say. [Though it may not occur to him that the clueless - in this dog-eat-dog world - fell by the wayside along the path of evolution ..

[Oh, he is a creationist, right? But the obtuse priest of the foreign gods (of those who massacre natives) has never pondered this: Can there be any creation without the Almighty Unkulunkulu?] ]

But, it is said that "mtoto wa nyoka ni nyoka".

Poor Tutu!

He hates what he sees in the mirror each morning. And he passes that self-hatred (and deference to foreigners and their deities) to his offspring and all who come in contact with him.

It is amazing how Africans view the Zim situation.Who is RSA then to resolve it?We tried in Lesotho and were beaten before w start?We have the might but lack the wisdom.it will be the more difficult with COPE having economic interests in Zim.The own mines in both Zim and DRC.The ANC made COPE and even now own 45% of the mines with shares in the 65% owned by Aglo etc.Our own democracy is on a knife-edge.Zim will be a kindergatten to what will happen soon.Tutu is deviant and at most misleading.He is paid to say things.Israel is fighting own survival without any help.Tutu blames them for fighting to survive! The solution lies in the people of Zim.They vote Mugabe everytime in.Why should we take him out as RSA?Rightwingers in RSA wish for the Apartheid Regime.They will use every inch to congratulate themselves for the opression of the Region and Africans in particular.They wish to forget that any solution was a help as long as it liberated us.Zim citizens should lead the process!!!What do they want??MDC is no solution.They are the COPE of Zim.The Bourgeousiess!!ZAPU???

It's plain that Mugabe's hold on power is through the military, and they should be the informed of the plight of their country through leaflets, perhaps even dropped by air, and other information channels. They need to understand that when the regime fails, trials will begin and those cooperating will be held accountable for their actions, in exactly the same way as were Hitler's henchmen.

A task force of water and sewage engineers, protected by UN forces, should enter the country to improve this vital work. If Mugabe's force attacks them, they return fire.

The focus on the country has been too politicised, and too focussed on Mugabe. Hearts and minds are won through practical actions to improve the desperate situation. For too many years we have watched the Zimbabwean leader run rings around the international community, simply because they see the problem as one of politics, not of fresh water, sewage, agriculture.

Mike, editor Practical Farm IDEAS www.farmideas.co.uk

I wish you well Mr. Editor. I always enigmatically marvel at people who think so narrowly about what's going on in Zimbabwe. SA for a fact treads so carefully because the politicians there know the causes of the current mess in Zim. In any case, RSA is a question of time. It is a time bomb. You may want to hide it - but that's real.

It's plain that Mugabe's hold on power is through the military, that much is true. It demonstrates a profound misunderstanding of the military, however, to think they do not understand that Zimbabwe is suffering, and especially that, if they were only better informed, they would turn on Mugabe. Your reason is their treason, and they will need far more than mere information to convince them to turn on the leaders they swore to serve, leaders they still believe in their hearts have earned the right to rule Zimbabwe, now and forever, through their own blood, toil, and tears, no matter how desperate the situation becomes for the civilians, or even for themselves.

You will, in the end, have to kill these honorable men, if you want to save the civilians of Zimbabwe. Even Mugabe himself does not have any real power over them; removing him will only result his replacement with even more brutal and insane leader, one who will think he has just cause to lead an attack on any nation that helped remove Mugabe, even if that nation is South Africa.

Not that plain editor.

Kana Mugabe ane Nharo he should conduct a free and fair election under international observers so that he would show the world that he is still relevant. Why is he afraid? Basa rekuswerera kuzvirova dundundu chete and blaming other people for his failures.

Chachacha(Gt),

President Mugabe should, more than ever before, boast of what he has done and is doing for Zimbabwe and Zimbabweans. Rake basa akaita uye ari kuita (He has done his part and still doing a lot for the country).

He brought independence for you to be free to insult him without being threatened, he gave you education which is second to none, he gave you land and he continues to empower you by opening up economic avenues for you, the previously marginalised black people.

Taunya the education you talk about was payed for by donor funds from the same countriesu now detest. Most of it was looted by your gang of thieves thats why the education system has collapsed today. And pliz you and your lot stop insulting our ancestors by aligning them with Mugabe, the man who declared Zimbabwe a christian nation in 1980. the man who would stop at nothing to attend John Pauls funeral. He is a CATHOL.Brought up and educated by Jesuits. The same jesuits who inspired Rhodes and Himmler. Remember how Mugabe cleaned Harare for the popes visit, rounding up homeless people and putting them in holding camps where they still languish today. No 2.It is an imprisonable offence to insult Mugabe in Zimbabwe, check the constitution. And those that say cholera was caused by the US, the epidemic started Harare because of lack of clean water, a problem which started when Zanu Pf bigwig Solomon Tavengwa, as mayor, diverted all council funds to the construction of mansion, causing a defecitncil has been unable to rectify. Take of those blinkers

Gore,

The problem with you and all your friends, (if you are not just one person) is that you are ignorant bustards. Our education system was never donor funded. If anything, President Mugabe was criticized left, right and centre, for educating everybody.

The British and the Americans told us to create a bottle-like system that would not allow more people to go past Grade 7 because they would not find jobs and that Zimbabweans would not want to work for imperialists owing to their education. Mugabe would not have any of that arguing that it is better to have an educated unemployed Zimbabwean than to have an uneducated unemployed person rooming the streets. An educated person is innovative and creative and would not starve to death because he is not employed. Hence, single-handedly, Zimbabwe funded the education of its people up to university level without budget support from any quarter whatsoever since 1980. You will, therefore, be lying to say that imperialists funded our education system when they detested our policies towards the education of our people.

What you are saying now is what you are going to say 10 years from now when you will allege that land reclamation was funded by imperialists when we liberated our land from colonial thieves.

"It is an imprisonable offence to insult" the President of Zimbabwe and not Va Mugabe as a person. How many people are insulting him today, you included, but are not being arrested? MANY!! If insulting Va Mugabe as an individual was punishable with imprisonment then Tsvangirai would be languishing in prison today not to mention loud-mouthed Biti and Chamisa.

"The British and the Americans told us to create a bottle-like system that would not allow more people to go past Grade 7 because they would not find jobs and that Zimbabweans would not want to work for imperialists owing to their education."

And Zimbabwe's current system, where an illiterate man who can barely tie his shoes can still receive a doctorate in economics, is clearly superior. We must believe that the only difference between an illiterate man and a genius is a slip of paper almost as trustworthy as the Zimbabwe dollar, because to think any other way is to discriminate.

Then everyone wonders why inflation spirals out of control, even though there are people with doctorate degrees in charge of the economy, fumbling away at their shoelaces every morning.

The Anc 1st team was able to achieve very little or nothing in: Zimbabwe, Security, Transport, Education, Health, Employment, Corruption and the like! I WAS a strong Anc supporter but no longer....

Their 2nd team could'nt even manage by-elections.

People, we should stop listening to their lies and covers-up.

Its time for a change to whoever else. Just not the Anc!

Only Archbishop Tutu, among South Africans has been consistently and articulately correct - as he was when fighting Apartheid -on the retrogressive forces that are against Zimbabwe's progress in particular and Africa's in general.

It is the same historical pattern in Africa. A country gets independence and before the flags are even raised full mast the socalled leaders are fighting internicine wars over greed, selfishiness and foolishness.

Going by this history of African states and the way things are shaping up to be it wouldn't be surprising to see South Africa descend into similar madness that is in Zimbabwe and now Guinea (Conakry) among many others.

The issue is not Cdr. MUGABE'S STEWARDSHIP OF ZIMBABWE.

That issue is settled; unsettled, it remains, unsurprisingly, but without any consequences, for rhodies and their tails, and a BIG TAIL has now shown his hand, after Cdr. MUGAGE refused him entry into Zimbabwe: Tutu, the tail of the the REACTION, IN THE WEST.

The dude is obviously entitled to his opinion, but the PEOPLE OF SOUTH AFRICA have spoken on Zimbabwe. Accordingly, that issue too is closed.

So what is the ARCH's problem?

The empirical psychologists theorize a concept called "projection."

Of course, the ARCH is ashamed, but the object of that affect is himself:

He, who was disgraced by Cdr. MUGABE; he, who for years pimped the sanctified name of Africa to the REACTION IN THE WEST for Caesarian rewards.

Accordingly, on this Christmas day, the CITY OF HONOR, THE CITY OF FORTITUDE, THE CITY MILITANT SELF-RESPECT, THE CITY OF GOD---HARARE---REITERATES ITS DENUNCIATION OF DESMOND TUTU as a tail of IMPERIALISM IN AFRICA, TO BEGIN WITH IN SOUTH AFRICA.

MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL, THE AFRICAN PETER, A SOUL UNAFRICAN TO THE CORE, TO BOOT, on this day of the ecclesiastical EVENT!

J-hollow, I'm calling you and your friend here out!

