SW Radio Africa (London)
8 January 2008
With an increasingly laughable judicial system conniving to illegally detain abducted activists, defence lawyers and rights groups are using name and shame tactics to apply pressure for their release. This week lawyer Alec Muchadehama, who is representing 7 MDC activists charged with plotting to overthrow Mugabe's regime, named several state agents who abducted his clients. Identified mostly by ...
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Grandiose lawyerly grandstanding, that is all this is about; ain't got nothing to do with the enthusiastic, flowery characterizations of MDC machine of lies: SW Spin Radio for Europe.
When did lawyer bravado become the law? Judges pronounce the law, not lawyers.
Defendants are arrested, not abducted, Mr. Blackstone.
Committee on the Integrity of Legal Language in the City of Erudition, Harare.
When the time comes Jabba, ya better lawyer girl,and ya better get a good one.But that would be like looking for a brain cell in a Zanu political rally.
When the time comes Jabba, ya better lawyer girl,and ya better get a good one.But that would be like looking for a brain cell in a Zanu political rally.
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There we go again... making up words... "Soupist" aaaah doesn't exist!
Obviously ukaita chimbwasungata chema British & Americans you will get what you deserve, my dear this is Zimbabwe and not your imagined piece of land.If you are a conspirator of those guys; tough luck, we will not go back ...... to before 1980.....to before 2000....2005.... will always move foward and positively...
Icho, I dont think anyone wants to see Zimbabwe go back to before 1980 or even 2000, or 2005. Land ownership in Zimbabwe should belong to Zimbabweans, and nobody has a problem with that. Anyone that tells you otherwise is fearmongering and you should question their motives.
And heres an idea. How about you move forward and start to get rid of the corruption in your government. 14th most corrupt government in the world, and the reason why no one wants to invest and donate, as people know that their investments will only end up in the back pockets of corrupt officials. Look at the $7.3 million that went missing from the Global fund for example.
Or is being positive removing the human rights of innocent until proven guilty people? Is it creating a campaign of mass intimidation, fear in violence so that a losing former President can keep his post against the will of the people. Is that positive?
I ask you this, is having Mugabe there a good thing for the people of Zimbabwe, given his now destroyed reputation worldwide? Do you think other countries would help Zimbabwe more (because you cant deny it needs help) if Mugabe wasnt in power?
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as usual, nothing constructive in hollowjaw's post. If you think my post is nonsense, then explain why? Or do you lack the intellect to back your comments up with a well structured argument? I suspect so.
As usual, the same broken record of wat rhodie claptrap, hocus pocus in the dickens..
Nonetheless, nonsense---up, down, and all around.
And nonsense, encore.
Mano o mano.
You look like some one l can have a long discourse with and, perhaps, pick one or so new practical ideas but first could you enlighten my old memory by naming one or so countries in Africa that have received this so called 'help' since 1960??? Be careful!!!The so called friends always have exploitative hidden agendas or worse, they do not care what follows. Your heplers replaced Lumumba with SeseSeko Mabutu and the Kongo has never known peace since then. And remember how they left no stone unturned in their efforts to remove the President of Somalia, Siad Barre, and now where are the poor victims, the Somalis,of the western advice and aid to the then Somali opposition ....?? Now Somalia is now a non state ..and worse is to come. Despite our mess in Zimbabwe, we still have pro-active young men of high calibre like your good self to take us out of the quagmire. President Mugabe is one of us. We cannot let outsiders decide who is to lead our country ... especially those who seem to be proud to be called "colonial powers" as though the enslaving and unashamed abuse of a land and its contents, above and below ground, is something to be proud of. Just be careful!! Try to remember why the Boers went to war against the English in South Africa .... it was all about being able to control one's destiny even if one ends up in a mess, like our mess in Zimbabwe. We are at war.... a serious economic war. Just remember!!! Victory is a very painful experience ..sorry.
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More 'soupist'! When will hollowjaw realise its not a word!
