i agree with what you say and think that every country in this modern age has to become part of that country and people for them to respect that country and do well in that country. It is a shame that many that think like that have had the same treatment as those that could not care less!

My point is that in modern farming you only need a few people to farm 1000's of acres! This means there is no real chance to do what the person before our posts suggested and being a person that has just started farming his knowledge on the subject is next to useless and shows he does not understand the subject at all!

My concern for the good people of Zim is the way it has been done and what is being said by mugabe and regime means no person or company would dream of taking the risk of buying land or investing in Zim. It makes the world know they are not welcome. The saying goes"money talks and the rest can walk" but in Zim for 30 years, money talks for a week and then you can just walk away from your money and your investment because there are no rules at all except ones that change day to day depending on what mugabe and regime need themselves and not for the country and its people. Anyone that thinks mugabe and regime care about the people of Zim is kidding themselves. If you think they do name what they have had to go without while there people starve and die!

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Why am i not surprised, A commercial farmer from Zimbabwe making a success of farming wherever he/she goes. Imagine the amount of food and jobs which would of still been in Zimbabwe if it was not for Bob's cockup.

Let other african countries BENEFIT from those farmers they deserve their BLESSINGS for rescuing them from Ebagume OTHER AFRICAN COUNTRIES SHOULD TAKE THOSE THAT ARE NOW BEING TOLD TO PACK UP AND GO ONE WONDERS IF EBAGUME WILL EVER LEARN TO USE HIS BIG GOB PROPERLY

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Famine is what takes place in a country endowned by rich agricultural land when a bloodstained dictator decides one day to expell most farmers who, by coincidence, were all whites!

Perhaps Nigeria will now have pity on Zimbos going without food and will authorize the Zim farmers settled in Nigeria to export to Zim some of their produce.

Lunatic bloodthirsty Mugabe had other means at his fingertips to exercise closer control on the use of natural resources of the country instead of grabbing well administered farms! One means was to tax the farms output and set up a special fund out of the proceeds to finance the setting up and operations of black farms.

That is what RSA and Namibia are doing. But criminal Mugabe had to play devillishly on the emotiuons of Zimbos to distract them away from his own policy failures.

Who said devil Mugabe was a patriot? Rather a demoniac with greed to grab as the main motive.

I’m happy that the white Zimbabwean farmers are…sort of doing well in Nigeria. They are wanted in Nigeria, they are a political liability in Zimbabwe. Also, not fully appreciated in Zimbabwe, as maybe Nigeria. But, I sense that things are not as rose as potrayed in the article. No electricity, no good road, problem with credit, criminals (Nigeria is know for that) and the weather is terrible in Nigeria.

Phiri, you're such an idiot-like your fellow south africans, who will sit in their crime infested country and be talking baldadash. What do you know about Nigeria? Our weather and environment? Your statements shows how much of a foul you are and wallowing in your stupidity you're writting for all to see. The zimbos that came to your country were blacks like you yet you kill them for not committing crime you stuck on them. The crime taking place in RSA in a day will only be equal to two decades of crime in Nigeria if you must know. Even those Delta boys that are in the news for all sorts of kidnapping did not kill people as your criminal brothers and sisters in South Africa does. Never you comment about our good gesture and nature to spoil our good people because of the few eastern Nigerians(Igbos) in Joburg which you help produce on your bloodbath streets. You must school yourself and the rest of your never-do-well poorly educated ignorant blacks that parade themselves as saints. the point is get you facts and figures right before you comment. sis!

Well said my brother and thanks.

baysol200, I am highly disappointed to note that you are a fellow Nigerian. You stooped too low by exhibiting your tribal backstabbing tendencies against a fellow Nigerian, in the international media. It marks the pinnacle of your irresponsibility.

Why must you make the Igbo man your punching bag and satanize him even when you are engaged in verbal tirades with a non-Nigerian? Must you betray, lie and indulge in character assassination against your fellow Nigerian to make your disjointed point?

The Igbos would never dignify the stupidity and cowardice of your tribe by joining issues with you. We have to continue to ignore the provocation you churn out everyday in your effort to gain our attention. You people have done everything humanly possible to stifle and reduce the igboman to paupers. But God has always been on our side.

Despite what you people did after the Nigerian civil war regarding the Igbo people properties; you people have continued to dominate the government and civil service. What is the result?: you people have looted the economy of Nigeria and reduced the country to a glorified shanty town thriving is lawlessness.

Love us or hate us; we Igbos are what we are. We are covered by the blessings of the Lord, and there is nothing you can do about it.

