Halo Mabasa Sasa And Sydney Kawadza! When you look at Zimbabwe and all its present ills, (nobody needs even to start listing them), and read this article from the Herald you will at least begin to understand why Zimbabwe is moribound. Mugabe is a failed leader because he and his ZANU-PF live in a fairy world. They are corrupt, cruel, selfish, ignorant and primitive bunch who have not even the minimun level of love for their fellow Africans. They believe in primitive superstitions, for example that it is the Whitemen in the UK and the USA who are responsible for all the ills of Zimbabwe. When they got the country from the Whites 28 years ago it was the pride of all Africa. They have “ruled” our country singlehandedly and have destroyed it. And they still blame the Whiteman for it! It is truly pathetic of the ZANU-Pathetic Front. How can they be patriots when they ruin their fatherland, kill their own relatives, enslave their own people, bring shame on their own race, send to exile their own countrymen? Oh that so many have to be so insane before the New Dawn! Oh that this bunch of criminals have to be repentant before Zimbabwe is truly free! My name is Hokoyo. I will be there when you heng by the feet! PS Zimbabwe has no legal government and therefore no opposition. The Herald cannot be a “government newspaper”! The Herald is a ZANU-Pathetic Front mouthpiece!

I agree with you Hokoyo, the type of leadership that has run the country for the past 28years hardly facilitated any signficant investment into the country so they have nothing to show. They want to blind people by claiming false circumstances such as travel bans as having hindered development in the country. HAPANA TOTALLY that Zanu PF can claim to have developed in this country. Evidence is there of the infrastructure they found and now laying derelict. Basa rekungo chema chete matumbu akazvimba. If we lose Zanu PF noone would starve or care.

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Hollowjaw, all you ever do is come on here and say that the content of anyone who says anything against Mugabe is nonsense. Yet you have no argument to back up your comments. Its easy to simply come on here and say that peoples comments are nonsense. It takes an intelligent man to come on here and use logic and sensible argument to rebut another persons comments. But you never do it. You just come here and waste peoples time. It really is quite sad, and extremely childish. Nonsense here, nonsense there. No one even cares what you say anymore because you never have anything constructive to say.

And you always go and make yourself look even more stupid by signing if with some childish piece about where you are from. It really is pathetic.

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Chokora “No” to both of your questions. I happen to comment first because I am a Zimbabwean and am very concerned about the situation in our country. “Juvenile palaver”? Call it what you will. I wish those with what you call “enquiring minds” would get a bit more cultured by probing into the true history of the Liberation Struggle of Zimbabwe, from Mbuya NeHanda to the present , as I have done. When we helped RG Mugabe to flee to Mozambique we knew what the goal was. When we channeled the Mhondoro Spirits to guide the “vakomana ne vasikana in the bushes of Rhodesia, we knew what the goal was. When we saw every family offering dear ones to die for The Liberation of Zimbabwe we also knew what the goal was. When we see Zimbabweans suffering from hunger, disease, unemployment, terrorism from fellow Zimbabweans, we repentant that the Chimurenga has been aborted by servants of foreign exploiters, whether they maybe British, Arabs, Asians, Americans or even fellow Africans like SA and SADC. A true Mhondoro can still channel the messages of Mbuya NeHanda today and tell you that the Zimbabwe Struggle has been hijacked because the Zimbabweans are suffering as never before and have to go into exile inorder to survive. Mbuya NeHanda died at the hands of the foreign oppressors saying that her bones will never rott until we got our LAND back. By LAND she MEANT not just physical land but also freedom from fear, health, education, employment, prosperity, development etc. Mugabe did not only kill the true liberators of Zimbabwe, he has also pushed Zimbabwe back to pre-stone age! The Bantus of Zimbabwe were civilized long before Europe and America and could travel to and from space with Zvitundumuseremusere. Are your enquiring minds well vested in these issues or are they brainwashed by Western Education?

Hokoyo;

Once again you have displayed your ignorance and stupidity. LAND does not mean “freedom from fear, health, education, employment, prosperity, development”. LAND brings about the possibility of achieving these, PERIOD. When Mbuya Nehanda talked about LAND on her day of assassination and before, she was referring to physical LAND and everything on and in it – the land we mine our gold and diamonds from, the land we built our houses on, the land we bury each other in and not the right to “use” it for our benefit as is the case even under oppression. One can have all that you mentioned but without owning the LAND.

A good example of people like that are the Maori of New Zealand who have all these but have no land and seem happy to be allocated a few insignificant seats in Parliament. If you think this is not true ask Awt_independent who purports to be a Maori or speaks on their behalf. Up to this day, 200 years after being dispossessed, the Maori do not have their land back, gold mines back and their fishing rights back but Awt says he is a Maori and is happy with that status quo. So you have it.

The fact that you say stupid things about the struggle and freedom fighters proves beyond any shred of doubt that you do not know anything about and never participated in the liberation struggle. How can you say you personally “channeled the Mhondoro spirits to guide” freedom fighters as if the Mhondoros themselves did not know what they wanted.

You further expose yourself as one who is totally ignorant of why the struggle was waged in the first place. You have this stupid and idiotic notion, prevalent in most sellouts, that the struggle for our motherland ended when we got political independence in 1980. You are also ignorant of the fact that we suffered much worse during the liberation struggle than now. This is all because you were never part of those who were fighting to free the country but those who wanted to perpetuate colonial rule, oppression, subjugation and slavery. If only you knew what "detente" was all about, you would not talk of what we are going through as anything out of the ordinary.

How can you probe into the “history of the Liberation Struggle of Zimbabwe” when you were part of it, it should come naturally. Personally I do not need to probe anything because I was part and parcel of the struggle. I know why I went to war. I also know that the struggle for my freedom did not end when I went into the assemble points – it only took a new and different form.

I am perfectly aware that those who dispossessed me will NEVER give me what rightly belongs to me on a sliver platter. If they could sacrifice one or two of their own; defending Rhodesia, defending colonialism, defending oppression, defending subjugation of the black man, why would they not do the same today to defend the ill-gotten wealth?

If they could use cholera and anthrax to kill freedom fighters, what stops them using the same diseases that are already embedded in our soils? What stops them withholding balance of payment support to Zimbabwe so as to cause the suffering we are seeing today, but meanwhile lying that the sanctions are on a few individuals in government? What stops them from invading my country because of cholera when they care more about their interests than about Zimbabweans?

For me what I am going through is part of the struggle that only entered another phase in 1980, the only difference being that I have now been empowered and no amount of chicanery and propaganda can change my views about the need to persevere until final victory is achieved, with President Mugabe in the lead.

You also surprise me that a Dzakutsaku like you could help President Mugabe flee to Mozambique when you were hunting for him all over? That heroic role belongs to the late national hero, Chief Rekayi Tangwena and not you, wachepa iwe.

The fact that Zimbabwe is still standing today, 10 years after being blockaded by the biggest powers (militarily and economically) in the world, is testimony that GOD is on President Mugabe's side, hence approves of what he has done and is doing. Moses went through worse problems than us and was abandoned by those closest to him but he still succeeded and the sons of Israel reached the promised LAND.

takunya_ndebvu, This is an excellent post, one of the best that I've read on this or any other board.

Takuya-ndebvu, I dont see your argument. We seem to agree on what land ment for Mbuya NeHanda. We differ on the Way Forward. I want Mugabe out but you want him to stay. Ok. Do you have to call me Dzakutsaku for that? We Bantus have had DAREs for discussions not for insulting each others!

