Cape Argus (Cape Town)
14 March 2009
Forced political exile has made many once-powerful dictators idle and impoverished. But not Mengistu Haile Mariam.
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Mengistu may think he has dodged justice for the crimes he committed against millions poor Ethiopian and Eritrean people. However he was not the only guilty party, those who arranged his escape including the present government in Ethiopia and his hosts in Zimbague are equally guilty of the blood shades that stained the country for 17 years under his leadership. All of them are suffering from mental tortures of their own consciousness alive and they will be thrown in to the ashes of history. If you have to go every where and sleep under security guards whether in prison or palace, that is not freedom. You are a prisoner of your own conscious till the day you die. It is better to be poor and be free and breeze freely.
Mengistu may think he has dodged justice for the crimes he committed against millions poor Ethiopian and Eritrean people. However he was not the only guilty party, those who arranged his escape including the present government in Ethiopia and his hosts in Zimbague are equally guilty of the blood shades that stained the country for 17 years under his leadership. All of them are suffering from mental tortures of their own consciousness alive and they will be thrown in to the ashes of history. If you have to go every where and sleep under security guards whether in prison or palace, that is not freedom. You are a prisoner of your own conscious till the day you die. It is better to be poor and be free and breeze freely.
well; while you may have a point about Mugabe´s decision to grant Mengistu asylum is not in the benefit of ordinary Zimbabweans...you missed a point in understanding WHY??..Mengistu and Robert (Mugabe )are old "brothers" in the libration struggle that gave birth to "INDEPENDENCE".....Mengistu has helped Zimbabwe in training and arming liberation fighters ...that is the reason why Mugabe feels he can not abandon an old "comrade"in need of shelter to his "fate".
ZOLA, he bought the land. He was the President of a country and did earn a wage so couldn't he buy land in Zimbabwe ? He also helped Zimbabwe during our struggle. As did China, Russia, Zambia,Mozambique, Korea and a few others. Where was your great U.S.A and U.K ? They did not want to know. They also deemed the A.N.C a terrorist group whose leader is now worshiped by these very people. Dont be suprized if Bin Laden comes back and does business with them. THEY ARE THE MOST TWO FACED PEOPLES ON THIS EARTH and that is where ALL the problems in the world start !
Isn't Bin Laden already Mugabe's "Pal"? that may mean he can't be a friend of the "West".
Kubatana, you blimen hypercrite and racist. If it ok for Mengistu then why isn't ok for white farmers to have land. You have shot yourself in the foot again. Mengistu is known as a dictator of the worst type. look at Ethiopia now it is flourishing big time.
ZOLA, the white man cannot have Zimbabwean land because he did not buy it to start off with - HE STOLE IT ! Why do we have to go over these issues again ? Why can't you just admit that your rhodie 'bass' stole the land from the Black men? Don't be so thick man !
So Kub, what about the land which the white man bought after 1980 or even 1990.? Oh by the way, aren't you better than the White Rhodie Baaaaa's to show the world that you can run a veery goood couuntry. So you think the way forward is to do to the white man what the white man did to you. I thought that you were better than that.
Kubatana, there you guys go zigzagging all over the place and not giving Zola a straight answer. What you are saying then is that just because Mengistu helped his fellow murderer Mugabe, he has more rights to citizenship than those born in your country? Even rights to farmlands and other real estate? Do you not have concrete laws that govern citizenship? Oh I forgot. Not surprising as all laws are at Mugabe's whim.
Kjrs120,
A straight answer for you and Zungairwa is that armed robbers have no right to property they violently grab from an innocent and peace loving person at gun point. Their appropriate place is in jail.
Citizens of Zimbabwe are fully aware of the laws pertaining to citizenship, especially those who imposed themselves. Those who do not want to follow the law, like your friend Zungairwa, are the ones we hear cryig foul everyday and yet the law is very clear.
takunya, by your own words, |Mengistu should be kicked out of Zimbabwe to face trial for the genocide and ethnic cleansing in Ethiopia. You love this man. Thought you said you were a Christian. You talk about death all the time. At gun point he says, like all the people to vote zanupf at the end of a barrel of a gun. You have no right to say to a person born and bred to Zimbabwean parents, to say that they are no citizens. Why has Mengistus brats been given zimbabwean citizenship? Bloody dictators flock together.Bet you've never heard of International law which Zimbabwe has signed up to under the UN charter.
Zungairwa,
Being a Christian does not mean I should pray for the death of those I do not agree with like you do. I do not even have to wish for your death although you have on several occasions prayed for the death of my President.
It is you, Desmond Tutu, John Santamu, Pius Ncube, Chari, Chachacha, Prem, Awt, and many others who have prayed publicly for President Mugabe's death. Tutu has even tried the route of hunger strike but it did not help. John Santamu publicly cut his color into pieces but it also is not helping.
The reason is that all your prayers are not Godly and are, thus, mhepo yenyika and will never be answered by Almighty God. Everybody has his time and GOD decides on that time, not you!!!
takunya, maybe you should read all my posts again. I have never said anything about praying for Robert Mugabe's death. I have prayed for his salvation, big difference. No decent Christian prays for someones death. Jesus gives life, Christians bring life. You on the other hand like they way how ZanuPF have destroyrd the country, If Zimbabwe is not destroyed then why does our country need so much help. Open your eyes. Mengestu has so much blood on his hands. But I would rather see him in heaven than hell. That is his choice were he decides to spend eternity.
So takunya what does the law clearly say about Zimbabwean citizenship? You are so right when you say, "that armed robbers have no right to property they violently grabbed from an innocent and peace loving person at gunpoint." If you know this then why did you do just that to the Zimbabwean white farmers? In your own words regarding the robbers "the appropriate place is in jail". So why is Mugabe not in jail? You failed to respond to Zola's question regarding those farmers having paid for the farms, so no bullshit about any "stolen land." Respond to my questions.
KJRS, it is only obvious with these bozo's, that they only think of themselves at every turn, when the boot is on the other foot all they can do is cry the rule of law, the rule of law. But when they do the same thing to the impoverished masses they are in a league all by themselves and think they are the law. It's called the law of the jungle, I have a gun and i will use it to quell the mass uprising , they say. Takunya and co can never answer any question honestly because they do not have a conscience to talk of.
KJRS, you must be really thick ! What did i just say about the land ? Go and read the true history of Zimbabwe - your poofter God rhodies STOLE THE LAND and GAVE IT to his iegall white army because he did not have money to pay them. Try and watch the B.B.C mini series 'rhodies of Africa' and see what happened. THEY STOLE THE LAND !
Kub, If you want to call me a poofter , I can take that, for your own sake never ever say that about God. After 1890 when the pioneer column went into Zim, yes the land was divided up amongst the white man, because of the Rudd conscesion with Lobengula. It was Lobengula who gave the white man the right to the rest of the country to use. Our fore fathers as you have said took the land off the san, The white man obtained the land from Lobengula, even though it looked very suspect, because as you know how can Lobengula be able to know what he was signing when he didn't know how to read and write. fair point. Now , how is throwing the farmers off the land productive. Why not say to these "invaders", you will teach more of the povo to farm in the correct fashion and you must pay them more, that would of made the white man think of what their forefathers did to pay "reporations" for their actions. The president would of been reveared as a mighty man by all blacks and the country would not be in the mess it is in now. That would of been the better way, with no deaths, no starvation, no job losses and the country would not of needed the western aid. Mengistu should not be allowed to reside in Zimbabwe on the Zimbabwe taxpayer and be given farms in any form. Why have mengistu's children been made zimbabwean citizens? what is their right to citizenship?
ZOLA, i don't think i called you a ' POOFTER ' so try reading the post again. I am fully aware that you are intellectually challenged and very slow. No my friend you are NOT a POOFTER you are much WORSE !
Sorry Kub, but when you insult God you insult me as well. Like me saying that your earthly father is an A********le, you get upset and feel angry. So I am worse than a poofter. You at this moment in time not going to heavan so that means you are of the devil. Sorry you loose again.
Zungairwa,
So, Heaven now belongs to Zungairwa who can decide who enters and who does not? This is typical of Satan's angels; they threaten people with none-entrance to a none-existent Heaven when they themselves know that they will burn in Hell.
People are allowed to say what they want about God, if you did not know. The only God that does not tolerate insults is the earthly god (Satan) worshiped by Zungairwa, this is why angel Zungairwa immediately raises the issue of going to hell as if he knows anything about what goes on after we all die on this earth. This is also why he (Zungairwa) can pray for a person’s death as he has done on many occasions.
