It's good to hear that the MDC-T is coming around and is seeing what has been happening over the past 10 years. I would like to say that everyone on this forum can agree that we all want Zimbabwe to succeed and become prosperous, however I seem to doubt that is the case for all these sanction-deniers who would rather see Zimbabwe starve than admit that the British and their allies share responsibility for this crisis.

These sanctions definitely need to be lifted no questions asked, it is not the United State's place to do Britain's dirty work. Men like Ben Freeth need to stop lobbying DC to intervene even further. What bothers me most is that men like Russ Feingold, which shames me to admit represents my state in the Senate, are also lobbying the Obama administration to increase the intervention not only in Zimbabwe but throughout Africa.

I cannot pinpoint exactly why Washington DC is so intent on increasing the suffering in Zimbabwe, but I can only hope that my country returns to the good old days when we were non-interventionist (pre-WWI) and kicking Europe out of places they didn't belong. Unfortunately, those days are long gone and if Hillary Clinton's recent visit to Pakistan says anything... there's not much hope in them returning anytime soon. And to add another 'unfortunately' to the list, I'm having a hard time finding rational people here [in the US] who also support this viewpoint... most are too busy having "happy thoughts" to bother to ponder the consequences for what's happening right now in their government.

But I have to admit, the evil forces were smart in whom they chose to lead the charge. What better man to subjugate Africa than one who is the son of an African? All I can say to Africa is to keep your eyes open... don't give them an excuse to execute whatever sinister plan they have in mind.

D_Bokk;

Thank you man!! We take your advice very seriously indeed. We will not allow imperialists to "execute whatever sinister plan they have in mind" - our eyes are always wide open even when we go to bed. More so, because an accomplished sellout is occupying the fourth highest office in the land, we will remain vigilant.

We are aware that they have plans upon plans to intervene (in whatever way possible) in Zimbabwe. Last year, they spread and reactivated cholera and then connived with the gay President of Botswana to bomb our country because of the disease they created way back in the 1970s when they were chemically fighting freedom fighters.

To this end, they trained bandits in the puppet country of Botswana the same way they have done around the world – Contra Bandits against the Sandinistas of Daniel Ortega, Mujahedeen against the Soviets, Iraq Kurds against Saddam and many others too numerous to mention.

They have imposed racist, diabolic, barbaric and ruinous sanctions on the people of Zimbabwe for no other reason than that white invaders should continue occupying our heritage. Elsewhere, they have bombed Iraq and Afghanistan for no other reason than to neutralize Muslims. They were accomplices in the bombing of defenseless Palestinian civilians with chemical weapons.

So, it is true that they have plans to effect regime change in Zimbabwe so as to install a puppet govt in our country. Small as we are, we have resisted and will continue to resist these naked machinations.

Being an American, Cde D-Bokk, you will help greatly by continuing to support our just struggle against imperialism, re-colonization or neo-colonialism. You can rest to assured that we will, to the last man; continue to resist domination be it economic, political or cultural.

The imposed sanctions on some of the Zimbabwean government ministers are meant to force them to follow the rule of law, create a fair constitutional process that will allow free and fair elections. Have those objectives been met yet? If not then its going to be an uphill battle to have sanctions removed. Zimbabwe needs to show the citizens of the free world that it is a true democracy then in turn the free citizens of the world can lobby their government leaders to remove sanctions. There are no shortcuts my dear friends.

Sam, what great posting. There is no way whatsoever that Zimbabwe will succeed or be prosperous with Mugabe on the helm. No way. Zimbabwe was starving and deteriorating LONG before the sanctions against him and his associates. All international lending institutions were open to him, he could travel the world over, his fortunes were not frozen, the whole world was (and still is) there for him to trade, there was no major earthquake to throw the whole state of Zimbabwe into such tumult, why then was Zimbabwe so destroyed? Has Mugabe become a better person, different from pre sanctions? The answer is a resounding NO. He is still the same old ogre only preoccupied with stuffing himself, lawlessness and thuggery, the kind of individual you see approaching your door and you do not answer that doorbell. Lifting of Mugabe's sanctions only means rewarding him for all the dastardly things he has done to his people and no one in their right mind will accord him that, and in turn he will continue the path of destruction and everything as was before the sanctions. The people will be no better off because he has neither changed nor has his governance. The life or death of Zimbabwe clearly lies in Mugabe's hands and he jolly well knows it and as you say Sam, no short cuts.

