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The only terrorists in Zimbabwe are the ZANU PF who beat, rape, murder and torture your fellow Zimbabweans to greedily hold onto power.

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Ballony, baby rhodie: sheer Osama bint mt sleeper humbug, dude.

Grow up, dude.

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Its your propaganda!!! No such thing ever happened ...and you know its all lies. Where is Morgan Tsvangi's family? Nobody would even think of doing such a dastard thing .. not in Great Zimbabwe.

Propaganda Akap? The value of you and your mates comments is clear: "There is no cholera in Zimbabwe" "There is no torture of 2 year old children in Zimbabwe" "There is no crisis" "Missing MDC-activists are not in police custody" "Zimbabwe is mine" "I am elected" "Great Zimbabwe"

well said.

Nonsense.

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Kube, are you going to give your land back to the Maori's in New Zealand when they ask for it. According to your views of indigenous land owndership you should dont you think. In fact, I'm part Maori, why dont you leave it to me. Whats your address? Just leave the keys in the letterbox and leave quietly. Would hate to have to beat and torture you before forcing you to leave.

awt, you are going out of the subject by reaching out to other areas. I bet you that if the Maoris had guns and power to claim back their land, they would do it or attempt to do it. Historically wars and genocide have been fought over land, nothing new about it! White Zimbabwe, who have stayed in Zimbabwe have somewhat come to the realization about land - That is they have to give in some!!! A white Zimbabwean Farmer recently contributed a wonderful article on allafrica about land in Zimbabwe and the land reform in Zimbabwe. He was writing about what the SADC ruled and how Zimbabwe could still implement land reform, while respecting the rights of white farmers. Even, Tsvangirai surport some level of land reform. And most Zimbabweans agree about the concept of land reform.

Phiri, I am part Maori and live in New Zealand. All I am suggesting is that Kube lives by his principals of indigenous land ownership that he talks about in Zimbabwe, this means he should be giving all his land in NZ to me. Maori's traditionally do not view land as ownable. But under the Treaty of Waitangi that my ancestors signed, we have been granted amounts of valuable land. And we abide by this treaty. The mighty Maori, outnumbered and outgunned beat the might of the English army and forced the signing of this treaty. Shame the Zimbo warriors werent brave enough, smart enough or courageous enough to do the same.

Awt_indepedent;

The major and fundamental difference between Kubatana's 'ownership' of land in New Zealand and those who owned 80% of all arable land in Zimbabwe before 2000 is that Kubatana did not invade New Zealand and take that land by force but bought it freely. Your ancestors, who massacred and ethnically cleansed the Maori, just like in Zimbabwe, did not buy the land but took it by force and gave themselves title to it.

That is the fundamental difference between colonisers and the colonised. The colonisers parcelled out good land to themselves and forcibly removed those who were on that land and in this case, Blacks, whether Maori or Zimbabweans, while Kubatana paid money to get the land.

You lie that the Maori forced the signing of the "Treaty of Waitangi" when infact they are the ones who were forced into signing off all their land to invaders. If they were not forced why would they be granted and by whom, "amounts of valuable land" instead of granding themselves? In any case who would grand the owner of a piece of land, the right to use his land and especially when the owner is the victor in a war over the same land? In other words I am saying, how can a foreigner grand me authority to use my own land (which I had been using for thousands of years) if they have not defeated me? PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE!!!

You also, besides lying that you are Maori, mislead everybody here by saying that the "Maori's traditionally do not view land as ownable". If they did not view land as "ownable" why then did they have to fight a costly war to the extent of almost being extinct. You only fight for what you value and what is yours by right?

They were almost wiped out by barbarians from Britain who killed everything that moved and this is why the Maori chiefs had to sign the treat to avoid any further genocide on the few remaining of their people who, by now, had become a minority to the invaders through genocide, massacre and ethnic cleansing.

This is also why you have the guts to say that the Maoiri were "outnumbered". How can a whole community be "outnumbered" by a few criminals expelled from Britain?

Takunya, you continue to talk about something you clearly know nothing about. Why is this? You have clearly never been to New Zealand, nor studied its history, yet you seem to think you are an expert.

How many of the whites in Zimbabwe paid for there land? I suspect some. Therefore they should be entitled to this land. Is this what you are saying? I mean "Kubatana did not invade New Zealand and take that land by force but bought it freely." Surely this is the same as the white people who arrived in Zimbabwe after all the 'invasion' etc had finished and purchased land. So surely the whites in Zimbabwe who have purchased their land, according to your theory, should have the same rights as Kube in NZ. Am I right?

My ancestors are both Maori and European. And there was no ethnic cleansing in NZ. You state this, but provide no evidence, so clearly you are making this up. And besides, its pretty common knowledge that there was nothing of this in NZ. The Maori's actually beat the English, and invented trench warfare. The were smart, and although outnumbered by the British, forced the British into seeking another way to resolve the battle.

Maori's were never forcibly removed from any of their lands. Why do you make this up?

The Maori's were also not forced into signing the Treaty of Waitangi. Why do you make this up?

The Treaty of Waitgangi doesnt even sign land over to the whites. In fact the Treaty recognised Maori ownership of their lands and other properties, and gave Maori the rights of British subjects.

You also forget that the Maori were only in New Zealand for some 600 years before the Europeans arrived and are rumoured to have fought and etnically clensed the Maoriori people who were in New Zealand before them. So based on your theory, the land doesnt belong to the Maori either, but the Maoriori.

See, you shouldnt really be commenting on things you simply know nothing about.

You say I'm lying, but it is common knowledge that Maori's traditionally do not view land as ownable. They see it as everyones. Its purely a western belief that was brought to NZ by the English that land belongs to someone.

And when will you get it? The Maori never nearly became extinct! They beat the English!

You say that "the Maori chiefs had to sign the treat to avoid any further genocide on the few remaining of their people who, by now, had become a minority to the invaders through genocide, massacre and ethnic cleansing." What absolute nonense. You couldnt be further from the truth.

You even talk about Maori's being outnumbered by a few "British criminals". When did British criminals ever come to New Zealand? Are you sure you're not confusing New Zealands free settlers with the penal colony set up in Australia? Dear oh dear, you really are confused arent you.

You really need to stick to commenting on things you actually know dont you think? Actually that would probably rule out, well pretty much everything.

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d_bokk, my home country is in fact New Zealand, and I have no qualms at all with the stance that the New Zealand government makes on world affairs. I support it fully, and am proud of the respect a small country like New Zealand has on the world stage. We are small, but have some of our people working in very influential positions. I wouldnt hesitate to oust a NZ PM if I felt they were doing harm to the people of NZ. NZ people would never stand for the beating of a 2 year old in police detention, yet you support it. You clearly say that its ok because it happens elsewhere. I support Obama coming to power and think GWB is a warmongering disgrace, and that the people of Iraq deserve better. And you have to agree that the people of Zimbabwe are the same. And Mugabe is also a disgrace. When people suffer, no matter where, these things need to be fixed. And Zimbabwe is a prime example of this. Agree?

God !!!! Thumping on a two year old. I thought it couldn't get any worst in Zimbabwe but Mugabe Boys keep surprising me. To JOC's finest and ZANU, you keep kicking the 3 legged dog, and some day you will be looking down the barrel of an AK-47. I have posted this article on 24 links in North America and in Asia. Wanted them to see what kind of folks rule Zimbabwe. It is total anarchy now, no rule of law and no place to appeal. Zimbabwe is a dead country. And it used to be so beautiful.

And the shameless South African President is calling for rule of law and good governance in Guinea, yet he could not even get the balls to look Mugabe in the face. I pray for the lower cadre of the Military to teach these idiots a lesson.

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Thats treason!!!!

Thats not true, of course. It never happened and cannot happen in Great Zimbabwe. What a shame for you sink so low in your propanda against the sitting gvt, our gvt...a reality!!! By the way, was it early this year that a woman prisoner was made to give birth with handcuffs on and woman prison warden present throuhout the time ..where? in London's Holloway jail not Chikurubi...

I think akafunboy is blind to what is happening in Zimbabwe. 1 incident in the UK compared does not make that incident ok, or the thousands of incidents in Zimbabwe defendable.

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For saying that Civilised people would have drawn a line long before the beating of a 2 year old and that this very act is disgusting, makes me "lower than the belly of a snake and your views of Zimbabwe stinks in the nostrils of heaven."