We should all ignore this rascal, this Satan walking on his two feet, as he does not know what he is talking about. Entering the Kingdom of Almighty is only by His Grace and nothing else; not even pretending to love God will earn one a place in Heaven.
What an Idiot you are tachiometre, It is the way by the blood of Jesus which determines who gets into heaven. You as a " christian" should realise that. You can say what you want, your choice, and if you think God tolerates people blaspheming his name , then read the Bible again, original translation from the greek. Those who blaspheme God will not get into heaven unless they repent and come by the way of the cross of calvery. Remember this it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to get into heaven. Don't know how to get into heaven, then read John 3.If one does not repent of their sins, then they do not get into heaven. End of story and if you don't like it then take it up with God. I would love to see you, Bob Mengistu and everyone else in heaven. You choose.
takunya, you talk of "none-entrance to a none- existent heaven" but then you again talk of being able to enter heaven by God's Grace. How can there be no heaven one minute and then be a heaven the next? Magic?
kjrs120,
So, it is true then that you did not understand my post. Satan has no Heaven, all he has is Hell. Zungairwa wants us all to join his little god (Satan) in a none-existent Heaven and we are refusing. Anybody who prays for the death of another person or who rejoices at the suffering of another person, however guilt they think that person is, is an angel of Satan and will NOT enter the kingdom of GOD. Period!!!
Tak, where do you get the idea that i pray for peoples death. If you don't die to yourself, then the spirit of Jesus Christ cannot enter you. Take the boulder out of your eye before trying to get the speck out of mine. Have you been to your pastor yet?
KJRS, I'll put it to you this way, Takiometre's heaven is actually hell. He thinks all religions are made by God, So according to Taki, satinism, Voodooism, Paginism would get you into heaven.
Takunya, I just really LOVE one of your paragraphs. Quote: " Anybody who prays for the death of another person, or who rejoices at the suffering of another person, however guilty they think that person is, is an angel of Satan and will NOT enter the kingdom of Heaven." Wow ! You have just proved Zola SO right in what he has been saying all along. YOU Takunya, how much remorse or empathy do you feel for ALL the Zimbabweans killed at the hands of you ZANU- PF and Mugabe? How much concern do you have for those White farmers as human beings being beaten and shoved around ( " however guilty they think that person is") What is your concern about those Zimbabweans who have fled their mother country because of you and the tyranny of Mugabe that you support? What about your practice of falanga on MDC supporters where these people are so badly tortured they lose the entire surface of the souls of their feet? You absolutely REJOICE at the suffering of others. You torture, are murderers, thieves, and liars and you think I will be a sucker for your bullshit just because you write about a good way to live by but which you do not aspire to. If what you have stated in your own paragraph is anything to go by, then YOU, Mugabe and all your bangshoot will NEVER enter heaven. In your own words, you belong to satan.
Kjrs120,
I feel for any innocent person who suffers at the hands of another person. I am concerned about any death that occurs to a Zimbabwean in particular or any other person for that matter. I will never rejoice seeing someone suffering. I am not like Zungairwa!!
However, there is a vast difference between those who invite suffering to themselves in order to get sympathy from the axis-of-evil and those who are made to suffer for no reason. White farmers are inviting the suffering to themselves and so I do not sympathize with them at all.
The land they are illegally occupying was legally acquired by govt but they choose to flout the law of the land. This land was forcibly taken away from the black people of Zimbabwe and when the govt tries to redress the situation in an orderly manner they resist.
That, I will never sympathize with, no matter what! They spread the propaganda that there are farm invasions when it is the law enforcement agents, accompanying officials from the Ministry of Lands, who are involved in the evictions. They should just vacate those farms; I will never sympathize with them.
Most of them have more than one farm, each measuring more than a thousand hectares but they still do not want to share with other Zimbabweans. What kind of people are they? The white farmers who have agreed to share the Zimbabwean cake with others are farming peacefully. What is so special about the few loud-mouthed racists who are demonizing the country which they purport to love? They should be remorseful for having acquired the land through conquest and racism?
As for the propaganda that Zanu-pf has killed MDC people, well, it is just what it is - propaganda. I do not buy that!! If two people, who happen to be from opposing parties (MDC and Zanu-pf in this case) fight over a prostitute and one is killed, can that be attributed to the party the killer belongs to. A big NO!!
There is need to separate between sanctioned political violence and that which is not sanctioned. Zanu-pf, for one, has never, repeat NEVER sanctioned political violence. What does the revolutionary party gain from violence, if not widening the gap between it and the masses of the people?
The reason why Zanu-pf, despite the suffering caused by western sanctions, which were campaigned for by the MDC, managed to win all those seats in both Houses and received majority vote overall, is because of its closeness to the people and not through force.
Zanu-pf uses strategic mass mobilization which was successfully employed during the 27 June Presidential re-run. If, during those campaigns, anyone became overzealous and beat up innocent people then that was wrong but it did not mean that s/he had the blessing of the revolutionary party leadership.
Similarly, there are Zanu-pf cadres who are being beaten, maimed and killed by MDC thugs as I write this post. Not all of these should be attributed to MDC because the party leadership may not have sanctioned it. But where a whole MP is directly involved, we start questioning the sincerity of MDC's commitment to fighting violence, and eradicating polarization. Anyone who is aggrieved should report the matter to the police instead of taking the law into their own hands.
I will, therefore, sympathize with those who are for peace, who want to promote unity of the people of Zimbabwe and those who want to eradicate polarization.
A majority of the people you say fled the country are just con-persons who should actually be brought to justice for spreading lies in the countries they went to. Britain has since realized the criminality of these people and is deporting them. Some went to Britain on Malawian, Mozambican, Zambian and South African passports but have since been exposed. They cannot claim to have fled persecution in Zimbabwe, they are criminals. PERIOD!!!
Takunya, Have you been to see your pastor yet? What church do you go to. All these things you post here reguarding what you call religion, back it up with scripture from the Bible, If not then Shut up because you are digging yourself deeper. mengestu a good guy? Speak to the Ethiopians. Still waiting for you to show me where i have said that i pray for peoples deaths? go on show me. What was one of the commandments? Thou shalt not lie.
kjrs, nobody has stopped the white from becoming a citizen (You lying again) What we are saying is that you whites did not buy the land - you STOLE IT and we want it back. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT !
Kub, if you wanted the land back, then why didn't you guys show that you were better than the " Invading whiteman" by taking it through the courts which would show that you had grown up and do everything in a law abiding way. By attacking the "white settlers" shows that you are just as bad, I thought you proclaimed to be better than that but obviously you have learnt nothing from History.
zola, what do you think we did regarding the land ? We have been trying to get it legally for years and that never happened. We have tried to reconcile with the whites for years and that never happened. All they did was play their stupid rhodesia days non-sense so we had to TAKE THE LAND. Zimbabwean's are not violent people anyway and any violence was started by the rhodie. The very large majority of Black Zimbabwean's and Countries want to see this new joint government to work but you , the rhodie and other puppets don't want it to work. So how do you expect us to treat you ? I'm sure if Jesus were here today he would say "GIVE THEM THEIR LAND" IT IS OUR LAND - GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON !
Kub, you did not want to go through the courts because you new darn well that what you were doing was illegal.If you want justice, you work through the courts, period. Zimbabweans are not violent people, So that means zanuPF is not Zimbabwe, what about all the people that have beaten up, murdered , raped. What a hypocrite you are. Get your facts strieght. Work it out. You say that you are better than the Rhodies, then why are you doing worse than what the Rhodies did to you. What have you learnt? You are extemely slow on the uptake.Reconcilliation can take many genorations.Stop being so foolish.
Zungairwa,
How can repossessing what was stolen from one's ancestors be said to be illegal. We do not need to be better or worse than invaders because what we are doing is taking what rightfully belongs to us. PERIOD!! You can say what you want but nothing will change, our land is our land and will NEVER be a Whiteman’s land. PERIOD!! Furthermore, we will not be dissuaded from repossessing our stolen LAND and will not be destructed from that path.
So takiometre, you don't want to give the stolen land which you stole from the san back . Shame on you, You should apologise to them. You keep on going on about periods, what is it, is it that time of month for you?
Zungairwa,
It is good that you bring up the issue of the so-called San people. Who are these people you refer to as San? Where are they and where did they come from in relation to me? Could you also tell me what difference you can pick that will enable you separate a so-called San from a black Zimbabwean, black South African, black Mozambican, etc. So-called San people are black Africans, I am a black African.