Nothing could be more depressing to an individual’s wellbeing to see a friend making progress. This is the problem you people have with the Igbos.

B2000, I think you missed Phiri's point. Phiri was merely commenting on the reality of the situation.A situation even the farmers themselves admitted whilst at the same time giving a signals of hope , when a government chooses to work with those who CAN DO. Unfortunately Africa is at a stage whereby it must have better relationships with the outside world and cannot move forward whilst it is being held to ransom by opportunistic despot dictators and factional criminals .

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Richerson88, I do not agree with you. Anybody has a right to make a living wherever they can find success. I do wish them the best. I neither love them or hate them.

Jabba88, is a rapid response idiot poster for Mugga luvvas.Pay absolutely no attention to his hate based posts.

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Phiri, you've made this a black vs. white thing far too long. In Europe, it was discovered a century ago (when everyone there was white) that banishing wealthy farmers for any reason would only result in famine in the places they were evicted from, and a surplus of food in the places they were banished to. In the birthplace of socialism, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the wealthy farmers in the fertile Ukraine were branded "kulaks," and evicted to Siberia so their land could be handed over to the poorer farmers. The result was that the farms in the Ukraine collapsed, while the ice fields of Siberia soon became the sole source of food for the entire USSR. Only cabbage and potatoes could be grown there, of course, which is why Russians eat those foods almost exclusively to this day, and the blins (wheat pancakes) that were a staple of Russian cuisine for a thousand years can now only be purchased from other countries.

It's not a black farmer/white farmer thing... it's what happens every single time you base your actions on hate for the wealthy, rather than recognizing the simple fact that wealthy people have skills and talents that poor people can never develop, no matter how much they are taught or how hard they try.

I am a new Black Zimbabwean farmer (since 2003) who benefited from the so-called chaotic land reform programme. I have left my Executive Job in the transport industry in June 2008 to take full time farming after 28 years of service. I am doing dairy, tobacco, beef and ostrich. I obviously replaced one white farmer who is still in Zimbabwe and now in the fishing industry. Coincidentally we have become very good friends after I bought part of his dairy cows, beef herd and farm equipment when he moved from the farm. I would like to give a word of caution to the Zimbabwean Farmers who left Zimbabwean for greener pasture elsewhere in Africa. Remember each country has indigenous populace; integrate them in your farming activities to save you moving forever. If you behave as if old colonial masters the way you did in Zimbabwe you isolate yourselves create your own class system that obviously will be envious of the local populace and with time create animosity. If there is justification to push, you out you are on the move again. As you a nearer West, this time it will be metropolis Europe. All I am saying to my Zimbabwean white farmers integrate the local people in what you do. That makes moral sense and you become part of the country you are farming in. You had an opportunity in Zimbabwe to take some of us aboard in your farming activities in Zimbabwe since 1980 - 2000, but you preferred to develop an exclusive club of white farmers through the likes of CFU. See how it comes down like a deck of cards. Once beaten twice shy.

How you you propose anyone integrate anyone into there farming with most farmers use modern best farming practices and machinery needing only themselves and one other to farm 2000 acres of broad-acre grain?? Even modern dairies only need two people to run a dairy farm of 200-500 cows because of there mechanisation.

Did you become good at your job over the last 25 years in your previous vocation? I would imagine your answer will be yes! Well this is how long it takes to become very good at any type of farming. What you forget and have pointed out, is that the way the farms have been acquired has stripped Zim totally of its farming knowledge base. You know as well as i do that without the advice you receive and have received from the former owner, you would be farm from productive at this point in time! Modern farming knowledge take many, many years to acquire as there are so many variables to running a viable productive farm in all types of weather conditions that a farm sees over decades. As i would imagine because of the circumstance the farmer was put in you bought his cattle and equipment for much less than they are actually worth!!!!!! We both know with the person being forced into that circumstance you would never have been able to afford or get the finance to acquire the farm in the state you have it. No bank will lend money for farming without that person having farming experience.

My problem is not the land going back to the people but in the fashion it has been done. You to be a bit thick if you think farmers like myself from other countries{i am not from Zim and none of may family have ever been from Zim} that know farming back to front,from 30 years of farming, don't realise the true depth of the farm acquisitions in Zim which is not just a land issue but pure blackmail when the farmer only gets around 10% of the true value of there stock and equipment! When you get {or anyone does in Zim for that matter} 10-12 tonnes to the hectare of sorghum dry land, broad acre farming {this is the highest in the world} from your farm with only two{myself and worker} people working the farm, then tell me how to farm and how others should farm! I understand what you say in principle but in practice it is not a viable option. If you work hard yourself you don't need others to work for you!

