Author: juhlman
Wed Jul 1 07:32:34 2009

Yes, I agree......

"The benchmarks we have set are not for the EU, but for ourselves. There is commitment to ensuring these benchmarks are met,"

When the benchmarks set by the GPA are fulfilled, the EU and the US will agree to engage with Zimbabwe.

When Comrade Gono is gone from the RBZ, when Comrade Thomana is gone from the AG's office, when ZANU-PF truly shows a sincere effort in implementing the GPU, when property rights are respected in ZImbabwe, when draconian media laws are repealed, when an independent press is allowed to function............ WHEN THE POLICE/CIO STOP BEATING AND KIDNAPPING PEOPLE!

Yeah, when all of the above (and more) things transpire in Zimbabwe, then there will be genuine aid delivered to the suffering people of Zimbabwe. Until then, bupkis.........

"Total Empowerment!" - ironic that the Herald or ZANU-PF appartchiks feel compelled to lecture those who are feeding half of their nation's population about their internal affairs..........

If you beg for scraps, you don't complain about what you get............ Zimbabwe has been forced to beggar status by ZANU-PF and it's no wonder no one wants to do business with them.........

But I forgot........ Zimbabwe is now "Totally Empowered!" (it's ZANU-PF's slogan, not mine - how well did ZANU-PF deliver on their proimse to "totally empower" Zimbabwe?) so Zimbabwe doesn't need any foreign aid - right?

"Total Empowerment!"

Author: upliftdarace_144
Wed Jul 1 17:09:45 2009

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Author: juhlman
Thu Jul 2 06:18:10 2009

"Uplift".........it's on!

Since Mr. "Upliftdarace" likes to cut-&-paste, please allow me to respond in kind...........

Mr. Uplift:

I grew tired of your cut-&-paste doggerel, so I decided to fact-check your claims that Black Africans actually “invented” the things you have claimed they did (courtesy of the Black Inventors Museum in Los Angeles, California). Most of your claims are out and out WRONG or complete fabrications! Maybe you’ve heard of this “invention” called Wikipedia?

I have put counter-claims to your assertions that Black Africans “invented” many of the things you claim they have. As a matter of FACT it is somewhat disingenuous of you NOT to mention that most of these “inventors” were people of African descent living in the United States (coincidence? I think not)! I have placed contrary evidence to your assertions in parentheses directly underneath each of your fallacious assertions:

(You said:)

“HERE’S SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT BLACK AFRICANS HAVE DONE : BLACK AFRICAN INVENTORS AND THEIR INVENTIONS” The type of Invention is capitalized (e.g. TRAFFIC SIGNAL, MOTOR, etc..) Here are some major Black Africans who have had an impact on the world With their initiative These are INVENTORS . This Listing includes The Inventor’s Name, Their Invention and in some cases the date the invention was recognized and the invention’s U.S. patent number.

(Following this, you began with the following "examples" to prove your hypothesis:)

- Sarah Boone - IRONING BOARD - April 26, 1892

(Ironing Board - On 16 February 1858 W. Vandenburg and J. Harvey patented an ironing table that made pressing sleeves and pant legs easier.[4] A truly portable folding ironing board was first patented in Canada in 1875 by John B. Porter of Yarmouth, Nova Scotia. The invention also included a removable press board used for sleeves.)

Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironing_board

Ms. Boone actually “invented” an “improved” ironing board but did not, in fact, “invent” the ironing board:

Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African_American_inventors_and_scienti sts

• John A. Burr - LAWN MOWER

(The first lawn mower was invented by Edwin Budding in 1827 in Stroud, Gloucestershire. Budding's mower was designed primarily to cut the lawn on sports grounds and expensive gardens as a superior alternative to the scythe and was patented in 1830.)

Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawn_mower

Mr. Burr did actually receive a patent for a “rotary” lawn mower, but did NOT “invent” the lawn mower.

Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African_American_inventors_and_scienti sts

• Marie V. Brittan Brown - HOME SECURITY SYSTEM - Dec 2, 1969

Ms. Brown actually invented the VIDEO home security system, NOT the HOME SECURITY SYSTEM.

Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African_American_inventors_and_scienti sts

• Buridge & Marshman – TYPEWRITER

(Per Wikipedia: “No single person invented the typewriter. As with the automobile, telephone, and telegraph, a number of people contributed insights and inventions that eventually resulted in commercially successful instruments. In fact, historians have estimated that some form of typewriter was invented 52 times as tinkerers tried to come up with a workable design.[1]

In 1714, Henry Mill obtained a patent in Britain for a machine that, from the patent, appears to have been similar to a typewriter, but nothing further is known.Other early developers of typewriting machines include Pellegrino Turri, who also invented carbon paper. Many of these early machines, including Turri's, were developed to enable the blind to write.)

- A Black guy (Burridge or Marshman) might’ve designed a “better” typewriter, but they definitely did NOT “invent” the typewriter.

Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typewriter

• George Carruthers - X-RAY MACHINE

(Shay M. Anderson and Ryan W. Preuninger formulated mathematical equations for X-rays. Physicist Johann Hittorf observed tubes with energy rays extending from a negative electrode. William Crookes investigated the effects of energy discharges on rare gases. Heinrich Hertz began experimenting and demonstrated that cathode rays could penetrate very thin metal foil (such as aluminium). In 1887, Nikola Tesla began to investigate X-rays and produced the bremsstrahlung process. In 1895, Wilhelm Röntgen began observing and further documenting X-rays while experimenting with vacuum tubes.

One of the first X-ray photographs was made of the hand of Röntgen's wife. The image displayed both her wedding ring and bones. as the new scientific wonder and seized upon by entertainers. Circus patrons viewed their own skeletons and were given pictures of their own bony hands wearing silhouetted jewelry.)

Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-ray_machine

Again, Mr. Carruthers may actually have designed a “better” x-ray machine, but it is dishonest to suggest he “invented” the x-ray machine.

• George Washington Carver - PEANUT BUTTER - PAINTS – PAINT STAINS – ETC

NO ONE should ever question the genius of George Washington Carver! (my words)

• John Clark - TRACK ATHLETE TRAINER

(Who? If you’re going to mention athlete’s, then why not Michael Jordan? Why not Pele? Why not Tiger Woods? What about Jackie Robinson or Jesse Owens? And who the hell is John Clark? Is he a footballer?)

• W.A. Dietz – SHOE

(The earliest known shoes date from about 8000 to 7000 BCE and were found in Oregon, USA in 1938.[1] However, the materials used for making shoes (typically tanned leather) do not normally last for thousands of years, so shoes were probably in use long before this. Physical anthropologist Erik Trinkaus believes he has found evidence that the use of shoes began in the period between about 40,000 and 26,000 years ago……)

Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoe

Again, Mr. Dietz may have designed a “better” shoe, but come on! You really expect us to believe this guy “invented” SHOES?

• Joseph Dickinson - PLAYER PIANO - ARM FOR RECORD PLAYER

Who? The explanation it too long to paste, but there's no mention of Mr. Dickinson, here’s the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_piano

• P.B. Downing - POSTAL LETTER BOX

(you’re f*&%’in kidding me, right? – Someone “invented” the mailbox? Hooray!)

• Charles R. Drew - BLOOD PLASMA STORAGE SYSTEM

(Another brilliant mind, but was born & raised in the U.S.!)

• T. Elkins - TOILET (COMMODE)

Another great example! I don’t think there was anyone named ELKINS alive when the toilet was “invented”), too long an explanation, except there’s no mention of any Black “ELKINS” in India in this time period!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet

• Robert Flemming Jr. – GUITAR

DUDE! The Guitar is a 2,000 year-old instrument! How many Black men lived in Greece 2000 years ago!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar

• Cathleen McCoy Garrett SIREN - HORN LIGHT INDICATOR

I won’t even bother explaining why you are wrong, simply because the next one is a perfect example of your dishonest posts!