What you are doing is like trying to separate Jews from Arabs saying that they are not one people and yet they are from the same tree. Do they both not trace their ancestry to Abraham? Do they not share the same religion and pray to the same God? Is Jerusalem not claimed by both groups as their religious centre and capital? So what is the difference between me and a San man? Typical of divide-and-rule tactics!!!
So Tak, if we go back further, back to adam and eve, Guess what you are my very distant brother wether you like it or not. Welcome brother come and give me a big hug. we are all related, one big happy family, so why do you throw your own brothers off the land of Zimbabwe?You should of greeted them with open arms and killed the fatted calf and threw a great big party.
Zungairwa,
The Whiteman's book portrays Adam and Eve as White and originating from some place in Europe or the Middle East. I am not from the Whiteman's tree, not from Europe or the Middle East; I am black and originating from the mother continent - Africa.
Trace the ancestry from Adam to Noah to Abraham to Isaac, to Jacob to the Twelve down to Moses – Joshua – Caleb – Eria – Jesus – Peter and Paul and up to the present generation coming out of that linage that colonized me. Do you see me there? Not at all!!
You are only my brother to the extent that we are all human beings, created by the same GOD but not blood brothers. The San and I have the same blood and the tree is one. I am closer to the San, blood wise, than I am to you.
Hey Takunya, What did Jeus say. Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who have trespassed against us. If you don't forgive the invaders, guess what, God won't forgive you. Call yourself a Christian and you don't even know the fundementals. Answer this, How would Mengestu go to heaven, or Ian Smith or Robert Mugabe? How does anyone get into heaven? I personally want to see everyone in heaven, I weep for those who choose to go to Hell.
Takunya, Read the Bible again. Look at the account of Noah's flood. The colour of peoples skin comes from his three sons, Shem , Ham and Japeth. You look but don't see, you listen but you do not hear, You have a true hatred for white people. The Whitemans Tree? Joke ha ha, what a laugh. Get down on your knees and repent you sinner, and ask God to work in Mengistu's life. If mengestu doesn't die to himself then he doesn't rise in a new life in Christ. remember Christ was a Jew the one true Son Of God. All others are adopted into the family of Christ.
I think if Jesus was really in Zimbabwe he would tell Grace Mugabe: "Look, the hole in your hand is even bigger than in mine".
You are a useless animal that thinks that by throwing white people off the lands they legally bought you will be rich. Unfortunately as you are totaly intellectually challenged you will only succed in causing misery and starvation. Congratualtions.
When the natives were evicted from their ancestral lands at the onset of the dark chapter of European colonialism and slavery in Africa, it didn't matter that they were native to the lands or they "bought" lands or that they "rightfully owned" the wealth on and under their lands. They had to vacate - violently.
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When the natives were evicted from their ancestral lands at the onset of the dark chapter of European colonialism and slavery in North America, it didn't matter that they were native to the lands or they "bought" lands or that they "rightfully owned" the wealth on and under their lands. They had to vacate - violently.
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When the natives - including those of the advanced civilizations of the Incas and Aztecs - were evicted from their ancestral lands at the onset of the dark chapter of European colonialism and slavery in South America, it didn't matter that they were native to the lands or they "bought" lands or that they "rightfully owned" the wealth on and under their lands. They had to vacate - violently.
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When the time came for the romans to be evicted from the islands known as UK at the end of the Roman empire there, it didn't matter that they were "citizens" or they "bought" land or "occupied" 'empty' land. They had to vacate - violently.
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When the Germans were evicted from the most of Europe at the end of the World War 2, it didn't matter that they were "citizens" or they "bought" the lands and other precious or "claimed" unclaimed assets in the European countries. They had to vacate - violently. [Multitudes of Germans were shipped to England as slaves. Yes, England of the rhodies.]
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When the natives were evicted from their ancestral lands at the onset of the dark chapter of European colonialism and slavery in Australia, New Zealand, the Caribbeans and Pacific Islands, it didn't matter that they were native to the lands or they "bought" lands or that they "rightfully owned" the wealth on and under their lands. They had to vacate - violently.
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Now, do you get the drift of history?
Do Africans appreciate the nature and 'mode of operation' of the pathological exterminator extraordinaire who they deal with?
Do the rhodies in Africa appreciate how history unfolds?
Of course they do .. but the vile pathological exterminator extraordinaire fervently beseech their murderous gods that they will be spared their own bitter medicine (- even as they dish out that medicine to others ..)
Of course the rhodie doesn't think much of the intelligence of barbarians ...
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Indeed had the other side turned victorious in WW2, the kids in UK would be taught a different version of history; and sing their praises to different heroes; and Winston Churchill would be history's vile villain.
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For it has been said that to the victor goes the spoils. And that is what the whites pursue in Iraq and Afghanistan ( and Haiti and Grenada and Panama and Chile and Colombia and Vietnam and China and .. Generally, to the north, south, east, west and unto the cannibalization of their own.)
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The fundamental problem here for Mother Africa's the African Child is that the following chapter is yet to be finalized even as time runs out:
""When the time came for the Europeans to be evicted from the continent of Africa at the end of centuries of European colonialism and slavery there, it didn't matter that they were "citizens" or they "bought" the ancestral lands or "occupied" 'empty' ancestral lands or that they had claimed 'free' assets or that they "rightfully owned" the wealth on and under the lands they had commandeered from the natives. They had to ... .""
Chokora, even at a quick glance, I noted a number of errors on your history. Because I don't care about what happened donkey years ago because it is past and there is nothing I can do about it anyway, I am interested in knowing about what is happening to people right now. 1. Why did Mugabe accept payment for land from the white farmers if they were persona non grata? 2. Why were they given Zimbabwean citizenship if persona non grata either a) through birth b) through forceful denouncing of their ancestry. 3. Why did Mugabe even go as far as making the Lancaster House agreement and accepting the installment payments for these farmers if they were not supposed to be there in the first place? It had nothing to do with " taking back of any land." It had everything to do with a cover up of a major theft by Mugabe. He stole that Lancaster House agreement installment which made the British government to stop sending Mugabe any more money. To cover up his theft from the Zimbabwean people, Mugabe raved and ranted about the British making them look as though they failed their obligation knowing full well that he was the bloody thief. He found a great chance to take away the farms for his greedy self and distribute them to his Zanu-PF and friends only for the farms to lie there as trophies. All this savagery against the Zimbabwean white farmers has nothing to do with their ancestry. It has everything to do with Mugabe's greed and a cover-up for all the shit he has done to Zimbabwe. So chokora, to prove me wrong, please answer my 3 questions.
Kjrs120,
No invader paid for the land they occupied. After independence whites gave farms to each other and there was no money involved. Those who purport to have bought land are just daylight thieves who should be brought to justice. When and to whom did they pay the money for the farms? Prove to us here that such and such a farmer bought land on such and such a day and from such and such a person.
Instead of just holding on the land they had stolen from our ancestors, they went on to grab state land and fraudulently obtained title to such land. Some of them were just manager for absentee land lords but they made it appear as if the land was theirs. They are criminals. Period!!!
As for citizenship, it is important to educate you that no one, not even off springs of invaders are denied Zimbabwean citizenship if they want it. All that is required is to follow the law and the law is very clear on such people. They know what to do and are doing it. As a foreigner you have nothing to do with what our laws say about citizenship.
The Lancaster House Constitution was your document and not ours. It was also imposed on us by your kith and kin in an attempt to protect ill-gotten wealth. Like sheep we followed what the document was saying so that you would not turn around and accuse us of flouting the law (your law).
We are now able to stand on our own two feet and so are demanding what rightfully belongs to us. ZIMBABWE WILL NEVER BE A COLONY AGAIN!
TAKUNYA, well said brother. These clowns will never get it !
Kub, takunya is your brother, how do you work that one out, takunya says he's a Christian, so how can a Christian love the devil as His brother. Let the circus commence.
Zungairwa,
The mistake you continually make is to continually believe that only Christians will go to Heaven and that any other religion on this earth is or was a creation of Satan. All religions on this earth were created by GOD in the same way that He created different races and placed them in different places. Had it not been for the greedy of some races, we would all be living in harmony in our naturalized and God given lands.
