With Mugabe finally realizing he needs the MDC to survive I wonder if he will still have the temerity demand more concessions? As far as I'm concerned the MDC already conceded too much and the agreement is no longer negotiable. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Mrzyphl;

President Mugabe does not need MDC-T and all its leaders. What is MDC-T after all - a puppet and sellout party that was created by the CIA and MI6 to destabilize our country and effect regime change with money from Westminster Foundation.

A party that has caused so much suffering through Tsvangi's call for sanctions against the people of this country can never be liked by any right thinking Zimbo. We do not need it, the majority of Zimbabweans hate this party and all that it represents and that is why they rejected it on June 27, 2008.

However, we realize that there are some (a minority though they may be) in MDC who are just blind followers, thus, have not put much thought into what kind of monster they are following. These are the people President Mugabe is concerned about.

He wants to unite his people the same way he united them during the liberation struggle when Sithole sold out, when Muzorewa sold out and when Chikerema teamed up with Boers to slow down the pace of liberation.

He wants Zimbabweans to unite in their diversity, to realize that the interests of the country called DZIMBAHWE are more important than individual interests and to seriously interrogate the actions that MDC is taking in trying to make them suffer much longer.

A lot of people are being hoodwinked into believing that Tsvangi and his bunch of sellouts are doing something meaningful when in actual fact they are incompetent and a liability to Zimbabwe.

you may hate MDC but Mugabe knows he cannot do without it, do you think that Mugabe is stupid by taking MDC on board. Please do not insilut the inteligence of our Prsident Cde R.G Mugabe. If you think Zanu has made a mistake by taking MDC on board then if you are man enough and not Mugabe's wife like what Jonathan Moyo once said that most Zanu people are Zanu do not have the spine they are not man enough, they are not AMADHADHA SIBILI, Then why are you being loyal to a party that is making mistakes. The liberation war that we fought is for democracy whereby if one thinks that ALL the political parties are not goo enough you simply go ahead and form your party sell your good ideas and see if we are not going to vote for you if you have something better to offer. Please do not underate yourself Mugabe grew up hearding cattle and he become a teeacher and now president, Morgan was a tea boy, the list is long look at the history of many Presidents they were not borne in royal families Zuma in SA, current Pres of Zambia/Malawi grew up in Matebeleland as a poor boy....... My advice my bro is if you having something better we are prepared to vote for you, your comment shows that you are more intelligent than Mugabe and Tsvangirai you just need to be man enough

Edaniel2009;

"Do you think that Mugabe is stupid by taking MDC on board?” Had you the shreddest of intellect you would have realized that your question is well answered in my piece - re-read before responding to my articles next time because if you don't I will not spare you the laugh this time round.

I am loyal to Zanu-pf because that’s my party, that’s where I belong. I was born and was bred in that revolutionary party. My veins carry more Zanu-pf than blood. What about you?

You say you fought in the liberation war for "democracy". Where, when and how did you fight for this "democracy"? I do not remember fighting for democracy but LAND. Everything else that fell within the liberation terminology, including democracy, freedom and/or one-man-one vote, were all peripheral issues to LAND.

Land was central to our struggle in Zimbabwe. LAND and LAND alone drove Mbuya Nehanda Nyakasikana to take up spears, bows and arrows to fight the invader - Roy Bennet, Eddie Cross, Trude Stevenson, David Coltart and whoever you have in your thick head.

What that means is that we were in different camps opposing each other - you fighting to perpetuate white rule while I fought to free my occupied land. We will, thus, never see things the same way - where you see me as attacking the revolutionary party I am actually strengthening it and where you pretend to like Zanu-pf I see through the veil that YOU ARE A SNAKE trying to enter the house through the back door.

more nonsense from Takunya, dont listen to him. He thinks the CIA invented homosexuality and spread it to africa, and he also thinks that the MDC killed 130 of their own supporters last elections and then blamed in on the ZANU PF to make them look bad.

Clearly he's a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

Have a snap Presidential election using ID's under United Nations supervision to settle this never ending saga once and for all

more nonsense from Tacky.

Takunya everytime you write something it is just the same old thing and at the least just a few different words. Get over it this is saying that Mugabe is being forced to accept the original agreement that SADC negotiated between Mugabe and Tsvangirai. Now SADC will have to hold mugabe and the Zanu-PF to this and if they try not to live up to the agreement they will will abide by the agreement or else.