If you are saying that the article is made up, then you should be directing your anger at author, not me. Clearly though, according to this article, a 2 year old child WAS beaten in police detention. To say it didnt happen is simple denial in its crudest form. And these denials by people like yourself allow more and more of these attrocities to occur. Wake up and stop allowing these things to happen! Show some humanity!

Still in NZ Kube? Mr "My job keeps me here" What a joke. Still scared to go back to Zimbabwe I see...

iqbout6 a lot of things would not happen in Zimbabwe but the reality shows all these horrible events actually take place. Zimbabwe needs people like awt, prem and the other good thinkers. I wish them a happy 2009. And that Zimbabwe gets liberated from this gangsterregime sponsored by SA.

Happy new year to you too mate. May 2009 lead to the downfall of Mugabe and the corrupt ZANU PF so that the people of Zimbabwe can finally prosper and live life with the dignity they deserve.

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jallohlaw, you mean thousands of innocent good people of Zim will perish at the hands of mugabe and regime in 2009 as they have done for 20+ years.

I wish all good people a great 2009 and may it be a great year for all. I wish the good people of Zim a happy new year.

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Jabba reading your posts and any of those who deny the thug actions of a desperate regime out of control only prooves how much your heroes are nothing but a pack of fakes.Just like some we know, hey Jabba.

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The infiltration by rhodie terrorists of MT's terrorist political party is now public knowledge.

The only issue on the table is the State of Zimbabwe's response to this irregrable fact.

We call on the State of Zimbabwe to enforce the law without mercy; to esclate its spying operations on rhodie terrorists in Harare and in neighboring Botswana; AND to crush the MT terrorist movement. NOW, AND NOT A MINUTE LATER.

Cheers to Cde. Mugabe from the African Youth Brigade in the City of MT terrorists Terminators, HARARE.

Hahahaha Hollowjaw, if Cde Mugabe only knew how much you "like" Little Boys, he'd have you in Chikarubi in a heartbeat. The rest of us know about your matanyuri ways ! Maybe a word to the Herald and then to CDE Mugabe himself ! Hahahaha

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Since 1996 women in Holloway or any other institute in the UK can be shackled when giving child birth. Not that this was any excuse for the practice prior to 1996. However this has nothing to do with a 2 year old in Zimbabwe beaten in order to force his mother to sign a confession. What kind of people are you?

SILLY, loaded soupist question from Schizo- bi-polar goal post. Do they teach evidential relevance in soupist Freesmell schools?

Slyvia Olayinka Blyden, Sbi-p, you have become my reflective whipping baby girl, despite your legendary looks.

Revolutionary West Africa Anti-Soupist Movement.

jrr562004:

" ... a 2 year old in Zimbabwe beaten in order to force his mother to sign a confession. What kind of people are you? ... "

We may be just like the kind of people who KILL toddlers in the Middle East - by the thousands.

You MAY BE very astute or you may be real dumb.

You are dumb if you missed the word "allegedly" in the phrase "allegedly beaten by". Therefore you read that the act occurred in reality - not that it is a conjecture which is yet to be verified as true.

You are astute if you know that you are engaging in propaganda - of spreading half-truths and downright lies - so as to achieve a unstated desired goal.

For instance, consider what democracies like UK do:

- we rape, torture and kill innocent people in Iraq,

- and we rationalize it by asserting that the people thus tortured, raped and/or slaughtered were "suspected terrorists".

- And we broadcast it far and wide - over our CNNs, VOAs and BBCs.

To most of us - who are of average intelligence like you, jrr562004 - a suspect IS guilty. Must be - since it was proclaimed by an authority as such and it appeared in print. [ Call it the "placebo effect"]

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For instance, I SUSPECT that you, jrr562004, raped a woman last night. Hence that makes you, jrr562004, a suspected rapist. Therefore, according to you and the propagandists, jrr562004 IS a rapist. I don't have to produce the evidence - I just let it be known widely that you are suspect and thus I can "justifiably" stone you to death immediately, if the going punishment for rape is death by stoning. [My real purpose may have been to get you out of the way - because you have a beautiful wife.]

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Do you remember that Africans were allegedly incapable, sub-human and THEREFORE the superior white man had to (justifiably) invade their lands, rape, torture and kill them and reign over what is left? What the vicious plundering whites really wanted was the lands and the resources therein.

It is STILL the idea behind the posturing by the western countries and their NGOs, UNs, IMFs, World Banks, WHOs, .... [They call it "manifest destiny"]

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So far, the nasty agitators accused of sedition/treason in democratic Zimbabwe have yet to be raped, tortured and/or killed. They are whining - yet they yet have to be held incommunicado in a military concentration camp for even a year!

What happened to bravery, traitors?

Interesting.

You say that .... "You are astute if you know that you are engaging in propaganda - of spreading half-truths and downright lies - so as to achieve a unstated desired goal."

So when you said on here that nearly 1 million children were raped in the UK last year, which clearly is an out right lie, you knew what you were doing! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

Could never happen in the Great Zimbabwe. How long ago was it that a pregnant woman was kicked by the police so hard in her stomach that she lost her baby? Brave folk you ZANU lot are.

Sylvia Oya Blyden, stop making a donkey out your soupist self: for one thing, you absolutely cannot write.

Incredible.

How many hands and limbs did the RUF hack in Sierra Leone? Behold: you, Schizo-bipolar Blyden, aka ss(oh, how apt)3conteh, jrr--- moniker factory, for short---YOU WERE THE RUF'S GOEBBEL, n'est pas, madame soupist?

And, you have the chutzpa to abuse Zimbabweans?

Worse than death is a woman without shame or a conscience.

Pitiful rhodie sympathizer.

Anti-rhodie sympathizer Brigade in the City that does not hack arms and limbs of babies.

"Soupist" = Another made up, meaningless word by hollowjaw.

Increasingly erratic nonsense from wat, the rhodie Osama BINT mt sleeper.

Sordid, indeed.

Hollowjaw, all you ever do is come on here and say that the content of anyone who says anything against Mugabe is nonsense. Yet you have no argument to back up your comments. Its easy to simply come on here and say that peoples comments are nonsense. It takes an intelligent man to come on here and use logic and sensible argument to rebut another persons comments. But you never do it. You just come here and waste peoples time. It really is quite sad, and extremely childish. Nonsense here, nonsense there. No one even cares what you say anymore because you never have anything constructive to say.

And you always go and make yourself look even more stupid by signing if with some childish piece about where you are from. It really is pathetic.

Questions for allAfrica:

We note with interest that:

a) - Your list of "Most Commented" does not at all correspond to your list of "Most Read" nor "Most Emailed". Does this suggest that most visitors to your site do not care to comment on news items which are of interest to them? Moreover, if they care to email the items to friends, they must have an opinion they wish to share.

b) - And that your list of "Most Commented" would roughly correspond to a list of "Most Threatening to White Power in Africa" - category into which opinion articles emanating from allafrica.com would fall.

c) - We note with interest that one or two comments which are critical of some countries like Zimbabwe places that item on "Most Commented" list. However, a few comments critical of western interests in some countries such as Kenya and Uganda (which may be considered the west's client states) do not place that item on the "Most Commented" list.

d) - And we suspect that the line-up on the allafrica staff is probably not composed MOSTLY of Africans. That makes us curious about the interests of the owners of the magazines, journals and newspapers that are included in the lineup at allafrica and, in particular, those that are excluded. Letr us ask the question this way: Can we expect the newspaper owned by the British land squatter kicked out of Zimbabwe to be 'impartial' in the selection of - or reporting about - or commenting on - news from Zimbabwe?

Hence we may ask:

1) Is allafrica strictly a "content service provider .. distributor of African news.." OR is it into creating the news and propaganda as well? [See b) and d) above]

2) What is the nature of allafrica.com's preoccupation with the west's imperial strategies in Africa in general and Zimbabwe in particular? [See b) above]

3) Is allafrica primarily targeted at the European audience? What would we think of a bureau staffed mostly by the Chinese (who do not speak the local lingo) which purports to provide news content and opinion on Israel or avaZulu? Colonial, right? [See a) above]

Here is a response from a colleague:

" ... Is allafrica site strictly English only? Ultimately, the locals of Zimbabwe - the Ndebele and Shona etc. - have the final say in matters regarding Zimbabwe.