Kjrs, even after hearing from the horse,s mouth(Tendai Biti), you,re still denying,what a pathetic wreck.

Do you actually believe anything that you read in the Harald? It's filled with so much spin and outright lies that I just ignore it. What they print is not facts or news, merely an opinion about the news --- which is often wrong!

Regardless, spin or not, their opinon needs to be challenged. That's what makes democracy great.

Rafil Mugabe impoverished your country in spite of every lending institution out there long before sanctions against him. Why? Before he was sanctioned what was your inflation rate? What was your unemployment rate? He is just a useless stuffed old prune and without MDC, he is capable of nothing but thuggery. As for your Herald, hearing from a horse's mouth would be more credible.

" .. Mugabe impoverished your country .."

Yes. it is our country. And nobody invited you to throw in you idiocy.

If you have anything to offer, then save your western countries that have been teetering on the brink of economic collapse over the past year.

[Don't worry about leaving your white man's imperialist IMFs, World_Banks and UNs behind: They couldn't save the economies of your colonial anti-Africa vile lands. They will be kicked out of Africa in short order.]

" .. your western countries that have been teetering on the brink of economic collapse over the past year. .."

Isn't that the hallmark of evil! Imagine the economies of USA, UK, EU countries teetering on the brink of collapse while the devils are hell-bent on destroying the economy of Zimbabwe - and hence that of the neighboring trading partners. If you are surprised about their evil nature then maybe you have not heard about a rat named cecil rhodes who was praised and knighted by his cursed fellow devils - for having killed many natives - in their own homeland - and exterminated the people of Chief Lobengula - with biological weapons of mass destruction (small pox) ...

Need I give you more examples?

Chokora you also used biological weapons of mass destruction on the early settlers with mosquitoes causing malaria and Black Water fever. Fair?

@sam0111:

How does democracy work in the EU? The vast majority of the people there outright oppose the Lisbon Treaty and their opinions are be trampled upon by their hypocrite governments. At least Zimbabwe had a vote, that's much more than Europe can say.

Maybe fix your own problems at home before you start pointing fingers?

d_bokk what does sam0111 have to do with the European Economic Community?

He's supporting the sanctions given by the EU and USA against Zimbabwe because Zimbabwe is so-called "undemocratic." Yet the EU is on the verge of passing a extremely undemocratic "treaty" (more like a constitution that individual referendums rejected in 2005) with only one state, Ireland, actually sending the federalist treaty to a country-wide vote. And when Ireland rejected the "treaty" they were coerced by multi-billion dollar corporations through advertisements and threats from that rat Sarkozy because they didn't vote the "right way" the first time. The exact same bullying happened with the Czech Republic who is about to put the last signature on the treaty. Even in the UK, the voters were lied to by their own government who said they'd have a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty in order to get elected and all they've done ever since is harass smaller nations like Iceland, Zimbabwe and the islands of Turks and Caicos.

The EU has no right to put sanctions of Zimbabwe or any nation for that matter because they're hypocrites and the epitome of fascism.

Since independence, at what stage has Zimbabwe been democratic? Why did Mugabe kill the thousands of Ndebele, the white farmers and the MDC supporters?

Kjrs120;

You need to define democracy first before asking a silly and stupid question. If Zimbabwe has, at no time, been democratic then no country on this earth is or has been anywhere near being democratic.

Zimbabwe, since independence in 1980 has been the most democratic country in the world. Just take time to define the word and then you will see that this small, landlocked but proud country of DZIMBAHWE fits squarely into the definition.

If you have nothing to say don't just vomit, you will upset good people. Do not allow your imagination to overwhelm your sense of reasoning. You are imagining thousand of Ndebeles, thousands of white farmers and thousand of MDC supporters being killed. Stop dreaming and wake up to the reality on the ground.