Black Zimbabwean farmer, I'm happy to hear your commitment to farming in Zimbabwe. Some black Zimbabwean farmers have not been successful at farming and they are a disgrace to Zimbabwe! I have also met a very successful black Zimbabwean farmer.

I do agree with you that white minority farmers failed to intergrate with the locals and at times were disdainful toward the majority. That has been my argument for a while, that they forgot that they lived in Zimbabwe and not in the UK or Cape Town, South Africa!

i agree with what you say and think that every country in this modern age has to become part of that country and people for them to respect that country and do well in that country. It is a shame that many that think like that have had the same treatment as those that could not care less!

My point is that in modern farming you only need a few people to farm 1000's of acres! This means there is no real chance to do what the person before our posts suggested and being a person that has just started farming his knowledge on the subject is next to useless and shows he does not understand the subject at all!

My concern for the good people of Zim is the way it has been done and what is being said by mugabe and regime means no person or company would dream of taking the risk of buying land or investing in Zim. It makes the world know they are not welcome. The saying goes"money talks and the rest can walk" but in Zim for 30 years, money talks for a week and then you can just walk away from your money and your investment because there are no rules at all except ones that change day to day depending on what mugabe and regime need themselves and not for the country and its people. Anyone that thinks mugabe and regime care about the people of Zim is kidding themselves. If you think they do name what they have had to go without while there people starve and die!

If African farmers can produce as much as the Whites, then great! However, if Africans cannot produce as much as Whites, then let the white man be. It can take years to change from european to african. Be patient. Ruining the Zim economy in the short term is not the answer.

Catwabi1, your argument that if black farmers cannot grow more food than whites, then whites should farm is an old argument that never got white Zimbabwean farmers anywhere. If black farmers cannot farm as well as white, then they should be trained and appropriate blacks should go into farming. I hate to say this, but white farmers in Zimbabwe were a bad mix for the natives. And the usual “High anglo” road taken by many in white Zimbabweans has been a bad fit for the country. White Zimbabwean farmers have been in Nigeria for the last 5 – 10 years and they are still talking about roads and electricity etc this clearly is not progress. They do not have much to show. They are at the same level as black Zimbabwean farmers in Zimbabwe.

A thief giving advice.

Munh, let me congratulate you on a job very well done. You are one of the few who can do the job, you strike me as a very clever person. Willig to take the reigns and strinking out for a better Zimbabwe.

You guys want to politicize these farmers success ,and some of you are trying to stereotype Zimbabweans as people who appreiate whites,thus blatant racism.Not all Zimbabwean hate whites,not all Zimbabweans grabbed farms from whites ,so i would rather say let us be fair and stop making negative comment to appease our own personal agendas.Remember the mement you insult a Zimbabwean and you are white,the moment someone reads it as all whites hate us!I ma a Zimbabwean doing very well in South Africa,working with whites but in Zimbabwe i was an enermy!

Kudos to Kwara state governor. Other state governors should learn lessons from Kwara state especially the Niger delta region governors whose annual budgets are even more than some countries in Africa, yet you cannot see any development in their area. I am now thinking of relocating my business to Kwara state because of recent report that its capital now has stable electricity supply, this is also due to the governors effort.

The governors of the Niger Delta region where I am from only steal our money and launder them in places like South Africa to give idiot such as the last contributor who call himself Phiri opportunity to abuse our country. A true African should be wise enough these days to realise that we want Africa to be better and to do that we cannot continue to portray ourselves negatively for other continents to laugh it.

The former Edo stat governor, Lucky Igbinedion who we heared has luxury estates, Refinery and other assets in South Africa, helping to develop South Africa with our stolen money should have learnt some lesson from the Kwara State governor.

If all the 36 states can just pick up one area of commercial agriculture and encourage investors to do what they are doing in Kwara state, then Nigeria would feed itself and feed other African nations, that would stop internation TV stations showing hungry people in Africa and restore some credibility and pride to our dear continent.

I am for anyone of any race, colour or creed making a success of anything in any walks of life. Farming anywhere can only be good for everyone involved.