Hokoyo;

Only a Dzakutsaku could say what you said and purports to have participated in the liberation struggle when they were responsible for the killing of civilians. Where, when and how did you help President Mugabe to flee to Mozambique? Only Dzakutsaku would want to present themselves as freedom fighters when they were against the liberation struggle and are still against the struggle to free our heritage from imperial Bush and Brown.

Takuya-ndebvu You are a real product of imperialistic brain-washing. They love people like you: ignorat and stupid. You were probably bleeched in USSR, NKorea of some other communist counrty. That is why you bark useless slogans. Every country or race is basically selfish. You many have carried a gun but you were brainwashed first so that is why you survived Mugabe: he and the true imperialists told you to bark these useless slogans the rest of your life. You are incapable of independent rational thuoght.

This what the "evil west" said about your illustrious half Malawian President : Ambassador Andrew Young described Robert Mugabe in an interview with the Times of London. “Does Mr. Mugabe strike you as a violent man?” the Times reporter asked. “Not at all, he’s a very gentle man,” Young replied. “In fact, one of the ironies of the whole struggle is that I can’t imagine Joshua Nkomo, or Robert Mugabe, ever pulling the trigger on a gun to kill anyone. I doubt that they ever have.” Of course Mugabe "the war hero" never killed anyone , he had lackeys like hollowjaw , greenbomb, ndebvhu, ak and other morons do his dirty work for him. Even Cde Samora Machel recognised he was no hero and placed him under house arrest for 2 years ! Big war hero ? Aikona , a cowardly loudmouth using evil means to hurt Zimbabwe and doing the same now ! Ishe Komberera Afrika !

takunya_ndebvu Your arguments are so shallow that it is not worth using more time discussing anything with you at this point. But as a bonus to you I would like to give you some homework to do before The New Zimbabwe dawns. True patriots don’t claim credit for their patriotic endeavours like you and the so called War Vets do. I tell you, as I have told my children and grandchildren, that I was in Hwahwazira after crossing the Pungwe River clearing the way for young fighters and others like Mugabe to cross over to Portuguese East Africa aka Mocambique (called after Musa Albeq, the Arab trader). I have searched history in order to get a better understanding for myself and my people. The Arabs were the first to enslave Africans and some still do that to this day. The Europeans used the Arabs and the Asians in the colonial era to enslave Africans. But there have always been some African chiefs or kings who used these foreigners to strenght their own grip to power and supress the true peoples of the land, the Povo. This phenomenon has continued to the present era on the continent of Africa. That is why we have dictators like Mugabe, supported by felons like you who lick the ass of the dictator and continue to impede the true liberation of the people of the lands. You echo Mugabe’s bellowings that the land of Zimbabwe has been destroyed by the Europeans and the Americans. Even claiming that cholera, a bacterial disease caused by bad hygiene, is Whiteman’s whichcraft. I will share with you one last fact about the dynamics of emancipation: If a people want to shade off the chains of enslavement they should only cut off the head of your present chief! Zimbabwe IS a free republic, not a kingdom, and all its ills come from within its borders. God gave all peoples everything they need within their own lands. We only need to chop off the heads of Mugabe, his dogs in ZANU-PF, CIO and poor bafoons like you in order to be truely masters of our land. You are all a greedy and misguided bunch of brainless traiters! PS. Rhodesia, like South Africa, had a law on exogamous matrimonial affiliations!

Hokoyo, Takunya is one of the most idiotic posters on this site. He will not listen to anything you say and has said very stupid things like the MI5 and CIA created homosexuality and spread it to Africa, and that the MDC murdered 130 of their own supporters during the elections to give Mugabe a bad name. You really are wasting your time if you think you can have a logical argument with him. But I have to say I am impressed with your knowledge and rational thought. Its refreshing to read on this site with the likes of Takunya, Chokoro Kube, Shallowhead and others clogging it up with uneducated brainwashed nonsense, like the comments I mentioned above.

Crikey!! I'm not going to react to the article, it's distorted, biased as well as a baseless load of diatribe from the HERALD posted by Allafrica to draw the venal comments from Mugga's groupies.I wouldn't mind if it were a piece of THEIR mind ,only I doubt if they have that freedom!

Takunya, please don't lie and then says its in my name. Maori do have land. Many thousands of acres of native forest. And Maoris also have fishing rights. We also have more than a few insignificant seats in parliament. In fact we have much greater representation in government than our population.That's what happens when you fight the might of the British and force them into signing a treaty. Go the mighty Maori. Shame you zimbos were too dumb and cowardly and got defeated.

Awt_independent;

In my mother tongue thats what we call Kuzvifadza nenhema "Making yourself pappy or intertaining yourself with your own lies" - a fool's pass-time. But then I do not blame you because you are not Maori and so it does not hurt you that the Maori had to be force marched to signing a treat that gave away their motherland.

Today the people of Maori, the true owners of the land in New Zealand, have to be "allocated" useless and insignificant parliamentary seats. What a shame this is for so-called brave and mighty Maori who have to be granded the right to use their own land by "defeated" invaders!!

Why do you pretend to know so much about something you clearly from your comments know nothing about?

In regards to land ownership, The Treaty actually "guaranteed full rights of ownership of their lands, forests, fisheries and other possessions". It also guaranteed "undisturbed possession" of all their lands and properties.

You say the Maori were frogmarched to sign it, but in reality over 500 Maori chiefs debated over it for a long period before they signed it.

Yes the Maori are allocated seats in parliament. But why do you say this is bad? This is to ensure that the Maori have an input into the governance of New Zealand. Surely having representation in government has to be a good thing. You should also learn that in a MMP style of government, as in New Zealand, these seats become alot more significant than you would think, especially with 2 significant parties that usually require a 3rd party to form a government.

Its funny though, you forget that the Maori originally invaded NZ 600 years ago and took over from the Maoriori who were there before them. So you could argue that the Maori have as much right to the land as the Pakeha. The Maori havent been in NZ for 10,000 years as Africans or Aborignal Australians have. Its very different.

You clearly enjoy making things up though. I did laugh when you said that the CIA and MI5 invented homosexuality and spread it through Africa. I guess these clearly uneducated comments and the ones you have just posted clearly show that I am dealing with a school kid here.

Awt_independent;

I do not pretend to know so much about oppressed people around the world but I actually know a lot about them because we share a lot in common. If you cannot convince a "school kid" then it means you are a kindergarten child.

You say that "in reality over 500 Maori chiefs debated over it for a long period before they signed it". Tell me who drafted the Treaty and in whose favour? There is no way a winner can be dictated to by the loser. The fact that the “500 Maori chiefs” did not draft the “Treaty” is proof enough that they were defeated and frog-marched to sign the “Treaty” which they obviously did not want as it was not in their favour. What they deliberated on is whether to allow the barbarians who were committing genocide to continue slaughtering their people or not - they decided to surrender and were frog-marched to sign the Treaty.

Asfor the allocation of seat to the non-existent Maori, well, this is another of your many lies that you paddle on this site. The other day you said that there are no Maori left in New Zealand today and that the last "pure blooded Maori died in 1905". If you are not making this up, what is the need, any more, of allocating special seat to a non-existent ethnic group? You said that all the people of New Zealand today are of European descent or have European ancestry.