• George F. Grant - GOLF TEE

(Let me ask you one question on this one? How many Black guys were in Scotland in the 19th century? Mr. Grant clearly did not “invent” the Tee……. He received a patent for a design that was never actually manufactured.

“In 1899, an African-American dentist, Dr. George Franklin Grant obtaned a patent for an "improved golf tee".[3] This tee consisted of a wood cone with a rubber sleeve to support the ball, but it is not known to have ever been marketed.”)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golf_tee

I was going to look at more of your “examples” of great African “inventors” (and I did!), but your “interpretation” of what an “invention” actually IS, is somewhat suspect. Most of these “great innovators” were just adding improvements to devices or concepts that pre-existed their work – THAT IS NOT AN INVENTION!

That’s sort of like me asking what white people (the West) have done with things we actually KNOW black people invented – like fire! Scientists generally agree that mankind originated in Africa (so can we ALL agree that fire is an African “invention?) I mean, who didn’t see “Quest for Fire”?), they probably figured out fire before many of them left for better locations and turned into white people.

Or maybe……….. It’s like asking what Robert Mugabe and his ZANU-PF henchmen have done with Zimbabwe since they inherited it from the racist regime of Ian Smith! Most of the people you mentioned in your encyclopedic diarrhea merely improved on something “invented” by others who happen NOT to be Black! Has Robert Mugabe actually "improved" anything that the racist white man Ian Smith "invented" in ZImbabwe? Maybe the CIO or the Green Bombers.......

Anyway, my original intent was to just tell you to STFU, I knew your “cut-&-paste” posts were factually incorrect, but I wanted others here to know it and to be able to fact-check it themselves so you couldn’t accuse me of lying.

So from now on, STOP with the intellectually dishonest claims that Black people invented THIS or THAT! Besides, I’m not claiming white people are better either, most important stuff was invented by the Chinese 2000 years ago anyway, everything else has just been an evolutionary improvement cycle over something the Chinese “invented” anyway!

Anyway,, if you have anything constructive to the conversation on these boards, then feel free to post them. But don't give us a cut-&-paste serving of sh*te that can't even hold up to a minimum fact-check. You got something to say - say it - just don't post lies, exaggerations and fabrications as some retarded bibliography for your incoherent rantings..........

By the way, I think white people (the West) have done pretty good with fire since it was “invented” by Africans………. What do you think?

Oh my God! I think I’m turning into J-hollow!

“Total Empowerment!”

Author: awt_independent
Tue Jun 30 13:06:50 2009

Dumb Herald!

So the EU is supposed to take the ZANU PF recommendations that the government has met its benchmarks as set in the GPA, and then give them heaps of aid and support.

Bollocks!

The EU is monitoring to take a view whether they should invest money into the place through aid and other means.

Would you lend money to a former murderer without checking to make sure he isnt still murdering first?

Author: rmkooistra
Tue Jun 30 19:32:31 2009

Well said Awt !! And the voteriggers of Zanu Pf do not have the solemandate of the Zimbabwean people anyway. But offcourse they do not want things like that to be monitored.

Author: carlos4
Tue Jun 30 12:43:44 2009

It is hoped that the Nordic's taking over the helm at the EU will give the overworked Ministries some relief in the form of cash. Several busloads of workers from the Ministry of Barbecues were transferred to the Ministry of Menu Subsitutions due to the large back load of unvisited restaurants by the former's exhausted personnel. On a similar note, the rumor of a complaint of a large freshwater turtle being subsituted for a prime beef round at the Ministry of the National Herd buffet table has been silenced. Coincidentally, numerous Co Ministers of the Weights and Measures who brought the original charge were seen driving new SUVs reportedly given to them by an as yet unnamed Eastern donor.

Author: kjrs120
Wed Jul 1 23:46:06 2009

Carlos4, it was stated that Mugabe had the lion's share of that "freshwater turtle" because his false teeth were found stuck to it's backside. Ha ha ha ha.

Author: zola zazu zambezi zulu
Sat Jul 4 09:44:07 2009

Maybe Bob has turned turtle ( to see Somora Machel) . Bob would die of constipation if he could'nt open his mouth.




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