Munhuinou, why don't you just be honest and say outright that you forced that farmer out from his land instead of saying you "replaced" him. With whose authority and what greater knowledge in farming then did you have to "replace" that man? I suppose you are friends with that Zimbabwean white farmer so that no sooner does he develop his fishing industry there you will be salivating and grabbing at that too. You are today's pirates who instead of sailing the seas to rob other ships you are staking out those white farmers to grab what they have already successfully developed because you lazy sods do not want to develop virgin land as they did. How many black Zimbabweans have YOU yourself trained and helped to run a farm? I bet none and I bet you will never do so as you would never want to share your ill begotten loot with someone else. Your eyes will always be set on whose farm to steal next.

They can make all the progress they want but the Nigerians are not going to take the nonsense perpetrated in Zimbabwe.From the onset, we did,nt accept their being allowed into any other country in Africa and we still stand by that. The European racist farmers (imperialist tails) will not find it funny if they resort to their dirty and wicked tactics applied against the Zimbabweans,the Nigerians will check their every moves in Nigeria. It,s still early days, but we,ll reiterate that they deserve no favours if we,re to open our history books but if they still are to operate,everything should be done to show them their boundaries.We,ll never forgive the decendants and offsprings of the rapists and thieves of the African people and their heritage, in fact the die is cast, you,ll never find peace in Africa for all you and your evil and criminal ancestors have done in Africa,we,ll watch you all the way and if need be make you eat your excrement right here on the African continent.We owe you nothing, instead, you owe us so much and will be made to pay as you continue to act greedily,racistically and in evil ways right here. You should pay through your long ugly nose to do anything in Africa, or go back to your EUROPE to farm there,we don,t want you here in the first place. Africans must watch their every moves right here,they are green snakes,set fire to the fields and burn them of if need be.

What a disgusting piece of work you are displaying of youself Rafil. Sounding very much like the racist swine yourself, Africa is a part of the whole that makes up this amazing phenomenon called life.I suggest you get a life and enjoy what you have left of it.

Rafil, obviously Zimbabwean white farmers are free to be invited in any country. Nigeria invited them, and so did Zambia, Malawi, Botswana and Mozambique. The results by these farmers were mixed. To hear about the so-called success after 10 years is a lie. When you examine some of the elemental things they are still talking about, such as hactres per farmer, road etc you know that the aticle is largely a propaganda article. Zimbabwe white farmers are no longer welcome in Mozambique, Zambia or even friendly Botswana. They are largely viewed as problematic white people who have no respect for the local culture or political systems. Nigerians will just continue to swindle Zimbabwean white farmers until they leave or die. South African white farmers and investors tried Nigerian and it was a disaster of a million magnitude. White Zimbos in Nigeria, good luck!!!!

Phiri - you are a backward ignorant racist. Your reasoning is as twisted as zim is hopelessly foundering. It will take another 10 years of suffering to prove your racist "black-power" entitlement ideologue completely bankrupt as integrated countries are successful.

Phiri you are the other Herald in these posts exaggerating on issues and seeing nothing positive about anything white including those Zimbabweans farmers. Even though there are those who kept to themselves, I cannot believe that ALL white farmers did not assimilate with the black Zimbabweans. Your assumption that these farmers are not wanted in other parts of Africa is your wishful thinking. Zambia's agriculture is booming today. During Kaunda days the farms that had been taken away from whites simply reverted to bush whilst the Zambian people starved, but today see what these Zimbabwean farmers are producing. I suggest you speak to President Rupiah Banda there. Those Zimbabwean farmers who went to Nigeria were INVITED by the Kwara State government and the very weather you criticize shows your ignorance because that very temperature is conducive to the fertility and great growth of the commodities these farmers are into. Those farmers not only had their travel expenses paid for by the Kwara State government, but they were welcomed, got to meet the President, vice president and bank officials. Doesn't look to me like people who went begging as you imply. Besides the cultivating of the much needed cassava and all its by-products, some are raising chickens, dairy, some gone into growing the yellow sweet potato, first researched in Kampala, Uganda, which is rich in vitamin A and iron, and others invited to Lagos to raise pigs. If those in rural areas do not have good roads and electricity, then it is because the government often times moves slowly so the farmers continue using generators. One thing, these farmers are much happier in Nigeria than they ever were in Zimbabwe. The Nigerian people are intelligent and willing to learn, and together they vow " to make Nigeria the California of Africa."

Very good Kjrs, I fully agree 231 million%.

Krjs120, Zimbabwe White farmers in Zambia, Mozambique and even Botswana have not done well! They have had credit problems, loan problems and even in the subject article in Nigeria they are still talking hactres, roads etc. It has not been easy for them at all. When they approached the Zambian gov't for loans, Zambian officials refused to extend loans or credit to them.