So if the people of Zimbabwe wish to write their comment to each other in the local dialects, they should do so ... in fact I wish they would ... And let the foreign rhodies and her plundering majesty's subjects on the site eat cake .. "

My sentiments exactly.

Clearly allafrica.com is run by the West since it continues to post the toilet paper Herald articles for people in those countries to have good laugh at.

If you bothered to read the articles published here at all, since you claim interest, you will see most come from the Zanu propaganda papers. I wish allafrica.com wouldn't post such embarassing tripe, but they are free and democratic unlike the media of Zim.

Chokora at the very moment you come with your complaint about Allafrica.com possibly being a propagandainstrument for whites and the west I count 33 headlines on the main Zimbabwepage coming from the Herald, published by the "government of Zimbabwe" out of a total of 36 headlines. Allafrica did not publish themselves the counted rising number of people who have cholera in Zimbabwe up to more than 31.000 now nor did they publish the view on the case of the abducted MDC activists as you can find it on BBC-worldpage. We only see the Herald's view on the main page.

The problem is that the whole world sees what is happening to Zimbabwe rightly as the fault of a corrupt government. And hence all the comments on this site. I guess the people that allow the beating of a 2 year old in police detention are slightly out number, both in people, and also in good over evil. The good will always come though on top. And Chokoras problem is that anyone that speaks out against the corrupt murderous government is called every name under the sun by Chokora as he is simply in denial about Zimbabwe. Well said Kooi by the way.

start your own site in shona chokora and enjoy the local vernacular..not sure what lingo you speak but hopefully you will be able to communicate in both shona and ndebele as well as your other contributors. leave the hated english site to us and whilst you at, you and your VERY observant friend can try communicating in each other's mother tongue!!! that ought to make for an lively discussion!!

I wonder sometimes if the people who post on here have had their brains taken out!! it is not only zimbos that log on to read or contribute on here fool...its EVERYBODY that cares about injustice as well as deadheads that love mugabe!!!! Not all are from zimbabwe.

" ... and allegedly beaten by .."

ALLEGEDLY?

I wonder what dimwits would be in a rush to go from " and allegedly beaten" to "and beaten"? Yes - the usual brain-dead white supremacist trash on the site.

We note that S W Radio is based n London, UK - the home of the plundering, raping killers who was been rejected by the natives of maZimbabwe. We really do not expect those yahoos on the barren islands to the west of France to praise the great Cde Mugabe, the man of the people.

And suppose this SW Radio showered Cde Mugabe with praise, would they be put out of business or maybe charged in court - with treason? Uh huh -- Beware.

It reminds us of the story narrated in the USA Congress about Saddam Hussein personally pulling premature children off respirators. Americans were outraged. Saddam had to be killed. True? Who cares! He kills babies! The damage was done - and white masses ( of USA and Europe) bayed for Saddam's blood. As a result, the whites invaded the Middle East in an orgy of slaughter.

However, it turned out that Saddam did nothing of the sort. The story was carefully planted to tag at the emotions of the masses.

[Here comes a story - with love from Europe - about Cde Mugabe beating up toddlers ..]

Just like the phony story about Iraq having nuclear weapons WMDs which led to the invasion of Iraq, the murder of their democratically-elected leader and the killing of thousands upon thousands of babies and their mothers. But Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction - but we have lots of them. Duplicity.

"Allegedly"?

LIES. Propaganda? Should we expect respectable media to verify its information and shun of printing gossip?

But then. respectable media and people of goodwill the world over salute the people of Zimbabwe and praise Zimbabwe's efforts to wrest control of their resources and their ancestral lands - from the very foreign plunderers who,over the centuries, have raped, tortured, killed and exterminated natives on the world's continents.

We note that many valiant natives of Zimbabwe have died and are dying as a result of the current hostile actions taken against the people of Zimbabwe by Africa's eternal foreign plunderers and killers.

There is no such things as Alleged when people are held by the police or mugabe and regimes cronies in Zim. Anyone that thinks otherwise is blind and is only condoning the actions! I ask you this, would your sprout the same if it was one of your family?? I think not but there time will come and the world will give you the same deaf ears but respect justice!

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and they were also ALLEDGEDLY recruiting people to take out Mugabe, yet they remain illegally, against the constitution of Zimbabwe, in detention. What happened innocent until proven guilty?

You aint no hero when you kill a child and you cannot cry You aint no hero when you shoot a liner from the sky You aint no hero when you're preaching fear and hate and you shy away from battles with the army of the lord

You have a choice repent or burn in the fiery furnaces of hell.

" ... preaching fear and hate ... "

That is OK, son. There is plenty of fear and hate preached in that bible manifesto. When is the last time you read the book of revelations or about phillistines?

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" .. battles with the army of the lord .."

Now, if I were that powerful - omnipotent - why would I need an 'army' or should we understand that power comes fro the barrel of a gun even in heaven? Why would there be 'battles' anyway - for one who merely says 'Let there be light' and it happens?

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".. burn in the fiery furnaces of hell. .."

Do spirits burn? Is there 'fire' in hell? Is there firewood there?

Chakora, those who believe in God believe that nothing is impossible with God. Just as God did not need a match to create light, He does not need firewood to create fire. Do you need firewood to have a burning desire for something? It is all a matter of interpretation including scriptures.

" .. It is all a matter of interpretation including scriptures. .. "

So let us interpret!

" .. Almighty UNKULUNKULU, the God who cares. His parents were the Creator Gods UMVELINQANGI and UHLANGA who created him out of reeds, ..."

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Let us see: What did you say about our gods?

When the natives interpret their religion, you say they are heathen, primitive "animists" who must be converted and their priests killed. Right? Not only in Africa: You may not remember what Europeans did to the Aztecs of South America.

Can we all interpret our writings and scriptures and live happily ever after? [And while we are at it, let the religions thus inclined - including Christianity, Judaism and Animism - keep its promotion of violence and 'hideous ideologies' of terrorism ..]

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May the Almighty MWARI, the infinitely wise, smile upon thee ....

Kusvikira rini narini.

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You can not see a diffrence between a group of men in a jail beating a 2 year old and a 2 year old accidentally killed in a military attack?? Please tell me your not that stupid you think any child or innocent adult is killed on purpose on the gaza strip!

What is the point in comparing apples to oranges? More children have died because of mugabe and regime in Zim than any other country in the world. mugabe and regime has now made it that the life expectancy for men and women in Zim is 39 years as opposed to countries like mine that the life expectancy is over 80 years old. This is a disgrace bought on by mugabe and regime and they do not care at all about it.

Let me get this straight. Zim is in the worst state it has ever been in, in its history and mugabe goes on holidays! What an absolute disgrace. mugabe and regime do not care at all for the people of Zim, they care only for themselves. mugabe and regime are suppose to be the servants of there people like any elected person is the world over.

Wonder if mugabe has run away for good as he knows what is coming. As no leader would ever begin to think about leaving for a months holiday during a cholera epidemic and with the financial situation the way it is.

Does everyone else see the funny side to mugabe, regime and there follows telling the US to leave it alone and then go and use the US dollar as Zim's main currency.

Mugabe has run away from Zim, let the takeover of Zim by the good people of Zim, start today.

Chokora, it is regrettable that there were those who regarded "natives" as "heathen, primitive animists and killing their priests" to convert them. Those who did so were overzealous, ignorant ding-bats who did not understand what Nkulunkulu is all about. By regarding traditional healers as witch doctors, so much was lost to medicine too.Today we are scrambling to find cures for diseases that these early healers would have known and passed down. The Nkulunkulu that I try to serve is the one that gave me the 10 guidelines (or Commandments) to follow, the first of which is about the the worship of Him and the second of which is love - loving those who are even different from me in every aspect. What I should not love are those things and actions which cause untold injury, suffering, death and destruction. I believe Nkulunkulu expects us to be custodians of one another and everything else on this planet earth.

Would you please, in the name of the many Gods of Africa, keep your religion to yourself?

We talk of honor, and you talk about wobbly doctrine of a wobbly 'god' who got slaughterd by Roman military power. A god is a lamb! Divine Zeus!

Now, if you choose to believe that, then that is your bag. Believe in whatever you wish: stones, white skin, trees or, worse of the worst: the holy trinity.