Answer me with FACTS, not invective or racist hatred of the "white man"! You never post anything factual, only hatred against your opponents:

Thank you, once again, J-hollow, for characterizing yourself as "We". "We" have done this, "We" will do that......... You have exposed yourself, like AK47, like Phiri, like Tak, as a ZANU-PF troll on these boards. I would encourge all of us on these boards who wish for a free Zimbabwe to ignore the posts of J-hoolow, AK-47, Tak and their ilk................. To J-hollow, AK-47 and Phiri, I challenged you once before to defend the following indictments against the present ZANU-PF/Mugabe "government", yet you have not replied........... I challenge you, and Tak, and Phiri, and AK47 to defend any of the following charges: I defy you to answer to, or defend the following facts regarding Zimbabwe, The (g)overnment of ZANU-PF/Mugabe has presided over: 1) the worst hyperinflation in the history of civilized states 2) the implosion of the educational and healthcare infrastructure of Zimbabwe 3) starvation - so that 50% of the population of Zimbabwe is dependent upon foreign food aid 4) 30-35% of the population of Zimbabwe has "voted with their feet" and has left the country. 5) the country has 30,000 cases of cholera, which is an easily treatable disease insofar as the sanitation system of a country is intact.............. 6) the Zimbabwean dollar is a worthless commodity 7) People are detained by the security services, they are not charged as according to the Constiitution, they are charged at ZANU-PF's whim, irrergardless of high court orders to the contrary. ZANU-PF and the security forces are in contempt of the laws they created themselves to muzzle their opposition. The President of South Africa himself has said that "no one" believed the accusations of ZANU-PF regarding Botswana! No one here believes the denials that come from the ZANU-PF "trolls". People are dying for lack of clean water! People stand in line to withdraw their money from banks - it belongs to the people, not the ZBC! ZANU-PF/Mugabe has had 28 years to make a positive contribution to the well-being of Zimbabwe - yet the standard of living in Zimbabwe has declined for all 28 years of ZANU-PF rule - why is that? Simply put - ZANU-PF/Mugbe has failed in their stewardship of Zimbabwe. Simply because you were one of the parties that brought about Zimbabwe's liberation does NOT mean that you ""OWN" Zimbabwe! Notice how J-hollow only resorts to insults to defend his indefensible proposition that ZANU-PF should rule indefinitely. Notice ow he NEVER uses FACTS to defend his position............ To people like J-hollow,, Phirii, AK-47 et al - these people who argue against a "regime change" in Zimbabwe only accuse and denigrate their detractors. They NEVER use actual facts to defend the actual record of ZANU-PF/Mugabe.............. To those who disparage those of us who wish for Mugabbe's ouster, answer me this: Your people are starving......... Your people have left the country in a vote of no-confidence your people are suffering from an easily treatable disease Your own party is splintering, how can ZAPU reconstitute itself? For a country supposedly "totally empowered", why is it that outside forces have caused so much grief in your country? If you were "totally empowered", wouldn't Zimbabwe be impervious to the pressures of outside counter-revolutionary forces? How empty does the revolutionary slogan "total empowerment" today? ZANU-PF/Mugabe has presided over: - a decline in life expectancy - an increase in AIDS-related depths - an increase in unemployment - an increase in the diaspora - an incease in the death toll from easily treatable diseases - an increase in the rae of inflation - a decrease in the buying power of the Zim Dollar - a drastically decreasing agricultural output - A decrease in the "rule of law" - rigged election ballots - claims of an external "counter-revolutionary" force When will ZANU-PF/Mugabe refrain from blaming others for their shortcomings and admit that they have failed to provide for the well-being of ALL Zimbabwe? If Zimbabwe was so "totally empowered" ZANU-PF should be able to thumb their noses at such "sanctions". The fact that "sanctions" are supposedly the cause of all of Zimbabwe's suffeting lays bare any argument ZANU-PF/Mugabe lays at the feet of the "imperial West". If Zimbabwe were so "totally empowered" ZANU-PF would not care one wink for the protestations of any other power/country! The fact that Zimbabwe cannot survive the "slings and arrows" of others should put to an end the nonsense of ZANU-PF's "total empowerment" slogan........ "Total Empowerment" - so just how "empowered" do you feel Zimbabwe? Do you feel empowered to make good on the promise that Zimbabwe once was? DO you feel that Zimbabwe should feed itself before it embarks on a "land redistribution" that reduces the country to starvation? Answer me this people of Zimbabwe! - Do you remember a time when food was plentiful? - Do you remember a time when you didn't have stand in line for "your"money"? - Do you remember a time when the water out of your tap was clean and safe to drink? - Do you remember a time when your children went to school? - Do you remember a time whn the hospitals were open and had drugs to treat the sick? All these are evidence whay ZANU-PF/Mugabe has to go! Let ZANU-PF reconstitute itself as a post-liberation party! If they remain intransigent, the only solution is to bring them to justice a'la 1793 - Monsiour Guillatine will make them all shorter by a head! Those who defend ZANU-PF/Mugabe conveniently gloss over the FACTS! J-hollow, AK-47, Tak, et al, would, and NEVER have, tried to argue the FACTS! They are merely agents of the CIO planted here to assure us that all is well within Zimbabwe and that we have only to blame the "West" for the current situation in Zimbabwe! Defenders of ZANU-PF/Mugabe................... explain to all of us why the promise of what once was the promise of Zimbabwe has gone so horribly wrong? The liars of ZANU-PF/Mugabe only seek to distract you from the reality that is............... Death by disease......... Death by starvation.............. Death by Torture/Murder.......... All that ZANU-PF/Mugabe offers is merely death by another name. I defy ALL of you here to defend the policies of ZANU-PF/Mugabe!

Juhlman;

Sorry for responding to your post this late, as an empowered Zimbabwean I had gone to monitor progress at my farm – cattle, goats, crops, you name them.

Of all that you said, nothing is worth responding to, suffice to say you waste your time typing this trash which does not provide anything new to what you have said before.

If you go through the posts from those on the right side of history you will discover that we have adequately answered everything you raised. Starting with cholera – a treatable disease indeed.

What is the history of this disease in Zimbabwe? How did we come to have not only cholera in Zimbabwe but also anthrax? Who created HIV and infected it in human beings? Who experimented with syphilis on the black people in America and the world at large? Who used Agent Orange and Dioxin against innocent civilians in Vietnam?

In the history of mankind, who has used nuclear bombs against innocent civilians? Who blockaded Gaza for 18 months during which time Gazans could not get medicine, food, electricity and all other necessities and now, on top of all that, who is bombing the innocent people of Palestine? Who has occupied Palestinian land for over 40 years? Who is killing innocent and defenseless Palestinians in Gaza, Iraq and Afghanistan?

If you can find answers to these questions – which I am positive you can – then you will be able to answer yourself as regards the situation in Zimbabwe today.

I know that “regime change” is an agenda you racists and former oppressors have adopted and no amount of persuasion will change your minds. The reason is simply that you have failed to do in Zimbabwe what you could do all over the world – change govts from poor countries at will.

You are terribly hurt by this failure and so anything that could be used or be done to bring Mugabe down, even if it means killing the whole of Zimbabwe together with Mugabe, you are prepared to do it - that barbaric King killed 777 children just to get at Jesus, he could not.

It should by now dawn to you that your wish is not going to be realized or fulfilled in Zimbabwe, first because Zimbabweans know who the enemy is and secondly because they (the people of Zimbabwe) have a stake in the country. We do not wish to lose this stake to imperialists for filthy lucre.

We know that the promise of jobs, money donations, good life under white rule are just niceties meant to divert our attention from the real Zimbabwe – LAND. Land is for ever and no amount of persuasion can make me let go of that heritage which was given to me by President Mugabe and which I will bequeath to my children.

Terrorists, however, attractive image you want to give them, will remain terrorists. Anyone who connives with foreign hostile forces to kill Zimbabweans is a terrorist and should be treated as such. At least Zimbabwe is better because we did not send them to a concentration camp somewhere outside our country for years on end.

After only a few weeks, during which time the police were investigating allegations of involvement in terrorism, they have been brought to a court of law and its now up to the courts to decide which way to go. As of this moment the court has seen it wise to keep the accused persons in the hands of the police until a determination is made thus far.

We cannot and should never be compared to those who practice extra-ordinary rendition, those who use martial law in the trial of abducted civilians and those who deny abducted hostages legal representation and visits by their lawyers and relatives. We can never be equated to those who lie that abducted hostages prefer staying under the captivity of their abductors for fear of reprisals in their countries of birth when it is a way of justifying continued detention of such innocent people.

Only foolish idiots like you think that empowerment is a one day wander. Zimbabwe’s true and proper empowerment process has just started. Its are in 1980 when President Mugabe proclaimed that no child should fail to go to school simply because their parents are poor. As a result of that policy Zimbabwe has one of the highest literacy rates in Africa if not in the world.

America and Britain, the most loud mouthed hypocrites are nowhere near Zimbabwe in as far as education is concerned. No wonder they have resorted to sinister tactics to destroy what we have built over the past 28 years. The aim being to discredit a revolutionary party and people.

They have now gone into overdrive, poaching our professionals with some going outside, not as sign of no-confidence in the Zimbabwe govt but as proof that they are employable anywhere in the world. No wonder Bush recently wanted to poach our Gono.

You ask whether I remember the good old days. Certainly yes, I do remember the good days after independence and the happy life that came after 1980.

Equally, I also vividly remember the bad old days, before 1980, when our country had its name changed by foreigners from DZIMBABWE to Rhodesia, when blacks were made 3rd class citizens in our motherland, when all land belonged to oppressors and we were forced into barren lands that have now turned into deserts, when we did not have schools for the African child, when the nearest hospital was 100 kms away, when food (during times of drought) was only accessible to those who oppressed us, when black people were given yellow maize while our oppressors ate rice and potatoes, when no black person could open a bank account (thus no queues), when you had to obtain a pass (from the master) to travel from one suburb to another, when no black person was allowed to walk in First Street, when a commercial farmer could kill blacks with impunity and claim that he killed a baboon, when black people were sent to jail for holding the Whiteman’s beer, when everything belonged to the Whiteman and not for thee!!