There is, therefore, no religion that is perfect before GOD. For one, Christianity is going against GOD's teachings by ordaining gay priests and bishops. You have been know to support and encourage homosexuality although, in the eyes of GOD, it is abhorrent and punishable by death, before even one goes to Heaven (Sodom and Gomorrah are cases in point).
Most Christians worship wealth instead of God. Christians have committed the worst atrocities on this earth, starting with barbarism, slavery, colonialism, and what have you. Today children, mothers, and old people are dying in their millions in Gaza, Iraq and Afghanistan because they are not Christians. And you tell me that people like you who pray for the death of other people and those who are committing these atrocities will go to Heaven? You are joking.
Read the Bible again Tak, Jesus said, " I am the way, the truth and the life, no man shall come unto the father except through me. " Starting to understand now, no i thought not. Just because you stand in an airport doesn't mean that you are an aeroplane. Just because someone who goes to church doesn't mean that they are a christian, just because a hindu goes to a temple doesn't mean they are a hindu, Just because a Muslim goes to a mosque doesn't mean they are a Muslim. You are very misguided, what church do you go to which doesn't teach the word of God. If I was you , I would go and find the bloke who taught you these things and ask him to explain his faith.
" .. Prove to us here that such and such a farmer bought land on such and such a day and from such and such a person. .. "
That may be a moot point.
Civilized societies have qualms about the acquisition of commandeered or stolen merchandise - and that uneasiness is reflected in their (legal) practices. A buyer may not be free and clear if the merchandise is "hot"/stolen - whether he claims to know the status of the items or not.
Indeed, we don't want a Frenchman going around UK killing off the limey landowners - if there are any left - and selling off or giving away the lands to his french countrymen - thus making the froggies the new 'legal' owners, do we? It can't happen, so you say, because there are ownership practices in place in UK. Aha!
So you say, the claim of ownership by the natives to their ancestral wealth no longer held in the new regime - after the invasion of their lands by the foreign plague. And the rhodies put in place their laws to reflect the new reality.
[And in that legal reality, some humans were declared property to be traded, used and disposed of like any other .. And the likes of rhodes and De Beers found and maintained an inexhaustible supply of starved slave labor ...]
OK. Then the glorious natives of maZimbabwe overthrew the hagy queen's limey vermin from the lands of Zimbabwe.
Do the limey 'claims' still hold - in the new era of Chimurenga?
So, why - after the people's Chimurenga overthrew the rhodie parasites - would Zimbabweans STILL recognize UK's colonial 'ownership' practices in Zimbabwe? Fear? No: The people's Chimurenga knows no fear of the foreign vermin.
Men of goodwill the world over wonder why the people of Zimbabwe would pay a dime for the lands that were commandeered at gunpoint from their murdered ancestors. Shouldn't the rhodie Bennett be eternally grateful that he still has a live skin on his carcass?
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One may also note that the issue of centuries of Europe's plunder of Africa's mineral resources is yet to be addresses - and the necessary reparations/ retribution/ restitution exacted. And some companies like De Beers are adept at erasing the audit trail of the loot. But Africans can pursue it using the tools and dedication as the foreigners pursue the wealth of terrorists (rhodies) - and their supporters (IMF/WB/EU countries).
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Takunya and chokora, you two show such incredible ignorance about issues, I don't even know which one of you to straighten out first. However as you have not responded to my questions, I shall just bang your heads together and go on from there. Takunya first of all, that Lancaster House document was not a "CONSTITUTION" as you said. It was an AGREEMENT between the Zimbabwean government and the British government. A constitution is a written document that among many things, defines the fundamental political principles which structure procedures, powers and duties of a government, and in a democratic society, it guarantees rights to the people. In other words it is a system of government. By the way do you even know what that agreement is about? It plainly shows that you have no clue otherwise you would not say a stupid thing such as "The Lancaster House Constitution was your document and not ours. Like sheep we followed what that document was saying" etc. Obviously you have no clue and are in fact are accusing Mugabe of having 'followed like sheep" because guess who signed that document. About citizenship, you are confused. You say "Not even off spring of invaders are denied Zimbabwean citizenship." My question to you then is "what is "citizenship?" Is it not a right given to you through birth, naturalization or rarely honorary? Does it not afford you the privilege of avenues in which to serve your country as best you can in many ways such as paying taxes, voting, military, providing employment through industry, food through farming and generally respecting and defending the rights of others? So at what stage did those farmers start being "white" and not Zimbabwean to deserve all the beatings and killings? I am right then in saying what you have done and are still doing is racist. Now moving along. You chokora are asking ME to prove to YOU about the purchase of those farms. Why don't YOU know? YOU did the killings and the land grabs. All this question tells me is that you all went on a killing and land-grabbing spree on those farmers not knowing whether or not those farms were paid for, only for the fact that they were white and Mugabe in his desire to cover up his thefts knew that such an action would distract from his crimes. The fact that you are asking me tells me you know nothing and as such why should I educate you? Both of you are ignorant not at all credible and racist and a sheer waste of space on this earth.
kjrs, you keep calling us racists - just step aside and give us OUR LAND! Dont hate the players - hate the game that you invented and are still trying to play.
hey Kubatana, I say it as I see it. You are practicing racism on the Zimbabwean white farmers and your "citizenship" is meaningless. I don't know why any of them remained in your country after seeing so many others being beaten and murdered. They should have seen the futility of it all, left when still young and healthy, and settled where they were welcome because it was just a matter of time. One thing I will say is, they are bloody good farmers. The way you are all tripping over yourselves to grab those farms, even you president's wife grace Mugabe fighting with a judge for a farm that he pushed and shoved for, tells me that none of you have the balls to work virgin land and make something of it. Those farmers did. They fed the whole country, brought in about 80 % of total revenue - something you will never attain. So take your land and grow that single cob and the way I see it, you and your land will amount to nothing because you are taking it for selfish greed and not for distribution among the nation.
KJRS, you are so right - those white farmers should have left long time ago. Do you think they were 'good farmers' when they first got the land ? NO they made many mistakes before they got it right - it took them YEARS to get farming right. Some of our Black farmers are now going through that process and will GET IT RIGHT EVENTUALLY. In the meantime we just want ALL our LAND !
Kubatana, I do understand that you want all your land and that are all falling all over yourselves for what the white Zimbabwean farmers have already developed. I still say as things stand right now ,you don't stand a chance in hell of being successful with those farms because Mugabe is only giving them to those who are close to him and who know nothing about farming but just like the idea of owning a good developed farm that a white farmer once owned. Most of you getting those farms are city dwellers who have no idea what it took to put that food on your table. The only ones who may be successful are those Zimbabweans who have worked alongside the white farmers and therefore care and know how to work the land, but then those are ' the nothings' to Mugabe who will never be given any farms. Your country has neither seed, fertilizer, nor farming implements apart from what it is stealing from the white farmers, so with that scenario, I see you starving even more because now you won't even have the handful of white farmers to produce food, and obviously having no money in your coffers, you will not be able to import even the basic essentials such as mealie meal. Even if you were to import food , the poor would continue to starve as imports are expensive. It will take lots of money and extensive training in farming for the new farmers to even "get it right eventually."
Kjrs120,
White farmers NEVER produced food for the Blackman. They grew flowers, tobacco, paprika, fruits and other export crops. Had the money from these exports been coming back to Zimbabwe it would have been better. They connived with offshore companies in Europe to externalize money from these exports.
70% of the staple food, maize, came from our communal farmers who farmed on small, arid, semi-desert and rocky areas which the Whiteman used to call Tribal Trust Lands. Now that they are on better soils found in Region I, II, III and IV, miracles are bound to happen as we are soon going to become net exporters.
Before invasion we never starved. Blacks are by nature accomplished farmers. Starvation only started when our forefathers were forced-marched to Chibharo as payment for "hut tax" demanded by the invaders. We had everything including millions of cattle which used to graze the vast farm lands that were later forcibly taken, together with the cattle, by the invaders.
If you are convinced that we "do not stand a chance in hell of being successful" then just leave us and see what we are capable of doing. We are intellectually smarter than you. We only took our land after making sure that we had enough people with technical knowhow to do extension work for the new farmers. Most of our Agricultural graduates are raring to go now that things have stabilized and we have united into one formidable force. Just wait and see!!
Tak, explain why Zimbabwe needs so much food aid now and back in the bad old days, food was exported? Please enlighten me.
Takunya, Lancaster house is not your problem. Sorry it is for the simple reason, both Robert Mugabe and Joshua Nkomo signed it, with out it ZanuPf would not of gained power in 1980 through the ballot box.