You went further to say that you yourself are not a pure Maori as you are of mixed race “like the Cape coloreds in South Africa”. There is therefore no need to call anyone a Maori today when these particular people have been exterminated, that is, when they do not exist anymore, as a result, firstly, of ethnic cleansing and genocide carried our by the invaders and secondly, through systematic disorientation carried out over the years to ensure that the Maori feel like foreigners in their own country. Just like the Aborigines of Australia, the Maori people cannot trace their history as it is being told and taught to them by those who continue to subjugate and oppress them.

Just for interest sake, where did the Maori come from when they “invaded” New Zealand 600 years? Did the Maori also ethnically cleanse the Maoriori such that they no longer exist today in New Zealand? If they still exist where do they fit-in into the whole New Zealand equation today?

Do they also have seats allocated to them by the “majority” Kapeha who now have more rights to the land than those who have been on the lands for thousands of years? What was the name of the country before the Maori "invasion"?

You say you know "a lot about them because we share a lot in common." How can this be? Maori are not oppressed people. We are a strong and proud people and our warriors would defeat yours any day of the week.

The English drafted the treaty because the Maori were unable to write. The Maori language up until that point was purely a spoken language and not written.

You say "The fact that the “500 Maori chiefs” did not draft the “Treaty” is proof enough that they were defeated and frog-marched to sign the “Treaty”"

How so? They were unable to write! Clearly another example of where you have guessed because you simply do not know enough about the subject.

So what evidence do you have to support your assumptions?

You say I paddle lies on this site? I can back everything I say here with evidence. Something you simply cannot.

Why do you want to portray the maori as being victoms when simply they are not? You dont even know that the Maori invaded the peace-loving Moriori killing many and enslaving many more. You just have no idea.

You dont even know what the term Maori implies, yet you continue to post here like you know everything. This is simple, but you dont even know it. If someone has a grand father that is Maori, they can be categorised as Maori, even if all their other ancestors are european. So all decendents of the Maori people are Maori. So clearly no a "non-existent ethnic group"

"You said that all the people of New Zealand today are of European descent or have European ancestry." - Mainly true. There is alot of immigration from asian countries of late, leading to a proportion of the population with asian ancestry also.

Please can you provide evidence of this ethnic cleansing and genocide you talk about?

To answer your question about the Maori and where they came from, the answer is unknown but is though is thought to be Hawaii or Tahiti. Maori are polynesian and their language is similar to Hawaiian and Tahitian. And yes, the Maoriori were ethnically clensed by the Maori, and do not exist anymore in New Zealand.

Also its "Pakeha" not "Kapeha". Why do you need to continually keep educating you. This really is basic stuff which you keep getting wrong. Why do you keep saying things you clearly know nothing about? You dont even know what Pakeha is! And cant even spell it!

The Maori are proud people and not oppressed. You're just jealous that your ancestors became oppressed and mine didnt.

Takunya, are you going to be a victim all your life?

Thanks, takunya_ndebvu. Reading your comment makes time spent on the web worthwhile.

Mbuya Nehanda,

Our ancestors - Your Offspring, Your People, honor thee.

Charwe Nyakasikana! Your will, So be it.

God on Mugabe's side? God cannot look on sin, just as he could not look on his own son when Jesus took everyones sin upon himself when being crucified. Tell you what , on Judgement day lets see who gets thrown into the lake of fire. I would rather see Robert Mugabe in heavan than hell, his choice , your choice,my choice ,everyones choice. If anyone says that they love God and does evil is a liar and a hypocrit. If Mr Mugabe loves God then why is he always using the forces to beat up the people who he claims love him. Judgement day is where the sheep get separated from the goats. Where is the love in you. Forgiveness means you choose to let bygones be bygones and remember no more. You seem to remember everything. I would love to shake your hand and throw my arms around you as a brother in Christ and share a true loving prosperous Zimbabwe for all under God.

" .. I happen to comment first because I am a Zimbabwean .."

An excuse as lame as your twaddle.

Chokora “No” to both of your questions. I happen to comment first because I am a Zimbabwean and am very concerned about the situation in our country. “Juvenile palaver”? Call it what you will. I wish those with what you call “enquiring minds” would get a bit more cultured by probing into the true history of the Liberation Struggle of Zimbabwe, from Mbuya NeHanda to the present , as I have done. When we helped RG Mugabe to flee to Mozambique we knew what the goal was. When we channeled the Mhondoro Spirits to guide the “vakomana ne vasikana in the bushes of Rhodesia, we knew what the goal was. When we saw every family offering dear ones to die for The Liberation of Zimbabwe we also knew what the goal was. When we see Zimbabweans suffering from hunger, disease, unemployment, terrorism from fellow Zimbabweans, we repentant that the Chimurenga has been aborted by servants of foreign exploiters, whether they maybe British, Arabs, Asians, Americans or even fellow Africans like SA and SADC. A true Mhondoro can still channel the messages of Mbuya NeHanda today and tell you that the Zimbabwe Struggle has been hijacked because the Zimbabweans are suffering as never before and have to go into exile inorder to survive. Mbuya NeHanda died at the hands of the foreign oppressors saying that her bones will never rott until we got our LAND back. By LAND she MEANT not just physical land but also freedom from fear, health, education, employment, prosperity, development etc. Mugabe did not only kill the true liberators of Zimbabwe, he has also pushed Zimbabwe back to pre-stone age! The Bantus of Zimbabwe were civilized long before Europe and America and could travel to and from space with Zvitundumuseremusere. Are your enquiring minds well vested in these issues or are they brainwashed by Western Education?

It's a fact that SADC is toothless and unable to fulfill peoples' aspirations with murderers like Mugabe allowed to sit amongst its leaders! The SA government is to be most blamed for this situation to be still tolerated.

The world knows Mugabe is a complete failure, worst that Papa Duvalier, head of another former banana republic.

Instead of snubbing MDC, SADC ought to admit its inability to influence matters in favour of a return to sanity and democracy in Zimbabwe.

Shame on Jallohlaw and group who refuse to see the reality of what Zimbos expeience under lunatic Mugabe.

Mugabe's illegitimate rule is the laughing stock across the world. Zimbabwe is definitely back to the stone age era with a currency not even worth for toilet use!

Hail democratic Zimbos who can still survive & down with bootlickers like Jallohlaw & group!

WELL SAID HOKOYO but theZIMBOS SHOULD BE LIKE THE THAIS THEY DID NOT USE WEAPONS AGAINST THEIR ROTTEN GOVT. IT WAS THEIR TACTICS

We prefer the agreement of monkeys and baboons than an agreement from the Femme, Schizo-bipolar soupist from soupist occupied territories of West Africa, Slyvia Zero Blyden.

NONSENSE + NONSENSE = NONSENSE, n'est pas, bovine Blyden?

Brigade on sense and nonsense in the City of concordance among the mentally fit, HARARE.

Hollowjaw, all you ever do is come on here and say that the content of anyone who says anything against Mugabe is nonsense. Yet you have no argument to back up your comments. Its easy to simply come on here and say that peoples comments are nonsense. It takes an intelligent man to come on here and use logic and sensible argument to rebut another persons comments. But you never do it. You just come here and waste peoples time, make words up, and throw large words together in a vain attempt to sound intelligent. But in reality, you look like a fool. It really is quite sad, and extremely childish. Nonsense here, nonsense there. No one even cares what you say anymore because you never have anything constructive to say.