However, should you present your confessional articles of faith as solutions to political problems, you should not be surprised by the deconstructive tsumani that will submerge your confessional boat.

We are not interested in the religion of the West. (And, we know that how atheistic most Westerners are). Now, whether that religion came from Egypt, Ethiopia, or whatever, we care not.

We are not interested theological thematics, period.

Accordingly, if you want your confession confettied keep pushing it as a solution to the political problems of Zimbabwe.

Warning from the Brigade of Pragmatic Compartmentalization in the Pragmatic City, Harare.

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kjrs120: " .. The Nkulunkulu that I try to serve.." Why would you do that? Why would an "all powerful" need servants? WOuldn't the guy who says "Let there be light and there was light" merely say "Let it all happens" and it happens? When he was talking about light, were there servants busily cranking up the light?

Buddy, King Shaka may have needed servants. Mwari, the infinitely wise, needs no servant. Are you sure that your god needs servants? He is a creep, for sure. [In addition to having the anti-social, psychopathic craving to defile teens like Mary. By the way, you may have noticed that I say neither "he" nor "she" when referring to Almighty MWARI - for MWARI is neither of them. Your Neanderthalian ancestors were sure dim-witted beasts to come up with lecherous gods.]

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" .. is the one that gave me the 10 guidelines (or Commandments) to follow, .."

Maybe YOU needed guidelines. Without those guidelines - would you turn into a clueless zombie?

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" .. the worship of Him .."

Hmm! A go a bsolutely lacking in confidence. Such is a 'god' that craves validation from his supposedly inferior creation that would be lost without guidelines!

" .. and the second of which is love .."

I wonder what you mean by that. Do you suggest that the god who unleashes pestilences and genocide on philistines and all that cross him is full of 'love'. Is that the love that will drive him to roast people as revealed in the book of revelations?

So, after the people are well-done in that fire of your god, what does he do with them? Nothing. Just sheer godly joy. Sadism. Send in the next bunch, please!

Your ancestors sure were to come up with such myth!

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" .. I believe Nkulunkulu expects us to be custodians of one another .."

OK. That is your belief and I have no quarrel with a belief - even if you believe that a cow (or Tsvangirai) is a (corporeal) manifestation of your god.

But suppose we explore your belief? An 'expectation' may come true or be fulfilled - or it may not.

Firstly, maybe your god has 'expectations'. A worthwhile 'god' has no expectations. A worthwhile concept of an almighty 'god(s)' is that the deity is all knowing (omniscient)- or that ALL that happens in the past, in the present and in the future is known within the pantheon.

Secondly, if humans can do good by one another and be their own 'custodians', then their need for a 'god', "heaven" and "hell "is severely diminished. Why look forward to something that may unravel the whole myth?

Deathwish? Definitely not.

Dastardly hypocrisy? YES! [For your 'god' is the mental creation of those 'regime changing', native-converting, native-enslaving, native-killing YET supposedly kindly foreigners, right?]

So, your god reveals traits that severely undermine his supposedly well-crafted narrative of an omnipotent and an omniscient deity! DIM.

Chokora, you are free to criticize what I understand of my Nkulunkulu all you want. It is evident, and I am not at all surprised that as a Zanu-pf and a supporter of such a cold- blooded killer, Robert Mugabe, you would live your life without guide lines. Without those guide lines, then you are saying you do as you wish and are therefore out of control. Therefore, your Zimbabwe is a clear picture of a country run by lawlessness and madness. Keep going as you are, but one day you will all wake up when you will be made to answer for all the killings, beatings of children and all the destruction and thefts. Who will make you answer? Those more powerful than you who believe in one of the " guidelines." The law.

kjrs120:

Poor coward!

" .. .. such a cold- blooded killer.. you would live your life without guide lines....Therefore, .. is a clear picture of a country run by lawlessness and madness. .. you will be made to answer for all the killings, beatings of children and all the destruction and thefts ..."

Who are you talking about ..

1) Bush?

Save your breadth: He does not care for your blabber. His stance is that whatever is accepted here on earth, is also accepted in the here-after. And what USA wants here on earth, then that is the law on earth and hence it is also accepted in the here-after too.

2) Blair?

He already knows he will answer for the orgy oif toddler-killings in Iraq/Afghanistan. Somehow he believes that he will get away with it. Perhaps he notes that that god wallows in the same sport of slaughter and gore as chronicled in the old testament part of his bible manifesto.

3) OR

Are you referring to your murderous british land-grabbers in Zimbabwe? Or the macabre pride by the whites in the centuries of rapes, torture, slaughter and killings of children, and all the destruction and thefts" all over the world?

Do you see those british killers hesitate as they go out for another bout of killings and beatings in Afghanistan - or stop gloating as they starve the kids in Africa with sanctions and denial of their resources? NO.

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Hint: Your bible and gods is a convenience: Use the first part (the old testament?) to justify your invasion and slaughter of humans --> then convert (by force) the disoriented, bereaved, traumatized natives to your religion --> then FORCE the natives to embrace the later part of your bible manifesto - forgive/love - so that they do not carry on a campaign of nationalistic resistance or unleash brutal retribution for your deeds later. Clever, eh?

[Note: History suggests that no invader can withstand a sustained campaign of nationalistic resistance. Think of Vietnam. Thus, hot on the heels of the invasions and the slaughter, comes the missionaries, their Xtianity to supplement the mopping-up (that is, slaughtering humans) counter-intelligence operations so as to pre-empt any possibility of retribution by the natives.

Yes, Tutu of the dresses fits in the scheme of things - he serves their purpose in Africa.

Note: Indigenous religions are often viciously proscribed in many African (neo-colonial) countries - like Kenya ..]

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In case you are talking about Bush, save your breadth: He does not care for your blabber. His stance is that whatever is accepted here on earth, is also accepted in the here-after. And what USA wants here on earth, then that is the law on earth and hence it is also accepted in the here-after too.

Nietzche once said that Christianity was an imposition on the religions of Europeans.

Accordingly, one could reasonably infer that European Christians are fifth columnists in the service of THE hustler sans pareil: Paul, a barbarian in the realm of letters compared to the Divine Plato, the Divine Socrates, not to mention the brilliant philologists of classical Greco-Roman civilization.

We demand the same for Africans: return to the religions of your ancestors. This religion, Christianity---and there are many christianities---softened African warriors, made it easier for 'Christian' Imperialists to occupy African lands, and decimated the spiritual fecundity of Africans.

Exhibit One: Desmond Tutu, the Goebbels of the right in the Western Imperium, planted right here in our midst.

Tutu---in the flesh---is a decisive argument against Christianity in Africa. After all, his first name is "Desmond."

Name an African ancestor named "Desmond" before the European invasion of Africa! Black skin, white mask, therefore; thus speaks Franz Fanon.

And, we don't want to become Tutus.

Committee on African Religiousity in the City that respects the Gods of our Ancestors, HARARE.

Chokora and jallohlaw, finished your stupid ranting? The ranting of idiots who think they know it all. Wow, what a wonderful paradise Zimbabwe must be being governed by such perfect people who are not only so versed against injustices but importantly treat their OWN citizens with utmost care with no cruelty ever perpetrated on them! Is it any wonder the world is flocking to Zimbabwe! Hey, but what about their own Ndebele they massacred by the thousands, and those MDC supporters they also massacred - burning and wiping out whole families including children? What about the MIILIONS who have fled from Mugabe's wrath? Yet they say they are better than Bush and Blair and they worship gods better than that of Desmond Tutu. Chokora and jallohlaw, because you support a tyrannical, murderous and thieving government of ROBERT(Incidentally not an indigenous name) Mugabe, you too cannot point a finger at anyone. You are bloody hypocrites who need more guidance from your indigenous gods.

Wow, we got them rocking in the Valley of Stupid rhodies.

What a silly, imbecile and badly crafted sermon about nothing?

ANOTHER ONE LOSES THE COOL, THE AFRICAN COOL.

Pity from the Brigade of African cool in the City of THE COOL, HARARE.

