Kinshasa — The two-day bilateral 'Four plus Four' meeting between Rwanda and the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) held over the weekend in Kinshasa, has recommended a Heads of State Summit between President Paul Kagame and his Congolese counterpart Joseph Kabila.
The two countries' Foreign Affairs Ministers confirmed this to The New Times adding that they also recommended that the respective Justice Ministers meet to give the framework legal advice on Gen. Laurent Nkunda's transfer to the DRC.
"The two parties recommended a meeting at the level of the Heads of State to consolidate the achievements of the ongoing bilateral talks between the two countries," DRC's Col. Augustin Mamba read from a joint communiqué.
Rwanda's Rosemary Museminali and her Congolese counterpart, Alexis Thambwe Mwamba, also told reporters that the meeting had observed legal complexities between DRC and Rwanda over Nkunda's transfer.
Subsequently, they proposed the involvement of their respective Justice Ministers for legal advice.
"We realize that there are some legal complexities but indeed, this should not deter us from continuing what we had agreed and, as our Ministers meet and help us to resolve these issues, then we should progress even on this," Museminali noted, reiterating that Rwanda is in principle committed to returning Nkunda to DRC.
"We believe that if we have been able to tackle other complexities, this part is only a small component in problems and we should be able to tackle it and move forward," she said.
"We recognize that we have had significant movements on major problems that concern our countries," he noted.
He said that the meeting decided, in order to resolve the questions that crop up over the judicial process, the two justice ministers are going to meet in days to come, either in Kinshasa or Kigali to manage the issue.
The sessions held at the Congolese Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Kinshasa started Friday evening, with the first session running late into the night.
This latest session was a follow up of several others held in different parts of both countries, including - Kinshasa, Kigali, Goma and Rubavu.
High on agenda was consolidation of the recent successes on the war against the Democratic Forces for the Liberation Rwanda (FDLR) in the Eastern DRC.
The two parties stressed the need to pursue FDLR or ex-FAR/Interahamwe wherever they are and called for support from the international community to impose sanctions on the leaders of ex-FAR/Interahamwe still at large worldwide.
Also in the picture is setting up a permanent joint sub-commission on defence and security to exchange information and act on security matters of common interest.
Mwamba stressed this would help sustain the achievements of the recent Rwanda-DRC military operations against FDLR, operations of which North Kivu Governor Julien Paluku insisted were gaining momentum, especially given persistent mobilization of the masses.
Optimism too was emphasized by former Umoja Wetu commander, Gen. John Numbi, in an interview with Rwandan journalists covering the meeting.
He stressed that FDLR cannot fully regenerate for two major principles of war.
First, he maintained, one cannot wage war without the support of the population and, secondly, without political support.
"Yesterday, the FDLR benefited from the collusion with the population. Today, the population has a firm word and, is strict that they must return to Rwanda."
"We won't even allow them room to breath. They survived on the timber they exploited and now we can't allow them to do so. They lived on the mines but we prevent them from exploiting our gold or iron ore and they are in difficulty. How then can they survive without medication water or even food?"
The immediate exchange of Ambassadors, in view of advancing diplomatic relations, was again echoed but no date was given.
"It is difficult to give a precise date because the process of nominating Ambassadors doesn't concern only Foreign Affairs ministers. These ones (ministers) propose but after that there is the Head of State, because the Ambassadors represent their countries but also represent the Head of State who must decide on the person designated," Mwamba said.
Also discussed was the common border and, it was agreed that experts will meet starting April 16 to 18 to review the situation and provide recommendations on the way forward.
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There is no need of meetings between DRCongo and Rwanda as long as Kabila and Kagame are still presidents. You can call them meeting, summit or what so ever...but they can only be detrimental to the Congolese population. President Kabila is just a piece in a game controlled by president Kagame. He is determined to destroy the DRCongo's think tank, resources and future projects. He is putting into action all ideas, policies and ideologies conceived by his master Paul Kagame, but this is getting to the end. The DRCongo's population misery will be resolved soon and the Central Afican political machine of Kabila-Kagame-Museveni will be pounded. US new government is so powerful that evil leaders will be seeking for exit very soon. Meanwhile our hope to the Lord almighty remains alive and really active to destroy mountains. Jesus Christ the saviour will be answering our prayers and the evil one will vanish. Amen!