The only person who killed thousands of Ndebeles, Shonas, Shanganas, Kalangas, Tongas and Vendas was murderous, racist, barbaric and one-eyed Ian Douglas Smith assisted by the likes of Peter Walls, Kenny Flower, Roy Bennett, David Coltart, Trude Stevenson, and Eddie Cross to name just these few.

takunya, I am going to expose you for the liar that you are by repeating just one of your statements. "Zimbabwe since independence in 1980 has been the most democratic country in the world." Zimbabwe is a dictatorship you lying piece of crap and Zanu-PF a fascist organization. During the liberation war, many died both black, white and coloured but we also know that you had a great hand in the killings of your own people by Zanla in the bush including the rapes and killings of men, women and those young children your "mujiba" and "chimwido." I am not surprised that some of them ran away and escaped with their lives from that situation. When you exonerate Mugabe from the killings of those Ndebele, white farmers and MDC supporters, that is the ultimate shit and I would really want to "vomit" all over you, you lying piece of turd.

@ kjrs120:

How do you explain MDC having the majority in parliament if Zimbabwe is undemocratic? I'd say Mugabe is fairly cool-headed compared to other leaders around the world who are subject to similar foreign interventionism.

It's no wonder people like you grasping for straws by digging up history that has conveniently resurfaced once Mugabe stopped playing along with the games that the British use to maintain colonial control. Maybe I should bring up how the cowardly British used Maxim machine guns to subdue the Ndebele? I agree, the Ndebele got the crap-end of the stick both times... they should get some sort of compensation, like maybe some of the farms that the British stole? Fair compromise, no? Or are you only using the Ndebele to further your own agenda?

D_bokk do you really want me to explain why MDC have a majority in parliament? Very simple and I will tell you a secret as well. MOVEMENT of DEMOCRATIC CHANGE. Get it? These are the people who put those parliamentarians into those seats and NOT Mugabe or Zanu-PF. Some of those MDC voters paid the ultimate price for their belief in democracy - death at the hands of Mugabe and Zanu=PF. Further, just don't fool yourself in thinking that those whom you describe as people like me, are grasping at straws. We are settled, content and comfortable with ten meals a day if we so wish. With you however, people like me are in utter disbelief and disgust that there exist stupid morons like you, real idiots, who within no time at all can totally destroy their own country like ants or dry rot on wood, can kill, starve and steal food from their children and without shame ask people like me for our money and when given that aid, continue their crap. Incredible. Finally, when you describe Mugabe as being "fairly cool-headed in comparison" all you mean is that he has not killed enough people to your liking. How many more lives does Mugabe have to take to satisfy you?

If ZANU-PF is fascist, why would they even allow MDC to run, let alone win, the elections in the first place? Your conspiracy theories make no sense.

I'm an American, by the way. Usually when something's going wrong in my country, the British have a hand in it... like during the Civil War when the British helped prop up the South because the Brits are sore-losers. And now they're up to their same old tricks by funding MDC and are trying to force a regime change.

By cool-headed, I mean Mugabe hasn't done anything to give the UK the excuse they're looking for in order to recolonize Zimbabwe.

d_bokk, "Britain recolonize Zimbabwe?" You have the same stupid mentality like the Zanu-PF termites. As you so approve of Mugabe's reign of terror, why not consider moving to Zimbabwe and see what it is like to shit in the bushes because sewers are broken, get sick and lie on dirty torn sheets crawling with lice and spend the night sleeping in your own vomit because for one, there are no anti emetics and for another, those nurses available have an attitude and don't care whether you live or die. I know the different spectrum of living in America because I spend a lot of time there and by that I mean the rich , the middle class, the poor and the very homeless who push their belongings on grocery store shopping carts. If you knew who was deliberately causing those people to sleep under freeways, would you happily encourage and support them? This is what Mugabe will ultimately achieve for Zimbabwe encouraged by idiots like you who have never experienced what it is to be poor in an African country run by a murderous dictator and if SADC leaders do not see that the unity governance is implemented, and real soon, as MDC is running out of patience. Mugabe alone is useless. So go to Zimbabwe but one thing, Mugabe will not have you living in his palace. As a foreigner and a nothing, you will have to boot-lick and kiss his ass like the rest of them.

The way you describe Zimbabwe, I actually thought for a second that you had genuine concern for the people in Zimbabwe, but then I remember despite all of this faux concern you still support the sanctions.

Because even fascists make mistakes, and occasionally let their people a moment of freedom.