The funny thing is that these comments go on and on and on about the death of innocents at the hands of Bush and Blair in Iraq, but there is no mention at all, none! of all the innocents murdered at the hands of Al-Qaeda and Sunni v Shiite violence. Why is this? Are the US not risking their soldiers to try and prevent innocent people being killed in Muslim on Muslim violence. Why is there no mention of this? Imagine the violence and many thousands of deaths that would occur if the US pulled all its troops out of Iraq 2 years ago, it would have been a blood bath of epic proportions. I totally agree that the US shouldnt have gone into Iraq in the first place. But credit should be given that they have done the right thing by the people of Iraq, and trained their police, trained their military to ensure as smooth a transition as possible.

And its also funny that those committing attrocities in Zimbabwe use the deaths of others as an excuse. Its ok to kill 130 people in Zimbabwe in election related violence because more are being killed elsewhere. What sort of lame excuse is that. Bottom line is that 130 people died unnecessarily. Agree?

A nonsensical sermon from Mount Rhodie.

Pathetic.

Mano o mano

Hollowjaw, all you ever do is come on here and say that the content of anyone who says anything against Mugabe is nonsense. Yet you have no argument to back up your comments. Its easy to simply come on here and say that peoples comments are nonsense. It takes an intelligent man to come on here and use logic and sensible argument to rebut another persons comments. But you never do it. You just come here and waste peoples time. It really is quite sad, and extremely childish. Nonsense here, nonsense there. No one even cares what you say anymore because you never have anything constructive to say.

And you always go and make yourself look even more stupid by signing if with some childish piece about where you are from. It really is pathetic.

Just want to say the Mugabe supporters can deny all the stuff people say about zimbabwe, but one thing they can't deny is that people in zim are dying from hunger and cholera and inflation and unemployment percentages are ridicilously high.What do you have to say about that?and please talk sense

Jakes, you will never get any sense from these empty gourds. They are at the bottom of the confused or muddled totem pole and if chokora and jalohlaw are any indication of norm of the ruling party, I pity Zimbabwe.

Glaring nonsense, which need not be "denied," since that predicate or its negation, "admitted", cannot be applied to SUPER SIZED NONSENSE.

SCHOOL OF LINGUISTICS in the City of Erudition, HARARE.

It is sad to see Mugabe and his cronies have sunk to an all time low, I suppose he would know about whether a 2 year old child was dangerous , he used little kids to carry out his bidding during the war while he languished in Mocambique not to mention he has the mind of a 2 year old and pitches tantrums like one !

I want to thank Hollowjaw for all his moronic rantings , it just proves to the world what they always thought about us Afrikans , that we are stupid , unable to rationalise and generally are clowns. Hollowjaw you and AK 47 and a few others who run and hide because we know their kind , have proved everything foreigners say about us with not only your stupid words but your ridiculous actions ! Black comedy at its finest !

Incredible and fascinating nonsense induced by rhodie political impotence.

NOTA BENE: We condemn any and all xenophobic metaphorical applications of Racist US lexica, AS APPLIED TO OUR AFRICAN-AMERICAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, by unreconstructed 'white' racists in the trashy 'FILTH' factory, HOLLYWOOD, as zenith sized NONSENSE.

BRIGADE AGAINST WESTERN CULTURAL NIHILISM IN THE CITY OF CULTURAL ERUDITION, HARARE.

Hollowjaw, all you ever do is come on here and say that the content of anyone who says anything against Mugabe is nonsense. Yet you have no argument to back up your comments. Its easy to simply come on here and say that peoples comments are nonsense. It takes an intelligent man to come on here and use logic and sensible argument to rebut another persons comments. But you never do it. You just come here and waste peoples time. It really is quite sad, and extremely childish. Nonsense here, nonsense there. No one even cares what you say anymore because you never have anything constructive to say.

And you always go and make yourself look even more stupid by signing if with some childish piece about where you are from. It really is pathetic.

When rhodies post nonsense, any challenge to the determination THAT RHODIES ALWAYS POST NONSENSE is METANONSENSE.

THE REFLEXIVE BRIGADE IN THE CITY OF AFRICAN REFLECTION, HARARE.

All you do is critisise what people write and never provide any input. Once again you've done the same and proven me right. All very sad. And lets see you do it again...

Morgan should stick to his word, pull out of GPA and organize street protests

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Mugabe should be accountable to the suffering and pain experienced by these abductees. There are no two ways.

Loshto, I sadly must agree with you on this post and your other related post.Even a magistrate who has ordered a show of humanity is defied by these Hyenas who masquerade as upholders of the law.People of Zimbabwe and Africa as a whole see here now your true enemy.Dont be fooled by lies and the ghosts of the past,Mugga and his likes are sucking the lifeforce out of Africa .All this time whilst those that can help sit by and do nothing.All the while,the strength and courage of the good people of Zimbabwe who are beaten and oppressed still wont bow to this tyranny.You are an inspiration to a world where freedom,justice and compassionate humanism is taking second place to the greed and corruption of what should be responsible powers.Let us all join together and put the dictators out of business.

buddhamate, Dec 26 22:17:41 2008 .. " Loshto, I sadly must agree with you on this post and your other related post ..."

Buddhamate, If you always agree with Loshto, then you contribute no information and your blather here is at best superfluous and it unnecessarily clogs up the internet bandwidth.

We gladly release you from any obligation you may feel to present comments here ...

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I certainly do not approve of injustice and the absence of the rule of law anywhere wherever. But the security of the state is paramount and the foremost important thing to all citizens of any country ... including the USA, UK and our Great Zimbabwe. When America was faced serious threats from those the USA referred to as "terrorists", the American gvt rightly took measures to protect welfare of country and people ...thay sent their agents all over the earth and into space to eliminate and neutralise this threat...remember tha reeditins activities and the effective detention centre off Cuba. Who would not do that when faced with the tragedy of the ThreeTowers in NewYork. The uk made laws which allowed the authorities and security agents to arrest/detain, take you to special set up interrogation centers, eg Paddington Police, and hold you there at the pleasure of her Majesty .... indefinitely. Who would not understand that all these laws are in the best interests of ALL who love peace and the rule of law through out the British isles. Surely one would not deny the gvt of Zimbabwe the same tools, especially that it is operating in a war environment against the most powerful collection of people ever existed on the planet...namely the English-Speaking nations ....led by the USA, UK, Canada and Australia. Mukoko and like thinking silly Zimbabweans should know this. Unfortunately they have chosen to be in Zimbabwe. "Simbi ino rodza imwe simbi" so the badge of Chirodzo school in Mbare says. Why complain kana uchikweshera pano baya? Ndizvozvo mukoma Chakanyuka!!!

I suppose a ZANU like aka thinks that the 2 year old is the ring leader of the terrorists!

Truly you are one sick human being, aka to keep defending the indefensible.

Who can believe that Justine is training terrorists?

The standard ZANU tactic is to accuse victims of committing zanu crimes. Repeat the lie loudly and often and people start to believe it. At least the weak minded ones do.

Aardie,

The issue is not whether Jestina is capable of "training terrorists" or not, but about what role she can play in facilitating the training of terrorists. Clearly, the article shows that Jestina and her organisation - ZPP - have allowed themselves to be used as imperialist conduits in the regime change agenda. Through ZPP and Jestina, the CIA and MI5 were able to get money to those who were training bandits in Botswana.

We all know that the CIA, since 9/11, has gone after those who finance what they term 'terrorists' activities. In this regard they have not only frozen assets belonging to people linked to 'terrorists' but have also arrested and prosecuted the financiers and in some cases the CIA has killed people and bombed facilities linked to Al Qaeda. This only goes to show that where the security of the state is threatened, the authorities should use all means at their disposal to protect the state and its citizens.

Therefore, "the weak minded ones" are people like you who accept that America has a right to protect itself from 'terrorists' by carrying out extraordinary randitions, but do not want to accept that Zimbabwe has the same right when it is threatened and when evidence overwhelmingly links people like Jestina Mukoko to banditry training.

The CIA, trained, armed and financed Unita bandits in Angola. The CIA trained, armed and financed the Renamo bandits in Mozambique. The CIA recruited, trained, armed and financed the Contra bandits in Nicaragua. The CIA recruited, trained, armed and financed Al Qaeda to fight Russian soldiers in Afghanistan. I could go on and on, suffice to say that in all these cases the CIA channeled money to finance these operations through organisations such as the one head by Jestina Mukoko.

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Takunya, no comments about my post about the Maori? I take it you are now educated. Awesome. My work here is done.