But you never cease to surprise me guys the day i get to read about your "thoughts" like this of Albert,what do you call congolese think-tank,resources and future projects in the first place?what would peace look like on your eyes my friend? harbouring the genociders in congo,and continue supporting them kill Innocents of Tutsi congolese,rape them,confiscate their properties,look here we're trying too be practical on the issue,is that what you would call peace and prosperity on part of congolese governement?now you feel let down because Kabila has noticed the danger that would contribute to his people and decided to seek peace and harmony in the region by handing militias over to Rwanda hence calling him a puppet? can't you have a sense of morality in your assesments? where does this link with the so called resources and future projects of congo?in anycase Kagame is doing alot of which i don't think he should have been doing to bring and show congolese the way to prosperity since some of them have no eyes to se them.guys stop the extremism coz you will never again get a way with it,The US and the intire world is not blind like you to not see positive achievements in the region which i think any fool can see
The summit will be fruitless because nothing genuine will come out for the interest of Congolese and Genuine Rwadan victims and i am very surprised that our Tutshi brothers are so blind and still not able to know who is the main genocider from Rwanda which is Kagame. he caused, manipulated, managed it and his own people. Incited the killing his own fellow tutshi - Rwandans are still calling their own brothers hutu genociders just to show you how much you hate each other and divided and will never be able to live beside each other in harmony as other people in the world but victims are Congolese population in general undicriminating of tribes and origins. 6 millions people died in Congo and keep dying because Kagame greediness of power and you as Rwandan supporting kagame policy because you blindeness or lack of education and information also praising him or lack of respect of fellow human being. Kagame is the worst thing or human being ever happen in Africa for African after slavery. just like Hitler in Europe. also Museveni is other one. Kagame is worst than Mobutu, Idim Amin and Bokassa all put together and their crimes. The day you will wake up may be the day you direct family member will be his victim. Poweless you will be, get the example of Zaire and Mobutu as one of the most powerfull in Africa with a very good army, Mugabe as one of africa hero turned to worst dictator. These two countries are destroyed because of their presidents, blind acolytes and supporters. Now the west has created Kagame to replace the named presidents so you as Rwanda should expect the same consequences when Kagame will not be wanted by partners in Europe and America like was the case of Mobutu and Mugabe to name few. African will never learn when exploitation change the strategy.
You and Congolese should help each other to get rid of dinausors like Kagame. Museveni and Kabila because what happening in Central Africa will never hapen in another part of the world expect in africa mostly in black Africa. People like you will be jumping in support of any monster that take power in Rwanda or Congo just because he build few roads, hospitals, prisons or others but you never know how much going to their pocket. You can not build stability, regional peace in killing and dividing people of the same countries and continent. I hope that you may have a chance to taste freedom and posperties when you see how a German, French, English, Italian help each other in their respective countries but this will not happen to African because of people with mind like Kagame, Kabila and youself as a blind supportes.
Thank you and i hope can learn something today.
The summit will be fruitless because nothing genuine will come out for the interest of Congolese and Genuine Rwadan victims and i am very surprised that our Tutshi brothers are so blind and still not able to know who is the main genocider from Rwanda which is Kagame. he caused, manipulated, managed it and his own people. Incited the killing his own fellow tutshi - Rwandans are still calling their own brothers hutu genociders just to show you how much you hate each other and divided and will never be able to live beside each other in harmony as other people in the world but victims are Congolese population in general undicriminating of tribes and origins. 6 millions people died in Congo and keep dying because Kagame greediness of power and you as Rwandan supporting kagame policy because you blindeness or lack of education and information also praising him or lack of respect of fellow human being. Kagame is the worst thing or human being ever happen in Africa for African after slavery. just like Hitler in Europe. also Museveni is other one. Kagame is worst than Mobutu, Idim Amin and Bokassa all put together and their crimes. The day you will wake up may be the day you direct family member will be his victim. Poweless you will be, get the example of Zaire and Mobutu as one of the most powerfull in Africa with a very good army, Mugabe as one of africa hero turned to worst dictator. These two countries are destroyed because of their presidents, blind acolytes and supporters. Now the west has created Kagame to replace the named presidents so you as Rwanda should expect the same consequences when Kagame will not be wanted by partners in Europe and America like was the case of Mobutu and Mugabe to name few. African will never learn when exploitation change the strategy.
You and Congolese should help each other to get rid of dinausors like Kagame. Museveni and Kabila because what happening in Central Africa will never hapen in another part of the world expect in africa mostly in black Africa. People like you will be jumping in support of any monster that take power in Rwanda or Congo just because he build few roads, hospitals, prisons or others but you never know how much going to their pocket. You can not build stability, regional peace in killing and dividing people of the same countries and continent. I hope that you may have a chance to taste freedom and posperties when you see how a German, French, English, Italian help each other in their respective countries but this will not happen to African because of people with mind like Kagame, Kabila and youself as a blind supportes.
Thank you and i hope can learn something today.
Only a Tutsi and a Rwandese benefiting from DRCongo will attack my comments. Can you,please seek salvation elsewhere than in DRCongo? Your bigger plot to destroy, kill, rape, ransack, loot and massacre is fading. Having killed more than 6,000,000 Congolese to proclame economic boom is a fact that will be forgotten easily. While overlooking DRCongo people and thinking that "think tank" is inexistant is the biggest mistake. Actually those who supported you, while light weight, to invade and control the heavy weight are first responsible for "World Economic Down Turn" because they didn't know how things work. Their know-how was only madness. They now leave you in position of "gangster" to seek evil techniques, lies and frustration to remain in the challenge. Think ahead because those who are entertaining you are powerless and mortal like everyone. I have avoided political debate in this comment because I have understood that without DRCongo business you do not have an alternative for future plan. Let see in a little time to come how you will get your remuneration. Seek wisdom before it is too late.