Kube Ton, " he bought the land", did he pay the farmer or was it given it by Bob-e-jaan.
why Mengistu why is it its only African leaders who must face trial for casualties of social unrest Why have I not heard any of you agitating for the trial of Magareth Thancher,John Taylor,Tony Blair for the muders in Ireland Or talk of G Bush(snr)G Bush Jnr for their killings in Middle East Guantanamo and Darfur remember when Zimbabwe fought in DRC the first casualties they killed where Americans(This explains the sanctions)Bill Clinton bombed Yugoslavia from space yet he is a saint and Mengistu must hang stop this nonsense and start to see the light as Africans worth their wits
Pstfarai, may I suggest that you talk to the Ethiopian people themselves first, get firsthand information about Mengistu from them, then ask " Why Mengistu?"
Didn't the Arabs take a lot of land off the blacks in the north , They stole african land. Oh boy does Takiometre, Kube ton, Rhodesia88 want to start a revolution in north africa to get the ancestoral lands back, I wonder.
My blood boils over every time i hear that this rascal tyrant has found a niche in Zimbabwe. His expertise in fouling up a nation must have been the reason why the once flourishing Zimbabwe is hitting rock bottom. History is repeating itself. What this scum of the World did to Ethiopia wasn't enough and he had to get another shot in another country. The blame should lie on Cohen for he should have forbidden Mengistu from any activity whatsoever when he gave him a furlough in Harrare. It is no coincidence that Zimbabwe went on a downhill since the arrival of this despot on its shores. For the sake of Humanity and the millions of Ethiopians and citizens of Zimbabwe, Mr Mugabe, ship 'The butcher of Addis' to Pyongyang where he can't be a menace anymore than he is. He is a curse, indeed
i think this article is written by somebody who hate Mengistu. We Ethiopians and Zim babweans know that Mengistu did a lot of good things during Zimbabwea's independence struggle.If the writter has a hidden agenda,let him presenet it in a clear manner so that we can discuss it that way . JILALO SIRAJ SHERIF ADDIS ABABA
If the "sources" of information are not revealed, then the information is crap, for the information is only as good as the CREDIBILITY of the source. The credibility of the source is an issue because all sources---in different degrees---lie, shave facts, distort the obvious, are inconsistent or contradicted by other sources, and this is just a partial list of the perfidy of sources nameless, a favorite game of the Western journalistic tradition.
We have condemned the Western Tradition as false, false as to truth, beauty and morality, and much more. We therefore condemn the traditions of Western journalism, including the unclarified notions of "a free press," "objective reporting," and other propaganda 'concepts'.
Therefore, the story on Mengistu is deemed nonsense. Beyond nonsense, it is an attack on the GNU, since the GNU runs the show in Zimbabwe.
Hence, it is probably sponsored by rhodie reactionaries whose hope OF THE RESTORATION has been justifiably dashed by the MDC.
shut up fool...you are talking out of your backside!!!!
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rhodesia88...I will not flag your post. I want everyone to see how small your brain is. It has run out of useless things to say now it is harvesting the foul things! Shame on you for resorting to such foul language just because you are unable to offer up anything tangible other than frantic posts to support a butcher and dictator. But then with supporters like you counted in his ranks are we to expect any less????
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Fine rhodesia88...then in the tradition of responding in a similar manner dont go play with yourself..go play with your mother!!!! Employ all the nuances of the Queen's language to work that one out your halfwit!! dont waste my time anymore with your stupidity. It is apparent that when the rest of us were going to school you were busy flogging roast mealies on the side of the road...hence your abject stupidity moron. It is not everyday I get wound up but pray I never run into you...or I will dismantle you! You dont know who you are playing with...and yes..take it as a threat!!!!!
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Rmkooistra, billybongo must be an australian with a name like that, Maybe the 88 is the brain cells he has, coming to think about it, thats too many. ha ha ha ha ha ha
Watzing matwetwe, waltzing matwetwe, you'll come a waltzing matwetwe with me, And he sang as he stowed that reidbuck in his mielie sack, You'll come a waltzing matwetwe with me. Billybongo song. He's an abo from Oz. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha aha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
jilal...Us decent zimbabweans are quite willing to let you have your dear leader back so you can continue to pay homage to him right there in Ethiopia. Tell us what plane to put him on and we will oblige seeing as you think so highly of him!!
Turnex,
What right do you have (you none-Zimbabwean) to put someone on a none-existent plane to nowhere? What has been done has been done and will not be changed. We decent Zimbabweans invited him to the country he fought for and he is enjoying the fruits of his efforts. We decent Zimbabweans are prepared to protect African heroes because we recognize them when we see them.
I am more of a zimbabwean than you could ever hope to be. Uri kuuya pano uchi taura kuti murume uyu akauraya vanhu vakawanda ava mukuru manje?? handisati ndanzva muhupenyu wangu kuti munhu anouraya vanhu vake munhu weku namata sezvaurikuita. Saka usati wandibvundza futi kuti ndinobva kuzimbabwe funga futi...wanzwa here????? Maybe it is you whose ethnicity is at question here and not mine!!!!
Turnex,
You have proved it yourself that you are not Zimbabwean. Hakuna Shona inonzi "muhupenyu wangu", this means that you learnt our language while you were a mercenary in the Rhodesia army. Tibvire kumhepo iwe, mutengesi, mupuruvheya!!
How very observent of you taku...I get one word wrong and that disqualifies me as zimbabwean...hmmm...I guess George Bush who regularly got his english mixed up must be an african then or Russian or I dont know...you tell us with your new found degree in linguistics!!! skuzapo.....LOL
takunya, it's called justice, the very thing you harp on about all the time. Mengistu will be held accountable for what he did in Ethiopia. If you don't believe me go with your friend to the centre of Addis ababa and tell the Ethiopians what a good guy mengestu is. Lets see what happens, ok.Which plane you say, I'm sure Bob will commandeer another of the Air Zim fleet to take his dear comrade back to his home. tell you what , I'll even put up the airfair for Mengistu to fly Ethiopian Airlines back home where he is so "loved".Lets see the welcome to the Ethiopian hero back in "His" country. Planning a liberation movement in ethiopia so he can have " his " land back? Go on show your comradeship with your partner in crime, Fight for the Liberation Of Ethiopia. Takunya the general.
Well, it's a freaky thing. Unless all dectators are shot on the spot, it is kind of hard to get them back after they run.
For those African brothers and sisters who have no idea what this man has done to Ethiopians young and old, trust me when I tell you it is only second to Rwanda in speed but more in numbers and beyound anything that went down in Africa.
Mengistu is a sadistic killer. He is a simple man who rose to power by the gun and went on a murder rampage for 17 years. He is also a coward who run when he was cofronted by other killers who are just like him.
EthioMan,
What about those who raped Africa for centuries on end? What about those who took our brothers and sisters as slaves to plantations across the Atlantic? What about those who invaded our lands and colonized us for centuries before Mengistu took up arms to liberate us?
They killed millions of Africans for refusing to enter the slaughter ships. Those who fell sick along the way were summarily thrown into high seas. There was no recourse to any kind of authority. What the slave takers did or said was law and this resulted in millions of our brothers dying at the hands of these uncultured barbarians. Up to this day nobody knows how many millions of Africans were killed resisting capture and those who resisted along and when they got to the final plantation destinations.
Here in Zimbabwe my forefathers and mothers were killed in their millions for resisting invasion. We only managed to defend ourselves from these barbarians after heroes like Mengistu offered the kind of help he gave us. You, therefore, cannot compare the understandable death in a war like the one obtaining in Ethiopia at the time and the extermination that took place during colonialism, during slavery and during the liberation of our lands.
It is normal and is obvious, in a war that people will die and that is why it is always best to avoid wars, especially civil wars because they result in many innocent people dying. But that cannot be compared to the one sided genocidal slaughter and extermination of the black people of Africa by invaders and slave masters.
You are fortunate because Ethiopia, from history, was never colonized, but that did not blind Mengistu from offering material help to freedom fighters. Ask us in Zimbabwe who had to fight a protracted war to free ourselves from colonial bondage.
Ethiopia, led by Mengistu, was one of the few countries in Africa that gave us more than material help. Mengistu should therefore be allowed to live a normal and unmolested life in his adopted country of Zimbabwe and should only face justice from his maker and not anyone on this earth.
taku...your sense of reasoning is perverse...so I guess it will be ok for another group of people to come to zimbabwe and rape and pillage and kill because mugabe and the 5th brigade committed the very same atrocities some years ago??? Why do you seem to think because the colonisers abused and killed africans then its alright for africans to abuse and kill each other?? People like you need locking up in mental homes..probably you escaped from one!!!!
