Where is the see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil and smell no evil SADC and is's chief partner the disapointed no good South Africa? What are they saying about the kidnapping and turturing of Zimbabweans?

I regret the role we all played regarding the emancipation of South Africa. Now look at the position South Africa has taken. South Africa has has a chance to reciprocate the goodwill rope thrown to them by the world by helping to to end the agony of Zimbabweans. It has chosen to side with the devil.

The will of the people will prevail at all cost with or without the help of the ungrateful South Africa and the incompetent SADC.

I don't see how anyone could have expected any better, from people like Nelson Mandela who invented traditions like "necklacing."

The truth always comes out in the end, and everyone who was too stupid to recognize it pays the price, with interest compounded with every lie told.

Don't look to the west for charity, when the fall comes. We'll be dead and gone.

This whole thing is an embarrassment to every true ex-freedom fighters and to the spirits of all the genuine fallen heroes. I am really amazed that we as a people who sacrificed so much to attain our independence could stoop so low as to punish innocent Zimbabweans. What has happened to our ideals of freedom? My hair has turned gray I am now 63 years old and it hurts me seeing Zimbabweans suffering like what is happening. Why did we go to war then if our children can not exercise their political rights and participate in the affairs of the country? Is this not an attempt to render our sweat and tears during the war useless? Zvandidhuva ini chirimhazu.

Chirumhazu makuma Indeed we are now a laughing stalk in the world. We now leaving legacy of having failed to feed, educate or even provide decent life for our children because of misplaced priorities. Tonyarirepi manje? How can we then reclaim our dignity if we continue with such stupid and often evil activities? Stupidity crunch indeed.

Bhodlumlilo gt;

Only sellouts are now a "laughing stalk in the world" after failing to deliver Zimbabwe to imperialists on a sliver platter. All that you had promised to do when the Westminster Foundation channelled money through AMANI TRUST to create and financed the most hated monister in Zimbabwe - MDC and its sellout leader, Tsvangirai.

For sure "muchashaya kokunyarira gore rino". Go ahead muchikumburana like people who have just lost a close relative to CIA created syphilis but when you finish remember that ZIMBABWE WILL NEVER BE A COLONY AGAIN!!!

Tukunya ndebvu remember that lies will always fail you, what is your definition of sellout? Why it is everyone who opposes Mugabe is branded a sellout? You obviousely do not have a definition for an opposition member? According to Zanu PF – Joshua Nkomo, Ndabaningi Sithole, Edgar Tekere now Morgan are sellouts. Do you honestly think Zimbabweans are as stupid to buy such crap definitions? Zanu PF supporters do not believe that anyone else can run this country or lead Zanu PF besides Mugabe. Any person who attempts would be branded a sellout and branded other fictitious claims about the West. When we say tichanyarirepi I mean as an ex-freedom fighter myself and others our contribution is being diminished by current events where the gains of our independence are now being into question. If you are a true liberator such acts occurring in this country do not put any value in our hard won independence where we fought for the right to self determination.

Bhodlumlilo gt;

Anyone who goes behind the back of other comrades and connives with the enemy to destroy the revolution is a SELLOUT. Anyone who supports the bombing of the people of Zimbabwe is a SELLOUT. Anyone who supports the training of militias to start a war in our motherland instead of seating down with those he does not agree with is a SELLOUT. Anyone who opposes land reclamation, and believes that whites have unfetted rights to cling to the land they got through conquest is a SELLOUT.

At no time was Nkomo called a SELLOUT - he was only told not to hold secret metings with Ian Smith behind the back of other freedom fighters as that would constitute SELLING OUT. No wonder why, after independence in 1982, Nkomo refused the offer by Boers to fund, arm and train "Super Zapu" elements. He was therefore never called a SELLOUT.

Nyathi started off as a promising freedom fighter but he SOLD OUT when he connived with the enemy to kill freedom fighters at Nyadzonya. Ndabaningi Sithole SOLD OUT when he created CHIMWENJE and teamed up with Smith to fight those who were fighting for freedom.

Morgan Tsvangirai is currently SELLING OUT by conniving with imperialists to make Zimbabweans suffer under sanctions. He called and campaigned for these sanctions all over Europe and America and now they are biting us - that is SELLING OUT. Tsvangirai connived with the CIA and MI5 to create a rebel force (along the lines of Unita and Renamo) that is being or was being trained in Botswana - SELLING OUT.