I do not think I will EVER forget that time when blacks could be taken to CHIBHARO (forced labour) and would work for years without being paid and if they complain they are killed and all that the master needed to do was to tell the police that he killed a terrorist. I will NEVER forget that time when our oppressors could use cholera and anthrax on clothes that were donated to freedom fighters by black businessmen.

I certainly will NEVER forget napalm bombs that were used against refugees (children and the elderly) at Chimoio in Mozambique. If I were to forget this then it is no longer Takunya, who had to take up arms to fight racism, oppression, enslavement and subjugation.

The troll Shallow is not Zimbabwean, is not in Zimbabwe and knows nothing about Zimbabwe. This is evidenced in his replies. He is in West Africa, probably Sierra Leone where he was hounded off other web sites. All he will try to do is annoy you with name calling and Rhetoric. Ignoring him totally is the best thing to do. He is a nothing man and will contribute nothing.

Selfishgreedyandfoolish,

Just as your name says, you are foolish and stupid. If you follow what was happening in SA during Apartheid, you will discover that Desmond never contributed a bit to the liberation of that country. If anything, he was aiding Apartheid regimes in their massacre of innocent civilians and children. Just tell me one incident when Desmond called for the bombing of South Africa because of the crimes Botha and De Klerk and others before them committed against the people of colour, not to mention the barbaric incarceration of Mandela for 27 years. He was the Muzorewa of SA. Why was he never arrested like all others if he was truly fighting against Apartheid?

If there has been any consistence on the part of Desmond, it is selling out. After winning that prize, Desmond has been singing the imperialist songs through and through. He purports to be fighting for human rights when he is fighting for imperialist interests. At no time has he called for the equitable distribution of South African resources so that the previously disadvantaged blacks can also feed on the same cake as those who were favoured by Apartheid by virtue of their race.

More than 80% of SA arable land is still in the hands of less than 60 000 whites who are not using all the land for farming but for speculative purposes. Desmond does not see all this but has the audacity to call for the bombing of Zimbabweans because we dared take our land from his masters.

14 years after independence, only a fraction (less than 1%) of land has gone back to its rightful owners who were forcibly removed from their lands by the various Apartheid regimes. Whites continue to be intransigent and arrogant by refusing to share land with blacks. Instead of focusing his attention on fighting for the rights of these people Desmond chooses to call for the bombing of our country. A man of the cloth, calling for the killing of people instead of praying for peace and tolerance, is something that I have never understood. This is absurd to say the least. He seems blind to the massacres and human rights abuses that have been committed in Iraq in the name of liberating "the people". Desmond wants the same people, who are indiscriminately killing civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan, to invade and kill us like they are doing in those countries. I have NEVER understood the thinking of sellouts ever since the time of those who sold slaves up to today – they are shameless.

Just recently, Desmond was calling for the weakening of ANC so that it is unable to articulate people's needs - the needs which led blacks in SA to take up arms to fight Apartheid. His wish and prayer has been answered - we now have a creature called COPE in SA which, from now onwards, is going to oppose ANC'S revolutionary and progressive policies.

What this means is that ANC is not going to secure two thirds of votes, in the next elections, for it to be able to effect any meaningful changes to the black people of SA. Blacks in SA can kiss goodbye to any hope of owning anything significant in South Africa. ALL because of sellout, Desmond.

Take a good look at the face of this darling of THE REACTION: YOU'LL SEE NOTHING BUT A LIAR; YOU'LL SEE ANYTHING BUT A MAN OF GOD.

Now, beyond the high rhetoric, Tutu, thanks to Cdr. MUGABE and others, has been ex-posed as an agent of neo-imperialism in Africa total.

You called him " a man of God"?

I beg to differ: since it is philosophically AND THEOLOGICALLY impossible to KNOW God, it follows that any claim by anyone to be such is to be accepted under the evidential principle of "presumptive validity."

Tutu, under this theologial principle, is not even a man, for a man who ain't no soldier, does not call for the "bombing of Zimbabweans."

Tutu may fool the Uncle Toms in New York City and Washington, DC, where he is paid lavish speaking fees for talking crap soaked in ueber crap, but he will not fool even the most politically naive South African.

As to the land question: you hit the nail on the head, dude.

South Africa is a bomb waiting to explode on this issue.

AB INITIO, THE AFRICAN PROBLEM HAS ALWAYS BEEN A LAND QUESTION, FOR BLACKBERRIES AND OTHER TECHNOLOGICAL KNICK KNACKS COME AND GO, BUT THE LAND STANDS.

AND, Tutu, the tail of neo-imperialism, knows it.

Cdr. MUGABE'S sin, under the lights of THE REACTION, IS THAT HE THE HAD CHUTZPA TO SEIZE LAND FROM SO-CALLED WHITES---'RHODIES'. It has nothing to do with a theoretical construct called "democracy."

As Africans, we view the doctrine of 'democracy' with extreme suspicion or, urbanely expressed, with critical eyes: always and everywhere seeking the LIMITS of the same.

Are we to forget that European democratic polities colonized and looted Africa?

Never. Therefore...

The more you talk the more easily it is to see that you are a complete idiot by the way to respond so please say no more I am laughing too hard at your useless words that carry no meaning or importance but especially no facts just a poor opinion of a Mugabe loyalist!

Spigot of vile, you ignorantly, and you are an IGNORAMUS, ASSUME that I give a mouse's tail about your vapid opinions.

I DON'T.

Accordingly, buzz off, rhodie-terrorist, and please continue to swallow the venomous vomit of your master, mt, the DONKEY.

PROJECT ON THE THEORY OF RCKING RHETORIC IN THE CITY OF CLASSICALLY TRAINED RHETORICIANS, HARARE.

Whenever I see a post with the author as Shallowhead, I immediately now skip over it and dont waste my time reading it. I suggest others do the same. He never makes any sense, fails in his vain attempt to confuse and seem intelligent. He continually invents words and uses other words out of context. He believes that the beating of a 2 year old in police detention is ok, and on this basis has no moral standing. He also craves the attention of people trying to discuss things with him, except he will never answer any questions proposed to him, or debate things in a logical or reasonable manner. He will also call you every name under the sun. He is a true example of why you should never argue with an idiot. He will only bring you down to his level and beat you with experience. I suggest you dont waste your time. There's none so deaf as those who will not listen, and shallowhead fits quite firmly into this category. There is surely a village somewhere missing its idiot.

Associated Press, HARARE, Zimbabwe, Dec 24, 2008 – "Desmond Tutu .. Wednesday, (suggested) it was time to threaten President Robert Mugabe's ouster by force. .."

There was a time in Europe when Tutu's Christians knew that they had the answer to politics and governance. That they were best positioned - through divine inspiration - to lead governments and reign over the masses of sinners. After centuries of violent wars, famines, pestilences and bloodletting, they realized - perhaps through divine intervention - that it was better if they got out of politics and confined their activities to spiritual/mythical matters - which is their calling.

What does Tutu know about politics and the essentials of governance? Why does he think that he knows more than Cde Mugabe? What track record does he have in governing a country and the craft of stesmanship?

If

- he was a leader of a sovereign state of Zimbabwe

- and he, as a sovereign leader, decided that the national interests of the people of Zimbabwe are better served by resisting the plunder by foreigners,

- and he faced the foreigners' hostile economic sanctions

would he fare better than Cde Mugabe and his people of Zimbabwe are doing presently?

[Or would he capitulate and deliver Zimbabwe subordinate into bondage to the foreigners? WOuld Zimbabwe under Tutu become yet another failed colonial state like Kenya? Would Tutu endure the rigors, and the elements and threat to life and limb - fighting for his people's independence from the whites of his Bible that spews violence and foreign supremacy?]

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Zimbabwe is a member of the AU. Zimbabwe is a neighbor to the north of South Africa. Zimbabwe is an ally of South Africa and a partner in many endeavors of mutual benefit to the people of both countries. The well-being of South Africa is intimately intertwined with the well-being of Zimbabwe.

So here comes an individual - and an avowed, decorated lackey - sowing criminal sedition and terror into the masses and issuing terrorist threats of wide scale turmoil, slaughter and destruction in a violent overthrow of a democracy - an ally of SA.

What is South Africa to do? What would happen if an individual issued terrorist threat in USA against an ally, say UK or Israel, or promoted a violent overthrow of a foreign government allied to us?

Suffice to say that the individual, or individuals, would suddenly realize that life is going to change for ever.

We note that the SA's response in the case whereby South Africans - including the son of a former leader of colonial UK - were apprehended on their way to create mayhem and slaughter in another African country was wishy-washy and less than satisfactory. And that breeds copy-cats. Is SA willing to redeem itself in this case of another terrorist South African hell-bent on creating mayhem, chaos and unleashing massacre in a neighboring country?

Maybe Tutu should consider moving his dresses to Europe - among the people who SEEM to love him and on whose behalf he is ready to tolerate and unleash suffering, death and destruction on the children of Mother Africa.

Africans have no use for him.

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" the (authorities) .. plotters including Jestina Mukoko who were apprehended on Dec 3 were brought to court and charged with sedition .."

Apprehended on Dec 3 and brought to court on Dec 24. What was the hurry for?

Was the nation well served by the haste? Do we now know who funds these cursed, seditious parasites who would harm the people of Zimbabwe? Do they receive any funding from any terrorist groups and states issuing terrorist threats against the country and good people of Zimbabwe? Are we ready to cut off that funding?