And you always go and make yourself look even more stupid by signing if with some childish piece about where you are from. It really is pathetic.

The usual bovine and sickening crap from rhodie wat.

NONESENSE UNTIL THE SECOND COMING.

MANO O MANO.

once again you prove me right. Many thanks for continuing to show the world what uneducated idiots the Mugabe supporters are.

Hokoyo;

I now doubt if you are Zimbabwean. If you are, then you should be one of the disgruntled former white farmers, a former Rhodesian soldier, Dzakutsaku or an unrepentant sellout. For no Zimbabwean who lived under oppression, subjugation, and slavery for close to 100 years could say such a stupid thing, that Zimbabwe, before independence in 1980 “was the pride of all Africa”.

Maybe you need to qualify what the country was a “pride of all Africa” for, but in doing so please do not confuse Rhodesia and Zimbabwe and do not confuse the life led by whites and that led by blacks. The two periods, of Rhodesia and Zimbabwe, are totally different and can never be the same.

When President took over from racist Ian Smith in 1980, no one can claim that Zimbabwe (named Rhodesia by our colonizers) was a “pride of Africa” when only 1% of Africans could go to school, when the nearest hospital was 100 kms away, when only 4 000 white farmers owned and controlled more than 80% of all arable land while Africans were crowded in barren and semi-arid areas.

Those of us who lived the two lives can testify to the fact that life under oppression was not a “pride of Africa” when only whites were allowed to live in the northern suburbs of Harare, when a white man had the absolute right to write a pass for a black domestic worker to travel from one suburb to another passing through Harare’s CBD.

No one should have any elusions as to the kind of life we lived under British oppression when only white people were allowed to walk in First Street, when there were separate schools, hospitals, toilets, bars, queues in banks, you name them, for blacks and whites, when during drought periods Africans were given animal feeds while whites were adequately catered for with rice, bread and potatoes that we toiled to produce and when blacks had no recourse to the courts for any dispute that pitted them against a white man.

It was only after 1980 that President Mugabe gave a sense of pride to the Blackman of Zimbabwe. He opened all the opportunities that we see the fruits of today – Zimbabwe having over 90% literacy rate. He championed the right of all Zimbabweans and gave dignity to all of us regardless of race, creed, political affiliation and what have you. He inculcated a sense of belonging to the African people who had for years been treated as third class citizen in their mother land. He gave confidence to all of us, the confidence that some of you are now misusing by demonising the very man who liberated you.

This is precisely why Zimbabweans are refusing to do the bidding for imperialists who want us to revolt against our government and leaders because of cholera. They imposed sanctions on us so that through the suffering we are experiencing in Zimbabwe today, we oust our President.

As a direct result of the patriotism inculcated in our people, Zimbabweans, who had been hoodwinked into training as Tsvangirai’s militias, came forward and revealed the plot to invade Zimbabwe because of cholera as if this was the first time and first country to experience outbreaks of deadly diseases.

Zimbabweans are fully aware that Britain itself suffered from the mad-cow disease but no one called for the bombing of the British people. They also know that the whole world is today suffering from the man-made credit crunch but no one has advocated for the bombing of Americans and Europeans. Instead everybody is putting their heads together to minimize the impact of this man-made down turn.

This is also why the Botswana Foreign Minister and his president, who had called for the bombing of Zimbabwe, retracted their statements. It was all because of patriotic Zimbabweans at home and abroad who have their country at heart who said NO to the nonsense whereby Britain and America want to kill us because of cholera like they are doing in Gaza. Zimbabweans, wherever they may be, have a stake in their country and so will not let go of that EVER important heritage.

Takuya-ndebvu, Good that you doubt. I am none of your “one of the disgruntled former white farmers, a former Rhodesian soldier, Dzakutsaku or an unrepentant sellout.” In 1980 Zimbabwe was not perfect but it was better than any other African country.For example, Mbuya Nehanda Hospital was the best in Africa. I have seen it rot down because of corruption, mismanagement, misrule etc. I lived though everything bad that you mentione, and more. I am a black Zimbabwean and started fighting for the liberation of Zimbabwe in 1962. I verbally and physically assalted Europeans, Arabs and Asians in Southern Rhodesia bacause they were all racists. I know Mugabe well. I know the power struggle between the black Zimbabweans well. I knew every prospective leader who was assasinated by Mugabe and others well. Now I also know black Zimbabweans who are selfish, cruel, sadistic, oppotunistic etc. I have travelled the world over and seem Zimbabweans in the diaspora who still think Europeans are masters. I have studed abroad and always raised my head with pride and commonsence. I have had Europeans working under me and others washing my toilets. I have always known that I am as good or intelligent as anybody else. I have helped the freedom fighters and any Zimbabwean who needed my help abrosd and in Zimbabwe. I have known stupid and confused Zimbabwean abroad and in Zimbabwe. If a people have fairy ideas about true freedom they will remain oppressed, by foreigners or by their own race. It is shameful to read and hear about Zimbabweans who cannot see that there is something fundamentally wrong with Mugabe and his regime. Some of our Zimbabweans have never known what freedom and prosperity means but they talk and write as if they do. I see most the the Zimbabweans enslave their own people more than the Europeans, Arabs and Asians did during the colonial periode. My struggle is now to free Zimbabweans from oppression by fellow Zimbabweans who use our resources to enrich themselves and foreigners, buy weapons to oppress us more than we have ever been oppressed before. Wake up and see things as they are and stop fooling yourself. What is there to be proud of when you cannot even manage to grow your own food, clean your streets, maintain your hospitals, creat jobs for your people, and provide education and security? Finally Mugabe is NOT president of Zimbabwe! He and ZANU-PF lost the elections of March 2008. He admitted it! Why have elections if you are not going to accept the results? It is a gross insult to the people of Zimbabwe for Mbeki to suggest that Mugabe should invite Tswangori into a unity government! Tswangirai had more votes than Mugabe and MDC got the largest number of sits in parlament! Tswangirai got the biggest mandate from the Zimbabweans and he should invite either Mugabe and his ZANU-PF or Mutambara and form a government. Not the other way around! If Mugabe doesnt want to reliquish power then Tswangirai and MDC have a mandate to oust him by any means available so that Zimbabwe can have a functioning government to solve the acute and chronic problems. Pamberi neChimurenga 3!

Hokoyo;

I am happy to note that you are inviting others and not yourself to oust President Mugabe - proof enough you are not Zimbabwean. Secondly, you spell Tsvangirai as "Tswangirai", further evidence that you are not Zimbabwean.

You also did the right thing to mention that you "verbally and physically assalted Europeans", which does not necessarily mean fighting for freedom. You can "verbally and physically assalted" someone for taking your girlfriend or for stepping on your toe and that can not in any way be said to be fighting for freedom since "1962". I took up arms and fought in the liberation struggle.

Studying abroad and having whites work under you does not make you clever. Your time abroad should have opened both your eyes and brain but, alas, it has actually brainwashed you to the extent of not knowing that Parirenyatwa Hospital, in 1980, was only for whites.

You amaze me by day dreaming (KUVHUMUKA)at this moment in time. You can day dream as much as you want and when you wake up President Mugabe will still be Head of State and Head of Government of Zimbabwe. I know you will be disappointed and frustrated when you wake up but this will not change anything as he resoundingly won the run-off elections beating the sellout hands down. Uchida usingadi, therefore, Tsvangirai is being invited, and SADC has told him so, into govt and not the other way round.