Awt_independent,

Firstly, I wish to thank you for confirming what I said, that, short of genocide and ethnic cleansing there is no way an indigenous population could be less than 1% after only less than 200 years of living under colonialism, NEVER. I still maintain that the Maori were ethnically cleansed by the British and those who survived were disorientated to the extent of not knowing who they are. That is why you have the audacity to say that “the last pure blooded Maori person died in 1905”.

Any Maori survivors who identified with their culture or language were systematically slaughtered. By your own admission the evading British force massacred thousands if not millions of Maori people with their superior weapons before “suing for peace”.

On whose terms did the British “sue for peace”? Clearly it is not on the terms of the owners of the land but on their own terms. Because if it was on the terms of the Maori people, as you would like us to believe, then the British would have been driven out as there is no human being who EVER accepts subjugation and domination. Had the “Treaty of Waitangi” been on the terms of the Maori people, then they would not have agreed to the change of name from Aotearoa to New Zealand.

It is also quite clear from what you said that the chiefs who signed the “Treaty of Waitangi” did so to avoid further barbaric massacres of their people that were being carried out by the invading people and this has completely nothing to do with “defeating the British” as you would like us to believe.

You may be interested to know the similarities between us and the Maori. Our peoples were both massacred by the British; they were subjugated, oppressed and enslaved for years. The difference being that Mbuya Nehanda, Lubengula and Sekuru Kaguvi did not surrender to the mighty British army. They were capture in action (fighting) and hanged by the enemy. The enemy was never accepted as part of us and his attempt at changing our country's name was a futile exercise.

We who followed our ancestors’ footsteps took up arms and defeated the enemy on the battle field and the enemy went to the negotiating table on our terms and not on his terms. In 1979, freedom fighters were in control of two thirds of the country and were rapidly advancing to the capital. There was no colonial administration in the liberated zones and no enemy helicopter or truck could venture into those areas. This should tell you that we are proud of what we achieved before we agreed to attend the Lancaster House Talks of 1979.

The fact that there has never been a Maori President or Prime Minister in Aotearoa is proof enough that the indeginous people were made a minority from the time of invasion through genocide, massacre and ethnic cleansing. Thus, the only reasonable conclusion one can make, which made the invading British Army stop massacring the remaining (captured and surrendering) Maori people was that they needed slave labour to work in the stolen gold mines, factories and fields, and as domestic servants.

They envisaged that killing all the Maori people will result in them having to look for slaves from Africa or elsewhere to work for them. The war only stopped when the invaders could see and were sure that they had completely decimated the Maori population.

What you said about the Maori managing “to defeat the might of the British Army” is, therefore, pure hogwash that can only be said by someone whose people were NEVER victims of British massacre, subjugation and slavery. You have therefore proved beyond any reasonable doubt that you are not a Maori but a descended of those who massacred and ethnically cleansed the Maori people to the extent of making them an insignificant minority in their own mother land.

takunya, what a shame it is that after all that fighting you are your own worst enemy. You have created your own mess, destroyed your own country, starved your own people, killed your own people, chased away your own people and can't even work your own land. You complain about others?

Takunya, there was no ethnic cleansing in NZ period. If you have proof to the contrary, please present it, but as it never happened, this proof will not exist.

Indigenous population is not under 1% as you state, but closer to 10%. As I said, mainly due to immigration. When europeans arrived there were close to 100,000 maoris in NZ, 170,000 europeans arrived in the 1850's and 1860's alone.

You can "still maintain that the Maori were ethnically cleansed by the British" as much as like, but bottom line is that you couldnt be further from the truth.

And I have the "audacity to say that “the last pure blooded Maori person died in 1905” because the Maoris and Pakeha got on well, and interbred. All Maoris in New Zealand have European ancestory also. As with the coloureds in South Africa. Not a bad thing at all.

"Any Maori survivors who identified with their culture or language were systematically slaughtered." More nonsense. Why do you make these lies up?

As for "By your own admission the evading British force massacred thousands if not millions of Maori people with their superior weapons before “suing for peace”." This is simply not the case. Firstly there werent millions of Maoris around, and secondly it was the other way around, the Maori's slaughtered the English. As I said, shame your people werent as smart, courageous and brave to do the same. We beat the English. You lost. Badly. It must suck having ancestors who lost.

You really have quite a deluded, clearly made up view of New Zealand history. You didnt even know how to spell Maori when we first started. There are no similarities between you and the Maori. The Maori won. You're ancestors got captured and hung. The Maoris kept ownership of thier land and determined their own future. You did not.

Your logic is so flawed its rediculous. Just because their has never been a Maori PM does not therefore mean that there was a genocide of Maori. You really are clapsing at straws.

Maoris never worked as slaves in gold mines or as domestic servants. Why do you continue to make this rubbish up?

My people are proud people. We were never slaves. We beat the British, and we dont need people like you putting us down like this. We are way better than that.

Why can one not make opposing inputs into any debate/dicussion on Zimbabwe affairs, past and current, without being categorised and put into cells? You become emotional, abusive and unreasonable when one diagrees with you on any points .... is this a taste of idea of Great Zimbabwe? Please come again and discuss the points are raised and allow me to learn from your young mind. I am sure you capable of crossing the line and be constructive. I accept that you do not support RMG. But I do!!! No need for vulgarities.

akapfunde - yes you are correct to say that each country has the right to protect its security but at all times there should be the rule of law. The security laws enacted by the western powers are just that; laws passed by their parliaments or legislative assemblies. The parliament of Zimbabwe (fortunately) has not enacted similar laws and until it does the actions of the ZRP are a gross violation of the constitution of Zimbabwe and represent a judicial coup d'etat. The case for the ICC has become stronger.

Paddington green - hold you indefinitly??? Have you any idea what you are writing? Is this the level of misinformation and lies you dish out in order to justify the unjustifiable?

Amen Judge: Africa needs brave and courageous people like you: Judges who will uphold the constitution and their vows. You've won my respect. Now, I know there are brave souls in Zimbabwe.

May the almighty God guide you, and lead you to stand up to the bullies in Zimbabwe. You've given us hope. God bless you. History will be kind to you. It took a tiny Lady called Rosa Park to set the ball rolling regarding a serious look at institutional racism in United States. I hope your colleges would take a cue from your courageous pronouncement and follow suit.

Mugabe is finised. He's falling apart fast. He'll soon face the people of Zimbabwe to answer charges against him for his cimes against humanity. I hope you'll be the chosen Judge to try this brutal dictator who has taken 12,000 people hostage at gun point with the help of SADC and shameful South Africa. Shame on you South Africa; you've sold your soul to the devil. The whole world came to your aid in a time of need. Mugabe is worse than Ian Smith, but South Africa and SADC have cosen to throw their weight behind Mugabe. You've chosen a brutal dictator over 12,000 million people in need of help.

Only the denizens of Braxton would concoct a ghostly construct called "enforced disappearance."

Of course, we are dealing with human rights lawyers who see flickering rights where there is no candle.

That certain individuals were legitimately arrrested is indubitable; that they "disappeared" in modus "enforced" is necessarily false.

But then again, we are dealing with "law firm history." And, only a neophyte would consult a lawyer's historiography forIRELATIVELY INTERSUBJECTIVELY VALID RES GESTA.

Cheers from the City of LAW and ORDER, HARARE.

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Robert Mugabe and all his state apparatus have no legality to arrest, detain, charge, prosecute or punish anybody! They lost the March elections and were offered to join a unity government and have since been prevaricating about a structure of the unity government in an attempt to steal people’s choice. This has cost them any future possibility of an amnesty for the crimes they have committed since independace in 1980. Some of us have criminal cases dating even to the time before independence which we would like the ZANU-PF to answer for. The people of Zimbabwe must know that even God cannot do the rest of the remaing job to get rid of this perpetual pest. If there are in fact people who are trying to remove Mugabe and his henchmen now, these are the most enlightened freedom fighters at this time and every peace-loving citizen of Zimbabwe should do everything possible to support these people and secure their release before they are killed. If we don’t rise up and fight for those already in detantion and join the struggle we will lose a great opprtunity to gain our own freedom. By detaining even children, it shows that Mugabe and his cronies are desparate and weak. Let us do somnething NOW and get rid of this pest!