They then react pretty much like Mugabe reacted, first trying to take back control by trying to declare the votes against them fraudulent, and if that doesn't work, falling back on the old "might makes right" rule... "If there is a district that votes for [Tsvangirai] in the runoff, that district will be crushed by ZANU tanks the next day." - Mugabe, May 16, 2008

And, after this "mistake," why did they allow MDC to take their seats in parliament? Your explanations aren't making any sense, a fascist government would burn down their parliament building, blame the opposition and become president for life. The opposite reaction occurred in the ZANU-PF, they allowed MDC to take their seats and withstood all the insults that those children in the MDC could throw at them.

By the way, do you have a link for that quote? I couldn't seem to find it anywhere.

d_bokk, don't try to make it look as though a fascist government has a set of written rules to follow. There is no concise definition but there are numerous different ways the fascist government of Mugabe has presented itself as one of racism and fascism. Mugabe has been holding onto power and propping himself up through intimidation, beating up of voters and cheating at the poles for the last 30 years. His government forbids and suppresses openness by censorship and suppresses opposition to his government by burning homes and killing those who oppose him. Further more Mugabe preys on the weak and is creating perpetual conflict between the black and white races in his country by mantras of incitement of hate and allowing free reign of indiscriminate beatings and killings of white farmers. If you are born in Zimbabwe but your skin is white, you have neither rights nor are you considered a citizen unless you lick his ass. Just this week Mugabe has revealed and established his significant fascist control over private enterprise by demanding that Zimbabweans hold majority shares in those private enterprises. When Kenneth Kaunda of Zambia was president, his fascist government tried the same shit and the business owners packed up, and closed their businesses and Zambia was left in a lurch with no foreign exchange, no work for the people plus the copper mines laying off workers as copper prices were at their lowest, no food in the country and Zambians starved with the children paying the highest price of malnutrition kwashiorkor and all other maladies leading to death. To you, everything may look like fun and games in Zimbabwe because you are sitting with rights afforded you as an American citizen. Step out and oppose Mugabe and see first hand what happens. I can assure you, you and all your family will be huddled into your home and all set on fire and this is no Steven King fiction.

Kjrs, you need to stop concerning yourself with a land that is not your own. Of all people, the British should be focusing on how they were swindled into creating the United States of Europe -- if you're looking for fascism you need only look out your window and realize that where Stalin failed, Sarkozy and Gordon Brown have succeeded.

Zimbabwe is fully capable of solving their own problems, they don't need a bunch of international gangsters to make decisions for them. What's more dangerous is for these gangsters to succeed and perfect another means of regime change, one that requires starvation and the degeneration of infrastructure to turn peoples against their leaders. Holding a nation hostage by dangling money over their heads is cowardly and needs to be opposed regardless of whatever sappy (ir)rationale is used to support it.

D_bokk it is very ironic that you should say to me "You need to stop concerning yourself with land that is not your own." Is the land of Zimbabwe YOUR own? How come you are posting here and I quote some of what you have said, and quote, " I cannot pinpoint exactly why Washington DC is so intent on increasing the suffering in Zimbabwe." Is that not showing concern for land that is also not yours especially when you totally divorced yourself from Africa when you stated, " I'm an American by the way," leaving no doubt in anyone's mind that you are not Zimbabwean? Zimbabwe may not be my land but it is the homeland of a member of my family. Where you support Mugabe's rule of dictatorship and shit, I do not. I do not care who is president in Zimbabwe but as long as there is change of the situation whereby dictatorship no longer rules the people, but where people enjoy the freedoms that both you and I enjoy in our respective countries. What is so wrong about that? All Mugabe has to do is change of mind from the rule of lawlessness and brutality to entrenching democracy and human rights. That's it. It is time for SADC leaders to work harder in helping bring that about. Since British colonization, the Smith regime and to the Mugabe regime, Zimbabwe has NEVER known true freedom. Millions of Zimbabweans are now scattered all over the place as refugees, some seeking asylum in Western countries in fear of ruthlessness by Mugabe back home - an exodus of Zimbabwean people that never happened even during colonial or Rhodesian days. America is a great country with freedoms and I am surprised that you would not want Zimbabweans to experience those freedoms by your support of such a violent regime. How many Zimbabweans has Mugabe killed so far?