Do we know the fine details of their network, methods and plans? What ius the connection to that evil axis of Annan, Odinga and Tutu is associated with these enmies of the people of Zimbabwe. What is their connection to the foreigners who have taken hostile actions against Zimbabwe? In what way are they connected to the current belligerent pronouncements fron the foreigner who are a threat to Zimbabwe's national security?

At times, men of goodwill everywhere are disturbed by the extereme magnanimity shown by the people of Zimbabwe to those who are a real and present danger to their national security of Zimbabwe.

What would the USA do regarding those who present a threat - whether real or imagined/suspected - to the security of our republic? Talk of rendition. Talk of rape and torture - unto death even. How about holding them in communicado for years - while they are tortured and rendered vegetative - while all that time we profess 'democracy', "good governance", "the rule of law" and the "writ of habeas corpus"?

Why can't the people of Zimbabwe do likewise?

What was the hurry for? These are people charged with horrendous crimes against the people, O Unkulunkulu!

BREAKING NEWS

WORST AFRICAN OF THE YEAR 2008: DESMOND TUTU---

TAIL OF THE ARCHAIC WING OF NEO-IMPERIAL WEST;

'AFRICAN' SELL-OUT;

BELLICOSE 'POPE';

WASHINGTON'S AND LONDON'S ROBED POODLE IN AFRICA AT LARGE.

MAY GOD DAMN YOUR SOUL, TUTU, FOR CALLING ON YOUR MASTERS TO MURDER INNOCENT ZIMBABWEAN CHILDREN AND WOMEN!

CHEERS TO THE SUFFERING MASSES OF SOUTH AFRICA FROM THE CITY OF FORTITUDE, THE CITY OF HONOR, THE CITY THAT SHOULD BE AN EXAMPLE TO SOUTH AFRICA ON THE LAND QUESTION, THE CITY OF AFRICAN DIGNITY, THE CITY THAT SUFFERS BECAUSE SHE CARES NOT A RAT'S TAIL ABOUT THE VIEWS AND HANDOUTS FROM CAMP AFRICANS SHALL BE LAST IN EVERYTHING OF VALUE---THE ARACHAIC WING OF THE REACTION IN THE WEST: HARARE.

Associated Press, HARARE, Zimbabwe, Dec 26, 2008 – Agitators charged with sedition have been moved to a maximum security prison ...

Isn't there a Guantanamo-type military detention/interrogation center in Zimbabwe where those who pose grave danger to the state and the good people of Zimbabwe can be held incommunicado for extended periods of time while information is extracted from them while they are also being, eh, rehabilitated?

The USA and the UK are essentially maritime states. That is, those countries - and their civilization "as we know it" - depend critically on the free flow of "trade" with other countries across the oceans. If, say, Africa moved to disrupt that flow of trade and financial instruments - say, by closing its shores to ships from those lands - the USA and UK would essentially view that action as a declaration of war.

The imposition of economic sanctions by belligerent foreigners on the state of Zimbabwe was in fact a hostile act tantamount to a declaration of war on the state of Zimbabwe. Therefore, citizens

- whose activities are contrary to the best national interests of Zimbabwe seem to provide succor and comfort to the enemies of the state and/or

- whose activities against the national security of Zimbabwe may be funded by the enemies of the state and/or

- engage in their seditious activities at a time of heightened hostilities between the state and its enemies - within and without

would in times of declared hostilities, properly belong in the military system - not in the civilian justice system. Many citizens of Kenya and other African countries who were/are SUSPECTED of harboring terrorist INCLINATIONS against foreigners have been rendered by democracies into the network of countries that rape and torture them - unfettered by accountability.

The lawless agitators and suspected terrorist accused of sedition in Zimbabwe should not benefit from the system of "rule of law" which they intend to harm: They belong to military detention centers - the Guantanamos and Abu Ghraibs.

[And, fof course, the ICCs, the UNs, the Red Cross's and the EU countries cannot find fault with that move to contain war-time suspected terrorist in military facilities - that are off-limits to civilian, peace-time accountability - can they? [Yes, they can - the duplicitous heathens, the hypocrites!]]

Here is the bottom line: Zimbabwe, under the leadership of Cdr. MUGABE, WITHIN THE HORIZON OF THE DIGNITY OF THE AFRICAN PEOPLE, will do anything to defend the SOVEREINGTY OF ZIMBABWE.

ANYONE WHO BELIEVES OTHERWISE IS EITHER A LUNATIC OR A FOOL.

Now, we are discussing these matters in a relatively safe situs: a forum, but make no mistake about IT, even if the reactionaries behin the neo-Reaction in the West were to threaten to drop the A-bomb, nothing will happen:

Zimbabwe shall stand; she shall teach the West to mind its business; she shall DEMONSTRATE TO THE WEST that today's Africa ain't their fathers' Africa.

Enough, I say: enough dissing of the people of Africa.

Mutual respect or mutual annihilation.

Mutual Regards from the PRINCIPLED CITY, HARARE.

Whenever I see a post with the author as Shallowhead, I immediately now skip over it and dont waste my time reading it. I suggest others do the same. He never makes any sense, fails in his vain attempt to confuse and seem intelligent. He continually invents words and uses other words out of context. He believes that the beating of a 2 year old in police detention is ok, and on this basis has no moral standing. He also craves the attention of people trying to discuss things with him, except he will never answer any questions proposed to him, or debate things in a logical or reasonable manner. He will also call you every name under the sun. He is a true example of why you should never argue with an idiot. He will only bring you down to his level and beat you with experience. I suggest you dont waste your time. There's none so deaf as those who will not listen, and shallowhead fits quite firmly into this category. There is surely a village somewhere missing its idiot.

" After winning that prize, Desmond has been singing the imperialist songs ... "

Technically, he was selected.

And that award has gone to some good people as well as some creeps. Take, for instance, the case of James Watson and William Shockley, the two racist, supremacist Nobel prize "winners" who maintained that Africans (like our good Tutu) are inferior beings. [I would be tempted to think about it if they had confined their declarations to one named Tutu ..]

And, just like Tutu, they would trade on the prize in one area to espouse and promote their half-baked ideas/idiocy in areas in which they had no expertise - and expect them to be admitted and respected...]

Would one be selected for that Nobel prize if one espoused tye supremacy of the African. Do Russians regularly "win" that prize -= or should we assume that Russians are incapable of great works?

[Perhaps we should not wonder whether Africa's freedom fighters against white imperialism ever "win" decorations like the knighthood of UK.]

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" .. More than 80% of SA arable land is still in the hands of less than 60 000 whites who are not using all the land for farming but for speculative purposes. Desmond does not see all this .. "

Perhaps the guy seees it. He is a crafty conman. You have got to be a good confidence trickster to make a living off cheating old sick women out of their pennies by promising then phony returns in a phony after-life. And just in case he may pretend NOT to see that Cde Mugabe and the Zimbabweans must NOT succeed, he is reminded by hid handlers who play on his bloated ego and a warped, overblown vision of intellectual potency, that there is something called "domino effect": Should chimurenga succeed in Zimbabwe and the ancestral lands of Zimbabwe revert to their owners - the people of maZimbabwe - then the restless natives everywhere will be emboldened and the same thing will happen in quick succession in South Africa and Kenya and Mozambique and Uganda and Nigeria and ....

And it wont stop there: The suddenly empowered natives will claim control of their minerals and crude oil and businesses and banking systems .. where will it stop? IMF and World Bank will be out. ICC and EU will be effective no more in denigrating and victimizing the natives ...

The western world depends critically on Africa so as to maintain their 'civilization' and "their way of life the way they know it"

Surely Tutu and Annan, who derive their (referrent) power (in the eyes of those Africans with a conditioned inferiority complex) by being seen to be acceptable to the superior (colonial) white foreigners, will have lost their strutting rights: Suddenly the foreigners and their foreign gods will not be seen to be that potent.

Therein lies the DANGER!

So, the more confident and assertive the African becomes, the more worried the foreign plundering masters become and hence the more shrill and desperate the Tutus and the Annans become ...

[Remember the story of a man getting harrassed by his boss -- then goes home to harrass his wife -- who harrasses the kids -- who kick the cat --- ]

Africa for the Africans, then.

On this construct, our 'ancestors' sold out; I mean the so-called 'elders.'

Sell outs---these geezers, from Annan to Tutu, the empty ecclesiastical vessel, are now debunked, thanks to the steely backbone of Cdr. MUGABE and his fighting batallions AND THE PEOPLE OF ZIMBABWE AND AFRICA.

Folks, the shell game is over: we are not dazzled by the civilization of the West, for reasons best left unstated.

WE THEREFORE DECLARE OUR INTELLECTUAL INDEPENDENCE, EMBRACE OUR INALIENABLE RIGHT TO RUN OUR AFFAIRS AS OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE HUMAN CONDITION DICTATES.

CHEERS FROM THE SCHOOL OF AUTHENTIC REFLECTION ON THE AFRICAN CONDITION IN THE CITY OF ERUDITION AND BACKBONE, HARARE.

They have not sold out, they think like normal people. mugabe,regime and jallohlaw do not think like normal people and then wonder 99.9% of people think totally different to themselves, simple as that!

Tutu = Highly respected the world over. Mandela = Highly respected the world over.

mugabe = Highly detested the world over.