So be quite with the name calling of anyone with connections with the MDC and blaming them for Zimbabwe's problems because Mugabe and the Zanu-PF have been in charge and so the countries failures is a reflection of bad leadership aka mugabe and Zanu-PF.

You are very quick to say Mugabe and the Zanu-pf are still in charge but at the same time you accuse Tsvangirai and the MDC for the countries problems, so the truth is that you are worried if Mugabe and the Zanu-pf no longer have control of the country then you and other loyal zanu-pf followers will not enjoy the years of stealing and looting from your country and your people.

You need to understand you are not above the law and I am not talking about the Mugabe and the zanu-pf law.

it is good to hear Mugabe has to accept the terms he agreed to but the proof will be when he actually lives by it b/c he has gone back on his word and lied so many times no one trusts him.

Mugabe won't accept anything which lessens the coercive levers that he currently has control over. The best that can be expected of another SADC intervention is that it's leadership will slowly come to the realisation that Mugabe is devious and intransigent. He can ignore all manner of international legal and moral obligations by blaming the "imperialists", but he can't continue to back away from commitments made to SADC leaders without loosing their respect.

Of course the people of Zimbabwe deserve a quicker resolve but the approach by Tsvangurai seems to be slowly isolating Mugabe from his regional support and that is a good thing in my view. Why? Because Mugabe craves recognition and accolades. He's proved not to care a jot about the people of Zimbabwe (including most of the fawning parasites in ZANU-PF) but he does care what other powerful leaders think of him.

As it stands now if Mugabe dies in office there will be blood shed and lots of it. If any election is held and Mugabe runs there will blood shed and lots of it. If Mugabe looses control to the military and/or police/CIO there will be blood shed and lots of it. The only (relatively) bloodless way out for Zimbabwe is for Mugabe to relinquish power in a controlled way, and that is where SADC leaders would play a pivotal role.

ZANU PF are taking chances and taking people of Zimbabwe for granted.We are tired of sickening lies from The Herald.This paper makes us angry coz they think people of Zimbabwe can not think and make their own decisions without George Charamba assisting them.My advice to MDC-T is KEEP ON STARING THE ENEMY IN THE FACE.TINODA KUONA ANOTANGA KUBWAIRA.If Tsvangirai makes the mistake of listening to USELESS sadc its game over for MDC.KANA MUGABE AKATI HAIVHIYIWI MDC MUST also say HAIVHIYIWI!Vana ve Zimbabwe takafa kare.Chauya Chauya!lLet us not let this false sense of peace and prosperity fool us.Why does Mugabe whine about sanctions.Kana tikatukana ini ndokuudza kuti handichadi kutenga madomasi ako uye usasvika kumba kwangu ndiyo sanction?Iwe tsvaga shamwari dzako ku China noku Malasyia ini wondisiya ndega.Wakanganwa pawaiti "to hell with you IMF and to hell with you World Bank."Waionererwa uchiombererwa maoko waiti zvinopera ngepi.Ndomabasa emuromo wenyu Baba Chatungwa.LOOK EAST POLICY yakazoendepi?Tsvangirai ramba wakaluma ipapo ndochaipo.Mbeki and Mothlante misled you.ONCE BEATEN TWICE SHY!Why do you keep on listening to SADC ndovakakuvhotera here!Gore rino MUGABE anototsva ndebvu.Heyo Congress muna December.Hapana chisingaperi mudhara.Vana Banda vakangofa vakaisiya Malawi.Keep on looking East!Chabuda hapana!

Icho as you look east, please could you tell us in English what it is that you are looking at as I am sure a lot of us do not understand you as we do not speak Chishona. It will help avoid straining our necks whilst looking but seeing nothing there.

Takunya what are you on about? You are arguing just for the sake of it and trying to dig your heels on sinking ground. As Mugabe has been fittingly brought down a notch and made to realize by his own African leaders that the January SADC Summit Communique is part of the GPA, it has to be that or nothing. I totally share Mrzyphl's sentiments that no concessions should be made by MDC and the agreement no longer negotiable. Sections 7(vi) and 7 (vii) of the Communique regarding the the appointments of the Reserve Bank Governor, the Attorney General and Provincial governors , are all respectively clearly spelled out in this communique. So the reappointment of Gono and Tomasa and who ever else, was not constitutional and Mugabe can no longer refuse to recognize that fact.