Your quote of me, kjrs, should have explained to you why I'm posting here. So long as my government and Europe insists on making the situtation in Zimbabwe worse, I will voice my opinion in opposition to them. You, kjrs, and the EU and Washington DC are destructive forces in this conflict who aim only to fulfill their own selfish agenda and ensure no other developing country dare to take back what's theirs.

What convinced me that MDC was in the wrong was BBC's coverage of the 2008 election with their transparent propaganda and the foreign interventionism. I don't, for one minute, trust their "analysts," "experts" and "correspondents" who create the talking points you can't go one post without regurgitating. They outright refused to acknowledge the shared responsibility for the deteriorating situation in Zimbabwe and threw all the blame on the West's newest bogyman.

And its funny you mention refugees as your country is getting ready to send back 30,000 rejected asylum seekers at the beginning of next year because, as they claim, Zimbabwe is "improving." They said this about a few weeks after Tsvangirai began his charade of pulling out of the unity government. Even your own government doesn't believe its own lies.

By the way, elections in America are carefully choreographed and there's almost a zero percent chance that we would ever have an election with two candidates who are as diametrically opposed as Mugabe and Tsvangirai. The Democrats and Republicans are more or less one party who finds a few trivial reasons to pretend to argue. Our "freedoms" aren't going to last, its only a matter of time until they take them all away -- but at least we aren't under constant surveillance by CCTV, to bad your farce democracy can't say the same.

Hey d_bokk, you do not own this site and no one anointed you to be the only one to express their views here. Your problem is that you are a Mugabe stooge who supports his government of destruction and violence whilst being insensitive to the ordinary Zimbabwean who wants a life of peace and stability FROM THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT OF MUGABE who is totally responsible for all the destructiveness, death and misery in their lives, and the reason why they turned out in full force in support of MDC. What an appalling record for Mugabe to have "30,000 rejected asylum seekers" on top of Millions of others who are refugees mainly in South Africa and Botswana! Why would these people leave their country if they had a non-violent leader? And you have the audacity to say I am "destructive?" Was it I who told Mugabe to burn these people alive in their homes, hunt, stalk and open their bowels in the bushes, murdering them with impunity? For your information Britain will no longer deport those Zimbabweans on account of the continued instability in Zimbabwe, and further, what the bloody hell do I have to do with the British?

Morons like you are oblivious of the consequences of what the inaction of Mugabe, SADC and Zuma are if the GPA is not implemented. For one, the prospect of of a transition leading to free and fair elections are fast receding as this coalition remains unstable and the fight for power by Mugabe remains the destabilizing force. Failure to implement this GPA will see Zimbabwe plunged into a deeper era of repression and lead to a situation where everyone is against everyone and the country continually gripped with fear of violent death for those who oppose Mugabe. All political and economic reforms will be out through the window and the small gains of recovery totally reversed and Zimbabwe will find itself once more with immeasurable hyperinflation levels. The sanctions imposed on Mugabe due to human rights abuses, killing of opposition members, and the chaotic lawless and violent land reform programme, will certainly stay. This time around I do not see MDC supporters taking any bullshit from Mugabe lying down. I see a bloodbath never seen before in Zimbabwe all just because Mugabe is intent on holding to power with a free reign of terror without an opposition to stand up to him. These d-bokk are going to be the results if Mugabe continues the path he is taking. I have said it right here and mark my words, if Mugabe continues the way of noncooperation, what I have said will not only come true but it will be Mugabe's own demise. As I have said it before, with the sanctions riding Mugabe's ass, Mugabe will remain a has- been with no help from anyone but unfortunately ordinary Zimbabweans suffering for his lack of caring as Mugabe knows full well what he has to be - care taker of his people and not a thieving, murderous beast.

No need to get ergi.

You're destructive because your "solution" is to economically strangle Zimbabwe until they do what Britain wants them to do: remove Mugabe from power and give control of the land, and through that, the country, to British people. They're being held hostage. Those grocers in Britain are nothing without control over the land and natural resources of their former colonies.