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I have noticed the mental asylum must give extra internet access over the holidays jallohlaw. You do more harm than good the way you ramble on jallohlaw. Have you not noticed the majority on this forum of free speech jallohlaw, if so you will have noticed there is around 5 people out of thousands that think mugabe and regime are right!

jallohlaw, i do not condone people making fun of a simpleton like yourself, but even for me it becomes to much to not make fun of when you open your mouth! Maybe learn what caps lock is about and try and deliver your opinion in a better way that the majority can at least grasp because it really sounds like senile mugabe talking, every time you try to say something!

A transparent diversionary, reactionary gesture. Thanks, but no thanks.

We don't do metareflections on our reflections; and, we don't care who does, for even a fool like Hegel or Kant, or any of your Western philosophical fool-icons, knows that metareflections on anything, herein, significative expressions, ineluctably lead a REGRESSUS ENDLESS.

Thus the African spirit of well formed speech speaks!

Did you understand that reactionary 'rhodie' west?

Repeat after me now: metacritiques are useless, trash.

THE LAND, boneheaded WEST, IS THE ISSUE, not anyone's pysche; NO METACRITIQUES HERE, DUDE: WE GOT THE LAND, and there ain't no verba, not even the verba of the Western God, that can change that.

Stick to the issue dude rhodie, and keep your pyschobabble where it belongs: in your head, seeped in the inconsistent chords of a confused and increasingly erratic Western Civilization.

En passant, I suppose you uncritically assume that we subscribe to an uncritical western 'science' of psychology. WE DON'T.

Now, you know that we have been laughing at your psychobabble epithetic discourse: "Mugabe is 'insane,' and other blunders in reflection.

THERE IS NO PYSCHOLOGY ABOUT LORDSHIP OVER THE SACRED LAND OF ZIMBABWE.

REFLECTIVE WAR CRIES FROM THE CITY OF ITERATIVE CRITIQUE OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION, HARARE.

The West,

"Have you not noticed the majority on this forum of free speech jallohlaw, if so you will have noticed there is around 5 people out of thousands that think mugabe and regime are right!" Continue believing your own lies and fantasies.

The last time I revealed that one person was using more than ten account names, just so it appears as if many people on this site are against President Mugabe, my post was deleted.

I got the message loud and clear from AllAfrica that "you reveal that detail" and your post is DELETED. So I am careful not to step on the toes of imperialists whom I should continue fighting and be able to defeat/beat at their own game.

Thus, if your idea of "5 people out of thousands" is one person having many accounts then continue dreaming but when you wake up do not be shocked to realise that President Mugabe is getting stronger and stronger everyday.

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Shallowhead, what is Cdr. ? You always use it, but it doesnt make any sense. Everyone knows that Comrade is spelled with an r before the d....

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Its a simple question... what is Cdr. ?

Clearly you cant answer?

Rhodie, clearly, perspicuously, evidently, you just can't write.

Rhodie wrote:

"Clearly you cant answer?

CORRECT ENGLISH USAGE

"Clearly, you can't answer.

I think it is high noon I reactivate the GRAMMAR LESSONS to keep the Forum literate.

Cheers from the CITY OF LITERARY LIGHTS, HARARE.

I disagree about the comma, however you still failed to answer the question.

So, please tell us, what is a "Cdr"?

Nice diversionary tactics by the way, but I'm too smart for that.

The Grammar Lessons Return

Pyschotic rhodie bonehead writes:

"I disagree about the comma, however bla, bla, bla."

Pyschotic BONEHEADED rhodie, you ain't smart; you are so dump, and here is why.

CORRECT ENGLISH USAGE

"I disagree about the comma; however, bla, bla, bla."

I suppose your psychosis---and we have records of your psyschiatric hospitalization---prevents you from following the simple syntactic and semantic rules of the English language.

Authorized and Issued by the ANTI-RHODIE PYSCHOSIS TASK FORCE IN THE CITY OF SOBRIETY, HARARE.

Now I am dump? Thats funny.

So what is a Cdr.? Still avoiding the question.

still waiting...

I think he means with "Cdr" Choleradeniar.

LATRONES: YOU ARE TOAST IN ZIMBABWE.

LATRONES: YOU HAVE NO AIM OR MORROW IN ZIMBABWE.

Accordingly, while we act and talk, you are reduced to INEPT, INEFFECTIVE, and, characteristic of LATRONES, incohorent objectifications of inconsequential verba numberless, for what you want, you cannot get: THE LAND.

LATRONES OF THE FIRST ORDER.

OPERATION LATRONES LIQUIDATION IN THE CITY OF EFFICIENT RHETORIC AND ACTION, HARARE.

Nice Kooi!

But seriously Shalowhead, what is Cdr? You have no idea do you. Another made up word?

Glory to Comrade Mugabe, and glory to the brave ZANU/PF FIGHTERS, those alive and those who have gone to commune with their Ancestors and their gods---certainly not the radical, alienated 'god' created by alienated Jews in the grip of the might of the Roman Empire---John, Paul and Luke and other liars, Mathew, among them: the theologically constructed 'TRINITARIAN GOD', A FALSE GOD, IF EVER THERE WAS ONE.

Africans, real Africans should denounce this false 'god,' this 'god' created by the pens of barely literate catholic 'church fathers'.

THE BIGGEST LIE EVER TOLD: "JESUS IS GOD."

And, that ignoramus, uncle tom, rhodie backer, mealy mouth jackball, Tutu, believes that crap. Imagine!

Tutu: take a hike to hell, the hell that your African ancestors have prepared for you, YOU: religious fifth columnist; YOU: a a square, bumgling political hustler; YOU, TUTU---a certified, shameless AFRICAN DR. GOEBBELS.

GET LOST, SAMBO! PROJECT ON ECCLESIASTICAL DECONSTRUCTION IN THE CITY OF AUTHENTIC AFRICAN SPIRITUALITY, HARARE..

Only the foolish say there is no God. Tell you what, God will hold you to your ranting and ravings on Judgement day. You will be thrown into Hell. Call me a terrorist and everyother name under the sun. Shows that you are the only one who is under the direct influence of satan. You have chosen to be on satans side, that is your choice. I do pity you.

You can say that i am wrong and out of my mind and a stupid ignorent Rhodie terrorist, a stupid idiotic A*******le, Just ask yourself one question, what if i am right. I won't be the one begging for mercy on Judgement day because it will be too late for oy then. Get yourself right with God and Jesus and live your life in glory with the Creator of the Universe.

Stupid, first learn how to read.

Second, I did not think that allafrica.com was a religious site; and third, I ain't no Christian.

Count me out of YOUR CHRISTIANITY, DUDE.

Take your wobbly theological dissertation to the puppycat in Rome.

Committee against Christian imperial Evangelism in the City of Authentic African Religiousity, HARARE.

Whenever I see a post with the author as Shallowhead, I immediately now skip over it and dont waste my time reading it. I suggest others do the same. He never makes any sense, fails in his vain attempt to confuse and seem intelligent. He continually invents words and uses other words out of context. He believes that the beating of a 2 year old in police detention is ok, and on this basis has no moral standing. He also craves the attention of people trying to discuss things with him, except he will never answer any questions proposed to him, or debate things in a logical or reasonable manner. He will also call you every name under the sun. He is a true example of why you should never argue with an idiot. He will only bring you down to his level and beat you with experience. I suggest you dont waste your time. There's none so deaf as those who will not listen, and shallowhead fits quite firmly into this category. There is surely a village somewhere missing its idiot.

Archbishop Desmond Tutu did not stand for elections for the bishopry. He was appointed by you know who. Period. I would have some respect for the dude playing mantis if he had taken a similar position wirh regards to those who actually benefitted from racism and apartheid ... the English speaking nations led by the UK and USA. Come to think about the who whole sordid affair ... actually, the Boers were as much victims ... they were too, abused and taken advantage of by those currently in charge of the world ...namely the English speaking Europeans They controlled the beast which fed off the capital generated by unjust system. Instead of the truth Commission, why did Tutu not support the Azanians who wanted revenge on the perpetrators of the dastard system? Archbishop Tutu be careful you may end with jam all over your face.

I would like that silly old whitecollared small blackman to shut up. What did he achieve with his so called Truth Commission in SA? Why does he advocate for war? Why does he want to create another Rwanda,Somalia and Sudan in Zimbabwe.Does he seriously think that Mugabe will be outsted and nothing happens and everything will be all right.He should learn to read the mood of the Zimbabwean people. We are not like people from his country who kill each other willy-nilly. Look at the murders in SA, the rapes. Can he compare that to Zimbabwe.What does that ageing black small man want with Zimbabwe. He should thank the old man Mugabe for helping his country to gain independebce. His efforts must be directed to his fellow lost souls who commit hienous crimes in the name of poverty. Is he calling for coup? What is the aftermath of any coup anywhere.Whats happening in Iraq after the so called march for democracy.How many innocent souls are dying in Iraq 4 years after the the senseless gulf war.Wake up pastor we Zimbabweans are no stupid like the white collar you wear like a tagged hound ready to bloody it in quest of unglorified praise from the so called democratic west where your average black brother is either in prison or walking the so called free streets hungry. This is an open invitation to you pastor to shut up about Zimbabwe. You don't have any right to call for war in Zimbabwe. The Zimbabweans will get their own solutions.

Amen. And, may the true God, who Tutu does not know, have mercy on his lost soul.

Prayers from the City of Redemption, HARARE.