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God save South Africa. This is the most pathetic drivel I have read, especially coming from a regional entity. What do these fools stand for anyway ? They have are not principled at all. They are talking about strong this or strong that: how pathetic are these. It smacks of backward of "big man" Idi Amin type of politics.

How low will sadc sink before they deserve any respect from anybody ?

At this rate the South African leadership will turn Zimbabwe into a surrogate state, or a province of South Africa.

More junk from the pyschotropic 'brain' of of the house of NON-BEING: FEMME, SCHIZO-BIPOLAR, SUPREME SOUPIST, sylyvia benjamins blyden.

Expect more of the same claptrap from this literary barbarian and political poodle of the SOUPIST STRUCTURE in the soupist occupied states of West Africa.

School on NON-BEING in the City of Authentic African METHODOLOGICALLY GUIDED PHILOSOPHY, HARARE.

Hollowjaw, all you ever do is come on here and say that the content of anyone who says anything against Mugabe is nonsense. Yet you have no argument to back up your comments. Its easy to simply come on here and say that peoples comments are nonsense. It takes an intelligent man to come on here and use logic and sensible argument to rebut another persons comments. But you never do it. You just come here and waste peoples time, make words up, and throw large words together in a vain attempt to sound intelligent. But in reality, you look like a fool. It really is quite sad, and extremely childish. Nonsense here, nonsense there. No one even cares what you say anymore because you never have anything constructive to say.

And you always go and make yourself look even more stupid by signing if with some childish piece about where you are from. It really is pathetic.

During the apartheid era,South Africans supported relentlessly Renamo and Unita for their own cause.They looted diamonds,women and other minerals.Today they are doing that to Zimbabwe.They are stealing precious God given Zimbabwean lives.Their pro Mugabe stance has always been unquestionable.Now that ANC has opposition from its own structures,I would like to see how they are going to co operate because I can assure you readers that what Mugabe did to the likes of Chris Ushewekunze,Duri and others, someone in South African will shed blood of political opponents.

Hokoyo:

Why are you often the first to muddy up the waters with your poisonous dim-witted comments? Are you trying to set the tone of discussion to a more euro-centric bent?

You are like the famed hyena that urinates upwind to scatter the herd downwind.

How do you get to know the precise time when the posts come out so that you can be the first to urinate on it?

Are you on the staff of AllAfrica? Are you one of those who posts the articles?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Viva our brothers in South Africa, you really told this bitch Frazer what she is supposed to hear. They always want to commandeer SADC leadership as if they are under American imperialism. They should know that Frontline States liberated themselves being assisted by Soviet Union, China, Cuba and other progressive forces.They were not at all assisted by America, so why does it want to disturb what we gained outside their jurisdiction,stupid and senseless Jendayi i know you are out of employment very soon, you are going back to the pool, demoted like this stupid guy who was finally sent as deputy ambassador to Karzai"s land after failing to remove our beloved Bob. SADC for African (ONLY) influence please not American and British neo colonialism. Go hang Jendayi, you are black outside but white inside, we don"t need you here

So Sadc is for the Africans and Europe and the states are only when your leaders want to BEG AND STASH EVERYTHING AWAY FROM YOU FELLAS

WHAT A SIC COMMENT COMING FROM U- HOPE YOUR COUNTRY WILL OFFER TO HELP THOSE SOMALI PIRATES BUT THEY WILL NOT ALWAYS THE WHITE MAN DOING YOUR DIRTY JOB!!

More odious NONSENSE from soupist, Femme Schizo-bipolar Slyvia Europe Blyden, spokes 'woman' of the hand and limb chopping Sierra Leonean RUF.

This sordid personality would have been in the dock with Charles Taylor in the Hague, but for the intervention of Kofi Annan, the disgraced 'elder' from Ghana.

Nevertheless, more NONSENSE from the arch soupist obscurantist and an alleged accomplice to the hand and limb chopping of one year old of little babies starting on January 6, 1996 in Freetown.

Inter-African Relations Committee in the City of Harare, the city of African Pride.

Hollowjaw, all you ever do is come on here and say that the content of anyone who says anything against Mugabe is nonsense. Yet you have no argument to back up your comments. Its easy to simply come on here and say that peoples comments are nonsense. It takes an intelligent man to come on here and use logic and sensible argument to rebut another persons comments. But you never do it. You just come here and waste peoples time, make words up, and throw large words together in a vain attempt to sound intelligent. But in reality, you look like a fool. It really is quite sad, and extremely childish. Nonsense here, nonsense there. No one even cares what you say anymore because you never have anything constructive to say.

And you always go and make yourself look even more stupid by signing if with some childish piece about where you are from. It really is pathetic.

ICHO urikudya uchiguta you are the very Zanu PF officials stealing fertilizer and selling on parallel market. We know people who praise too much when there is nothing to praise are busy looting the resources of the country for their selfish benefits. You sloganeer Pamberi nemaguto yet you will be busy lining your pockets hapana chungatitaurire neZanu we know you guys.

THIS IS WHAT EUROPE AND THE STATES SHOULD DO NEXT TIME WHEN THERE IS A DISASTER ON THE AFRICAN CONTINENT-IGNORE THEM AND SEE WHETHER THEY LEADERS WILL ACT FAST -THESE AFRICANS BSE OF THE QUALITY OF THE LEADERS THEY HAVE JUST BECOME LIKE THEM!!!

Icho go back to your roots. your leaders should have meetings under a tree, not posh hotels, have red carpets on arrival, eat sleep like white men. between the superpowers the russians and chinese are the racist of them all - its all about what they can get out of you

at least Frazer is going out - leaving her job willingly -not like that COLD BLOODED MURDERER WHO DOES NOT WANT TO STAND DOWN

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Hollowjaw, all you ever do is come on here and say that the content of anyone who says anything against Mugabe is nonsense. Yet you have no argument to back up your comments. Its easy to simply come on here and say that peoples comments are nonsense. It takes an intelligent man to come on here and use logic and sensible argument to rebut another persons comments. But you never do it. You just come here and waste peoples time, make words up, and throw large words together in a vain attempt to sound intelligent. But in reality, you look like a fool. It really is quite sad, and extremely childish. Nonsense here, nonsense there. No one even cares what you say anymore because you never have anything constructive to say.

And you always go and make yourself look even more stupid by signing if with some childish piece about where you are from. It really is pathetic.

Chokora “No” to both of your questions. I happen to comment first because I am a Zimbabwean and am very concerned about the situation in our country. “Juvenile palaver”? Call it what you will. I wish those with what you call “enquiring minds” would get a bit more cultured by probing into the true history of the Liberation Struggle of Zimbabwe, from Mbuya NeHanda to the present , as I have done. When we helped RG Mugabe to flee to Mozambique we knew what the goal was. When we channeled the Mhondoro Spirits to guide the “vakomana ne vasikana in the bushes of Rhodesia, we knew what the goal was. When we saw every family offering dear ones to die for The Liberation of Zimbabwe we also knew what the goal was. When we see Zimbabweans suffering from hunger, disease, unemployment, terrorism from fellow Zimbabweans, we repentant that the Chimurenga has been aborted by servants of foreign exploiters, whether they maybe British, Arabs, Asians, Americans or even fellow Africans like SA and SADC. A true Mhondoro can still channel the messages of Mbuya NeHanda today and tell you that the Zimbabwe Struggle has been hijacked because the Zimbabweans are suffering as never before and have to go into exile inorder to survive. Mbuya NeHanda died at the hands of the foreign oppressors saying that her bones will never rott until we got our LAND back. By LAND she MEANT not just physical land but also freedom from fear, health, education, employment, prosperity, development etc. Mugabe did not only kill the true liberators of Zimbabwe, he has also pushed Zimbabwe back to pre-stone age! The Bantus of Zimbabwe were civilized long before Europe and America and could travel to and from space with Zvitundumuseremusere. Are your enquiring minds well vested in these issues or are they brainwashed by Western Education?