I've seen and read through your sob-story, it was very touching, but your sensationalist story did not unfold the way you've imagined it to have. The violence that did occur wasn't done by the hand or order of Mugabe and it wasn't done on the scale that you try to make it out to be. Allies of the west have done much worse and gotten away with it, but this isn't really about humanitarianism... its about using an outburst of violence during a turbulent time period as an excuse continue sanctions that were put into place long before this last election. I wouldn't be surprised if the MDC was responsible for much of the violence, it wouldn't be the first time: http://mostlyafrica.blogspot.com/2005/07/zim-mdc-fracturing.html

Then blamed the ZANU-PF. Sure, MDC can win uneven fights in the safety of their own headquarters, but if they took on Zimbabwe as a whole -- they'll fall down on their backs with their legs wide open like they're accustom to doing. Your threats are shallow -- the only way that increased violence will happen is if the British interfere even more than they already are.

D_bokk, there is nothing "ergi" about me I can assure you. You are getting all testy because you I've seen right through you as a Mugabe ass-wipe and one of those fools who have an illusion that the British want to recolonize Zimbabwe, a country that Mugabe has turned into a shit hole. If the British wanted to recolonize Zimbabwe why would Margaret Thatcher and her government broker Zimbabwe's independence? Why would they allow Zimbabwe to be expelled from the Commonwealth through the consensus reached by Obasanjo of Nigeria, John Howard of Australia and Thambo Mbeki of South Africa to do so? Where is your brain? In YOUR "wide open legs?" No one is holding Mugabe hostage. The unity government of Zimbabwe was the brainchild Africa not Britain - of SADC and Thambo Mbeki. In 2008 the leaders of SADC member states witnessed the signing of the power-sharing agreement - the memorandum of understanding - brokered by Mbeki. The executive power would be shared by the president, the prime minister and cabinet. To this day Mugabe has refused to share that executive power to which he signed on the dotted line, giving rise to summit after summit and to this day they have not decided how to divide the ministries as Mugabe remains an ass obstructing the way forward. On the day of signing Mbeki said, "An agreement has been reached on all items on the agenda - they ( Mugabe, Tsvangirai and Mutambra) endorsed the document tonight and signed it." So if Mugabe refuses to abide by the signed document then he is holding himself hostage and unfortunately the people of Zimbabwe as well who cannot move forward until the GPA is implemented. In all this Mugabe chooses to be dysfunctional and the British have nothing to do with how he thinks and acts.You stupid oafs are notorious for blaming others for Mugabe's rotten failures. If Mugabe has an ounce of brain, he must cooperate with Zuma or he is going to find himself with no Tsvangirai coat tails on which to ride but groveling on his own with the country he has put into the sewers.

Well, kjrs, I'm only going by what I see and you're one of the most irritable people on here. You resort to petty insults quicker than anyone, except maybe Zola who likes to start out with insults.

Margaret Thatcher knew that, in the second half of the 20th century, the weaponry was going to level out. There were enough AK-47s floating around that the British's advantage over their colonies was going to disappear and the British didn't have the military might to stop all of them. Which is why they switched from the military control to economic control, where they made their former colonies dependent on them to the point where, if they acted out of place, their infrastructure would collapse due to economic pressures, ie sanctions, embargoes, removal of aid, etc. That's what we're seeing right now, it is what we saw in Cuba who, despite Washington's cowardly embargo, is still resisting these backhanded methods of control.

It's rather humorous that you can go from one post of condemning the SADC to praising them when it fits your argument. And do you mind going over which parts of the GPA you //think// the ZANU-PF isn't abiding by? I suspect its a culmination of not wanting to wait until Roy Bennett's trial is overwith and accusations that Mugabe is personally oppressing MDC with violence. Or possibly an ambiguous accusation that MDC has no power.