Turnex,
I never said it was ok for "Africans to abuse and kill each other" because no African has killed another African. Mengistu was defending his country from bandits who were being sponsored by Western imperialists. Like in any civil war people are bound to die and this is unfortunate. He was the legitimate President of Ethiopia, thus, had a right to defend his country.
The current Ethiopian regime is pursuing and exterminating a rebel group who are demanding autonomy in their region. Why are you not talking about genocide when it is clear that innocent people are being indiscriminately killed by the current Ethiopian regime? Is it not because everybody is agreed that Ethiopia has a right to maintain its territorial integrity as one united country and is why all excesses being committed are being ignored.
In any case why should we talk about Mengistu before solving all the cases before that? Everybody, even Rhodes, who committed crimes against the people of color should be brought to justice first before we can talk about the Western sponsored rebels who are fighting legitimate govts throughout the world today.
Bin Laden and the Taliban were created, trained and funded by the CIA because they wanted to stop Russian influence in that region. Now the tables have turned; Al Qaeda and the Taliban are now fighting their former sponsors and we hear all talk about atrocities committed by their former puppets. Similarly, all those who have refused to tow the Anglo-Saxon line are labeled war criminals and we are not surprised at all when CIA agents like you parrot your masters’ voices.
As for Zimbabwe, no atrocities were ever committed by the 5th Brigade. It is however accepted and has been acknowledged that a number of civilians, but not the 20 000 you quote, were caught in crossfire. They were innocent and everybody regret that having happened. What I distaste is the propaganda you advance that people were deliberately and systematically killed in Matabeleland and the Midlands. That is not true and will NEVER be true.
Ndebeles and Shonas are brothers and we have united after learning from our mistakes, this is why you are so bitter. You wanted us to continue fighting so that you could be hired again as a mercenary. Take a glass of water and use it to push down the bone stuck on your throat!!!
No african has ever killed another african??? What cave have you been dwelling in since time began?? I guess the good old impis and chaka and lobengula all lived in peaceful harmony till the CIA came to africa and turned them against each other??? brush up on your history before making wild statements that betray your ignorance please. as for your insulting 20,000 people caught in crossfire...boy with an army that cannot distinguish civilians from the enemy to the extent they mistakenly mow down 20,000 afric...oops no africans have never killed africans so not really sure what these 20,000 people were..probably europeans pretending to be ndebele, what hope has the country got?? you have been brainshwashed badly...how can you insult the ndebele people and our intelligence by claiming they were collateral damage by an army that could not shoot straight???
I guess the poor people that died during the war were also simply caught in crossfire if we apply your twisted logic. You know what..you are cut from the same cloth as mugabe and dont engage me anymore please. your comment has left a really bad taste in my mouth and debating with you on this forum will just lend legitimacy to your posts and I wont do that...not in the memory of the poor people ruthlessly murdered by the 5th brigade. So dont ask me anymore questions about anything I post on here expecting an answer. you are a truly vile person, you and your zanupf...and you people wonder why you are held in such low esteem!!
I have tried to be as restrained as possible in my response because never in my life have I encountered such tripe as what you have asserted!!
Turnex, one thing here, Stop trying to reason with the devil, it never works.He was defeated nigh on 2000 years ago.
Prem,
With the best surveillance equipment ever to be deployed in a combat zone, America killed more than one million civilians in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Why could they not distinguish between civilians and enemy combatants? During your mercenary days, in my country, you killed thousands of our people. Why were you not able to separate civilians from armed combatants?
The Rhodesian army, of which you were a member, deliberately killed our people for supporting freedoms fighters. They killed missionaries and blamed it on freedom fighters. We did not pursue these crimes because we took the route of forgiveness, of reconciliation, of uniting all races in one democratic country and of magnanimity.
This does not mean that you did not systematically kill our fathers and mothers, genocidal style, during the war of liberation. Some of our people were killed, not even in combat zones, but in farms, some were thrown into disused mines while others were thrown into sulphuric acid by invaders. The invaders of our lands recorded all these deaths as those of baboons killed trying to steal from their fields. We did not pursue all these crimes because we wanted to promote peace and tranquility
Instead of reciprocating, you have chosen the path of confrontation, of opening old wounds, and of propagating lies so that Zimbabweans can start fighting each other again while you siphon our wealth to your imperialist countries.
It is not true and will never be true that 20 000 people were killed by the 5th Brigade. No amount of WMD deployed around here will ever change facts as they are on the ground. The truth of the matter is that as Zimbabweans we have learnt from our mistakes and have forgiven each other and are moving forward.
You can try all the tricks in the CIA book but you will never succeed. ZIMBABWE WILL NEVER BE A COLONY AGAIN!!! NEVER EVER, NOT EVEN IN A THOUSAND YEARS!!!
Prem, Takunya thinks the CIA invented homosexuality, syphilis and Aids. Thats the intellect of the person you are dealing with here. Go Figure!
Awt,
I do not "think" they invented, but I KNOW they did.
Shot on the spot? If you are a believer in the FALSE TRADITION OF THE WEST, you should have added after a "trial, with procedural and substantive safeguards, bla, bla, bla."
By the way, not that we care about Mengistu, what is the difference between the current regime in Addis Ababa and Mengistu's?
Elections, you'll be tempted to say: don't even go there.
So: ou est la differance, bitte?
Amnesty International believe that 500,000 Ethiopians were murdered during the Red Terror, including many many children. The court in Ethiopia have found Mengistu guilty in abstentia of genocide.
C'mom Jallohlaw, there is no excuse for Mugabe protecting this butcher!
We are not in a church where "beliefs" count as facts.
As for Amnesty International, it is in the business of giving amnesty to Western crimes.
And, by the way, Zimbabwe is run by the GNU; accordingly, the person you call a "butcher" is not being protected by the rhodie ass kicker, Cde. Mugabe, if your hypothesis holds, but by the GNU.
Again: Mengistu needs no one's protection, for he can defend himself in the courts, if it comes to that. If he is guilty of the alleged crimes, so is the current thuggish regime in Addis Ababa, which, come to think of it, reminds us of the barbarian Rhodesian State.
Perhaps, it is time to try the bone of Ian Smith and his living tails in the Hague for centuries and centuries of crimes against Africans BY THE GNU.
As much as we detest Ian Smith and his living tails, we would not dream of giving 'Ethiopian' courts jurisdiction over them.
Ethiopian courts?
Even you, our theoretical foe, would not deserve such a fate: trial in Addis Ababa.
Fair, we are, even to our agonists.
Its a relief to know that even I do not deserve to be tried in Addis Ababa. Any particular court that you think I should be tried in? Do you have any charges is mind?
"believe"!
So you do think that we should go with beliefs. Here is mine: I BELIEVE that you have killed over 1,000,000. Now, what?
Murder.
Does it matter whether the toll is one (and that ONE happens to be your life) or a million?
Now, level some accusations against Bush. And Blair too.
This doesn't make sense. Even if you believe that George Bush and Tony Blair should be tried for genocide, it does not exonerate Mengistu. Why do you support this man being protected and comforted by Zimbabwe when his own people have found him guilty of genocide and the crimes committed under his rule are beyond a shadow of doubt? If you do not believe that he will get a fair trial in Ethiopia, then let him stand trial in the Hague or Lagos or wherever. He needs to answer to the charges that have been raised against him.
Ethio Man, this takunya is a rabid creature that should be shot on site. He is lying shamelessly when he says that "Mangistu took up arms to liberate us" Which part of the Zimbabwe bush during the liberation struggle was Mangistu fighting? In fact even Mugabe was nowhere in the bush. Mangistu did nothing but enjoy the money that bought guns from him. So to say he "took up arms" is just trying to justify why Mangistu is living on the hog in Zimbabwe. Sadistic killers certainly do not deserve a second chance. Perhaps the peace loving section of Zimbabweans will see to it that these murderers get what they deserve. Mengistu has found refuge in Zimbabwe a member of the ICC so what are you guys waiting for? Nab him.
This nonsense about Mengistu is the typical and worthless propaganda that spews regularly from wicked western mindset. These destructive devils are always stirring up strife like the vengeful and divisive demons that they are!
omagosh, you should repeat those word in the middle of addis ababa and see what happens.