He has refused to go along with the deal he signed on 15 Sept 2008 because Jendayi Fraser and McGee told him so - SELLING OUT. He has failed to respect SADC leaders and went further to call them "cowards" as per the instructions from the American and British regimes - SELLING OUT.

You are also part of this SELLING OUT click that is trying to destroy Zimbabwe and reverse all the gains of the struggle and yet you call yourself a freedom fighter. How can you call yourself a freedom fighter who went to war with his heart and mind to the liberation struggle when you do not know why you went to war in the first place? Which war did you fight when you can not see that imperialists, whom we fought just yesterday, have never forgiven us for taking back what rightly belongs to us - OUR LAND? What kind of a freedom fighter are you, who, after spending years in the bush uchirumwa nenda, uchirumwa ne humhutu, uchinaiwa nemvura, uchitonhorwa nechando, uchifa nenzara, thinks that the war ended in 1980 when we got political independence?

What kind of a freedom fighter are you who does not know that we have only entered a new phase of the struggle to totally liberate ourselves from the york of imperialism and colonialism? You are a SELLOUT if you do not know or does not see that Zimbabwe is under attack from the Wester who want to destroy all that President Mugabe has achieved for Zimbabwe and Zimbabweans since 1980. You are a SELLOUT if you do not want to acknowledge that cholera and anthrax were created at a research station in Matopo to kill freedom fighters during the war.

You are not different from Muzorewa, Sithole and Nyathi if you advocate for the bombing of Zimbabwe to oust President Mugabe simply because he has prevented imperialists from looting our natural resources - Chiadzwa Diamond. If, therefore, you want to define a SELLOUT, just look yourself in the mirror and you will see one.

If Barak Obama was to advocated for the bombing of Israel for massacring Palestinians, he will be called a SELLOUT. If he was to denounce the Vietnam war, he will be labelled a SELLOUT. If he was to criticise the use of the atomic bomb against Hiroshima and Nagasaki, he will be labelled a SELLOUT.

This, therefore, means that an opposition party or individual has to be patriotic to national issues in its or her/his opposition so that s/he does not fight against national interests which are permanent as opposed to personal interests which are temporary.

The "war on imperialism" is entering a "new phase" where the brave freedom fighters are required to contract cholera, because this hurts the west... somehow. Followed soon by the next phase, in which the freedom fighters are required to dig their own graves, then stay in them until they starve to death in the name of Robert Mugabe.

That'll teach those western imperialists!

PLEASE IGNORE ANY POSTS FROM TAKUNYA_NDEBVU AND MABHIZA. THEY ARE BOTH THE SAME PERSON AND PAID BY THE ZANU PF'S MINISTRY OF INFORMATION (PROPOGANDA DEPARTMENT) TO POST AS MUCH PROPOGANDA ON THE WEB AS POSSIBLE TO PROMOTE THE MURDEROUS AND THEIVING ROBERT MUGABE. IF YOU READ ANY OF HIS POSTS YOU'LL SEE THAT HE MAKES THINGS UP AND CONTINUALLY LIES FOR THIS AIM. HE HAS NO CREDIBILITY WHATSOEVER AND SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY. HE WILL CONTINUNALLY CLAIM THAT TSVANGIRAI HAS CALLED FOR SANCTIONS AGAINST THE PEOPLE OF ZIMBABWE. THIS CLAIM IS 100% FALSE AND DESIGNED TO ALIENATE TSVANGIRAI FROM THE MAJORTIY OF THE PEOPLE IN ZIMBABWE THAT SUPPORT HIM. HE HAS NO EVIDENCE OF THIS, AND WILL TRY TO TELL YOU THAT THIS HAPPENED ON BBC HARDTALK. IF YOU LOOK UP TSVANGIRAI'S INTERVIEW ON HARDTALK THROUGH YOUTUBE, YOU WILL SEE THERE ARE NO MENTION OF SANCTIONS AT ALL. IT IS SIMPLY A LIE, LIKE THE REST OF HIS POSTS. HE IS ALSO UNABLE TO NAME A SINGLE SANCTION THAT SITS AGAINST THE PEOPLE OF ZIMBABWE AND HAS NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT ANY OF HIS CLAIMS AND LIES BLATANTLY ON A CONSTANT BASIS. HE WILL ALSO CALL ANY PERSON WHO IS AGAINST THE TRYANNY AND GENOCIDAL REIGN OF MUGABE WHO ARGUES WITH HIM ANY NAME UNDER THE SUN IN AN ATTEMPT TO DISCREDIT THEM. SO PLEASE DONT WASTE YOUR TIME WITH TAKUNYA, HE IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF WHY YOU SHOULD NEVER ARGUE WITH A (SELF PROFESSED!)IDIOT. HE'LL ONLY BRING YOU DOWN TO HIS LEVEL AND BEAT YOU WITH EXPERINCE.