Just wondering what your understanding of moving forward is?? In my opinion it does not encompass cholera, food shortages, worthless currency not even worth mentioning, corrupt police force, corrupt army, corrupt ministers starting with the head honcho himself, murdering of political opponents, stifling debate....I could go on and on but I am sure you more or less get the gist. So stop dwelling in the past pretending there is a rhodie monster under the bed or in the cupboard....the only monster in zimbabwe is mugabe and his murderous cio!!!!!
" .. Lawyers Expose Names of Abductors in Court .. "
"defence lawyers and rights groups are using name and shame tactics"
Mmh!
The officers concerned were going about their official duties. They acted on behalf of the state and the people of Zimbabwe - in an official capacity.
This amounts to intimidation of the officers of the state in commission of their official duties.
Isn't there a law against this kind of behavior? Perhaps interference with officers of the law or something? If there isn't then - now that we know that we need it - how quickly can the state move put it in place and protect the people against these intimidating tactics?
[How would the democracy of the USA go about it? Hint: It can get draconian ..]
Are there ethical standards that lawyers in Zimbabwe are expected to observe? And if they are behaving improperly, what can the state do about deregestering them?
[After all, the people of Zimbabwe do not expect praise from these foreign saboteurs and their local lackeys ... Can the state of Zimbabwe find out who funds these saboteurs and their naive 'lawyers' and whether any funds are channeled to them from those that have declared war on Zimbabwe by the imposition of economic sanctions .. And if so bring up more serious charges against them ...]
Actually Choker:
In the U.S., the "investigating" officers need to write a report that is included in the request for a warrant - which is approved by a judge - BEFORE an arrest takes place. So the names/identities of the State Agents are actually a part of the record BEFORE an arrest takes place.
Moreover, if someone is found to be tortured (or even insulted) while in custody, the charges are dismissed and the legal entities who allowed it to happen are financially liable under Federal Civil Rights law for penalties.
You mistakenly refer to the Guantanamo camp in your comparisons to the U.S. system of justice.
Since Guantanamo is not actually sovreign U.S. territory, those held there do not come under the jurisdiction of Federal law. You will also note that there are NO U.S. citizens in custody at Guantanamo Bay, nor have there been any U.S. citizens in custody at Guantanamo Bay.
Those U.S. citizens who were captured as "enemy combatants" were returned to the U.S. and stood trial in front of a Federal Court.
Your sarcastic reference to the U.S. system is not based in FACT like most of your posts (and those of Tak, AK-47 and J-hollow).
Perhaps it would be easier if Zimbabwe had a Robbins Island of their own, so they could imprison their enemies like the Afrikaaners did in SA?
ZANU-PF/Mugabe are nothing more than a black version of the Afrikaaners!
"Total Empowerment!" is the same empty slogan as "Apartheid Forever!"
Seditious saboteurs - who should be held incommunicado for years - say publicly that they were abducted by the state!
So, those seditious saboteurs in cozy detention in Zimbabwe are complaining about being detained. And they imagine that they have been tortured. Really!
They should be reminded that Zimbabwe is a democracy. And that democracies have a way of dealing with those who present a danger to their national security.
They should be cautioned that they have experienced nothing yet. They should expect more - from the citizens of the democracy of the glorious people of maZimbabwe.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1071284,00.html
"Zimbabwe is a democracy." HA! HA! HA! HA! You bloody fools would not know democracy even if it hit you in the face.
Zimbabweans should take note of the bandits who cause pain and suffering to Zimbabweans in the name of protecting the country from pseudo conspiracies. Nyaya hadzirove vana kazi. Forget that Zimbabweans will never accept you, this is a clear example of excesses; those people you make suffer are as good as yourselves your brothers, sisters, fathers or mothers. Don’t think of yourselves only those people have the right to exist vanhu vakaberekwa semi. What sort of culture does Zanu PF want to leave behind? Does Zanu want to leave a culture of lying, abusing and cruelty? Hamunyare makaita seyiko?