Basildon Peta
Has been kicked out of so many places and jobs - I wonder whether that makes him a bad person. Or does his hard luck make him jealous of other people's cozy circumstances?
Basildon Peta is a respected journalist who writes regularly for many European newspapers. It is sheer typical zanu envy on your part that you try to denigrate a great journalist. I guess you are accustomed to the daily diet of gutter propaganda courtesy of the Herald to know anything worthy of consideration!! Stick with your Herald and we will read truthful mature journalism..!!
Turnex,
Basildon Peta is a disgraced propagandist who had to flee Zimbabwe for misrepresenting facts. He lied that he had been arrested and described the inside of a police cell he had not seen the door of. He failed dismally on the very essence of journalism - impartiality - even if one was personally affected. He was found wanting in that regard.
If, therefore, he writes "regularly for many European newspapers" then it speaks volumes about the papers that accepts his articles. Note that you say "European" newspapers. They are only using him because they want regime change that will culminate in the reversal of the land reform in Zimbabwe. Very soon they will discard him for what he really is - a CIA agent.
He is one of those Zimbabwean journalists, civil society campaigners and "human rights" activists who were recruited by the Bush regime in its regime change agenda. He is not worth talking about.
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With regard to the Tsvangirai accident, we read the following out of Zimbabwe:
That there is an ongoing investigation of the accident by the police/security departments.
That investigation by The Herald (newspaper) has indicated that the contractor in question was Crown Agents, a British colonial company ....
That members of Zimbabwe's parliament have vigorously been questioning USAID's involvement in the tragedy... "
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Meanwhile Roy Bennett has a lot to say about the accident, the justice system in Zimbabwe, the people of Zimbabwe and how the rhodies will continue to enjoy their loot and the ancestral lands that were violently commandeered from the natives.
In an interview heard by millions on Saturday March 14, 2009 on NPR (a government-financed, quasi-official propaganda mouthpiece like the UK's government-financed, quasi-official propaganda mouthpiece, the BBC) Bennett had the following on of Zimbabwe( and I shall valiantly try to withhold my comments):
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- That the Tsvangirai accident was very suspicious and the Zimbabwe government prevents anybody from doing investigations and follow-up.
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- That he was spirited from the airport into jail when he landed in Zimbabwe without charge - which is a breakdown in the rule of law in Zimbabwe.
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- About the less-that-five-star prison system in Zimbabwe, he had a lot to say:
. That there is horrible overcrowding in the prison system of Zimbabwe which he termed human disaster and crime against humanity.
. That in Zimbabwe's prisons, many people die and that the living sleep with the dead. And that it could be months before a dead body is removed from the cells.
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- That IF anyone did any wrong (!), then he/she should be brought to court, charged AND then forgiven so that there is reconciliation (No retribution, please. No reparations. No restitution. And the rhodies can continue enjoying the ill-gotten loot and blood-soaked ancestral lands AS BEFORE.)
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- That Tsvangirai is trying to bring decency to Zimbabwe. [What is "decent" to him? With regard to what seems to be the source of his anger, has Tsvangirai promised him that he will grab Zimbabwe's ancestral lands from the natives?]
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- That the people of Zimbabwe are filled with hatred and vengeance - and that he has lived his life at the brunt of it. [Shouldn't he thank his rhodie gods - on a day to day basis - that the natives let him live and move around, nay trample upon, their ancestral lands of Zimbabwe?]
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You can hear the audio version of the interview her (if it stays there for long ..)
http://www.npr.org/templates/player/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&id=101914 662
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As of the date of the interview, MDC was part of that government that Bennett trashes among foreigners. And Bennett is (in fact supposed to be) in that government - and work with the natives he denigrates. Where is the collective responsibility?
And he provides this interview - while serious charges of, among others, treason and sabotage are pending against him. (Is that foolhardy or is it racist insolence arising from years of unfettered and unpunished denigration of Africans, their leaders and their governments? We suppose that, like the rhodies in South Africa, he expects to get away with it - and prosper.)
There are ongoing hostilities between USA/UK/EU and Zimbabwe. The imposition of economic sanctions would be considered by western countries and Zimbabwe as tantamount to a declaration of war. Zimbabwe is in a state of war with the western countries - and the actions by western countries has maliciously inflicted hardships starvation and death on the people of Zimbabwe.
And here is an insolent, supremacist Roy Bennett, a citizen of Zimbabwe, palling around with the enemy AND providing comfort and solace - in wartime - to virulent enemies of Zimbabwe.
How does MDC and Zimbabwe define "treason"?
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It seems to me that the MPs, Cde Mugabe and Tsvangirai have to answer to the people of Zimbabwe - and at least assure the people that this angry, antagonistic, racist rhodie, Roy Bennett, is unique and indispensable to the government and the people of Zimbabwe.
It seems to us that he is an unwelcome distraction and a possible national security risk at this critical time in Zimbabwe.
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[ For anyone interested in how the people and the democracies of the west, say USA, would deal with such a case, start your online search with USA's Japanese internment camps of WW2; then Jane Fonda's comments in Vietnam; "McCarthyism" in USA; Dixie Chicks in London; to the ongoing targeting of muslims, their pronouncements, their madrassa, Imams and mosques in USA ..]
" ... That he was spirited from the airport into jail when he landed in Zimbabwe without charge - which is a breakdown in the rule of law .."
I suspect that he wouldn't consider it a breakdown in the "rule of law" when that happens in USA and UK to a suspected terrorist. Or maybe he has yet to appreciate the seriousness of the charges brought against him - terrorism and sabotage. That he can be let out on bail when there is a serious flight risk on such heinous crimes is puzzling.
[What do some of those cross-eyed judges in Zimbabwe have underneath those wigs of dead white women? Fetid porridge for brains?]
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" .. That there is horrible overcrowding in the prison system of Zimbabwe which he termed human disaster and crime against humanity. .."
The prisons in USA are notorious for overcrowding. So, maybe Zimbabwe is not that different from other democracies.
At least he was not raped, tortured or worse. In any case, shouldn't this suspected terrorist be held in a military camp - Guantanamo-style? Evidence in trials (within the civilian 'free access' system) involving terrorism or sabotage run the risk of exposing sensitive information and methods that may compromise the country's national security or put the lives of agents working under cover in danger. Such trials belong in the military system of justice.
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" ... No retribution, please. No reparations. No restitution. And the rhodies can continue enjoying the ill-gotten loot and blood-soaked ancestral lands AS BEFORE..."
And they will be ready to do it all over again to some other natives - possibly those in Zimbabwe! So where is the learning?
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" ... people of Zimbabwe are filled with hatred and vengeance .."
Well. Aren't the natives evil! Imagine what they do to the nice rhodies like Bennett! Aren't these rhodies just godly!
[Nature of propaganda: Blame the victim for his/her victimization. Level the accusation at the victim. Keep him on the defensive.]
Soryy, people, try this link:
http://www.npr.org/templates/player/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=fa lse&id=101914662
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Or search for "Roy Bennett" at
http://www.npr.org/services/radio.html
All this goes to show that ZanuPf worships and loves all dictators. Hey ZanuPF comrades, you think Amin and Burkaso were good guys? How if i throw in Pol Pot and Hitler?
What the hell zola lets throw in Bush, Blair, Howard, ian smith and many others too!
Blair, Bush, Howard were voted into power and then voted out, Blair stood down. How does that make them dictators. Ian Smith well, his time was up, if the black population had of had the vote back then , then Ian smith wouldn't of been PM. You are veeerrrryyyyy sloooooow oonnnnn theeeeee uptaaaaaakkee.
" .. It seems to us that he is an unwelcome distraction and a possible national security risk at this critical time in Zimbabwe. .."
Many consider citizenship not a right but a privilege. It seems obvious to many that this rhodie Bennett does not like it in Zimbabwe.
Bennnett says no ill about UK that has engaged in hostile actiopns that have starved and killed the natives of Zimbabwe - whose well-being (as a member of that government) he supposedly minds.
But we note that unlike the natives of Zimbabwe, Bennett would readily be accorded full rights of citizenship and belonging in UK of his murderous ancestral scoundrels.
It seems obvious to many that this rhodie Bennett does not like it in Zimbabwe: He doesn't like its leaders and his compatriots.
Perhaps Bennett should be relieved of his citizenship in Zimbabwe, if he has any, so that he may pursue his crusade against Zimbabwe elsewhere - unfettered by the constraints placed on him by Zimbabwe's laws and constitution.
