Time is up for Robert Mugabe. Everybody knows when their time has come, so he he must be aware that his time is now. If he wants to be remembered well as the founder of his beloved nation, he must go now and let other people take the responsibility of sorting out the terrible mess the country is in.

Regarding Zimbabwe, Mugabe, cholera, and nearly anything else you can say about the country; who cares? Who is to say anything negative about this situation when most African countries approve of what's going on. When SA, SADC, and the AU say everything is OK. Mugabe was absolutely correct the other day when he said that African leaders were afraid of him, that they couldn't stand up to him. African leaders don't have the backbone to stand up to Mugabe. Lets be realistic, I don't live in Africa, what happens in Zimbabwe has little or no affect on me. Thousands of African dying from easily preventable cholera is not a threat to me. That people in Zimbabwe can't buy food again has no affect on me, I can buy all the food I can eat. But for the people of Zimbabwe there is absolutely nothing I can do that will make any difference. Perhaps you might say that I not that nice a person. In the end who is worse, me or the African leadership? I can't to anything to help, African leadership won't do anything to help!

What a big headed loud mouthed Mugabe is for a man of his age and supposedly education

We don't give a rat's tail what the REACTION 'thinks.'

Cheers from the City of HUNTERS WITHOUT A COUGH, HARARE

"J-hollow............let's come out to play"............

If you want to argue, let's argue facts! Despite the fake words you use in your posts, you never seem to find the room in them to post FACTS!

As I posted previously, J-hollow answers a post with name-calling, he never actually gets around to disputing the actual FACTS when it comes to Zimbabwe, does he, he just goes on spouting his invective or hatred to any poster who accuses ZANU-PF/Mugabe of malfeasance..........

J-hollow - like the other defenders of the ZANU-PF/Mugabe regime cannot actually explain the factual shortcomings of the government of ZANU-PF/Mugabe! If anyone posts here suggesting a new era or "different path" in Zimbabwe (according to people like J-hollow), we must be "Rhoadies" or otherwise racist.........

Now once again J-hollow (for your posts are as empty as your intellect): Answer all of us how the "reign" of ZANU-PF/Mugabe has been good for Zimbabwe!

FACT: Life expectancy in Zimbabwe is lower now under the "stewardship" of ZANU-PF than it was under the racist regime of Ian Smith!

FACT: Schools are now closed, no children in ZImbabwe are being properly educated. Under the racist regime of Iam Smith, the schools remained open! Even Comrade Bob was able to continue his studies while in prison!

FACT: Zimbabwe is suffering from an epidemic of cholera, which is an easily treatable disease throughout the rest of the world - what is ZANU-PF/Mugabe's excuse? Didn't Comrade Bob say "We have arrested cholera in Zimbabwe"? If only ZANU-PF "arrested cholera as well as he "arrested" his political opponents......

FACT: Under the racist regime of Ian Smith, Hospitals were open and provided treatment to ALL Zimbabweans! FACT: Zimbabwe is suffering under unimagineable inflation! Inflation runs so rampant that bank's computers cannot keep up with it! Didn't "Comrade" Gono lop off 9 or 10 zeroes of the national currency only several months ago? So, logically, doesn't Zimbabwe's current currency represent "18" zeroes? Yet "Comrade" Gono continues to print money?

FACT: You have begun to characterize the actions of ZANU-PF/Mugabe on these boards as "WE" (just like TAK did). Once again, I thank you for "outing" yourself as a ZANU-PF troll on this board. I did not have to do it, you have done it yourself!

Again, I would ask the rest of us here that look forward to a future Zimbabwe without cretins like J-hollow to ignore posters like him - he is clearly a CIO or JOC troll on this board!

For the rest of us - I am not a supporter of either faction of MDC. I am not a Zimbabwean, and I have never been to Zimbabwe! I have no ancestors here in the U.S. who ever held or profited by slavery (my family came to the U.S. in the 1890's). I hold NO investments related to financial dealings in Zimbabwe and have instructed my broker to make sure my investments do not include a Zimbabwean-exposed company - as ALL of my family has instructed their brokers!