On Zimbabwe:

... a second round of run-off election was held on 27 June 2008....the period prior to the run-off was marked by violence ... Tsvangrai, MDC and their master - the White churches and the Western governments (who have imposed economic sanctions on Zimbabwe which have, as designed, lead to the deaths of thousands and devastated the country) - have, as expected, blamed Cde Mugabe and ZANU-PF for the violence. .. ;

As widely expected by the people of Zimbabwe, Tsvangrai, MDC and the foreigners lost in the run-off;

Cde Mugabe and the people of Zimbabwe won that run-off by an OVERWHELMING margin and Cde Mugabe was sworn in for another term as President on 29 June, 2008."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimbabwean_presidential_election,_2008

And so the foreigners and Tsvangrai scheme to change to the peoples' constitution so that they can assume the power to thwart the peoples' chimurenga and render them again unto the evil, impoverishing British colonial dominion.

Will they succeed? Stay tuned ...

And the naive intellectual may wonder why the imperial foreigners would gleefully accept and support the presidency of Kibaki of Kenya whose loss in the marred and violent presidential elections2007 was NOT in doubt while they are rabidly against the presidency of Cde Mugabe whose popularity and win in the election2008 is not doubted. ...

[HINT: plunder, hegemony and the spread of imperial white supremacy over the world... And the Tsvangrais and the Musevenis and Kagames and Kibakis are fleeting conveniences - mere disposable props - towards that end..

The criminal pauperization of Kenyans, the near total control of all aspects of life in Kenya by whites and the vast foreign-owned farms in Kenya are safe under Kibaki while in Zimbabwe ... ]

Well it is crazy how so few here who use a variety of names in support of Mugabe never make any statements that would convince the most foolish person that Mugabe is nothing more than a totalatarian. He could care less about the world or anyone around him as long as he has his power and money.

It is foolish that you Mugabe loyalists are always talking about Kenya, Botswana, U.S, Britain or someone in the rest is the cause of Zim's problems.

ALERT: ROBERT MUGABE HAS BEEN THE PRESIDENT FOR THE PAST 28 YEARS SO BLAME HIM FOR ZIM'S PROBLEMS NOT THE REST OF THE WORLD. IT IS EASY TO POINT YOUR FINGER AT THE REST OF THE WORLD SO YOU DO NOT HAVE TO LOOK AT YOUR OWN DEFAULTS... MUGABE IS IN CHARGE OF ZIM AND NO ONE ELSE CAN BE BLAMED FOR THE PROBLEMS IN ZIM...

" .. Well it is crazy ... most foolish... more than a totalatarian. ... It is foolish that you Mugabe loyalists are always ... LOOK AT YOUR OWN DEFAULTS. .."

On the web, no one is going to defer to you merely by virtue of the extensive storehouse of epithets.

If you meant to argue your case in support of your fellow plunders in Zimbabwe, South Africa, Mozambique and elsewhere, then you are NOT succeeding.

Try again - else you have let down your local lackeys and their white plunderers and rapists and slave-traders and torturers and murderers as well as the small-pox- and cholera-dispersing Rhodie bio-terrorists.

that from the man? that stated that there have been nearly 1 million children raped in the UK so far this year...

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The Happy go Lucky Tsvangirai-Tutu

Crimes against Humanity

Callous Extermination of a People: The Story of Kariba Dam and Tutu's Masters.

The Batonka tribe lived where the Kariba dam is today. To the imperial slave-trading whites, the lives of the Batonka were inconsequential: Their hopes and dreams were as insignificant as that of the ants on the savanna. They had lived by the banks of the river for generations and they had come to accommodate the seasonal flooding of the River Zambezi.

The Batonka were displaced when the Kariba dam was being built by the whites in the late 1950/early 1960's. They had no say in the matter and they were not compensated for their ancestral lands. All their ancestral lands were flooded to provide the dam (over 200km long and 30km wide). Families were separated by the dam and the few Batonka left were dispersed into the neighboring countries in which they were strangers.

Many disasters fell when the dam was first built. Several construction workers are buried within the dam wall after falling into wet concrete. Many drowned in the endeavor to build this dam and countless thousands of wild and endangered African species drowned along with those tribesmen who did not know, and were not warned by the British builders about, how high the waters would rise.

Naturally most of the tribesmen ran for higher ground but eventually the waters rose, drowning all their livestock, and eventually the waters took their lives too. The crocodiles of Zambezi feasted on all that was left.

The British must have had macabre fun and - from the glee they seem to derive from the human misery they have deliberately unleashed with their well-designed economic sanctions on the natives of Zimbabwe - they still do. Their streak of extreme cruelty is not in doubt.

[ Contrast this unmitigated evil with how the government of China went about taking care of its citizens who would be impacted by the building of the world's largest dam, the Three Gorges Dam, across the Yangtse river - years before they started building it ..]

Looks like Mugabe's propaganda brigade is at full throttle here. Desmond Tutu has clearly touched a nerve. But all this vitriol and bile from Mugabe's twerps is really just meaningless bluster.

All rational Africa and more importantly Zimbabwean people themselves,whose intelligence Mugabe insults by pretending he speaks for them,know that he represents no one but himself and nothing that we can be proud of as a continent. We see him for what he really is- an illegitimate impostor who has hijacked a whole nation and foisted himself on people.

The land issue is just a smokescreen he hides behind, a ruse that he has been trying since 2000 when Zimbabweans resoundingly made it clear to him that they did not want him to stay in power any longer. Up until then , Mugabe was more than happy to sup with the so-called devil. Land for his people was the last thing on his mind as he accepted his knighthoods and went about on his state visits.

Mugabe is no Africa hero. He will forever be remembered as a despicable despot who ransacked his country and brutalized his own people for no reason than to stay in power. This is how the world will always remember him.

I see parallels with Idi Amin, Hopefully someone will soon do a Nyerere on him and rid mother Africa of this nauseous rubbish ,once and for all.

" .. Looks like Mugabe's propaganda brigade is at full throttle here. .."

Your OHMS propaganda is not too rusted either ...

Hocus pokus bunkum in the dickens, dude.

I suppose your brigade is the ecclesiastical brigade of the African fith columnist Desmond Tutu, the sell out in the flesh.

You remind me, dude, of a French professor who once announced to his captured students that 'history' speaks through him.

What evidence do you have that 'history' will view Mugabe in the boneheaded manner you irrationally chose to characterize him.

If you think the land issue is a smokescreen, then you must be styling in cloud lunatic.

Tutu twerp and tail.

Cheers from the Tit for Tat Brigade in the City of Disrobe the Elders, HARARE.

God, it seems there has been a mass breakout at the Zim mental asylum and they all ran straight to a computer to post on the net!

Talk about rubbish, blame everyone except themselves, condone the persecution of there own, show blind faith in a senile 84 criminal, do not care for there own good people at all and continually bite the hands that support the starving and sick from around the world, while saying its there fault anyway so we deserve it! Talk about warped sense of reality, mugabe and regime supporters are the most racist and disgusting human beings on this planet!

couldnt agree more Westie.

Lapdog Jailohlaw, There is only one true sell out here and that is you. You have obviously sold your soul to the devil and turn a blind to the real cause of your people's sufferings in order that you can scavenge on Mugabe's miserly scraps.

I don't respond SUBSTANTIVELY to badly scripted posts.

Cheers from PROJECT BASIC WRITING in the CITY OF ERUDITION AND INTELLECTUAL HUMILITY, HARARE.

This pathetic excuse of a human being Jallohlaw, either has evil spirits that need exorcism or needs to see a psychiatrist. Seeing the bad shape medical facilities are in Zimbabwe to-day, a witch doctor would be where to take him. Perhaps the very one that Mugabe consults.

The irrationalist vomit of a LITERARY INCOMPETENT twerp of MT. Man, where did you guys learn how to write?

Now, personally, I would rather read rock solid rocking prose that disagrees with my OPINIONS, than ill crafted prose.

Nietzche once said, perhaps correctly, that prose exposes the health of the soul.

Sadly, jack derrier, Nietzsche's mot rocks your pea brain.

Cheers from the CITY THAT USES THE WEST AGAINST THE WEST, HARARE

Blah blah blah. Whenever I see the Author as Shallowhead I simply pass over it now. No point wasting my time as its always incomprehensible nonsense and never adds anything, and its always the same. Nonsense followed by nonsense followed by nonsense. No doubt his reply to this will be the same... and prove me right...

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I forget, what joker said that in the west people are free to discuss and say anything without fear? And that it OK to belong to any religion and any race ...?

[It must have been one of the white 'farmer'-saboteurs in Zimbabwe pretending that their whiteness and weapons to terrorize, victimize and kill bestows on them a right to privileges in Africa and the Middle East. And why aren't they in a rush to leave Zimbabwe for life in their ancestral Europe they seem to love so much anyway? Plunder.]

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US/01/01/family.grounded/

People need to understand that that the imperialist will stop at nothing to get what they want and its up to the people to stand for what they believe in. The US has made its history by conquering other nations, abusing its people and resources. I advise everyone to goto your local library and pick up any of the books from the following authors Cheikh Anta Diop, Dr Ivan Van Sertima & Yosef A. A. Ben-Jochannan. Know that if all of Afrika was as united as the US is, it would be one of the most powerful continents in the world. But b/c of the colonial powers influence in the continents politikkks the continent suffers as if it was a human body being attacked by a virus. People must understand that the all religions were made to control the masses"http://tinyurl.com/79pr66" & "http://tinyurl.com/97bx5g". If people started to put this believe into themselves and the community this would have a profound effect of the people, but b/c we are misguided, brainwashed and some uneducated we fail to realize what we was a people are capable of. If you look at whats going on in Egypt to the pyramids & hieroglyphs then you will understanding of whats going on. Most of the religions today were based in some way from the "Ancient Egyptians".

pyramids, you mean millions of tourist spending billions of dollars in Egypt and the Egyptian government not having the brains to spend some of that money protecting the pyramids from damage from people and the environment!!