Some of our biased and superficial comments are unfortunate indeed. WAR IS WRONG, THERE IS NO WINNER IN ANY WAR. Zimbabweans have proved that they can dialogue right from the grassroots. We are, in general, a peace loving people. What is happening to our MDC brothers and sisters under the ferrous hands of police, CIO and army is very regrettable and our focus MUST be to avoid such animosity.

HOW?

1. The world (specifically the west) must speak peace unto ALL nations. Zimbabwe has been under an economic and financial war against the west for more than ten yrs and now we are deep under military invasion from all Europe and the US. Victims of this stupid interference and war are our people who are enticed to promote this barbaric Anglo-Saxon project, there are innocent victims too that include me and you at home.

2. Our opposition politics we have to depend on should desist from aligning with the war monger devils from the west. Tsvangirai went to Europe without the blessing of the region at this delicate time of our national negotiations and regional invasions in the DRC. Europe responded with waging a war they want to legitimize through the UN. It is naïve and dim-witted to exonerate our opposition leader from influencing such powerful western evil armies from attacking our region for their ulterior motives. We don’t feed on politicking lip service but the reality on the ground show MDC waging civil despondencies with the malice intention to cripple national infrastructure with a hope of having political mileage.

3. The ugly, illegal, anti-african Botswana strategy is being exposed with a vengeance and the western funded civil body is up in hue and cry for the rule of law. What hogwash? It is overt knowledge that after the declaration of war by Europe and America foolishly disguised in cholera outbreaks, the Project to eliminate strategic elements within the rank and files of the national Army and other infrastructural and financial edifices are now under attack, this includes high ranking assassinations. We are aware of the similarly PHEONIX PROJECT that preceded the Vietnam War and the WAR OF DECEPTION that preceded the Iraq war. The Zimbabwean security apparatus is then supposed to fold hands and pat on the back of perpetrators. PLAIN trash!

4. We are the victims so we must not promote stubbornness among ourselves, the MoU should have shown results on what was then agreed but up till this day some negotiators are saying the suffering of the people is at their advantage before they come to gvt. It is this educated nation that understands that Mugabe is problem to a new dispensation but not supporting the rejuvenation of revolutionary parties and again it is this witted nation that understands that Tsvangirai is the stumbling bloc to a new dispensation by agreeing to western illegal machinations with erstwhile motives to annihilate the region as they did for 500 yrs now. We are experienced in humanity that inversion of nations, communities, settlements are met by a blood socked spear of liberation – whatever this might mean. It is thus we must desist from promoting the drawing of such swords of misery.

5. My heart goes for the immediate victims of militarism from both ZANU and western buttressed MDC, but for those who promote misery of our people through such machinations, shame on you and let the devil have you suffer a thousand times on earth before you eternally dwell in hell.

PEACE, ONE SOUL

And SADC still thinks it can negotiate with mugabe! How many Zimbabweans will have to die before SADC loses its fear of mugabe? I would suggest most of the population. As I have said before, "SADC, no guts , no glory". I see no courage in most African politicians, including the current SA President or Zuma. Did anyone note that mugabe backwards spells a typical British exclamation of surprise? Ebagum!!! Why does Africa put up with a murdering tyrant?

Have your say about Cdr. Mugabe, Zuma and others, but please spare us any and all references to the linguistic cultural heritage of British Imperialism and its CURRENT heirs.

Cheers from the Circle of African Intellectual Independence in the City of Erudition and Know Your Literary Sources, HARARE.

kbagyenim, Dec 27 00:54:33 2008 " .. brave and courageous people like you: Judges who will uphold the constitution .."

According to that constitution, Cde Mugabe scored an overwhelming majority of the votes in the run-off election on June 27, 2008 and was sworn in as President of Zimbabwe. It seems as if these lawyer clowns disagree - perhaps because their foreign masters and financiers told them to. Have they ever read the constitution of Zimbabwe? What constitution are they upholding?

They ARE clowns - parading around with white wigs (probably made form hairs of long-dead beggars in the sewers of Newcastle) on their native heads while trying hard to look clever with their hilarious English as a second language - even as treacherous jokers like Annan lobotomize the precious document of the people of Zimbabwe!

An imposition of economic sanctions on a country is often viewed as a hostile act that is tantamount to a declaration of war. By imposing economic sanctions on Zimbabwe, USA and the EU countries essentially declared war on Zimbabwe. The country has been devastated as a result of that act - and many Zimbabweans have died.

Hence, do these lawyers consider the imposition of the economic sanctions on Zimbabwe - an act that has unleashed suffering and death on multitudes of people - as a human rights issues? Have they called for an immediate lifting of cursed sanctions imposed on the people by their white masters?

If Cde Mugabe is the evil agent that would lead Zimbabwe unto distruction like the British did, then Zimbabwe would go to the dogs without the sanctions, right?

Are the economic sanctions on the people of Zimbabwe meant to be good for the people and lead them to prosperity? If so, then the sanctions have completely failed and as a matter of extreme humanitarian urgency, they MUST be withdraw immediately, right?

NO, Of course, the welfare of the natives of Zimbabwe (and elsewhere) in not of primary concern and it has never been to the foreign imperialist plunderers who enlist the Annans, Tutus and Odingas for their purposes.

Tsvangrai and his band of local and foreign clowns are not afraid of Zimbabwe waxing prosperous under Cde Mugabe, are they? If at all the Almighty Mwari smiles upon Tsvangrai at a later time, wouldn't he prefer to assume leadership of a prosperous Zimbabwe? [Maybe not - his interest may be simple and primarily personal - to stroke an overgrown ego and the joy of being called "el presidente" - and the country may as well revert to the British slave traders.]

Should someone remind these barely-learned lawyers of Zimbabwe that first and foremost, they are (presumably) citizens of Zimbabwe, and that in times, for the duration, of hostilities with its enemies, they are to suspend their shrill criticisms of their government which may be seen to give succor and comfort to the enemy?

Unless, of course, the purposeful lawyers wish - for reasons best known to their foreign financiers and enemies of sovereign Zimbabwe - to be charged with crimes of sedition or treason.

The people may as well want to know to what extent these lawyers who seem to hate Zimbabwe so much, have been palling around with enemies of the people and to what extent the national security of Zimbabwe has been compromised through their associations ...

. There are new charges of human rights violations in USA each year as detailed in online reports from the various human rights groups. Moreover, he current hostilities in Iraq and Afghanistan have exposed a whole slew of heinous crimes against humanity committed by USA and UK which - as noted in Europe - could be brought up in a Nuremberg-type trial. Do these naive "lawyers" in Zimbabwe ever wonder why the lawyers in USA and UK are not camped out and up in arms, harassing their governments and security forces with cries of "human rights" violations - and prodding hostile foreigners to invade their dear home countries?

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And by the way, those accused of heinous crimes of sedition or treason in times of declared hostilities belong to the military system - not in the civilian justice system which these cursed "lawyers" infest. So, hopefully these traitors, agitators and suspected terrorists now in custody will be transferred immediately to military detention centers for interrogation/torture/rehabilitation/deprogramming.

That (and perhaps more) is what would happen in times or war to such ingratiates in a good democracy like the USA ..

And Zimbabwe is a good democracy.

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[A familiarity with the feral wiles, vicious schemes and blood lust of the historical foreign detractors and eternal victimizers the people of Zimbabwe leads us to be cautious: Who really are these native-hating "Zimbabwe Lawyers for Human Rights (Harare)"? ]

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kbagyenim, " ..May the almighty God guide you, ..."

'God'? What does the foreign deity have to do with it? Why don't you beseech the Almighty Mwari? Or Unkulunkulu, the Creator? Or Obatala, the Supreme? Or Unumbotte, the Omniscient? Should you be talking of some foreign "gods" on this site? On the other hand, Tsvangrai, his followers and these lawyers are probably followers of Nyaminyami ..

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Arrest, it is arrest not abducting, not kidnapping. The police arrested Mukoko and, sometimes, for in the interests of State security, the police and state security agents , do not have to divulge why, where what, and how. Thats the way its done even in the USA and UK. You make a lot of noise for the sake of noise.

Arrest is like arresting Cholera. I see.

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just wondering if you understood the meaning of the word. Unlike Mugabe.