And if you've been paying attention, I had referred to the responsibility as shared throughout this debate. I am not placing all the blame on the British, I'm arguing against your claim that Mugabe is the sole man responsible. This is a blatant misrepresentation of what's going on in Zimbabwe, so long as these sanctions remain in place there's no rational argument that the British and Americans have nothing to do with the economic meltdown.

d_bokk, the minute you said " Mugabe hasn't done anything to give the UK the excuse there're looking for in order to colonize Zimbabwe" you lost all credibility with me because its crap. The British are not in the business of colonizing anyone anymore, least of all a country like Zimbabwe that is in a shit hole. Now you insinuate the British give independence only to re subjugate those countries through economic control. "Sanctions, embargoes, removal of aid" to any country is applied to those who through the actions of the leaders are either a threat to world peace or downright brutal dictators and murderers denying their people not only their right to life, but freedoms and human rights which are basic rights to that ALL humans are entitled to. Mugabe deserves everything he's got from the international community and I hope they continue sticking those sanctions on him. I cannot believe that you can think brutal murderers like Mugabe who destroy millions of lives of their people "acted out of place." They committed heinous crimes. Because Mugabe is solely responsible for all the destruction of Zimbabwe only HE can remove his own sanctions. Now in order for you to UNDERSTAND how he can do that , you will have to repeat after me loud and clear as you did in kindergarten:

1. Mugabe must restore the rule of law.

2.He must hold free and fair elections including a free and fair pre election period.

3.He must accept that land reform has to be legal, non violent and transparent in line with previous agreements.

4.He must stop misusing the police and the army for Zanu-PF's own ends.

5. He must uphold democracy with freedoms and human rights for all.

For my part, I heard the sticking points for the MDC were Bennett and Gono.

It's fair that the Bennett enquiry be brought to a conclusion, this is Zimbabwe and not Italy after all.

As for Gono, he's not part of the GPA. The ruling party has adhered to teh GPA, it's MDC-T who continue to play for time and political capital, post agreement.

Selector you are right about some of the MDC sticky points being the Bennett issue and since the communique is part of the GPA, Mugabe's illegal reappointment of Gono and Tomasa. That re appointment should not have been done unilaterally outside of the unity.

kjrs, the Brits recolonized the Caribbean island Turks and Caicos earlier this year because they called the leaders "corrupt." What bothered me most was that no one in DC invoked the Monroe Doctrine to boot those crumpet-eaters back to where they came from. Now the people of Turks and Caicos are up in arms after Britain violated their sovereignty. But what is an island with a population of 36,000 suppose to do when a cowardly nation that has all the guns seizes power? Zimbabwe wont be so easy because they are no push-over, which is why the Brits need their Puppet-in-Chief Tsvangirai.

And you're mistaken, the British didn't give independence to anyone, they had no choice. Unlike the First and Second Matabele wars, the weaponry wasn't lopsided. The Maxim Machine gun wasn't going to save the Brits this time and they had run out of "martial races" to do the fighting for them, dainty and cowardly as the British were/are. The entire goal of Ian Smith was to consolidate control over the country by keeping all the land in the hands of the decedents of the British. And through this control they got everything out of Zimbabwe that they did when they were colonized. That's all these Brits cared about: money. It was all the exploitation with none of the military.

Don't delude yourself into believing the sanctions were put into places because Mugabe "murdered" and "oppressed" people -- you and I know damned well that the sanctions were put into place for one reason alone: Mugabe took the land back from the colonizers. The Brits aren't doing this because it's the humanitarian thing to do, they're doing this because they're losing their last vestige of power in Zimbabwe. And if taking back what's theirs works in Zimbabwe, then who's to stop South Africa from retaking their land? Or the Niger Delta from taking back their oil? Or Latin America nationalizing the foreign corporations that are stealing their natural resources? It's all falling apart for these imperialist, they know it -- which is why they'll do anything to make an example of countries like Zimbabwe and Cuba who dared to stand up.

As far as the GPA goes, I've read your "arguments" before and it wasn't on allAfrica.com, it was on BBC when they spoon-fed all these talking points that have no substance. All of your reasons, one through five, are ambiguous accusations that mean nothing and have nothing to do with what I asked. Since baby kjrs is illiterate, I'll repeat my question: Which part of the GPA is Mugabe disregarding? Instead of spewing BS, try to come up with a legitimate argument this time.

By the way, the land reform was legal... Zimbabwe defines its own laws, not you.