I have "no dog in this hunt" meaning I am simply an uninterested American who sees injustice for what it is! Don't even try the "Iraq" argument with me because I opposed the war to begin with AND there have been fewer deaths in Iraq under occupation then there were under Saddam Hussein's regime (see mass graves!)! Just like as was the case with the end of apartheid, concerned citizens the world over can (and should!) denounce injustice wherever it rears it's ugly head. Simply because we oppose the brutal regime of ZANU-PF/Mugabe does NOT make us racists, colonizers or "Rhoadies"!

ZANU-PF/Mugabe is an organzation (NOT a Government) that took it's mantle as a liberation party and turned it into a yoke for ALL Zimbabweans to labor under. The truth of the matter is in the FACTS J-hollow, not that you ever come close to using FACTS in your posts!

I argue that the future of Zimbabwe requires a government that actually improves the daily lives of ALL Zimbabweans - even those who have sworn allegience to and profited by the government of ZANU-PF/Mugabe! Unlike the daily yelps from the Herald about the "government doing this" and the "government doing that", what have they actually DONE to improve the lives of the people of Zimbabwe? Answer? NOTHING!

People like J-hollow fill their posts with invective and seek to denounce their opponents as "Rhoadies" and racists. I am neither, I will not allow these boards to be cluttered with hate and ignorance. When I post, I post FACTS!

J-hollow does neither of these things. He never posts about the "great" accomplishments of the "great fighter" (small G, small F) because ZANU-PF/Mugabe has actually accomplished nothing great. They did not "liberate" Zimbabwe - PF-ZAPU had something to do with that! Aside from that, they have presided over a decline in living standards, life expectancy, education and healthcare - what sort of bill of indictment do you need to reach people like J-hollow?

The FACTS are J-hollow: 85% Unemployment; 231 MILLION per cent inflation (unofficially it is "quadrillions"); 30% of the population has left the country; Schools are closed for lack of instructors AND lack of clean drinkng water; Hospitals are closed for lack of supplies & wages; the Police arrest people and then deny they have arrested them - then, when they are confronted with that lie, they then make up another.

J-hollow: You did not respond in your post to a single accusation I made in my post as an indictment of ZANU-PF/Mugabe's "stewardship" of Zimbabwe in the post-liberation era.

Your supposedly "superior intellect" is perhaps confused when confronted with FACTS? You make up words as if your English correspondence course required you to make up words for a vocabulary test! I don't need a spelling or grammar lessons from an imbicile like you!

I deal with FACTS! I have never seen one of your posts ever attempt to defend the actual FACTUAL record of ZANU-PF/Mugabe because you can't!

Let's hope, that when the final blow falls, you will either be out of the country (as I suspect you already are) or you will be shown true mercy, as befits Zimbabwe, by not putting your back against the wall with Comrade Bob himself!

In a battle of ideals, the FACTS always win out - despite the errors in spelling and grammar. The FACTS say that ZANU-PF/Mugabe has FAILED to provide the people of Zimbabwe with it's proper standard of living, Education, healthcare, clean water, rule of law, free press, free elections, etc.. Any aimless rhetorical flourishes you add to the conversation are a mere distraction from the FACT of what ZANU-PF/Mugabe has caused the current Zimbabwe to become!

I argue about FACTS! You just wallow in the mud and muck of name-calling like a pig in mud! In the end, the truth always prevails! Someone like J-hollow always ends up like a Goebbels, a Molotov or Beria, a "Chemical Ali" or "Bagdad Bob", an Erick Honnecker or Nicholas Ceaucesceu! I argue with the truth of facts! All you ever do is call people names! You must be one of those whose backs are truly "up against the wall"!

If you want to argue facts, then let's argue facts! If you want to hide behind fake obscure words accusing your opponents, then you have shown yourself to be the coward we all think you to be!

Salutorious greetings from the cholera-free, schools-are-open, hospitals-are-staffed, we-just-elected-a-black-man-president, currency-is-not-worthless, press-is-free-to-insult-the-Government, inflation-is-only-3-4%, 30% of-our-population-has-not-left-the-country, elections-are-free-and-fair, nation of the United States!

"Total Empowerment!" - how free do you (Zimbabwe) really feel?

J-hollow: How empty do you feel? Answer me with FACTS, not abuse.................