Learn the language. Learn Shona which is a major language of the people whose affairs you love to interfere in. Do it.

Yes.

A few years ago, one could hardly find online a sentence written in Shona, isiZulu, or ..

We can expect to witness the process of localizing the internet accelerate in coming days.

After all, communication online is accomplished in French, Italian, Arabic (!), Spanish, Japanese(!), German, Chinese(1),... and English of the colonial, land-grabbing, native-raping, natrive-murdering, slave-traders...

Akafunde, why then did YOU learn English? Even many of you Zimbabweans do not understand every language spoken in your own country. Hey try me in Sindebele and I will let you have it, but because of common courtesy, let us discuss matters in English as this is not only an English medium but all the reports made on these sites are in English, the common language. Hey if you want to be an asshole and use your vernacular do so, but remember whatever your stupid message is, it will go unheeded and not understood. Your loss. You write garbage anyway.

KRJS120 everyone should know this is a forum in English u just get some arrogant people who want to do they own thing and have it they own way - All africa com can we have intepreters!!!!!!!!!

"let us discuss matters in English "

Ah. The idea is communication. If you don't understand what is going on but those communicating do, then maybe the discussion is not for you. Just like the Americans have their version of language they call American English ... and the Japanese understand one another well, thank you.

"as this is not only an English medium"

What is?

" but all the reports made on these sites are in English, .."

So? Do you insist that the French cannot read an article in Spanish (which pretends to be expert on all that is French) and then discuss it in their own French lingo?

Why does this site have reports on Africa written in English? Shouldn't the duplicitous rapacious phonies be reporting on their UK?

[The crappy, murderous imperial monarchist zombies! Why do Africans even tolerate their cursed, slave-trader English?]

OK.

So, this site is on Africa and the topics and threads are particular to the local situation. It is expected that at some point, the discussion becomes detailed, localized and particular to the current and historical experience of the people of Zimbabwe. Perhaps some intelligence is communicated in code words that are intended to be understood in a particular manner by those to whom the communication is targeted.

[For instance, as one pursues certain topics in philosophy at an English institution of learning, one finds that certain concepts are best communicated using certain German words - and that some familiarity with the German language and culture helps greatly ..]

Why would anyone complain if at some point in the discussion a local African dialect - and those involved in the discussion beyond that point of divergence are intimately familiar with, and can contribute to, the nuances to be communicated by the Africans?

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Perhaps the use of Zimbabwe's dialects is telling you something, wide guy. Why should the native struggle to communicate in your mother tongue if their mother tongue - local dialect - can be used more efficiently for their purpose?

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Would you resent the use of English on a French site that purports to present reports and current news on England? [Well, you may ask, why would such a site exist and why would any patriotic English subscribe to it - other that to gather intelligence on what the enemy is looking at?

:-) we are slowly chopping away at that impertinence - that tyranny of language - on the part of those land-grabbing, native-raping, native-killing supremacist whites.]

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Chokora you know exactly what I mean by my asking for common courtesy in the use of English on this forum. You are trying your level best to be an arsehole about it and you are succeeding very well. There are at least 60 different African countries that are having access to allAfrica.com right now. Each and every one of these countries has hundreds of different tribes and dialects, each dialect as important to the speakers of it as is to those who speak the others. Now you tell me, whose dialect will be understood by all the 60 African countries because all 60 countries are able to read, speak it and correspond with it?

Just to correct myself....should be correspond in it....and regarding the " 60 African countries," that included regions.

"African dialect ... will be understood .... because all 60 countries are able to read, speak it and correspond with it"

Child of little understanding ... [and a crappy supremacist ..]

What dialect or language is understood BY ALL people in "all 60 countries"?

[What language is understood by all in the EU countries?]

Ya chokora, trying to act all stupid, whose dialect are you going to choose as a means of discussion right here on allAfrica . com, that everyone can understand? Is that clear enough? Dumb ass.

OK, Mr. no-bumb-ass, you still have not answered the question that should have been easier for you: What language or dialect is understood by all in your esteemed Europe?