Here is one recent comment "I will not recognize such a GOD who bombs victims instead of aggressors - victim of sanctions, victims of cholera, victims of AIDS, victims of Syphilis, victims of Agent Orange and Dioxin, victims of genocide as in Gaza, Iraq and Afghanistan, victims of homosexuality and victims of all sorts of ills afflicting this world - all created and spread by CIA and MI6."

So the CIA and MI6 invented homosexuality? Syphilis? Dear oh dear. Here are some facts (and you cant argue with facts!) why.. 1) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza work for the Herald, are paid by the ZANU PF to spread propaganda and lies, and to twist the truth in the ZANU PF's favor on the internet.

2) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza are one and the same person.

3) I "killed people and others suffer during slavery. You killed people and made others suffer during colonialism. You are killing people today and making others suffer because they want to have control of their own resources."

3) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza have stated that Mugabe is the most democratic leader in Africa. Seriously!

4) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza have stated that "in a bid to tarnish the image of Zanu pf, MDC went on a killing spree and murderered 130 MDC and Zanu pf supporters in the process."

5) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza believe there were " over 200 CIA operatives criss-crossing the country during the elections."

6) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza believe "Even the British are not happy with Tsvangirai's leaning towards the Americans when it was their (regime change) project in the first place.

7) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza believe that "Prem and Awt_independent, Phiri … are hired by the MDC establishment. Infact they are the brains in MDC hence are the ones strategising attacks on the Zimbabwean people be it via violence or sanctions." So now I work for the CIA, MI5 (see below) and the MDC.

8) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza believe that war veterans and police officers should be allowed to bar the MDC from distributing food to starving orphans.

9) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza believe that freedom of speech should not exist in Zimbabwe and newspaper editors should be monitored to ensure they subscribe to the Zanu PF government's policies.

10) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza believe that the US and Britain have openly stated that they are working with Zimbabwean journalists for "illegal regime change"

11) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza believe the west "created the HIV virus and injeted it into the African people. They then turned around and alleged that HIV originated in Africa"

"virus was created in a lab by some American scientist and injected into selected African families and this is proof enough that their experiments have not ended and this time they are using the HIV virus to exterminate the Africa race."

12) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza believe the MDC has a "dictatorial leader who does not allow alternative voices". Rather ironic that one.

13) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza both support the use of violence, murder, rape and torture by Mugabe against the people of Zimbabwe.

14) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza both believe that Bush is responsible for atrocities in Iraq, and this justifies Mugabe's atrocities in Zimbabwe, including the genocide of 20,000 Ndebele people and the murders of over 100 MDC supporters during this years elections.

15) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza should be ignored because none of their posts are truthful and they are always misleading.

16) If you say anything against Mugabe, Takunya and Comical Mabhiza may say that you are paid by the CIA and MI5 to write here.

17) I do not work for the CIA

18) The CIA does not pay me. If they do, please give them my bank account details, all cards accepted. :-)

19) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza will also resort to childish name calling when they have no factual evidence based argument.

20) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza both believe that Tsvangirai called for sanctions against the people of Mugabe.

21) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza should be ignored because non of their posts are truthful and they are always misleading.

22) Tsvangirai never called for sanctions against the people of Zimbabwe.

23) When confronted and asked for evidence of this, Takunya and Comical Mabhiza have none.

24) The Sanctions faced by Zimbabwe are not against the people of Zimbabwe.