Hokoyo, thanks. It is just wonderful to read mature and well thought out posts such as yours. Great brother.

Hokoyo, the good people around the world want the same for the good people of Zim. mugabe and regime have robbed Zim of money worse than the Marcos's . If liberation and freedom is the goal then all the Good people of Zim should share in it and not a few like mugabe and regime do. My family donates money for the good people of Zim to survive, not for mugabe and regime to steal the money we give. I work hard for my money and have never been to Zim and none of my family have ever been to Zim, we donate and care because we want the good people of Zim to share in the good the world offers. It kills me inside to know that young kids die for no reason except the greed of mugabe and regime. If anyone thinks they don't explain why mugabe and regime live so well and have brand new cars and health lives when there countries kids are dieing for no reason! mugabe and regime are genocidal thieves that will go to court and be hanged, if the good people of the world have there voice!

Hey 'westie' , YOU and YOUR family care about Zimbabwean's ? What a joke! Send your well earned money to places like Gaza and Iraq where children are really getting killed. You guys really are the pitts! There are worse things happening in the world today than Zimbabwe!

nearly 2000 in Zimbabwe due to Cholera, 850 in Gaza. I think you need to recount. Are you saying its ok to kill people in Zim because more are being killed elsewhere? Disgusting.

Hey Mr Independent, do not run away from the main point,namely, our wish to know whether you support the long suffering palastines who are being wantonly slaughtered by the Jews who were slaughtered by the Europeans (1939-45) or are you are you in a cowardly neutral mood or whatever !???! Please, be man enough, tell us what you think of the on-going massacres in Gaza!!! In the meantime its true that we, in Great Zimbabwe,are in a mess, our mess. Soon we will be out of it but not the Palastines. How think you,sir???

Slightly off topic for discussions on Zimbabwe dont you think? But I will reply none the less. I think the loss of innocent life, be it Zimbabwe, Iraqi, Palestinian, Israeli or whoever, at the hands of fellow man is repulsive.

I think the Israeli response to the rocket attacks from Gaza is completely disproportionate and out of line. Unfortunately I cant begin to put myself into their minds as to be growing up living in fear like the palestinians and israelis to, must lead you to take acts which normal people would believe unthinkable.

Why cant we all get along?

Gaza for the gazans , Zimbabwe for the zimbabweans. don't try and divert attention to another part of the world, concentrate on sorting out your own house. Oh look I have a twig in my eye and you have a log in yours, you hypicrit. Put your own house in order first.

And so to you foreigners/non Zimbabweans like Independen, West, SieraLeoneboy, the Good Texanboy and others .... this chap thinks that your posts should all be about your own portion of the globe!!??? l have always welcomed constructive contributions from all, even Rhodies ... Whats wrong with that????

" l have always welcomed constructive contributions from all, even Rhodies ... Whats wrong with that????"

"constructive"?

"contribution"?

It depends on what side of that "constructive contribution" you are, vile rhodie.

For instance, the murderous invasion of Africa by whites, followed by their evil colonialism and satanic slavery were 'constructive contribution' to the prosperity of the west - if you are white. Of course that view was not shared by our numerous heroes including Lumumba, Mbuya Nehanda , the Kabaka, Nkrumah, Nasser, Nzigha, Mandela, Lobenguala, Shaka, Yaa Asantewa, Cleopatra, ... and the valiant mama warriors of Dahomey - defenders of Mother Africa - who were massacred by the French.

. And of course, the commandeering of the ancestral lands in Zimbabwe by whites and the planting of tobacco (or cancer agents) - even as the natives starve - were 'constructive contribution' to the riches and happiness of rhodies and their lazy monarchs.

Let me guess: There are those, like ex-US President Clinton, who would proudly maintain that the vile rat named Cecil Rhodes made a "constructive contribution" to the welfare of Africa and the Africans - by commandeering their lands, plundering their mineral wealth, raping and torturing the natives and killing the patriots who resisted his incursions and imposition on their way of life as they knew it.

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And the suffering and death of the people of Zimbabwe which is devastated by the economic sanctions imposed on the country by whites may be considered by Tsvangirai to be the 'constructive contribution' by whites towards achieving his ambition of strutting around as 'president'. The people of Zimbabwe encourage Tsvangirai to seek leadership among his friends and conspirators who love him, the British and the American.

Prime Minister Tsvangirai of UK, anyone? President Tsvangirai of USA and leader of a treasonous political party, anyone? He He.

Foreigners and their Tsvangirais talk their interests which in this case, are diversionary and not synonymous with the interests of the glorious people of Zimbabwe.

"And the suffering and death of the people of Zimbabwe which is devastated by the economic sanctions imposed on the country by whites" - Actually... now you have a black man to blame... Obama. See. its not a racial thing.

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I have been reading all this waffle about a witchdoctor and the land. Why has it been standing idle bsce of the greed of the TOP - it was not done properly

" .. Why has it been standing idle bsce of the greed of the TOP - it was not done properly .."

"standing"? Oh,my! Those lands in Zimbabwe ae sure strange.

For your information there is plenty of land "standing idle" in USA. Is it because of Bush's greed?

And there is land in UK standing idle too. Why don't your 'farmers' go to do their tobacco farming and knavery there? Aren't they clever and resourceful enough to get it done there?

Do you want to show the Americans how to do it properly? But don't think about it. Be advised: The Americans are not as patient as Cde Mugabe and the offspring of valiant Nehanda. So, better shelve any british plunderer-rapist-murderer-settler-farmer-inspired knavery designs you may have: 'cause you may just as soon be shot dead and THEN declared a SUSPECTED terrorist.

It seems as if the world, including those nice hypocrites at the white man's UN - are not bothered by the inconvenience of the slaughter of the innocents - if they are not white. And the preferred 'suspected terrorist' is the by-word. Sometimes, those to be declared 'suspected' terrorist - even including toddlers - are bombed or shot dead , at times from afar before they are seen or recognized or even proven to be terrorists.

And our pious UN and the Vatican and the churches and synagogues are unperturbed - until the other side kills our own under similar circumstance and same 'justification'. Then we loudly pontificate about morality, rule of law, respect for human life, democracy, crimes against humanity, ICC etc

Africa, those are the ways of the murderous, hypocrites - the cursed exterminators of human life on the world's continents.

You seem to know a lot about farming and world geography, maybe you should get on the land and help feed the starving millions with your great knowledge.

Exactly, well said.

" . .. I have been reading all this waffle about a witchdoctor and the land. .. "

Was anybody forcing you to read "waffle"?