During the heyday of white Rhodesia farming, loans, credit to white farmers was easy. They also found the gov't willing to deal with them. But, as soon as the left Zimbabwe a good number went bankrupt. Most of them also have real failed to farm in South Africa. These are facts!!! They are not in a good position where ever they are! most are over 65 years old and with little prospect of passing their farms to the next generation. You can call me whatever you Krjs!

Phiri, you state of the white farmers - "They are not in a good position where ever they are! Most are 65 years old with little prospect of passing their farms to the next generation. These are facts." Phiri, what bloody facts? DUH! What prospects would they have of passing on those farms when you are beating, grabbing and stealing the farms from them and what child in their right mind would consider settling in Zimbabwe with the law of the jungle when there are so many countries from which to lead a settled life? Of course new ventures are always difficult to get off the ground more so when you are in a new country without a track record of credit worthiness. If you Zimbabwe Mugabe thieving pigs would give these farmers a fair market value for their homesteads, livestock crops and all farming equipment, they would have the necessary cash to satisfy the banks for new loans to start anew. So Phiri don't even try to make it look like these farmers are worthless because NONE are retuning to beg in your country. YOU are the raw and disparate ones grappling and scratching at each other for those farms and everything else as if you have never seen civilization before. Presently you have Edna Madzongwe who with an expired document from Didymus Mutasa, is illegally squatting in the citrus estate belonging to the Etheridge family in Chegutu and killing a man for stealing a handful of lousy oranges. Talk of bloody jungle bunnies.

Krjs120, I think you are missing the point here. Many people in Zimbabwe support land reform and a tiny minority white population is aganist it! What are the chances that a tiny white, former oppressor will privail in this?. They do not have political support. If white farmers are attacked, there is no back up from the police....Is it not time to recognize reality and move to something else. Right now things do not look good for them!! They do not have the support of the people of Zimbabwe. You are also denying reports, even from white farmers themselves that their adventure to farmer in Zambia, Mozambique and Malawi has been a total failure!! Many have gone bankrupty, and not to speak of those who have become destitute. What is wrong with facing reality and want you are up against. Actually, I'm pro-white farmers, because I recognize what contribution they have made to Zimbabwe. However, I think there are many issues that are unresolved right now.

Phiri, YOU are missing the point. There is a difference between lawful "land reform" and the beating, violence and murder of people together with whom that "land reform" is supposed to be achieved. Don't steal from these farmers. Give them a fair market value of what they own and let them go. Why do you think they struggle in other countries? Because you greedy sods have even kept their farming equipment and all other personal property which they have invested personal large sums of money whether through bank loans or other sources. YOU black Zimbabweans are part of a minority in the Western countries. How would YOU like those governments to beat maim, kill and say that every Zimbabwean must pack and go within 24 hours and leave everything behind with no compensation for any personal property. I bet you Phiri would have the biggest mouth and the loudest condemnation of such an action. Why? Because it is a wrong action. If your reasons for your cruelty to these white farmers is because they were "oppressors," then why are you not chasing out Robert Mugabe and the Zanu-PF who are oppressing you right now? The white farmers were born in Zimbabwe just as Robert Mugabe was, their ancestors came from other lands just as Robert Mugabe's and most of yours were. Why are you not being told to go? The name Phiri is Malawian so even YOU do not belong to Zimbabwe. You were once called a Nyasa from Nyasaland. It is all just a pretense from you and many of your racist kind about not liking what is happening to these minority farmers. Compensate them. Give them the 20 billion dollars they are seeking through the courts of law.

Krjs120, classic bitter white minority Rhodesian!!! You are saying Cecil Rhodes, Ian Smith followed any land rules in Southern Africa? You have to be joking!! You are full of white lies and theories about Zimbabwe. The Majority make the rules not the minorities. I live in Southern Africa and I know southern Africa names. But, you Fool - names on this blog are suppossed to be synmousness...Get it ...You can use whatever name you want to protect your ID. And what does Krjs120 mean??? I'm pretty sure it is not your name. What a joke you are!

Phiri, you are right that the non de plumes we use are for anonymity, and I apologies for my oversight of that fact. Nonetheless, no matter who you are, you are still just as much a squatter in Zimbabwe as the rest of them. Just as much as I might have been mistaken about your tribe, YOU are definitely wrong about my being Rhodesian.