"30% of your population have not left your country, USA" ... you say. Actually you are a European. You moved to the USA to take advantage of the infra structure built on the backs of the millions of Africans enslaved and turned into beasts of burden by you Europeans....not to mention the slaughter of native Americans. In the early 1980s l lived in the USA and l moved a lot around rural areas and small towns of the country, what surprised me was the psychological damage that had , and is being still,inflicted on American Africans. I accompanied on visits by people who had incarcerated relations in USA prisons, what strike me was the high proportion of American Africans in jails ..can you explain why this so .. as well as the fact that lots of American Africas have been and are on death row. Please dont turn your patronising attitude into an insult .. did you ever lived in Rhodesia as an African. NO! So you do not know what you are talking about. Please move to other issues like the millions of Iraqs who have been slaughtered, displaced and have their lives turned upside down by America. Are you serious when you praise Bush and his mafia operations in Iraq? Would you love some one who sends Cruise missilles and use scatter bomblets on your villages. You would not!!! So why do you think you were doing Iraqs a favour by slaughtering whole villages in the name of "democracy" ... another name for USA imperialism??? Think of the millions of westerners who have become filthy rich from Iraq oil etc. Before l went to USA l thought that no American has human feelings and l was surprised to see people in a white church, where l was a guest, crying on hearing that aUSA jumbo jet had been shot down over Korea or somewhere in the far east. I couldnt believe my eyes. I grew up with pictures of USA carpet bombings in Vietnam, Laos and Kampuchea. Thank goodness there are still USA citizens who still have feelings and would not their collection of germs to gain advantage over the rest of the world.

J-hollow: This is "New Year's" so I should be more magnanimous.......but I resolve to take the folllowing actions: I've thought about it some more and I've decided (as a New Year's resolution):

Tomorrow I will wake, and I will gather the local paper that sees fit to insult the President-elect Obama. or George W. Bush.

I will sit on my toilet and read the paper (which is NOT. published by the government!)...... when I am done, I will flush the toilet, and it will work! I will not worry whether this action causes thousands to contend wih my effluent.....

I will turn on the tap in my bathroom and recieve clean/pure drinking water out of my tap.........

I will take my children to school, where the teachers are paid, and the instruction is free......... and the drinking water is clean!

I will call my doctor, and will schedule an appointment after which I can be provided with any medications I require........... AND I will NOT be required to pay the bill in foreign currency.....

I will call myCongressman/woman to register my comlpaints as to the current state of service delivery (i.e. clean water, sanitation, education and healthcare)......

I will register my complaints with non-governmental institutions like Justine Mukoku's, I will not lay awake at night wondering if the CIO or JOC has recorded my address or might come in the night to arrest me for "seditious conduct"..........

I will go to the bank, or the supermarket, where they allow me free access of my saving via electronic bank-transfer........ No lines, just the inconvenience of pnching in my PIN code.... all of my money, available at the touch of a button....

I will go to the market, where the prices have not changed for some 2 years, to purchase my groceries........ I will find bread, beef, pork, lamb, and chicken for sale at much the same prices as were available several years ago

Is ANY of this beyond the abilities of ZANU-PF/Mugabe to provide their citizens? I would hope not, but the TRUTH is a far more bitter pill to swallow......

ZANU-PF/Mugabe can provide NONE of these coveniences to their people! It is a sign of their abject failure to provide for the people of Zimbabwe!

If you want to criticize me, come at me with FACTS! For the rest of us, we are DONE with you! You defend the indefensible! You make excuses for the inexcusable!

You, like your ZANU-PF subscribers only hear the truth when it is the truth you want to hear! Zimbabwe is in collapse, and it is the fault of ZANU-PF/Mugabe that Zimbabwe has come to it's current state!

When you want to argue FACTS, you know where to find me............If you want to continue to spout your Stalinist-hate filled drivel, I will combat you. The Nazi's sarcastically posted above the gates to the concentraton camps "work shall set you free", but here on these boards, the "truth shall set YOU free" (unless you are a ZANU-PF capo............)

Cheers from the cholera-free, schools-are-open, hospitals-are-staffed, we-just-elected-a-black-man-president, currency-is-not-worthless, press-is-free-to-insult-the-Government, inflation-is-only-3-4%, 30% of-our-population-has-not-left-the-country, elections-are-free-and-fair, nation of the United States!

"Total Empowerment!" to starve, be beaten, tortured, or murdered under the regime of ZANU-PF/Mugabe