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Maybe the Europe is too large a land mass for one to expect to find commonality. Yet Africa is several times larger ... So, here is still an easier one for you: What dialect is understood by all in UK?

[In case you are not aware, there are many in the occupied lands of the scots and welsh who don't speak a language spoken by the yahoos in Newcastle. Talking about dialects: In fact in England there are several dialects spoken ....]

Chokora for heaven's sake and for the umpteenth time, I am NOT TALKING ABOUT WORLD COMMUNICATION. I NEVER DID. I am and have been TALKING ABOUT COURTESY HERE ON THIS ALLAFRICA . COM. You are one dumb exasperating arsehole that just wants to see a small and reasonable request protracted to all sorts of stupid arguments. You are just too thick - really stupid and I've had it re- explaining something so simple, so just piss off.

" ..(Cde Mugabe).. was on Friday forced to accept the January Sadc Summit Comm .."

"forced"? Western media riffraf and their local lackeys may be unaware that Cde Mugabe kicked colonial behinds onto the trash heap.

"Major .. Climb Down"

Let us help you to understand .... AGAIN

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Here are some case studies for you. Can you discern the common theme?

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Imperialism, Duplicity and Democracy 102

Case 1:

Elections are held. The incumbent is declared the winner. The west's observers declare the elections fraudulent. The USA-EU-UK axis of bloody duplicity decrees that the elections were "free and fair elections". That there will be no recount (since the extent of the fraud would be exposed) and no re-election (which the West's unpopular incumbent cannot win.) The incumbent declares a win for himself (and his masters.) No killer sanctions are imposed on the country and all lived (un)happily ever after. [Kenya]

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Case 2:

Elections are held. The incumbent is the winner. The West's Observers declare the elections free and fair. The USA-EU-UK axis of duplicity decrees that the elections were fraudulent. The West rejects any recount that is not favorable to its boy. The West denounces the re-election which its unpopular boy - the perennial loser - wouldn't win. The West's stooge boycotts the re-run and the incumbent is declared the winner. No debilitating sanctions are imposed on the country and all lived (un)happily ever after.

The West - that parades 'democracy', 'free and fair elections' and 'rule of law' and a respect for the sovereignty of other countries - declares war on the country by imposing debilitating economic sanctions that starve and kill multitudes of kids and the parents (who are perceived by the West to be guilty (and "terrorist"?) by virtue of having freely exercised their right to vote for a candidate of their preference.) [Zimbabwe]

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Case 3:

Elections are held. The incumbent is the winner. The West's observers declare the elections fraudulent. A recount is called. Widespread fraud by the incumbent's team is exposed. A re-election is called. Under pressure, the challenger boycotts the re-election and the west's incumbent is declared the winner. No debilitating sanctions are imposed on the country and all lived (un)happily ever after. [Afghanistan]

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Case 4:

Elections are held. The incumbent is the winner. The West's Observers declare the elections free and fair. The USA-EU-UK axis of duplicity decrees that the elections were fraudulent and calls for a re-count and a re-election. A re-count does not show cause for concern regarding the integrity of the vote and the declaration of the incumbent as the winner. The West does not denounce- and indeed provide succor and comfort to - the anti-social riffraff who would cause mayhem and loss of life in the country. The people swear in their popular incumbent leader the The West - that parades 'democracy', 'free and fair elections' and 'rule of law' and a respect for the sovereignty of other countries - ponders a campaign of killer sanctions, destabilization and bombings/slaughter of the people(who are now perceived by the West to be guilty (and "terrorist"?) by virtue of having exercised their right to vote their preference.) [Iran]

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chokora no one cares about what the herald has to say b/c we all know what propaganda they are spreading. So you can stop cutting and pasting biased articles that only come from Mugabe and his Zanu-PF cronies think!

? Where do your "cut and paste" articles come from - BBC?

chokora is that all you can say I use my own word unlike you so I do not need a page or 5 pages to communicate the truth but a few words can do that alone. So if your long pages you copy and paste make you think your post is more credible sorry most people do not read past the first paragraph that you write and already know you are lying.

" ..I use my own word .."

We don't doubt i. Now, try to use the words that carry reason we can debate.

About that "my own word". Which one is your own?

[Junior, you are not ready for a discussion with adults.] ..]