25) The Sanctions faced by Zimbabwe are only against the government and its ministers, and 4 companies, including one that makes military uniforms.

26) None of these Sanctions are faced by the people of Zimbabwe.

27) Tsvangirai is not responsible for these sanctions.

28) If Tsvangirai did not exist, there would still be sanctions on Zimbabwe (as described above).

29) Therefore Tsvangirai is 100% independent of Zimbabwe being sanctioned as above.

30) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza should be ignored because non of their posts are truthful and they are always misleading.

31) Biti and Ncube, and Tsvangirai had no input into the drafting of the American sanctions bill.

32) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza believe the west wants to recolonise Zimbabwe.

33) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza believe the west wants to invade Zimbabwe.

34) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza should be ignored because non of their posts are truthful and they are always misleading.

35) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza believe the west wants to poison aid and kill Zimbabweans.

36) Tsvangirai has never denied aid to the Zimbabwean people, only Mugabe has done this.

37) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza should be ignored because non of their posts are truthful and they are always misleading.

38) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza believe that Zimbabwe only has partial independence and that the fight against colonialism still goes on.

39) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza believe that Tsvangirai called for sanctions whilst being interviewed on BBC HardTalk in 2000.

40) Tsvangirai never appeared on BBC HardTalk in 2000. More lies.

41) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza believe that the British want to bomb Zimbabwe.

42) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza believe that the west wants to inject AIDS into aid to give to the people of Zimbabwe.

43) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza believe that west want to destabilize Zimbabwe and "make it ungovernable for eventual American and British takeover just like in Iraq and Afghanistan."

44) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza believe that Tsvangirai didn’t attend the meeting of SADC heads in Swaziland because he refused to go, and that he had a valid passport tor travel. This is after the Zim government clearly stated that Tsvangirai wasn’t issued a passport because there was no paper to make passports due to paper being under sanction.

45) Paper is not under any type of sanction.

46) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza believe that Zimbabwe does not need any outside help.

47) Takunya and Comical Mabhiza believe that Bush is tainting Genetically Modified Foods with Aids and delivering it to Zimbabwe. Is this even possible?

48) Takunya and comical Mabhiza believe that Tsvangirai boycotted the Swaziland summet in favour of a round of golf.

49) For saying these things, Takunya and Mabhiza have tried to discredit me by saying that "You have supported the American war on Iraq and Afghanistan. You have supported the torture of suspected terrorists by the CIA as it practises its extraordinary randition around the world. You have supported the rape of women and girls by the American soldiers many times. You have supported the use of chemical weapons on civilians in Vietnam many times on this forum. You are a CIA agent. You have been exposed as a bitter former white commercial farmer who got recruted by the CIA. You are totally against the land reform do not lie. You were part of the killing machinary that massacred our comrades at Chimoio, Nyadzonya, Mkushi etc."

All of this is simply propaganda made up by Takunya and Mabhiza to discredit what I say in my posts. And obvious as such to everyone with a brain. And I wouldnt be campaigning so strongly for the people of Zimbabwe who are subject to such practices at the hands of the Butcher of Harare if any of this were true. Water off a ducks back to me though.

PS did everyone spot the 4 spelling mistakes in that piece of nonsense. Someone needs to learn how to spell too. :-)

So just ignore Takunya and Comical Mabhiza, and let these facts speak for themselves.

Thank you for your time.

what a fool how can you think like that thats not what you call freedoom all this killings going on in zim that use to be a good country now it looks like a ghost town I hope you are living in zim today thats not a place one wish even your woset eneamy to be

Sense: Did Justina recruit, attempt to recruit, directly or indirectly latrones to overthrow the Government of Zimbabwe?

Nonsense: Justina was allegedly beaten, bla, bla, bla, ba humbug.

Nonsense Spotters in the City of Sense, Harare.

So then maybe, little lady Jabba, you can tell us what happened to Jestina? Why dont you tell us how the bad Jestina beat the sticks of her"interrorgaters" with her nasty little feet.

Throughout the long history of mankind, treasonous traitors are not usually treated kindly anywhere in the world; because they are playing the evil role of 'enemies within'.