The last things anyone wants is to conquer Zimbabwe, god you would be better of conquering a wallmart etc as they have a billion times more in value than Zimbabwe. conquering Zimbabwe the way it is would cost anyone that took it over more money than they would ever get in return in 100 lifetimes, with what it would cost to re-infrastructure and invest in companies to restart the failed country. I wonder if people realize how many years it is going to take to rebuild Zim to even the level it was before mugabe came into power, if you think 50 years from now if mugabe and regime are removed, you would be optimistic.

Xlogic, the conquering and abuse of other nations is not only peculiar to the United States. The world over, nations have one moment fought and conquered, then got kicked out and ultimately became great allies and trading partners. Africans too ruled each other with iron hands. Outside a military invasion, no nation can set up any entity in another country without the host government's consent. I think the word 'imperialist' is used very loosely. Any nation can become imperialistic. Yes even African nations. Imperialism applies to any nation that seeks to gain direct control over the political or economic life of another, thus imposing its power and authority. So all this fear of " imperialists" should be addressed to the heads of government who incidentally make a fortune on kick-backs from everything they ALLOW to be exported from their respective countries. Why Egypt is ALLOWING all the desecration of its pyramids and burial places is beyond me. If you are Zimbabwean, Xlogic, don't waste your energy worrying about " imperialists." Mugabe is the one looting and destroying your country.

We understand imperialism. While we agree with the conclusions of the mentioned authors, we reject their methodological heuristics.

Diop was a naive historicist; we, on the other hand, miltiantly embrace methodological relativism in historical research and historiography.

Moreover, we believe in THE EFFICACY of intercultural contacts. Therefore, we reject the doctrine of Egyptianism pushed by Diop and the obscurantist at Temple University, Asante.

We are Africans, not Egyptians, and we are not interested in tracing everything to a mythologized 'Egypt.' Whatever the "Egyptians" are claimed to have invented, they probably liberated the same from other peoples.

There are no pure origins.

Cheers from the City of PHILOLOGICALLY FOUNDED METHODOLOGICAL HISTORIOGRAPHY, HARARE.

What a waste of time reading that.

Lemma of the Bush Doctrine: WE DON'T TALK TO RHODIE TERRORISTS. WE SQUASH THEM.

REBELS SHALL BE CRUSHED, THUS SPEAKS INTERNATIONAL LAW.

PROJECT ON RHODIE-TERRORISTS TERMINATORS IN THE CITY OF CONSISTENT ANTI-TERRORISM, HARARE.

Rhodie-terrorist, soon you won't have time to read anything; sooner than you think.

WE HAVE ESCLATED THE STRUGGLE AGAINST RHODIE-TERRORISTS. IT IS 2009, NOT 2008: the year of the decimation of ALL RHODIE-TERRORIST IN ZIMBABWE AND BEYOND IS AT HAND.

OPERATION RHODIE-TERROR TERMINATION IN THE CITY OF TOTAL WAR AGAINST TERRORISM.

You should be very careful when you attack a child of the living God. The same God who has created everything in creation throughout the universe also lives in Bishop Desmond Tutu. The bishop has the same authority i nhim as Jesus Christ who rose from the dead to everlasting life. At least the bishop has the decency to stand up for truth and justice in the authority of God as he did against the Smith regime in Rhodesia. The wrath of God can descend on anyone who openly chalenges the authority of God as what mr Mugabe did when he said, Only God can remove me from power. It has gone down in history on many many occasions that when anyone who comes up against God will fail in a cataclysmical scale. Rant and rave as much as you like and call me and the bishop and God all the names under the sun but it will do you no good , it might make you feel better but on Judgement day you will answer to the Living God and give an account for all your actions. The choice is yours, I would rather see you enter heavan than be thrown into the fiery furnace pits of hell. The choice is yours, Repent or live the rest of enternity in Hell with everlasting pain which you have brought upon yourself. I pray for your salvation in Christ.

Zola zazu zambezi zulu;

You cannot threaten anyone with your so-called judgment day. We know GOD better than you foolish idiot. If as you said GOD "lives in Bishop Desmond Tutu" then I will not recognize such a GOD who bombs victims instead of aggressors - victim of sanctions, victims of cholera, victims of AIDS, victims of Syphilis, victims of Agent Orange and Dioxin, victims of genocide as in Gaza, Iraq and Afghanistan, victims of homosexuality and victims of all sorts of ills afflicting this world - all created and spread by CIA and MI6.

I know only one GOD - the GOD of peace, the GOD of forgiveness, the GOD of all people and not the English (Anglican) God, or a Roman GOD. The GOD I pray to does not know any skin colour and HE Himself is colourless and does not discriminate. Therefore, the God you talk about is your own Satanic God who rejoices at the suffering of victims of aggression. He is not the GOD referred to in Commandment No. 1.

Yours is a self-constructed God who is actually fighting the one and only GOD who is like the sun we see everyday and which shines on both the aggressor and the victim. So, to hell with your Satanic God and your so-called "judgment day", it is just a construction and a creation of your stupid imagination.

So now the CIA and MI5 created homosexuality? Dear oh dear. People, this is the type of person we are dealing with here. Someone that thinks the CIA and MI5 created homosexuality. Crikey.

Whenever I see a post with the author as Shallowhead, I immediately now skip over it and dont waste my time reading it. I suggest others do the same. He never makes any sense, fails in his vain attempt to confuse and seem intelligent. He continually invents words and uses other words out of context. He believes that the beating of a 2 year old in police detention is ok, and on this basis has no moral standing. He also craves the attention of people trying to discuss things with him, except he will never answer any questions proposed to him, or debate things in a logical or reasonable manner. He will also call you every name under the sun. He is a true example of why you should never argue with an idiot. He will only bring you down to his level and beat you with experience. I suggest you dont waste your time. There's none so deaf as those who will not listen, and shallowhead fits quite firmly into this category. There is surely a village somewhere missing its idiot.

Hey, Tutu, you hate the natives of Zimbabwe because they cannot stand on their own. They are poor - not rich like your masters. That when the white man imposes economic sanctions on them, then the worthless Africans fall apart, so you say.

But you know what Tutu, dim man of a some foreign god, your masters, the whites, can also be impoverished by sanctions - and the Africans are taking some notes:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090102/wl_nm/us_russia_ukraine_gas_24get poor when white man

Try this link:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090102/wl_nm/us_russia_ukraine_gas_24

last time i checked Russians and Ukrainians are white, so the point in posting a gas depute has what meaning to Zim?

It makes you wonder when people pull things out of there air to show a point not relevant!

Relevant is that mugabe and regime must go, then be tried for there crimes against the people of Zim!

And I think not paying your gas bill v beating your own people into submission through a campaign of violence and intimidation are completely different issues.

The white mans God???? Jesus was born a jew, the same Father of Jesus is the same creator who creator who created you. God is the same God of the Arabs as the Jews and Christians. Christ came for everyone who does not know the Father in heavan and not for the self righteous which is the same spirit uttering the words in your comment. Jesus does not condemn he came to save everyone from their own condemnation. You have a choice, either do the right thing by God or live with the hate of satan, I know where I would rather be. I pray for your salvation , becauase Jesus died for your life as He did for me and everyone else. He loves you to die for your salvation all over again. I thank the maker of the universe for sending His Son to die for me so i dont have to die in Hell.

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" ... Jesus was born a jew, .."

But he could have been born a Pigmy or a Australian Aborigine - or an Afghani and killed ihn infancy by the british .. And then it would be even more dramatic if he were born of a prostitute. since as an adult, he spent a lot of quality time with prostitutes. Why make it so hard on a teen who craves to be married a virgin? Defilement?

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" .. the same Father of Jesus is the same creator who creator who created you. .." Created Jesus. And created me. Jesus is a god. Holly witch! I may be god and nobody told me!

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" .. God ... Christ came for everyone .." Did no such thing - unless you rescind the assertion that god was/is always with us. And if he is ever present then he need not come because he is always here. You can't have it both ways!

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" .. he came to save everyone .."

Did he succeed? Apparently not - according to you and your fear of 'hell'. So, he is not - or you don't believe that he is - that powerful, right?

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" .. Jesus does not condemn .."

So, you would insist that "hell" and "die" and "fire" are NOT a condemnation.

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" .. I thank the maker ... i dont have to die in Hell. .."

Is that an expression of sheer cowardice? Are you afraid of dying? If so, you are out of luck: Pray a desperately as he could, even your jesus couldn't get out of this life alive. But have no worry my son, you have folied that god of yours: You will leave your body and your nerves behind. They can roast you all they want and you won't feel a thing.. And, of course, without your nerve endings you won't get to enjoy the company of virgin angels whose hedonistic pleasures you are eagerly looking forward to in heaven. [ Uh, what is a virgin spirit? And why is god masculine? If he did not begat jesus in the 'normal' way - and we assume that gods do not do things the 'normal' way - what evidence is there that god is masculine? ]

So, my son, your god story is as brain-dead as you and its adherents.

all a bit rich from Chokora, who things that there were nearly 1 million children raped in the UK last year. Clearly one not too worried about the truth getting in the way of a good story.