What goes around comes around, beware South Africa. It will be your turn one day. South Africa is the one being intimidated by Mugabe. Just wait and see what is going to happen when MDC pulls out of the talks. The whole region is going to go down. South Africa has let the people of Zimbabwe down. Look at what ECOWAS has done with the situation in Guinea.

Mr Obie,shut up, we want what has taken place in Zimbabwe to creep across the border into South Africa and eventually right the wrongs of generations past and present.Why really is it that we seek peace at the expense of justice? Who,s afraid of similar situations where the stealing of local lands by thieving,racist and plundering aliens is eventually reverted?me not. And for all who care to listen this is just the beginning of restitution of justice,at all cost, justice first and then peace it,s so all over the world, why should Africa be different? It,s apparent that some don,t see beyond their nose,if so, why question the good intentions of the South African govt? only fools and anti Africans will align themselves in that pool of a sort.Besides, the situation in West Africa is under control and will be dealt with accordingly,the Guinean junta has been told in the clearest sense to pack up and leave,that has nothing to do with what,s happening in Zimbabwe,anyway, happy new year and we should re-orientate ourselves on issues African.Peace to those who seek peace, fire to burn those who don,t want peace.

So why doesn't all the tribes who exterminated the San and the Hottentots get back to central africa from where they came and repent of the actions of their forefathers who commited genocide and ethnic cleansing to take their lands. Get your history right . If not hold your tongue because you will be held accountable to God for your utterances. Think about getting on with others and building a better future for all. Thats what Jesus did.

More of the same: in fact, the eternal return of the same (Nietzsche)---funky NONSENSE from the West African soupist, femme Schizo-bipolar, many personalities in one Slyvia follow the money Blyden.

Committee on Moniker Detection and neurologically sired NONSENSE in the City of Stoic and African Ancestral Sobriety and Spiritual Equilibrium, HARARE.

Hollowjaw, all you ever do is come on here and say that the content of anyone who says anything against Mugabe is nonsense. Yet you have no argument to back up your comments. Its easy to simply come on here and say that peoples comments are nonsense. It takes an intelligent man to come on here and use logic and sensible argument to rebut another persons comments. But you never do it. You just come here and waste peoples time, make words up, and throw large words together in a vain attempt to sound intelligent. But in reality, you look like a fool. It really is quite sad, and extremely childish. Nonsense here, nonsense there. No one even cares what you say anymore because you never have anything constructive to say.

And you always go and make yourself look even more stupid by signing if with some childish piece about where you are from. It really is pathetic.

Esclating bovine claptrap from the rhodie wat.

The eternal return of nonsense from rhodie wat.

And, eternal obfuscatory verba from rhodie wat.

Pathetic rhodie wat; a rhodie beyond human all too human redemption.

Mano o mano.

The first word of the post supra should be "Escalating."

and once again you prove me right and show me again how pathetic you are.

PS Soupist still isnt a word! Even if you use it 100 times, it still wont be a word, and you still will look stupid using it!

Rafil, "fire to those who do not want peace"? So then it is fire to you.

Kjrs, to hell with your peace,we don,t want your kind of peace whereby the thieves become the victims.Restitution is going to take place whether you like it or not.Your thieving ancestors and now cousins in Zimbabwe thought that it,ll continue to be as it used to be,NO, restitution at all cost, even at the expense of peace. In the heat of the moment the racists are calling out for peace, none is calling out for JUSTICE.We repeat, Kjrs and his racist ilk, fire is coming to burn and decimate you for the crimes you and your arrogant and thieving ancestors committed against Africans,that fire is real and it,s coming fast,beware and be warned .We won,t turn the other cheek this time, we,ll reply Tenfold.

Kjrs, you should be ashamed of where you,re from, but instead still have the guts to come here preaching godliness and human rights.Your ancestors where the worst the world could ever think of,name it THUGS,RAPISTS,THIEVES,MURDERERS ,GENOCIDAL TYPES ,PLUNDERERS,LAND GRABBERS,PEDOPHILES, SLAVE TRADERS and a host of other heinous crimes and now you come here to pour shit out of your stinking brain, this time we,re ready for your type.

Rafil, is this where your people learnt it from? Seems like the ZANU PF learnt well doesnt it. THUGS,RAPISTS,THIEVES,MURDERERS ,GENOCIDAL TYPES ,PLUNDERERS,LAND GRABBERS...

People of Zimbabwe are still suffering under these very same crimes from the ZANU PF. I think you need to take a look at yourself as you are exactly the person you dispise so much. That must hurt. Being what you hate.

awt, Kjrs and their ilk can,t deny that their ancestors were propagators of the above listed heinous crimes, so that proves i,m not wrong after all.All we are saying is that you should not come preaching what you,re not, that only cast you in a more sinister role,even though we can,t be fooled as to who your sort really are.The above mentioned heinous crimes depict,s your type and the reason we have to stop you from further polluting the African continent.When coming you took along all you ills and now we are the worst for it.If you try accuse Z.A.N.U.-PF of these crimes you know that makes you an even more dangerous type to deal with hence our strict vigilance and subsequent uprooting of your types from our countries and continent.Shame on you once more and go hide if you have conscience.In Africa, your ancestors were inhuman and failed you,that you should worry about.

So by also not denying the above crimes, by your logic, that would make you also a "propogator of the above listed heinous crimes". You are not denying that the ZANU PF are doing exactly the same, so this makes you, as I stated in my previous post, exactly the person that you despise so much. You are all of those things. And your fellow Zimbabweans are the ones that are still suffering, not by the hand of the British, but by your own hand. Which is worse because you are hurting yourself. Thats just plain stupid!

For the record, my ancestors were on the other side of the world at the time, so nothing to do with me. There's my denial! Therefore it cant have been me and that, according to your logic enables me to preach what I am preaching.

And I, and many many many others accusse the barbaric ZANU PF of these crimes. That doesnt make me dangerous. Why is it dangerous to try and stop innocent Zimbabweans being beating up, abducted, tortured and murdered by their own government? Why is that dangerous? Because if you get found out you will lose your grip on power? And the money that comes with it? Is that why you think its dangerous? Bit selfish dont you think?

I have a conscience, and that is exactly why I am here. To stop people like you, those with NO conscience from doing exactly what you are doing to the people of Zimbabwe. The ZANU PF are listed as the 14th most corrupt government in the world. $7.3 million in aid gets stoled from the Global Fund. Money gets siphoned off by ministers left right and center. Soldiers beat up old ladies to steal thier maze. 2 year olds are beaten in custody. People are no longer innocent until proven guilty. You have a thug in power who is responsible for the slaughter of 20,000 Ndebele people, who lost an election and had to beat up his own people to keep his greedy hands on power. My ancestors never failed me. You are failing yourself and your fellow country man.

awt knows what i,m driving at but is reluctant to accept it, like the criminal he is.Your ancestors might be wherever they are but when these crimes where being hatched back in your motherland they did,nt protest or disapprove of it, on most occasions they even helped with financing and logistics buildup, hence, their guilt. Run as much as you want, hide you can,t your ancestors were part of the aforementioned, so go hide your face in shame.Your comments to this forum proves that you must have come from such a tree of barbarians out to devour Africa and it,s people of their properties.Go hang,that,s what suit,s you,no apologies.For your information, stop wasting your time restitution is here to stay.

My ancestors were too busy beating the english in NZ to worry about some useless zimbos at the time. And if your restitution is here to stay, how many more 2 year olds will get beaten by your police under this retitution? Why do you support and condone this barbaric behavior? You disgust me!