ZANU-PF has been overly magnanimous to BOTH the treasonous traitors who fought against fellow Africans and on the side of the ian smith racist criminal gang of 'yesterday', and also magnanimous to the treasonous traitors of the MDC (Mentally Deluded by Colonialists) of today.

The Zim Patriots of ZANU-PF have the OBLIGATION to protect Zimbabwe AT ANY COST to the enemies, DOMESTIC and foreign!

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i think that when this political storm dies all those who are getting involved in these heinous acts on innocent citizens should be made to account 4 their actions. 'there is no place like home' but in zim its the opposite. where should one find happiness and joy besides his country of birth?its saddening to see sons and daughters of the soil torturing each other like that just to protect one man who has been killing the better part of his life.

Mukoko has a lot to look forward to - should the sovereign people of the democracy of Zimbabwe pursue the certain options at their disposal. She may look back at what she is describing now as a nice preamble.

So, those seditious saboteurs in cozy detention in Zimbabwe are complaining about being detained. And they imagine that they have been tortured. Really!

They should be reminded that Zimbabwe is a democracy. And that democracies have a way of dealing with those who present a danger to their national security.

They should be cautioned that they have experienced nothing yet. They should expect more - from the citizens of the democracy of the glorious people of maZimbabwe.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1071284,00.html

Choko, your referral to the Time magazine article was interesting.I wonder if the open press in Zim ,"the Herald" could run a few articles on what's goin' on behind cell doors in Harare? Mugga like Bush ,when they commit or permit a criminal act ,are immediately in denial and above reproach until democracy steps in(want of a better word) or people just get fed up with the bullsh.t..! Bush was smart, he went for Presidential immunity..Blair got another job and Howard got the boot with a bloody big pension.All these #@%$*@# fellas won!!??But at least,they are now in a position where their influence is irrelavent.The world is moving on .

" your referral to the Time magazine article was interesting."

And there is more.

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" .. I wonder if the open press in Zim ,"the Herald" could run a few articles on what is going on behind cell doors in Harare? ...."

Have patient, my son. You may note that the rapes, tortures and killings were/are not reported as they happen - in real time. Some atrocities that were inflicted more than five years ago are being reported now and most may never be reported.

In short, the reports disseminated are HISTORICAL, redacted and, believe it, relatively benign. More graphic pictures of torture are available online.

And the USA government, the president and the departments and individuals involved maintain that such treatment - in the USA's concentration camps at Guantanamo(Cuba), Abu Ghraib(Iraq) , Baghram(Afghanistan) and in several location in countries which are the destination of USA's rendition trips - did not constitute to 'torture'. And there will be no trials at the west's ICC or the Hague or Nuremberg for USA's or UK's officials implicated in crimes against humanity.

Now, what were you saying about Zimbabwe?

The seditious lot in Zimbabwe have not been similarly tortured yet. There is nothing to report. And it will be reported years after it happens - or never.

You should learn how democracies operate, junior. And the USA is a good example.

I note that Mukoko is still feisty, can talk and still has her mental faculties and bodily functions still sound, normal. Not so, for many of democracy's torture victims. Mukoko, have you read about the woman named Aafia Siddiqui?

http://www.baltimorechronicle.com/2008/121508Lendman.shtml

So, Mokoko and the rest of the now-whining traitors, more is yet to come - from the valiant Mbuya Nehanda's offspring who you seek to destroy.

Your right choko,we'll probably have to wait until a few Zanu thugs are made to answer these questions.Bullsh.t begets bullsh.t.So let us all say a big thank you to all you fellas in denial for giving a reason of existence to illegal Gitmo!!!!!

{ Your right choko,we'll probably have to wait until (USA and UK) thugs are made to answer these questions. ...}

You said it.

And while we are at it, there is still some matter pending - plunder and the crimes against humanity committed by UK and EU countries against the Africans ....

Did the Africans ever plunder Europe? Or rape, torture or slaughter millions of Europeans?

...."Your right choko,we'll probably have to wait until (USA and UK) thugs are made to answer these questions. ...} You said it"..What's this ?? A very good example of your deceit Choko .You change my words and then say "you said it" Pathetic and inept. Dont bother mate first you have to stop blaming everyone else, because Mugga and people like you own this mess.

Chokora the answer is no because those Africans who follow Mugabe had their OWN African people to do those dastardly actions to.