Phiri to continue. I think you are very silly to insinuate that Ian Smith and Cecil Rhodes did not have laws regarding the land. Silly because YOU yourselves are lawless. If your whole system of government was better than that of the colonials, then you would be justified to criticize them. But just look at you. Absolutely nothing to be proud of. What are you doing with the land you are snatching from the white farmers? You are just throttling each other for it. What are you doing torturing and killing each other? What are you doing destroying your land so much? What are you doing making refugees of millions of your people? Even elephants are more humane, mourn and feel more for one another better than you do. You have gone to the dogs. You have even abandoned your own currency for that of other nations, meaning you have thrown in the towel and you have totally rejected yourselves. Looking back, your Mugabe is nothing compared to the management skills Ian Smith had of running a country. If it were not for the racial discrimination suppression and oppression of black people by Ian Smith, he would have gone down as a great manager of Zimbabwe. Lastly, I am still waiting for that list of those sanctions against Zimbabwe and also would like to know what "white lies and theories" I have made about Zimbabwe.

Krjs120, I absolutely disagree with you suggesting that land issues during Ian Smith and Cecil Rhodes involved a great deal with "Law and Order". That is a lie and propaganda by Rhodesians who refuse to own up to the past problems.Land grab started with white settlers and it continued thru Ian Smith by way of separate and equal areas, white only areas, hut tax etc

You Rhodesian whites have never owned up to issues of land in Zimbabwe. It appears that you and I will never see eye to eye on this issue. I do not care about that either. In fact I welcome it. Most of us would like to restore land issues that addresses people who truely need farm land and away from politics etc. But this does involve owning up to the past problems and current issues. White Rhodesians can never solve this problem. Negotiations over 20 years did not achieve anything acceptable to the majority. You, Rhodesians are a small minority group in Zimbabwe that is probably the most polirazing group. You need to tone down???

Phiri according to you the land grab started with the colonials and ended the with Ian Smith. But what do you call what you are doing to the white farmers today? See, you are biased. I don't really know what you mean by "Rhodesian farmers." Are you saying then that you are grabbing farms from those who are Rhodesian only? If you are saying that then you are fibbing because there are Zimbabwean white farmers being terrorized by you. What exactly do you also mean by saying that these people should tone down? If you expect these people to take your shit lying down then you'll have a rude awakening because it won't happen. They are entitled to defend themselves because you are going about it the wrong way. Since you have blacks born in Rhodesia including Mugabe, yourself and many other oldies, and you have whites born in Rhodesia, what or who is termed a "Zimbabwean?"

Krjs120, I also implicated Zanu-pf as land grabers as well...Read my earlier comments......I also know that they are white farmers in Zimbabwe that are not Rhodesian or Britons. There are french, Belgiums, Dutch farmers as well that bought farmers in the early 80's and are not tied up to the colonial/settler Briton invasions...I know you are very emotional about the issue

Phiri, Kjrs, Look the problem as I see it is like this . The pioneer column when the entered the land of Mwenamatapa/matabeleland, the rudd concession with Lobengula was a white wash because Lobengula couldn't read or write, so he didn't really know that he was giving the rights to the whites to mashonaland. The land of the mashona was divided up to the pioneers and they were given tracts of land. That's according to the whitemans history books. I can understand why the blackman got upset, no two ways about it, this was the old school white people who left England as the worker to the lords and they wanted that sort of life. If they had of learnt from their experiences back in England, they would of known that if they treated other people the way they had been treated then they would not of treated the black man in the same way. If the white man had of treated the blackman with the same respect as they respected each other, then i can tell you now Zimbabwe would not be in the mess it is in. But in the same breath , you get the likes of Bob, who thinks in the same way as pioneering whiteman.But he wants everything for a few elected few and to hell with everyone else. He wants everything, and he is hell bent on destroying everything the "invaders" built up. Remember one thing , the whiteman could not build Rhodesia without the help of the blackman. Zimbabwe needs both white and black. We all want fairness, rule of law and justice. Why destroy what has been built, that's just stupidity.Bob is not very clever. Morgan Tsvangarai I believe is the right person to strike the balance. Everyone needs one another for a better place. The more fighting, the less developement. This land redistribution is more about vengeance than being equalality. When more people start to realise not to go down the same route of destruction as what has happened time and again only then will Zimbabwe go forward. When everyone starts to respect one another, no matter who they are, thats when reconcilliation sets in . Remember also love is free but respect is earned. Beat a person for long enough, they will eventually turn on you.

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Richerson88, what on earth are you smoking? Lay off that mbanje. See how it is exposing yourself.