Hey d-bokk you simply do not know what you are talking about. From what I have just read from your post, you know diddly squat and to be more polite, you know Jack shit. First of all, how can the British "recolonize" the Turks and Caicos? Once a dependency of Jamaica, the islands became a Crown colony when Jamaica claimed its independence in the early sixties. They have remained a British overseas territory and NEVER independent. They have full British citizenship status and even though the population speaks a Turks and Caicos dialect, English is the official language. It is because of corruption of the their administration, the then premier Galmo Williams, who was found to be selling land belonging to the Crown to stuff his own pockets and making himself an empire through dishonesty, and scandal of having raped a woman that Britain appointed a special governor to fix up the mess. In fact I hear from a few people who have homes there that they will attain their independence from Britain by 2011.

Now coming to the Monroe Doctrine, there again you are way off. This doctrine was only created TO SERVE AMERICA. It served to inform the EUROPEAN POWERS that America was no longer open to European colonization and any such attempts would be seen as dangerous to America's peace and safety. it has NOTHING to do with America policing other countries. This doctrine was met with great approval by the British giving rise to neutrality of the seas. Oh man, now what else do I have to explain to you? You have been bugging me about which part of the GPA that stupid Mugabe is disregarding. It is obvious to me that you do not even know the outstanding issues to be addressed and you are trying to get them from me. Well tough shit. One thing I can tell you is that if Mugabe has implemented all these issues then there would be no summits of intervention from SADC and Zuma. That only makes sense to those with a brain. As far as murderous Mugabe is concerned, the international community supports leaders that conform to international norms and I cannot engage you if your mind is so closed that you cannot see what the right things are expected of a government towards its people. I gave you 5 points that Mugabe HAS to do before he can have his sanctions removed and there is no getting away from them. You can say all kinds of rubbish but that is what stands and that is what it is. Regarding the legality of Mugabe's land reform policies, the SADC Tribunal Court in Namibia deemed them " racist and illegal" and awarded the 77 or so white farmers compensation for their illegally seizes farms. Later Mugabe was found to be in contempt of court for his lawlessness towards the court. I see that Africa too no longer recognizes Mugabe as anything special. I see Zuma was awarded the Africa's Best President Award and the late First Lady of Nigeria, Stella Obasanjo, honoured with Best First Lady of the year. Kenneth Kaunda urged African leaders to emulate the likes of Nelson Mandela, Jomo Kenyata, Oliver Tambo and Kwame Nkurumah. What happened to Mugabe and his dis Grace? Disgraced disgracefully.

The British weren't running the show in Turks and Caicos a year ago, they were self-ruled until the Brits unilaterally seized power. How do you not see the parallels between Turks and Caicos and Zimbabwe? Both were taking back land that the British stole and, as a result, they became under siege by the British government with trumped up charges. Except unlike Turks and Caicos, Zimbabwe is capable of defending itself and usurping power from the people of Zimbabwe isn't going to be as easy which is why they're using such a backhanded strategy.

The Monroe Doctrine doesn't only cover colonization, it covered all interventionism coming from Europe which includes the toppling of an elected government because they decided to take back "crown" land. The crown can suck it, that crown means nothing to us... so little that I'm not even going to capitalize it. The Brits only went along with the Monroe Doctrine because the Spaniards were on the verge of collapse and it fit with their own self-interests (ie money, like usual). They never expected to lose their status as super power. And in 2009, this doctrine should be applied throughout the world to keep Europe from messing anything else up but DC sold-out and joined in on Europe's excess.

Great cop-out, by the way, you skillfully avoided giving any reason for why Mugabe is not following the GPA. Not because I don't "know" but because you don't have any legitimate reason to make this fallacious claim. What I do know is that Tsvangirai is the one who's breaking the GPA and these summits were brought about because the man-child withdrew from the unity government, not because of Mugabe. You don't have an argument, you never have... all you have is a bunch of talking points that can be applied to nearly all of the West's allies from developing nations. The only time you hippies bring up these "points" is when these allies abandon the unspoken truce of profit-whoring -- then all of a sudden they're evil and need to be overthrown.

Namibia has blocked attempts by the British to stop Zimbabwe from selling their diamonds and the rest of SADC hasn't shown any reason for us to think that they're going to abandon Zimbabwe. That is only wishful thinking on your part... I get this feeling that you dream of Zimbabwe descending into a complete collapse so your pathetic words can be "marked."

By the way, what kind of "man" (or should I say ergi little girl) insults another man's wife? You, ma'am, need to learn the ethos that makes a man, a man.