"According to that constitution, Cde Mugabe scored an overwhelming majority of the votes in the run-off election on June 27, 2008 and was sworn in as President of Zimbabwe."

I have lost track of all the ways in which the constitution fo Zimbabwe was violated during the elections.

First of all, the results of the March election were withheld far beyond the constitutional reporting period. Second of all, the results were never reported. You cannot just give a final number. You to properly report the results from every polling station. This obligation to report was ignored because the final number would not correspond to the photos of all the polling results posted. How about the illegal irregularities regarding security of the ballot boxes after the voting. No recount can be considered valid after apparent evidence of tampering on the boxes during the recount. Evident tampering plus boxes stolen from their proper custodians equals electoral fraud. Unsurprisingly, no charges have been laid.

How about all of the unwarranted attacks and arrests without evidence of election monitors before the June runoff? How about all of the mass kidnappings, false arrests, torture, rape and murder of innocent civilians suspected of not voting for ZANU-PF?

How about the banning of food aid in a starving country on the unsubstantiated charges of political interference by NGO's. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. ZANU-PF has put lot of effort into making sure only their supporters get any food.

It seems that the current ZANU-PF strategy is to kill off enough surplus (non-ZANU)population that the next vote will swing their way.

Patriotism is about supporting your country and not a particular political party. Political parties that paint non-supporters as traitors are themselves traitors to their country. Sovereignty is about the will of ALL the people.

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The West, I think you are critisizing Aardie unfairly. He was firstly praising the judges for making the right decision and upholding the constitution to release these illegally detained people. Then some idiot posted that the results of the run off election were constitutional, and he pointed out the constitutional flaws with that election. So all relevant to the thread.

Junior:

Maybe you did not monitor the elections in USA in 2000, 2004 or 2008. There are lots of accusations and charges, challenges and lawsuits etc before, during and even after the elections. There are also reports of abuse, threats and even assaults resulting in grave bodily harm.

And some election results are not out yet - since Nov 4! [The most curious contest being that for the senate seat in the state of Minnesota .. The count and challenges and 'recount with hitherto missing ballots' and more challenges and 'recount with incorrectly rejected ballots' and .. HA! You didn't know that such happens in perfect USA, did you?]

Do Americans wish that they had a band of senile "elders" and unpatriotic, acquisitive immigrants from Africa pompously parading around - and warning them, with threats, that the USA elections are bogus if favorite foreign-sponsored lackeys lose ? HELL NO!

And we do not have 80% of our most productive lands owned by a few foreigners(British) who plant bamboo(tobacco) for their foreign lands while we starve.

. [And by the way Zimbabwe, those British and their treacherous settlers were in USA about 2 centuries ago doing the same evil. They were kicked out for good. You must be firm and resolute. And vigilant too - 'cause the land-challenged hordes of nasty Brit will try again and again. Godspeed, ZIM.]

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and heres the link... http://allafrica.com/comments/list/aans/post/post/id/200812300845.html

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Those people who blame the west for sanctions against Zimbabwe fail to appreciate that only a fool would want to invest in a country that has no respect for property rights, the rule of law or human rights. Why would anyone want to invest in a country whose stated policy is to nationalize foreign owned companies ? It is not the sanctions aimed at Mugabe and his cronies that prevent investment. It is the actions of the regime itself. Would you want to invest your own money in a country like Zimbabwe ?

Once upon a time, mercenary armies had to at least risk their own lives invading other countries to loot and pillage them. Now all they have to do is pick one of their own 2-year-old children and beat them until the west gives them all the danegeld they want.

Is it more civilized this way? Or just more lazy and cowardly, on everyone's part?

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Could we stop resonding to or about jallolaw and cocentrate on exchanging meaningful intelligent posts. Empty vessels make the most noise and arguing with them has no help.I presume that like me a large number of posters are Zimbabwean and we know the reality of the nation's state. Why waste time arguing if the colour of the wall is black or white with a blind man. Still I look forward to reading his rants as they at least provide me with laugh in these grim times. ........................................ Tears will not wash away our problems Nor will prayers deliver us As the battle gets hotter Know that the victory will be sweeter Yes some will have to fall As some have fallen before But they are many more Ready to sacrifice for freedom. .......................................... There are millions of Jestina's out there. They cant kill all of us. Freedom is must. Death to all Black and White oppressors

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Rhodie trying to be hip. HAS IT SNOWED IN HELL YET?

First, learn how to dance; I hear rhodies can't dance. Very well, put a dip in your hip, and shake it like Yondo Sista.

Nevertheless, more rubbish from a tail of Osama BINT MT---RHODIES' MAN IN 'HARARE.'

KWASKWASA DANCE TROUPE FOR RHODIE WALZ INSTRUCTIONS in the City of Musical Tolerance, HARARE.

All you do is critisise what people write and never provide any input. Once again you've done the same and proven me right. All very sad. And lets see you do it again...

This article demonstrates the uselessness of SADC and SA politicians. They are fully aware of these points because ZANU has already sent them DVDs outlining torture of abductees in relation to the overthrow plot by MDC. And SADC and SA politicians still push the GNU!!! What does it take for them to understand ZANU/MDC negotiations are dead in the water becasue of this unbelievable abuse of the rule of law by Zimbabwe "authorities". It is not a matter of SADC and SA Politicians of waking up to these incredible abuses, but will they??

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Murderer Mugabe bought the allegiance of judges by handing out to them expensive cars, digital TV sets, etc. What else these bootlickers can do other than allow Mugabe's illegitimate regime to continue to suck Zimbos' blood?

No decent lawyer would pen a report suffocating in contradictory averments, unclarified idealizations, and valley deep equivocations.

Of course, the Human Rights Group does not a cabal of lawyers constitute; accordingly, we shall lower the bar for them in coherent and verifiable discourse.

The Writing Project in the City of Erudition, Harare.

Jallohlaw is acting as the hollowjaw churning out evil things against all those who condemn Mugabe's criminal actions!

Let Hollowjaw preach to the devils and his AlQaeda gang praising the bloodsucker Mugabe!

The way I see things there is a lot of two-facedness on the african leaders part e.g. south Africa in particular and others who support a COLD BLOODED MURDERER

Even the dumbest moron can understand why the Home Affairs Portifolio should never never be shared.

This shows a high level of lawlessness which all Zimbabweans and the international community should take note of. It is such acts that make Zanu PF not an appropriate party to run a country. These are exactly issues that make the country a pariah state. These are the same issues that provide the ground for travel bans on people who promote such evil acts, for people with such primitive minds should not be allowed to find solace in countries where the rule of law and human rights are respected.

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There is no doubt that the lexeme "abductee" is not be found in the index to the Criminal Code of Zimbabwe.

Accordingly, the use of the term by so-called human rights lawyers is not merely a case of ignorance, although there is some of that, but predominantly an extrajudicial grab at rewriting the legal code, which is, of course, beyond the scope of any and all lawyers, human rightist or nay, because the significative constitution of the legal code and its interpretation and application are vested exclusively within the jurisdictions of the legislature and Supreme Court.

A clear case of lawyerly linguistic obscurantism is hard to top.

Shakespearean Watchers of Lawyers in the City of Lawyers under the Law, HARARE.

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For example, are the terrorists in Gitmo "abductees"? You may argue whether or not they are terrorists, but you cannot call them "abductees."

That said, the question is what motivated the Zimbabwean lawyers to posit a TRANSPARENT anarchronism.

Go figure.

Shakespearean Guards of Lawyerly Games in the City of Black law Braxtonism, HARARE.

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Look hollowjaw, I tried to figure out your problem. Sorry your mum didn't love you and understandable that you now you try to compensate the attention you missed all over the years. Must have been a shock for you to find out you have a muzungufather. Well don't worry, muzungus will take care soon of all your problems and baby you and your mates. I am sorry you and your mates gave evidence you can't stand on your own. Soon you will get a double hamburger with double french fries. In the meantime don't spoil ketchup on your shirt. Be a good boy from now on. And don't waste time from adults any longer from now on. You will receive special treatment very soon. Bye boy.

Geez, these sites look like a war- torn zone with so many of our posts deleted. Makes it difficult to follow responses. " Hollowjaw" is a misguided, immature and confused individual. I think he has really convinced himself that he is smart and is oblivious of what a jackass he is making of himself. Needs some good knocks and a whole lot of growing up to do.

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