JACKBALLS RHODIE-TERRO IGNORAMUS, at least he can write. You, however, are the worst writer on this site, and you know it. By the way, one THINKS, not "THINGS," crackpot rhodie.

Moreover, what is this fixation of the rape of UK twarts? No Freud is necessary here: the conclusion that you are probably sired from... is nauseatingly wickedly, which means I applaud the unprintable interpretation, revealing.

Come back with with your moronic, savage grunts of "bla, bla, bla, shallow head", and I shall strip you of any veneer of erudition that you boneheadely project on this site.

Uneducated and uneducable rhodie vermin.

Let me get this straight. Zim is in the worst state it has ever been in, in its history and mugabe goes on holidays! What an absolute disgrace. mugabe and regime do not care at all for the people of Zim, they care only for themselves. mugabe and regime are suppose to be the servants of there people like any elected person is the world over.

Wonder if mugabe has run away for good as he knows what is coming. As no leader would ever begin to think about leaving for a months holiday during a cholera epidemic and with the financial situation the way it is.

Does everyone else see the funny side to mugabe, regime and there follows telling the US to leave it alone and then go and use the US dollar as Zim's main currency.

Mugabe has run away from Zim, let the takeover of Zim by the good people of Zim, start today.

Your type is obviously hors de loi, sans pareil.

Rhodie-terrorist, stop talking: do something, please, because man, I'll be standing right there to watch you hang once you have been convicted of terrorism.

And, I'll be there to watch the MT denizens now accused of conspiring to terrorize the Zimbabwean people HANG, IF THEY ARE FOUND GUILTY OF HEINOUS CRIMES TO WHICH THEIR NAMES HAVE BEEN ATTACHED.

CHEERS OF BLOOD FROM THE CITY OF RODIE TERRORIST HUNTERS, HARARE.

Your type is obviously hors de loi, sans pareil.

Rhodie-terrorist, stop talking: do something, please, because man, I'll be standing right there to watch you hang once you have been convicted of terrorism.

And, I'll be there to watch the MT denizens now accused of conspiring to terrorize the Zimbabwean people HANG, IF THEY ARE FOUND GUILTY OF HEINOUS CRIMES TO WHICH THEIR NAMES HAVE BEEN ATTACHED.

CHEERS OF BLOOD FROM THE CITY OF RODIE TERRORIST HUNTERS, HARARE.

Lol, it is impossible for me to be convicted of terrorism, because i am not one.

Jlaw, bet you don't have an answer {or one that makes sense to the majority} for the following.

This is a huge amount of money for only 10 million people! Jlaw, tells us all how much, China, Russia, Arab and African countries give and have given Zim! SA $30 million, China $500 thousand and its all down hill from there!

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This is to show the racist mugabe and regime followers how stupid and ungrateful they are!

I thought i would list the Aid given by the people mugabe and regime and there idiot supports hate and like!

Hate!

Australia- This assistance brings Australia’s support for Zimbabweans to nearly $20 million in 2008-09. http://www.ausaid.gov.au/media/release.cfm?BC=Media&ID=6419_3972_5206_7782_ 5781

This year, Australia has increased its aid for Zimbabwe by 33 per cent, to an estimated $6 million in 2006-07 http://www.ausaid.gov.au/media/release.cfm?BC=Media&ID=782_8558_8347_223_52 44

US -Last year the United States, the world’s dominant food aid donor, provided about 175,000 tons of food to Zimbabwe worth $171 million, American officials said. It already has about $96 million worth of food in the pipeline for Zimbabwe this year, they said. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/12/world/africa/12zimbabwe.html?fta=y

Less than a week after giving $600,000 to help the Zimbabwe government and international donors get control of a deadly cholera epidemic that has killed more than 800 people since August, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) announced that it will contribute another $6.2 million to the effort. http://www.america.gov/st/health-english/2008/December/20081211161620lcnire llep0.8917505.html

USAID has been actively involved in responding to the food security situation in Zimbabwe since early 2002 and has delivered more than 700,000 MT of food aid valued at more than $400 million to Zimbabwe over the last five years, making it the largest donor of food assistance in that country. USAID also supports emergency food aid programs in other countries in the region including Swaziland, Lesotho and Mozambique. http://www.usaid.gov/press/releases/2007/pr070724.html

UK- Britain currently provides £40m a year. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/03/zimbabwe.internationalaidanddev elopment

EU- The European Commission has approved €15 million in humanitarian aid for vulnerable groups in Zimbabwe. With the current decision Echo humanitarian aid to Zimbabwe since 2001 has topped €54.5 million. http://www.europa-eu-un.org/articles/en/article_3413_en.htm

The list goes on and on Botswana etc etc etc etc!

Remember Australia only has a population of 20 million people! If you know anything about history you will know Australia was one of the big helpers in 1980 to help liberate Zimbabwe or like most mugabe supports have people forgotten this!

Like a moribund bourgeois, a petit bourgeois, to be precise, WE TALK HONOR, you count pennies.

Rhodie-terrorists, we got you: with and within the scope of the law, unlike your master's Gitmo, we shall prosecute, and if such be successful, hang you will.

If you think that this is your fathers' Rhodesia, then you have another think coming, loosey goosey obscurantists and archaic xenophobes and your African fifth columnist vomit.

WE WILL ROCK YOU.

PROJECT NAB'EM IN THE CITY OF ETERNAL VIGILANCE, HARARE.

Which part of me being Australian do you not get. None of my family have ever been Rhodies. Lol, hence why you get laughed at so much i guess!

As i said in my post above, i knew you would never answer the question asked because you cant or wont because you are ashamed of the people you follow!

Australia helped Zimbabwe get there independence in 1980 and will help to free Zimbabwe of the disgusting mugabe and regime in 2009.

Whenever I see a post with the author as Shallowhead, I immediately now skip over it and dont waste my time reading it. I suggest others do the same. He never makes any sense, fails in his vain attempt to confuse and seem intelligent. He continually invents words and uses other words out of context. He believes that the beating of a 2 year old in police detention is ok, and on this basis has no moral standing. He also craves the attention of people trying to discuss things with him, except he will never answer any questions proposed to him, or debate things in a logical or reasonable manner. He will also call you every name under the sun. He is a true example of why you should never argue with an idiot. He will only bring you down to his level and beat you with experience. I suggest you dont waste your time. There's none so deaf as those who will not listen, and shallowhead fits quite firmly into this category. There is surely a village somewhere missing its idiot.

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Whenever I see a post with the author as Shallowhead, I immediately now skip over it and dont waste my time reading it. I suggest others do the same. He never makes any sense, fails in his vain attempt to confuse and seem intelligent. He continually invents words and uses other words out of context. He believes that the beating of a 2 year old in police detention is ok, and on this basis has no moral standing. He also craves the attention of people trying to discuss things with him, except he will never answer any questions proposed to him, or debate things in a logical or reasonable manner. He will also call you every name under the sun. He is a true example of why you should never argue with an idiot. He will only bring you down to his level and beat you with experience. I suggest you dont waste your time. There's none so deaf as those who will not listen, and shallowhead fits quite firmly into this category. There is surely a village somewhere missing its idiot.

An Osama bin mt mouse sleeper clogging the lines of allafrica.com with his loosey goosey, hocus pokus broken riff.

WE WILL ROCK YOU IN HARARE

Hypocracy at its finest.

Hollowjaw, why don't you just use the white man's word "Cheers" and cheer yourself away back to inguchini , a great place for people with verbal diharhea and no mind. Stop using white mans, who you despise .language, do you only know Cheers a white mans word ? Ku penga , zvokwadi !

Zola zazu zambezi zulu;

If by "Jesus" you mean the earthly Jesus, then you are right to say that he "was born a Jew". But if you mean the Son of GOD then He was not "born a Jew".

The Heavenly Jesus ONLY spoke through the flesh named Jesus by earthly beings. GOD sent the Holy Spirit called Jesus (Emmanuel) to work on earth for all the people of this earth. This is why the flesh was and could be killed by earthly beings but the Spirit continued to work within the people of this earth up to this day.

The Heavenly Jesus was created in Haven and was never born on this earth to a sinning being. He only used the flesh born to Joseph and Mary to propagate His Father's message. That is why even today the Holy Spirit speaks through different individuals but this does not make the individuals GOD - they are just mediums through which GOD passes His message to the people and receives prayers from us. These individuals can actually sin and can go to hell on judgment day.

However, what is for sure is that the Holy Spirit does not speak through people like Desmond Tutu who is advocating for the bombing of innocent Zimbabweans, does not speak through the present day Jews who are massacring Palestinians in Gaza, does not speak through the CIA who are killing innocent people through cholera, HIV/AIDS, Syphilis and does not speak through those who are killing innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Associated Press, NAIROBI, Kenya, Jan9, 2009 – Ten million people risk going hungry in Kenya ...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090109/ap_on_re_af/af_kenya_hunger

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[[[ Tutu said he was "deeply distressed" over South Africa's stance on the soaring humanitarian crises (in Kenya) and the world must use force to remove (Kibaki and his cronies from power in Kenya). He added that (Kibaki) is going to be charged before the ICC. ]]]

By the way, 10 million is about a third of the population. However, Kibaki's tribesmen, the GEMA (Gikuyu, Embu, Meru) are not among the starving: They are thriving and getting even richer at the expense of the rest of Kenya. That is another reason why Tutu may want the white man's boy Kibaki forced out and gone to the ICC.

Economic sanctions for Kibaki, anyone?