Remember Miriam Makeba?
Chokora, Bennett says no ill about the UK because he is not a liar. He knows Mugabe is the culprit who has brought Zimbabwe to such low levels, so why blame someone else? Bennett is not Zanu-PF - thank goodness.
bennett is a rhodie, bennett is a rhodie who should hang for crimes against the people of Zimbabwe.
Kubatana, please please tell what crimes Bennett committed. Name them one by one and explain why it is that Mugabe should have released someone "who should hang." I have asked this question in earnest before but none of you can substantiate anything. Hey maybe that is why Mugabe has seen it fit to censor you because you just say without substance whatever comes to your mind. You actually do a great disservice to your country when you talk rubbish.
Bennet is a criminal through and through 1)He dispised our hard won democracy by assaulting a Black MP 2)He unlawfully left the country without presenting hiself to a immigration official for sinister motives amomg them sabotage & terorism 3)He is guilty of recruiting and arming youth militia for possible diruption of order in Zimbabwe 4)His co accused Hitschman is testfying against him for the discovered cache of arms in Manicaland 5)Not only has he spoken againts the person of the President of The Republic of Zimbabwe but he has also vilified motherland both at home and abroad t 6)Political parties in Zimbabwe are/should be financed by an act of parliament not by foreigners he is the chiefculprit responsible for the financing of an opposition by aliens 7)He attempted to obstruct land reform re Kondozi the list is endless he is guilty in my views
He who has no sin cast the first stone. Who are you, Judge and Jury? What are your credentials in law?
Pstfarai, well to be honest I find No merit in anything you have said regarding those 7 "crimes" that you say Mr Bennett is "guilty" of. Your very last sentence, "he is guilty in my view," says it all. It is just that - YOUR view. Obviously in your country of instant justice thuggery, a person is guilty until proven innocent. The lamest of all the "crimes," "He despised our hard won democracy by assaulting a Black MP," was most ludicrous because all it was, was a push and the MP went crying home. If you want to talk about "assaults against democracy", I suggest you talk about the deaths of the Ndebele, the white farmers and those MDC supporters you recently killed.
KJRS, In the west , a person is innocent unti proven guilty, in the east your are guilty until proven innocent, But in Zimbabwe as we all know ,A person is guilty until proven guitly. Pstfarai is jsut one of those people who preside over a Kangaroo Court. Shows that they don't want uphold the law. They believe that anyone who has a different view to them, is an enemy of the state and should be eliminated.shows that robert Mugabe has taught his underlings well in that respect.Maybe it was injected into them by the CIA.
Zungairwa,
I guess those Muslims who languished at Guantanamo Bay Prison were proved guilt before they were sent there for more than six years now. I am sure you also mean that those who suffered under extra-ordinary randition had been proved guilt at the time of their capture and transportation to puppet countries to be tortured and killed. I am sure you are positive that the Brazilian who was shot in London had already been proved guilt before dropping dead at the hands of the police. WESTERN JUSTICE!!
Takiometre, what about all the ethiopian people who died at the hands of of Mengestu. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God, including me, but there is one difference , the slate is wiped clean when you give your life to Jesus, and guess what, Jesus forgets that you have done anything wrong, but it does not give me free liscence to go on sinning. What about all the opposition in our country who have been held without charge in prison . If you want to talk about the whole picture, then don't leave out the ruling party. the MDC. Remember they got more seats than Bob-e-jaan.
kjrs, we are not surprised by your comment ' I FIND NO MERIT' - you will NEVER find any MERIT in anything Zimbabwean !
zola, what are yours and your rhodie 'BAAS' regarding Mugabe ?
If Bob is going to lead the country in capacity of president, then he should govern for all the people in a just way for EVERYONE, not just for himself and a few idiots. If he wants my trust then it's best that he earns it. Love is free, trust is earned. My Rhodie baa's think that the manenge mujiba bobijaan Bob is of hees hed. He say, He is mukuru mampara, do not truust hiim. A lepod do not change hiis spots. He also say, Dictators of a fetha flock togetha. Bad nuse Bad nuse.
KJRS, i love winding up these unfortunate inviduals up at the best of times. It is easy to wind up a clock work mouse. Kube ton and Takiometre try to be so high and mighty, and guess what the spring in their heads are winding down and they do not when Mukuru Bosopo-mampara Bob-e-jaan is going to give them their next meal. Wonder if they want any of the food aid going into Zim from the west?
Hey Zola, some of your rhodie friends are starting to make fun of your POOR SPELLINGS . They are finding you ' TOO MUCH '! They are laughing at how you misspell simple words like OFF ,HEAD, LEOPARD ect, If you stick with us we will not laugh at you, but your rhodie 'baas' DOES !
Ah No Kube ton, I got my honry degri at the Bob-e-jaan Skol of soshal orda. You do noot cum tu mi and say dat, My roadi bus say to me Zola, u veri cleva, I leaf my stolen lant to u to keep it awe' from Mukuru mampara Bob-e-jaan, he is a nyoka in the gras, Hokoyo Zola, Hokoyo, Chengeri Bob. Ah no, Bob a tsotsi. So i biwer. My friends do not laf at mi, they laf with mi at a babboon who can be wound up like a clock werk mowse. Kube ton veeery fuuuunny, to fuuuny fo werds.
My Roadi baas is not a shepe, he veery good to mi, I haf his stolan lant to kepe u of eet. My Roade bus very cleva, he teech me good.
Kubatana, you are a bloody snake. NO ONE has laughed at Zola for any reason except YOU, and as is typical, YOU are the one criticizing him under the guise of other posters. Coward. Zola's posts about Zimbabwe are always unbiased and truthful and his belief in God unshakable. YOUR thought process and those of your political persuasion is the reason why Zimbabwe is not going forward and what your country needs are a lot more Zimbabwean Zolas - true to their motherland and people and not brainwashed idiots like you. When I said Zola was" too much," I was complementing him on his sense of humou. You know that very well moron, but are just trying to put Zola down and be stupid as usual.
Come now kjrs, you cant fool us. We ALL know what you meant. Let's be honest now Zola is just another subhuman to you. rhodies use people like poor zola to get there views across from another angle. You guys have been doing it since time began and that will never change. Once you get your way zola will just be another *******. Sorry zola - it's sad but TRUE!
Kubatana, in case you have not noticed, Zola is his own man unlike you a brainwashed- Mugabe-subhuman stooge. I will not have you insinuate I made fun of Zola when I did not, and know that your bullshit will not hold water with Zola either. The imbecile that you are, you say the first rubbish that comes to your empty nut and is it any wonder with people like you, your country is filthy and backward. You now have an unemployment rate of 94% and an inflation rate of 89.7 sextillion% (expressed with 21 zeros) simply off the charts because you Mugabe low life thieves and beggars know nothing.
Thanks KJRS, These guys will even be fighting in hell saying that they are right and shaking their fists at God and acusing Jesus for not doing anything for them. Sad when you think of it, They think , If you don't love me then i will hit you. It is only when one shows love to each other is when they or anyone for that matter will go forward.
Kubatana. You very sorry individual. Go and look in the mirror and see what you are like. You say you know the truth, Have you met Jesus? No, well then the truth is not in you. If the truth is not in you then sorry, you lose, rather see you in heaven, but you choose where you want to make your bed. When hearing the word of God then you reject it, then sorry then it's the firy pit for you. I weep for you.
Kubeton, Yoo sey im sub yuman, yoo do nut sey thees things, I'm nut stupad, becoz my bus sey , Zola yoo too cleva. Yoo see The only truth is that Jesus is in me as to you being controled by Satan. Sorry, loser I stay on the winning side.
My my my, since when did Ethiopian dictators become a landless black person in Zimbabwe. Two houses, two farms, what about the poor landless black Zimbabweans in dire need of land. Now we know who the real puppet master is and who's pulling Bob's strings. Takunya or Chokora or Richeison or Kubatana please enlighten the forum as how this Ex Ethiopian dictator is able to steal the land of the people who fought a long hard bloody liberation war for the people of Zimbabwe. What did Mengistu do for Zimbabwe. Tell me this, how are Mengistu's children full Zimbabwean citizens? when many people who were born in Zimbabwe are denied their birth right. Streight answers with out swearing or blaspeming are only acceptable. I ask a streight forward question, so i require a streight forward answer. Pamberi ne Morgan, Pamberi ne Zimbabwe, Pamberi ne Jesu.