Awt, great posting.

Hey, rafil, as an African it is a good thing to abhor all the wrongs that my "ancestors" did. Unfortunately the difference between you and I is that I can see the wrongs that not only have been done in the past, but what are being done presently by others And myself included, but YOU can only see what has been done and what is being done by OTHERS only. What a perfect person you are! Another thing, where is your pride man? You always portray your ancestors as just push-overs and weaklings who did nothing against the British. Just as Awt's ancestors were busy fighting to rid themselves of the British, your ancestors gathered their impis and fought like the warriors they were, killing many British men. Your ancestors only lost because they were at a weaponry disadvantage. My advice to you therefore is for you to go and tell Mugabe to stop being a copy-cat of my "ancestors." Go up to him and say "Hey chicken shit, stop copying the ancestors of kjrs120. Stop looting Zimbabwe, murdering and starving its citizens and totally destroying the country. All of us Zanu-pf are greedy morons, stealing land from the masses and even going as far as beating two year olds and stealing food from their mouths donated to them." After that then send me that "fire" you promised me otherwise you are just another brainwashed empty vessel clanging noise.

If you think that Mugabe did as much as your ancestors from Europe did(crime wise) you got it wrong,Mugabe has never been and can,t surppass what invading Europeans did in Africa.Yes it,s true my ancestors were not weaklings and they,ll never be,they where only overpowered by superior firepower from a crazy and thieving gang of bandits from Europe,but mind you, we,re in a new day and time,firepower,you still have but it,ll be different this time.We are surely going to remember the past to put us in a better position for now and the future,all your ranting about the past can,t stop us from reflecting on it:We are lucky to be this brainwashed into knowing where we are coming from and knowing our enemies,that,s indeed a good form of brainwashed education and we,ll pass it around as quickly as possible.You ( Kjrs) are not Zimbabwean, leave Zimbabwe alone and go concentrate on your life,restitution is a foregone issue and all your rantings won,t change that fact,after all, according to you and your ilk, it,s a poor country.

You post disgusting stuff in here and by the way, we don,t ever believe you are an indigene of N Z because if you are it,ll reflect in what you write.What makes you so crazy about Zimbabwe,don,t you have something else to do instead of wasting precious time fighting over a lost cause? your lot left their original homestead with all the bad behaviour one can think of and have polluted N Z with criminal and racists activities.There is nothing to be gotten from Zimbabwe,leave her alone and go concentrate fully on your NZ. Since you know nothing about why Zimbabwe is in turmoil, simply forget about the topic and go rest, disgusting fellow.You poke your nose everywhere, even when you,re not invited,be ashamed of your past and go atone for the sins of your ancestors. Barbarians all.

rafil, you seem to know nothing about New Zealand also. I was just wondering why you didnt answer my question...Incase you missed it, here it is again.. "If your restitution is here to stay, how many more 2 year olds will get beaten by your police under this restitution? Why do you support and condone this barbaric behavior?

I await your response.

People,people, 'Mr Independent' is NOT the New Zealand Moari he claims to be. No non-Zimbabwean can have so much to say about the situation. This guy is relentless. I bet he is a low life rhodie. So indie am i right or am i RIGHT?

Kube, I dont really care if you believe my Maori heritage or not. But either way, you are on Maori land, and I want my birthright back. This Maori land that you own in New Zealand is land that you have clearly taken from my ancestors and I want it back. Same rules that you apply to Zim should also apply to New Zealand right? Its a bit hypocritical to believe otherwise right?

We have noticed the antics of this rhodie totally consumed with desperation .... (see my comment below)

The desperation is evident.

The cursed blood-lust is also evident: Someone must die. The native must die - slow, excruciating. Much like the terrorist rat Cecil Rhodes bidding his time - hideously feral and gloating all the while - as Chief Lobengula's amaNdebele succumb and die from the small-pox he injected into the society. Reason: He wants their ancestral lands and their mineral wealth. And their cows. And their women too. For the kingdom of england.

So, the rhodie creep here bids his time gloatingly as the people of Zimbabwe starve and die as a result of the economic sanctions imposed by his whites - hoping that, like his Cecil Rhodes, he and his cursed foreign brood will finally saunter back into Zimbabwe and commandeer - AGAIN - the farms and the mineral wealth of the maZimbabwe. And denigrate, rape, torture and kill the native.

The british empire rides supreme! he chortles in his joy. The vision of it sends a thrill of sheer evil down the rhodie's spine and into his twitching tail.

Chokora, still waiting for your evidence that nearly 1 million children were raped in the UK last year... or did you lie through your teeth when you said that? So pathetic its not funny.

===off topic, maybe

So, those seditious saboteurs in cozy detention in Zimbabwe are complaining about being detained. And they imagine that they have been tortured. Really!

They should be reminded that Zimbabwe is a democracy. And that democracies have a way of dealing with those who present a danger to their national security.

They should be cautioned that they have experienced nothing yet. They should expect more - from the citizens of the democracy of the glorious people of maZimbabwe.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1071284,00.html

Ever wondered why Zim started going down the pan? It was when the national anthem was changed. Remember Ishe Komberera Africa. God bless Africa. When God gets written out of the equation, expect Satan to get in in a big way. Satan wants everyone fighting with one another and that is what is happening. Instead of everyone getting on with loving each other as true followers of Him, everyone is tearing at one another. Satan wins the battle again. There is only one way and that is Jesus' way. He said ," I am the way , the truth and the Life, no-one comes to father except through me." True love is where you lay down your life for those you do not know so they can be free. Jesus did that for all of us. God cries when He sees all this hatred in the world He created. Man has his own choice ,we are not pre programmed robots.Jesus love reigns supreme.

" .. Ever wondered why Zim started going down the pan? .."

My suspicion is that you haven't heard that the USA , the EU countries are undergoing a severe economic recesion and the worst financial metdown anyone remembers.

Ever wondered why the west started going down the pan?

But the west will recover and be strong in no time. Its not the first time the west is in a recession, and it surely wont be the last. The point is, that I would much rather be in the west in the worst of the worst of hte worst of recessions than be in Zimbabwe now. Look at it! Its a shit hole!

"Look at (USA in recession)! Its a shit hole!"

"Look at (UK in recession)! Its a shit hole!"

You said it.

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"But the west will recover and be strong in no time."

And if Pres Obama lifts the economic sanctions, Zimbabwe it will recover in no time.

But you are praying fervently that he does not do that at least not any time soon, right treacherous rhodie?

Choko, you say that I said that "Look at (USA in recession)! Its a shit hole!" "Look at (UK in recession)! Its a shit hole!"

Its clear to all that you have misquoted me. I said that Zimbabwe is a shit hole. And it is. Look at it. Come visit Harare and get some Cholera.

I am by no means a rhodie. Its funny though, anyone that critisises Mugabe, by your illogical brain, has to be rhodesian. you need to wake up and see that the majority of the world thinks that Mugabe is a disgrace. Its only those on his corrupt payrole that fell differently.

So... economic santions... can you be more specific please? Also... those raped children in the UK. What were you thinking!

Amen brother.

The "Amen brother" was meant for Zola who hit the nail on the head when they said 'When God gets written out of the equation, expect satan to get in in a big way." Mugabe and his Zanu-pf are sure proof of that.